Develop Bugs

Battery charging BUG

Hi every one,
As far i know, there is a BUG on every official ROM for European GSM Touch Pro2.
When your battery get full charged and keeping it plugged to the wallcharger, then your Pro2 start taking the power from your battery and NOT from the charger.
This can be checked by yourself and you will see that even with it connected, the battery in running down charge, till you unplug it and plug it again after some minutes/seconds.

Yeah, I have noticed it as well. Anyone have a solution?

Not a bug. LiPoly's do not like being trickle charged, therefore the charger turns off.
I have not verified it on the TP2 but I suspect that if you let it sit long enough the battery level would drop to some level and the charger would charge it back to 100%.

This is a rather good new if it can manage battery loads cycles...

khaytsus said:
Not a bug. LiPoly's do not like being trickle charged, therefore the charger turns off.
I have not verified it on the TP2 but I suspect that if you let it sit long enough the battery level would drop to some level and the charger would charge it back to 100%.
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It oughta turn the charger off and run the device from the mains, though, not from the battery. Is it doing that?

godefroi said:
It oughta turn the charger off and run the device from the mains, though, not from the battery. Is it doing that?
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No it is NOT doing that, so to me it is a BUG.

just thought i would add this
for some reason on saturday i charged my phone via usb/pc and it lasted less than 24 hrs
so on sunday i drained it and charged it vis the plug
its still going noe
72 hrs 23 mins in stanby 30 mins talk and 4 hrs 7 mins use since 17.43 on 18/10/09
is never been this good so i thought it may be the new rom

http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-21.htm
Lithium-ion
(Li-ion)
Do charge the battery often. The battery lasts longer with partial rather than full discharges.
Do not use if pack gets hot during charge. Check also charger.
Charge methods: Constant voltage to 4.20V/cell (typical). No trickle-charge when full. Li-ion may remain in the charger (no memory). Battery must remain cool. No fast-charge possible.
Rapid charge = 3h
also i have read some where on xda that once it reaches 100% it'll stop charging

godefroi said:
It oughta turn the charger off and run the device from the mains, though, not from the battery. Is it doing that?
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You know of any other modern phone that runs off the mains without the battery? None of my last three phones would without the battery.

khaytsus said:
You know of any other modern phone that runs off the mains without the battery? None of my last three phones would without the battery.
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My Kaiser will. It turns off when you pull the battery, but you can turn it right back on.

Every one is talking about battery and it's components but no one speaks about that with charger pluged in, it should supply power and by pass the battery once it is fully charged like others models do.

sounds like you all need to do warranty exchanges for that lol

Tallpap said:
sounds like you all need to do warranty exchanges for that lol
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No, what we need is that HTC do what we paid for.

User22 said:
Every one is talking about battery and it's components but no one speaks about that with charger pluged in, it should supply power and by pass the battery once it is fully charged like others models do.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=571606 some people here probably would help
xnifex said:
it's true, once the TP2 hits 100% it stops charging the battery & the usage time will kick in.
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and on this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=573037&page=4 which a guy says
mattdoyal said:
Just tried my TP2 without the battery and plugged, didn't power on. Why would they take away the ability to power on while plugged in but with the battery removed?? This was and would be a great troubleshooting step. Hey HTC, start building our phones with this option!!
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i hope this helps

Have in mind that once the battery is fully charged, it never go to charge again till you unplug the cable of your wall/car charger... so what will hapen then???

hello anyone know about the issue with the battery ok when i charge my euro tp2 all night and when i go to start>settings>all settings>system>power i then click on the infomation tab and under last full charge i get "not applicable" and get 0 hours and 0minute for the rest
im running the offical htc 6.5 rom

To me this sounds CRAZY. So people are saying that when the device is fully charged it starts to use its battery, thats just crazy... So basically charging it overnight leaves you with "almost" full battery in the morning...
I havent noticed anything out of the ordinary, and every morning when I come and take my device from the charger the charging light is green (opposed to the orange when started charging) and the battery shows to be 100% full.
I will check this again in the morning as I havent really paid 10000% attention to it, but I think I would have noticed the weird behaviour…

noticed this since day 1. my dash didnt do this. i did notice that a soft reset will resume the charge.

This is normal behavior for battery powered devices.
When it's plugged in, the charge circuit charges the battery.
The device itself always runs off the battery when it's available, this is why some devices won't power on without the battery installed, and many devices won't power on with a failed battery installed.
Laptops do the same thing, though they can switch to AC only without losing their state.
It's a holdover I think from when electronics couldn't switch between power sources fast enough to not lose anything (I remember the original game boy would reset no matter what if you tried to switch between batt and AC). It's possible that cell phones can't make this transition since there isn't really extra space to stuff in the bits that allow this (some large-ish caps).
I've also heard that this reduces wear on the electronics, because the voltage is more reliable, but I've never seen that documented.

kay7 said:
The device itself always runs off the battery when it's available, this is why some devices won't power on without the battery installed, and many devices won't power on with a failed battery installed.
Laptops do the same thing, though they can switch to AC only without losing their state.
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I don't think this is true for (modern) laptops. All the macbooks and thinkpads that I've owned had a feature that if you plug it in while the battery is above X% (usually around 96) it will not charge. It even gives a message saying "Not Charging" in the battery status. The battery percentage then stays constant no matter how long I use the laptop, so it is not DIScharging either. Therefore it must be running from AC. If it can do that, I doubt they would have it run off the battery as soon as it is charged to 100% on a full charge cycle. I think any time AC is plugged in, a modern laptop will run from AC rather than battery, regardless of whether it is currently charging the battery. However, that's just my theory from personal observations.

[HOWTO] Battery meter accuracy

I noticed something about the battery meter.
If you power on your phone when the charger is plugged in, the battery meter shows a higher value.
If you power on your phone when no charger is connected, the battery meter shows a lower value.
And these values stay for as long as your phone is not rebooted. My guess is, the value without charger plugged in (lower value) is more accurate.
So, if you want to make your battery meter more accurate, try this:
- Disconnect your phone from the charger
- Power off the phone
- Power on the phone again (phone must be disconnected from charger)
- After phone has booted into Android, plug the phone into USB/charger to charge it again
If you could try this out and see if the observation is always true, then maybe we should make this procedure standard to get a more accurate battery meter reading.

So this may have caused the fact that my phone keeps telling me, while charging, the battery is fully charged however it says 95% as soons as its unplugged

Power off the phone and connect charger while it's off, wait for the 100% sign on the fully green battery, then unplug the cord and connect it again, you can do this a couple of times. And resetting the battery stats should also help in some way.

opica said:
Power off the phone and connect charger while it's off, wait for the 100% sign on the fully green battery, then unplug the cord and connect it again, you can do this a couple of times. And resetting the battery stats should also help in some way.
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What I'm suggesting is a bit different.
Power off phone.
Power on phone again, without plugging anything in.
After phone has booted, plug in charger.
EDIT: I notice this difference in battery meter reading tends to happen only with the *real* charger, and not when connect to a USB port on a PC.

That is right hardcore. This also refers to post-flashing boot.
I always disconnect device as soon as flashing procedure completes.

hardcore said:
I noticed something about the battery meter.
If you power on your phone when the USB charger/cable is plugged in, the battery meter shows a higher value.
If you power on your phone when no USB charger/cable is connected, the battery meter shows a lower value.
And these values stay for as long as your phone is not rebooted. My guess is, the value without USB plugged in (lower value) is more accurate.
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Hey,
Heres whats happening:
Lithium-ion batteries dont like it when you charge them while full. It wears them down. So to preserve batterylife it charges untill full, then stops charging completely. When it droppes down to far, it'll charge again for a bit. The phone will show full, in reality it'll be a little less. When you unplug it will drop down quickly to a more precise value. Bump-charging (disconnect, reconnect charger) works, however you are wearing the batterylife down. Could be you dont care, so it'll be youre own choice.
Older phones do not do this. They charge till full, then trickle power continuesly so it'll always be full when disconnected.
Hope this helps.

weirder said:
Hey,
Heres whats happening:
Lithium-ion batteries dont like it when you charge them while full. It wears them down. So to preserve batterylife it charges untill full, then stops charging completely. When it droppes down to far, it'll charge again for a bit. The phone will show full, in reality it'll be a little less. When you unplug it will drop down quickly to a more precise value. Bump-charging (disconnect, reconnect charger) works, however you are wearing the batterylife down. Could be you dont care, so it'll be youre own choice.
Older phones do not do this. They charge till full, then trickle power continuesly so it'll always be full when disconnected.
Hope this helps.
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I'm not talking about the usual Li-ion full-charge effects. Also it may not be true that other phones don't do this. For sure, many laptops do this - after the battery charges to 100%, they won't charge the battery until it decreases to a certain level, say 95%.
I'm referring to the difference in battery meter reading if u boot the phone while connected to the wall charger, vs booting the phone when it's disconnected from the charger.

What you say is right, I am used to power OFF my phone & charge it at night, & when I get up, switch it ON while still plugged in. I must make it a point to remove the cable before I switch ON.

I noticed this many months ago and it persists even after flashing many different firmwares. It actually comes in handy some times. For instance when my battery is running low and i need to step out i simply plug in the charger, power off then power back on. Phone instantly jumps 30% or so. But generally i tend to power on without the charger attached so as not to stuff up the battery stats.
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Anyway this behavior is not correct.
Samsung changed recently battery drivers in JPX sources and the problem is still persistent. I suspect it might be related to wrong battery voltage measuring point (hardware design flaw? although most problems with sgs are/were software related) or result misinterpretation.
Or their Q/A team is so clueless that they didnt notice that.

hardcore said:
EDIT: I notice this difference in battery meter reading tends to happen only with the *real* charger, and not when connect to a USB port on a PC.
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I just tested this. 5% battery. Reboot with usb plugged in. 50%battery. The battery also seems to drain really fast after the reboot.
I am plugged in using original usb cable in a usb on the front panel of my pc...
Edit: im still plugged in and it's going down... i boot with usb at 50% leave it in and while charging the battery goes down... i left it in and now it's going 49...48...47 while charging... wtf lol
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Lightarrow said:
I just tested this. 5% battery. Reboot with usb plugged in. 50%battery. The battery also seems to drain really fast after the reboot.
I am plugged in using original usb cable in a usb on the front panel of my pc...
Edit: im still plugged in and it's going down... i boot with usb at 50% leave it in and while charging the battery goes down... i left it in and now it's going 49...48...47 while charging... wtf lol
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My guess is this is because the actual level of the battery is 5%, and 'cause it's plugged in it's saying 50% for some strange reason. So really you're charging from 5% up to 50% (and eventually more, but that aside), and I think the phone is averaging between your actual battery level and the 50% every time you go up 1%? Just my guess.

johanaikema said:
My guess is this is because the actual level of the battery is 5%, and cause it's plugged in it's saying 50% for some strange reason. So really you're charging from 5% up to 50% (and eventually more, but that aside), and I think the phone is averaging between you're actual battery level and the 50% every time you go up 1%? Just my guess.
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Yeay that is what im thinking too weird stuff.
@hardcore : just tried your suggestion. I shut down with the cable plugged in. Remove it. Reboot. But my battery is still at 47... ill try to go into cwm to see if that triggers something. Or maybe remove the battery and insert it again...
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Ok. I tried this : removed my battery, waited 5 seconds, reput my battery, reboot all with charger unplugged. Battery went from 47 to 52. So this had no effect.
Then i shut down the phone, used 3br to get into recovery (cwm) did nothing except select reboot phone now and the phone rebooted, now 12% battery.
Btw using all tweaks in your kernel except tun.
Weird stuff...
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noticed this months back too but didnt think much about it.
i just figured the software is reading the higher voltage during charge and reporting it wrong during boot.
*could be wrong
EDIT: and the diff is quite big, increase of 20-30%

hardcore said:
What I'm suggesting is a bit different.
Power off phone.
Power on phone again, without plugging anything in.
After phone has booted, plug in charger.
EDIT: I notice this difference in battery meter reading tends to happen only with the *real* charger, and not when connect to a USB port on a PC.
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what @weirder post is the true fact about the lithium ion charge process. your charging method is called bump charging. but that way of charging the juice wear off the battery life sooner than normal charging..

I've been checking out the battery meter source code, and I think the battery level is calculated *only* from the battery voltage. Which is quite inaccurate, compared to laptop batteries which keep track of the charge, etc.

hardcore said:
I've been checking out the battery meter source code, and I think the battery level is calculated *only* from the battery voltage. Which is quite inaccurate, compared to laptop batteries which keep track of the charge, etc.
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This could be improved by using its temperature. Since the SoC is a function of temperature, charge history, and current evolution over the time.
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I tried the bump charging till the meter says 100% and right after unplugging from the charger the meter reads 98%. I let the battery drain up to 96% and connected my phone into a usb port of my PC and when the meter say its 100% charged, i disconnected the phone from the usb port and wallah...it stays at 100% charged and it has been at 100% even after 15 minutes...

I really don't recommend bump charging. You risk damaging your battery by overcharging. Or worse, making it blow up due to overcharging! I know it sounds paranoid but you never know...

Something's draining my battery faster than it's charging

I have a dock at work that I place my phone onto every day as soon as I arrive. I noticed at about 11 AM today that my phone was showing 72% battery, even though it should have been fully charged when I left this morning at 9 and had been sitting on the charger since 9:30. More annoyingly, it seems to be staying at about that level--it's not moving up at all. If anything, it's continuing to lose charge even as the icon shows it's charging!
I took it to a Sprint store, where they unhelpfully suggested that I have too many apps installed that are draining the battery in the background. I manually stopped most of them, uninstalled some that I don't really use, and put it back on the charger. It's still not going anywhere. I turned the phone completely off for an hour and charged the thing, and it had gained about ten percent (that seems pitiful, but at least it's charging?). It's back on the charger, still not really moving anywhere.
So what are my options at this point? I've never calibrated the battery, so maybe I need to do that. Other than that all I can think is that either the battery is going bad (but I have a feeling Sprint is going to insist "It's still charging" if I take it back to them and refuse to give me another battery), or perhaps the dock is not supplying the right voltage and hence it's not charging fast enough to overtake the power consumption.
What's bugging me is that I haven't installed anything in the past week that should be affecting my power consumption like this. Last week I had plenty of apps installed with GPS and bluetooth always on, and as long as the phone was docked it would eventually reach 100%. Now I have pretty much everything off, several apps I usually have running turned off, and several more uninstalled (including Lookout Security), and the battery is barely making any headway. I keep the screen on to a desk clock (because that's the whole point of a freaking dock), but that alone shouldn't be draining it faster than it can charge.
Any suggestions?

Sounds to me like its not getting enough voltage. When you charge it at home does it charge reasonably fast?
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I never really monitor it, but I would say so, yeah. All I really check is that it's fully charged in the morning before I walk out the door.
The culprit might be my dock. It says it's designed specifically for the GSII but the cable itself looks to just be your standard USB-to-microUSB dock, other than a little bump at the bottom so that it's clearly aimed for bottom-charger phones like an iphone or SGSII. I suspect it might be supplying less voltage than the charger that came with the phone.
Is there anything I can look at (app or internal setting) that can tell me what kind of voltage the phone is receiving?
EDIT: Should also note that it's sitting on the dock now and it is at least making positive gains on the battery, albeit at maybe 1% every fifteen minutes. I really don't remember it being this slow before. Perhaps the dock's cable is cheap and is just crapping out over time.

USB charging is about half the speed of regular, wall socket charging. Invest in an OEM charger or one that has similar specs to an OEM one.
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do you have the dock connected to a USB port on a computer/laptop or wall outlet?
USB charges at 150mah while most ac adapters charge at between 750-1000mah.

Well, when I used the my generic LG USB cable it took about 5 hours to reach from 0% to about 40% while shut. So, I changed the cable and viola, charging to full in less than 3 hours while working on it.
So, it seems that the charger is bad quality. Try using the original cable (if possible) or may be the original charger plug.
I guess that's the only solution, because there is no way that the phone is discharging at a faster rate than charging, except when it is connected to an external display. This is the only thing that I encounter where the phone goes dead after a while despite it is connected to the charger...

Yeah, that dock is a POS. I'm not surprised it charges slow as balls too.
Amusingly, my phone has been running on the battery since leaving work for about four hours with the screen off, and it's only at 92%! I must have uninstalled whatever was draining it so quickly.
Thanks, guys.

If you think it's an application draining it, try better battery stats in the market. Might not be the problem but it does help.
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ahmadshawki said:
Well, when I used the my generic LG USB cable it took about 5 hours to reach from 0% to about 40% while shut. So, I changed the cable and viola, charging to full in less than 3 hours while working on it.
So, it seems that the charger is bad quality. Try using the original cable (if possible) or may be the original charger plug.
I guess that's the only solution, because there is no way that the phone is discharging at a faster rate than charging, except when it is connected to an external display. This is the only thing that I encounter where the phone goes dead after a while despite it is connected to the charger...
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That's right. Use Original cable came with your phone.
I've experienced same thing when I tried to charge my D710 over LG micro usb charger thru AC outlet. The charging indicator was showing flash but actually it was not charging or charging speed was not enough to follow the battery usage.
I charged the phone all the night but in the morning it was empty!
Charging through the original Samsung micro usb cable, it never failed. But charging thru LG micro usb failed couple of times.
You can easily check a couple of things -
try to connect micro usb cable to your PC and set the USB mass storage mode.
If we use LG micro usb over samsung phone, it's not perfectly fit and data communication frequently fails. More importantly, Don't even try to odin your phone using LG micro usb.
It's not the issue of charger. It's the cable issue.
Do not use LG Micro USB cable for data communication, but if you want to use for charging, be sure that you hear the connection sound from the phone. If there's no connection sound, the battery won't last long even battery charging status shows the flash.
Hope this help.

VAAS portable battery 5000mAh - total crap

Another attempt at trying to get an external battery that works:
Vaas VM50 5000mAh Dual Port Rechargeable External Battery Pack w/ 6 Charge Tips
It's enough to charge 1 time, although you have to unplug it when charged.
Here's the biggest problem: it seems that if charger has less juice left than the phone battery, it starts sucking the battery out to charge itself.
Yesterday my phone had 46% around 1am at night. VAAS had 2 out of 3 lights on (so above 50%?). When I woke up this morning - my phone was completely drained, and VAAS had 1 light on.
Don't buy it, it's crap. You may get 1 charge out of it, and even then you can't safely leave it overnight.

I am having similiar issue with RAIKKO 5200mAh pack. When you plug it in without turning the charger on, it will look like it's charging, when it fact it will discharge (fast - something like 400mA even with screen off). The same happens when it runs out of juice - it will stop charging, switch off and start "draining" the battery.
When I tried this on my friends Desire HD, it said "charging voltage is too high" and refused to charge until I actually turned it on. So it is an error in both the charger and the phone...
I guess your charger has the same crappy chinese circuitry :-(

I've been successfully using the new Trent 5000mha external battery pack. I got it of amazon and the thing has been faultless in the 2 years I've owned it. The cells are starting to wear now but I can still charge my phone 3 time before re juicing is needed. I think it was around £13 so it was a bargain as well. I use mine to charge the one x ok, but my Samsung galaxy tab it keeps level , I think that machine need 2 amp to correctly charge.
The pack has two outputs, one marked iPad is 1amp and the other is 500mha. I've never had it back charge a from a phone. Just make sure you turn it on otherwise it won't charge the device - the red light come on but no charging happens.
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New Charger Won't Charge S III?

Hey everybody. I have a Galaxy S III from Virgin Mobile and it's been great... so far. Question is... my phone, battery, and charger have been going a little crazy. Lately, the battery has been charging slow, wouldn't say extremely slow but when I first got the phone, it charge pretty quickly. Now, it takes (I'm guessing here) about three hours just to charge to about 40-50% on a dead battery versus when I first got it, it would charge to near 80% to full battery in that same amount of time (again, just guessing but trying to paint a picture of what I mean). In addition, when I go to plug the USB in like normal, sometimes the phone would make the charging beeping noises continuously until I unplug the charger. When I leave it overnight, for the most part now, it won't even charge to 100%. When it did charge to 100%, it quickly drained to 75% in only one minute! I'm hoping it's not the port because nothing really happened to it (no drops, etc). I thought it was the port so in order to test it out, I used my brother's micro-USB cable and charger and it worked without the continuous beeping but still charged slow, which led me to believing it might be a software thing and the Android OS for some reason crapping out and "misreading" the actual battery level.
In a semi-related thing, I thought it might be the charger dying so I went out to Target to buy a Belkin Home Charger and ChargeSync Cable. This cable supposedly supplies 2.1 amps of power to the device, however, it won't even charge my phone even though Belkin says it works with Galaxy S3s right on the box. Never had problem using other micro-USB cables until now. The Belkin charger is the 2nd one I've used and it hasn't charged. Maybe too much amperage is going into the device? The other charger was a Rocketfish charger with the same specs. I figured it might be the USB cable itself because I paired the OEM cable with the Belkin charger and it worked. But I find it strange that identical micro-USB cable can and cannot charge the S III because I've switched cables in the past and it worked.
Sorry for the tons of info. Just trying to be as informative as possible. :angel:

Battery could be the problem
Charge the phone as high as it will go, then let it discharge all the way until it powers off, then leave it off while charging it all the way it will go (hopefully 100%).
If you are rooted, download "Battery Calibration" and "Rebooter". Run the first, then the second (a normal reboot often undoes the first - it deletes a file that often has stale data, but it gets written back on a normal reboot).
You can order a new battery from Amazon. It cost me about $8. Good to have a spare and you'll know if your battery was the problem if the above doesn't fix it.