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disregard, this thread being in Q&A defeats it's purpose

[Q] Why do people post [Questions] in the [General] section???
Anyone?
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Anyone?
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Bueller?
I don't get it. Do people not understand WHY we have a Q&A sub-forum?
Do people think their question will get answered sooner/better if they post it where it's not supposed to go?
I understand this is not an original thread and I am only one of many who are getting fed up with the lack of e-courtesy on the part of the wrong-section-question-posters, maybe some of them who haven't seen the other frustration threads will see this one and start posting in the right places.
Get with it people.

Can a mod move this thread to the correct section?

Bioxoxide said:
Can a mod move this thread to the correct section?
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This thread is already in the correct section.
It isn't actually a question, more of a statement.
If this thread was moved to Q&A then only the people who are already posting in the correct section would see it and not the people who come to the general section to post questions, who should see it.

I'm still annoyed at the whole "[Q]" thing. We can tell it's a damn question arleady. That's what question marks are for.

I agree, but people need to just ignore the post in the wrong forum and the mod will move into the right forum. The problem is that when you tell someone they are in the wrong forum they go to that forum and post the same thing. Then the mod moves the other one and now we have two posts of the same thing.

I would think that a specific issue related to the phone would be posted in the Q&A section.
Like, "how do I change the settings for blah blah blah?" would be in Q&A.
But if someone wants to get a feel for the community, like "has your phone dl/ul speeds changed" or something like that, they post in the General section.
Q&A is for questions looking for solutions to a specific problem/issue and General is for general discussion of the phone. Just my 2 cents.

i feel the OP's pain..
people post in general because they want their question "seen" by more eyes.. some post because they dont care for the sub forums.
this site is a devs site FIRST.. but over time the novice has made his or her way here and the dev base has eroded a bit with questions like "make me decide to keep my phone" or "iphone sux and here's why"... those questions should not even be asked in the first place and when they are posted it just muddies up the forum...
it gives mods more work to do in the end and the other sub forums dont see the right traffic they should be seeing.
if more folks post in the appropriate section, that would engage others to explore those forums...

nebenezer said:
This thread is already in the correct section.
It isn't actually a question, more of a statement.
If this thread was moved to Q&A then only the people who are already posting in the correct section would see it and not the people who come to the general section to post questions, who should see it.
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Seems very much like a question, ya even have the cute little [Q] to further indicate a question was about to go down. Complete with question marks, not to mention 3 question marks...sure looks like a question to me. And do you not seek answers?
Q&A, let's go.

beesneazy said:
Seems very much like a question, ya even have the cute little [Q] to further indicate a question was about to go down. Complete with question marks, not to mention 3 question marks...sure looks like a question to me. And do you not seek answers?
Q&A, let's go.
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rhetorical...
and the [Q] was to bring attention to the fact that QUESTIONS DO NOT BELONG IN HERE, otherwise you wouldn't be suggesting this thread be moved... thank you for illustrating my point
And no, I do not seek answers. I seek for people to ask themselves the question "where does my shiny new thread go" before they post it.

Was more in jest than not. I do get your point as well and I didn't prove your later point. It's clearly a question, either way. Coulda posted "reminder - questions belong in Q&A." People that can't already figure that out might be further confused by the thread.
I get ya though.

Another thing is the whole "I searched and couldn't find anything..." response that is put in the title or question itself.
Glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this way. Now its time for the Dr. Phil "your so mean!" responses to start coming out.

So let me see if I understand. If you want to say something, then do it in the general section. If your statement begins with: who, what, why, where, how, can, is, when, if, (I can't think of anymore), then it is a question and should be in the q&a section. Do I have this right?
Oops, now this belongs in another section because I asked a question. Ya just can't win, can ya? Crap! Another question!
Hey mods and forum police, I was just trying to be funny but I failed miserably... I'm not trying to mock you.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck then its a DUCK!!
[Q] Why do people post [Questions] in the [General] section???
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nahhhhhh thats not a question..ahhh the irony of your question asking why people asks question in the general section that you just did yourself!

MrDSL said:
nahhhhhh thats not a question..ahhh the irony of your question asking why people asks question in the general section that you just did yourself!
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Yep, that was the point

nebenezer said:
Yep, that was the point
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I'm guessing you don't have kids. If you do, then oh boy....
Just learn to ignore threads, you don't have to click them.
This is why we have mods. (Its more work on them which I feel bad for....but this is always going to happen on an internet forum.)

Oh ****... The [Q] thing has spread to other xda boards now. D:

champ052005 said:
I'm guessing you don't have kids. If you do, then oh boy....
Just learn to ignore threads, you don't have to click them.
This is why we have mods. (Its more work on them which I feel bad for....but this is always going to happen on an internet forum.)
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No I don't have kids and I don't flame people (very often) and I'm a master at ignoring stupid threads. I'm aware of the extra burden misplaced threads puts on the mods, that's why I started this one to hopefully help prevent some of it before they have to take their time to move them.

TheBiles said:
Oh ****... The [Q] thing has spread to other xda boards now. D:
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i believe the [q] is an automatic feature now, if you check the 'is this a question' box when starting a new thread. i highly doubt that some of these people that start new threads out of the blue intentionally included a relevant bit of info in the thread title, lol

lol, I'm a little surprised this got moved

Can someone port this?

Title says it all. I would donate for this. Its droid x 2.3.3 with new blur.
Heres a link
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...-5-596-release-thread-something-everyone.html

Dude I think you should've posted this in the general section but whatever. Ask Virus he's the best at porting roms from what I've seen

I'm already downloading it...shouldn't take too long

Vinchenzop said:
I'm already downloading it...shouldn't take too long
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Thank u sir. Remember if u get it done a donation will head ur way
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I find it funny that if a newbie posts something in the wrong section, a million "Senior Members" jump on him/her like crazy but you "Clark44" can do it and everyone's cool with it just because you say you're going to donate if someone ports yet ANOTHER rom you like....hahaha...I'm not going to sit here and try to police the forums but looks like there's a double standard here!

this is contributing to development not asking why my ___________ doesnt work or How to you ____________

rsmith675 said:
this is contributing to development not asking why my ___________ doesnt work or How to you ____________
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OK....Now I'm not trying to start anything here BUT what I got from what you said was that as long as you ask for a rom to be port over that is OK to post in the development section?
Now like I said before, I'm not trying to police this forum or any forum for that matter but I was just saying how I've seen there's a double standard for things like this. Last time I checked, rules are rules right? I'm not on here to gain any friends or make any enemies but I don't like how people jump on newbies for common mistakes but is cool if a so called senior member make mistakes......

mazdarider23 said:
I find it funny that if a newbie posts something in the wrong section, a million "Senior Members" jump on him/her like crazy but you "Clark44" can do it and everyone's cool with it just because you say you're going to donate if someone ports yet ANOTHER rom you like....hahaha...I'm not going to sit here and try to police the forums but looks like there's a double standard here!
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Clark44 also contributes to the forum instead of just leaching, plus he has an awesome avatar.
Although it does seem like anytime a new ROM for another phone gets released it gets posted here before it does in their own section.

Guys chill. Vinchen is going to see what he can do but most of the time we work together. I dont just ask for something and expect it to come out of no where at any time. I actually contribute so can this not be about me and become about the ROM??
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clark44 said:
Guys chill. Vinchen is going to see what he can do but most of the time we work together. I dont just ask for something and expect it to come out of no where at any time. I actually contribute so can this not be about me and become about the ROM??
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Is cool dude...I didn't mean to attack you or anything like that! I was just airing out what I see here in this forum lately and it just happen that you posted this and I saw no one jumped on you like they do on the newbies.
No hard feelings....I hope! AND yeah, I agree with you....let's get talking about the ROM.

mazdarider23 said:
I find it funny that if a newbie posts something in the wrong section, a million "Senior Members" jump on him/her like crazy but you "Clark44" can do it and everyone's cool with it just because you say you're going to donate if someone ports yet ANOTHER rom you like....hahaha...I'm not going to sit here and try to police the forums but looks like there's a double standard here!
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hmm porting = dev work

CheesyNutz said:
hmm porting = dev work
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Stay on topic lol
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Funny how good and good intentions can quickly go south!!!!
T.E.A.M.W.O.R.K.

Hmmmm!
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eVoKINGS said:
Hmmmm!
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Lol i see a port comin from our king
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eVoKINGS said:
Hmmmm!
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Have at it king, I took a quick stab and i think its the updater script that came with the rom...didn't seem to be flashing right...but its 4 am and I've got alot of work tomorrow, so...night everyone

Please be aware that porting is serious work! Will give it a shot no promises! Alot is envolved! Thanks
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This would be sweet ! My girlfriends got a Droid x and it would be funny to get her update before her LOL. I think it will be mostly hardware issue that the devs will have to face when porting this. It would be really cool to play with a blur phone LOL
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Vinchenzop said:
I'm already downloading it...shouldn't take too long
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+1 on that port I was checking it out I would like to see what this would be like on an Evo btw I'm on the Skyraider port this thing is amazing I usually don't run I ROM with no 4g but I love this ROM and I'm living without it.
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Just to clear things up, this isn't actually a Dev thread. It's a request, and therefore should not be in dev.
General - general technical discussion items, news, anything else that does not fit into the other fora categories.
Q&A (Questions and Answers) - all questions, irrespective of type, get posted in here whether they be theme related, accessory related, technical, etc.
Accessories - any items to do with components and/or accessories relating to your device.
Rom Development - only meant for very advanced technical discussion directly related to ROM development activity and the delivery of actual ROMs and ROM components ONLY. Nothing else goes in here.
Themes & Apps - anything to do directly with the development of themes and/or applications. Nothing else goes in here.
MOD EDIT: BEFORE POSTING ANY THREAD IN THE DEVELOPMENT SECTION, PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING:
If you have developed a ROM, or are working with others to do so, the development forum is somewhere to discuss and share ideas, post useful feedback and logs or crash dumps, and to discuss a common goal developers are trying to achieve.
It is NOT the place to post your question because it gets higher traffic, or because more experienced users frequent it. Doing this just annoys those who are working on the device, and drives them away. Developers don't want to wade through 20 threads of "Help me urgently" to find their threads for porting and fixing camera issues etc. Similarly, if a thread is designated as discussion for developers say, porting a camera fix, please do not post in there asking "When will it be ready?", "Can I flash this yet?" etc. This is both completely disrespectful to those working on the project (you evidently haven't read the important posts in the thread), and also is making it harder for developers to find comments from other developers or testers when required.
Similarly, don't make loads of "Thanks for your work here" posts in an active development thread. It's just as annoying to developers as asking when something will be ready. If a ROM is complete, then go ahead and thank the developer if you wish, but don't go into threads for devs only, and interrupt it to post "thanks". It's basically spamming, and is treated as such.
If you are posting in development, you should have read every sticky and notice there, and should be actively developing or helping in the development of something. Developing isn't installing a ROM, or using a tweak, it's creating a ROM or other hack or tweak. If you haven't read for several days before starting out on XDA, you are likely about to ask something already solved. I registered on XDA when I first wanted to post, and that was to join in a discussion on something. Sure, join up and ask a question, but read the information available in General and Q&A first, as your question will have been asked before. Search is your friend here, become familiar with it.
Regarding when to post in development if you are not actually developing something, there is one occasion where it's acceptable. If you find a leak of a new ROM, which isn't already posted, and you verify it's legitimacy via either running it, or based on the source you obtained it from, then this is assisting in development, and should be posted in development. If you want to ask when a leak will be available use search first, then if not already in discussion, open a thread in general or Q&A.
If you have a problem flashing a ROM, this is NOT related to development. It's up to you to determine if it is specific to a particular ROM, and post useful information in that developer's existing thread for the ROM. If it happens on more than one ROM, and isn't a known issue (remember you should read several times more words than you post), then find out what you are doing wrong. Check guides written by others, try to repeat the problem and see if it happens every time. Something needs to be reproducible to be fixed effectively.
Once you have identified what you need help with go to the device Q&A forum (general if device lacks one), and make a clear, informative thread that explains the issue, and what you have tried doing to fix it. Did you re-download the ROM? Did you ask a friend to flash it for you, to reduce chance of user error? What steps (exactly) did you follow? What errors did you see (exact wording)? Did you double check all the steps? Did you do a wipe or hard reset?
If you make a clear, concise, yet detailed post, you will find help forthcoming, and should get the problem sorted very quickly. If someone suggests you try something, report back on what happened, did it work etc. Then, next time someone has this issue and searches, they will find this and have a verified and tested solution.
So remember... before you start a thread in development, ask yourself what you are developing. If you can't answer, then stop, step away from the post button, and think about where you are posting. Would it be better in General or Q&A, or is some more time with your best friend, search, required?
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GLONASS support for the G2/Desire Z ?

Any chance we can enable this on our phones for better gps ? Could we barrow the code tmo used on the Samsung Galaxy S II to enable it on ours ?
We have snapdragon 2 proc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_%28system_on_chip%29
Notice it says any device with and snapdragon 2 proc
http://www.qualcomm.com/blog/2011/12/15/gps-and-glonass-dual-core-location-your-phone

Any chance you can read the rules and post a question in the question section? Pretty obvious that since this is the only question in the dev section its not the place to ask the.
Q&A= questions and answers
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Spastic909 said:
Any chance you can read the rules and post a question in the question section? Pretty obvious that since this is the only question in the dev section its not the place to ask the.
Q&A= questions and answers
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Yeah i can read , but wanted to get dev started on this issue so i asked it here to start a dev thread not a q&a thread , like how do I install and apk . thanks though buddy .

Tried this from the steps below from this thread but code does not work on the G2 .
I found this:
Open diagnosis and type *#1575#
They suggest to set the values:
MOLR CP/UP: CP MOLR state
3G MOLR request type: LocEstimate type
TLS Option: Tls on
Glonass: on
Maybe there is glonass support and is disabled by default?

bled82 said:
Yeah i can read , but wanted to get dev started on this issue so i asked it here to start a dev thread not a q&a thread , like how do I install and apk . thanks though buddy .
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That fails to justify why you would break such a simple rule...

bled82 said:
Yeah i can read , but wanted to get dev started on this issue so i asked it here to start a dev thread not a q&a thread , like how do I install and apk . thanks though buddy .
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No, this is not how you get devs started on the subject, and no, this is not the way you ask them to start it. Post this in the Q&A section, post your questions here (this is in the dev section!) or PM a dev with a question to see if they are interested.
Please don't use disrespectful language (see text in bold). This is a free community forum - and we are all supposed to follow the rules of that community - one of which is (and I would argue the most important) respecting others. It upsets me to see people like you polluting this incredible environment - and it ruins what we all are trying to achieve here.
Essentially, if you want to screw around and insult people with dim-witted sarcasm, stick to the comments section in this place.
Perhaps you're having a bad day, and if so, I'm sorry to hear that. But if you are - I would really recommend you don't post anything at all. And certainly don't openly disobey the rules of this forum by posting in the wrong section.

bled82 said:
Yeah i can read , but wanted to get dev started on this issue so i asked it here to start a dev thread not a q&a thread , like how do I install and apk . thanks though buddy .
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Sometimes all you can do is laugh.......

U better watch where u post q&a stuff the XDA-Kgb will lock u up

clearly the people that have been here less time then me know how i should be posting and i should totaly listen to them cause they are mods , oh wait they are not . So back to trying to do some dev on this .
Per this forum looks like it may be built into the radio http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1393727&page=2
going to dig in and take a look will post anything if i find it . Lets keep the rest of this on topic please .

Yes, you should be listening to them because they know how to follow the rules. Your utter lack of respect had shown that you deserve a swift kick in the butt....and I and just the one to give it to you.
Thank you to all those members who have been here for a shorter time then the OP but still know how to read and follow directions.
Thread closed! FOREVER
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Android 4.2.2

Does any dev plan to make a rom for our device anytime soon? It seems there are official updates only for Gnex and few other devices at present time. I am guessing maybe a week before SamMobile releases something. Thoughts? Ideas? Answers?

Yes its a question
photolarry said:
Does any dev plan to make a rom for our device anytime soon? It seems there are official updates only for Gnex and few other devices at present time. I am guessing maybe a week before SamMobile releases something. Thoughts? Ideas? Answers?
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But it is relevant to Android development that is why I posted it here not QA forum

still wrong on where to post. And a search would've gotten you your answer http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1728750

That is rules not answer
mt3g said:
still wrong on where to post. And a search would've gotten you your answer http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1728750
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I do not see the answer there...Only how to TAG things with {MOD} or so on. And devs are reading THIS forum more! So I do not agree. And I am now an OP so leave my thread ALONE!

i agree wrong section, this is a question therefore it deserves to be in Q&A or just locked and deleted some people are still noobs

Lol, I like the idea of the thread, it's pretty neat, and friendly competition is great. The poll is a great idea but all your devs in it aren't even working on making any AOSP roms, except Jamison with AOKP but he is still dabbling with source and such. The link I gave you are the rules of what you can post in this sub-forum, none of the bunch include asking a question at all. Calm down a little and learn the rules my friend. Oh and I'm already running a 4.2.2 rom

photolarry said:
I do not see the answer there...Only how to TAG things with {MOD} or so on. And devs are reading THIS forum more! So I do not agree. And I am now an OP so leave my thread ALONE!
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Meh. Reported.

I reported it before I posted in it to help the guy out. Mods are busy with the announcement of 4.2.2. I'm sure there are about a 100 posts being made a minute in the wrong sections all over the world.

mt3g said:
I reported it before I posted in it to help the guy out. Mods are busy with the announcement of 4.2.2. I'm sure there are about a 100 posts being made a minute in the wrong sections all over the world.
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Yeah. I wouldn't have bothered with it if the OP hadn't decided to announce that he is free to post wherever he feels like because "I'm an OP now"

So Smart Azz...where did you get 4.2.2???
mt3g said:
I reported it before I posted in it to help the guy out. Mods are busy with the announcement of 4.2.2. I'm sure there are about a 100 posts being made a minute in the wrong sections all over the world.
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I do not see you answering this question. And if they wanna move it to QA...they will. I dont care at this point. I just want an idea of when we get in on this since it seems lately its only days after an announcement that someone has access to a build or source. So again, instead of whining at me....answer me! And if a Moderator is reading...go ahead...move this to Q/A...makes me no difference at all. I think this is relevant to development/developers. So if any Moderator disagrees...please move the thread. Again I do not care nor do I have that ability. I am just OP but do not have such functions on my interface.

From the moderator
Do not post this kind of thing here......... it belongs in Q & A not Development........ IF anything ends with or implies a "?" mark...... then it goes to Q & A
Next time posting non development related topics here will get infracted......
Thread moved to Q & A
Thanks ~~ oka1

Again...I said I dont mind
oka1 said:
Do not post this kind of thing here......... it belongs in Q & A not Development........ IF anything ends with or implies a "?" mark...... then it goes to Q & A
Next time posting non development related topics here will get infracted......
Thread moved to Q & A
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Nothing wrong with enforcement. I just thought it might get MORE views in DEV area is why I posted it. If the rule is strict (ends in ? ) then I will not post again. So apologies if they are warranted

photolarry said:
I do not see you answering this question. And if they wanna move it to QA...they will. I dont care at this point. I just want an idea of when we get in on this since it seems lately its only days after an announcement that someone has access to a build or source. So again, instead of whining at me....answer me! And if a Moderator is reading...go ahead...move this to Q/A...makes me no difference at all. I think this is relevant to development/developers. So if any Moderator disagrees...please move the thread. Again I do not care nor do I have that ability. I am just OP but do not have such functions on my interface.
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My previous post
Lol, I like the idea of the thread, it's pretty neat, and friendly competition is great. The poll is a great idea but all your devs in it aren't even working on making any AOSP roms, except Jamison with AOKP but he is still dabbling with source and such.
Why are you so angry haha? I gave you some insight and if you search a little OP you will get an idea of who might be dropping a 4.2.2 rom. I will not give you any other insight or links to such threads that might be only a couple away from your thread. Because you are simply not polite but demanding, and your tone is unheard of in these threads. I say good day.

Isn't asking for etas against the rules too?
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Not ETA question
bfranklin1986 said:
Isn't asking for etas against the rules too?
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It is question as to if they have access to builds...and where those might be. I am not asking for timeline for anybody to MAKE a rom at all. I basically wish to know idea of when there will be something out there for us to use on S3 devices in USA. Pretty much an information thing not ETA thing. Understand??

Why don't your reply to me?
I gave you information and you no reply to me? Why?

photolarry said:
I do not see the answer there...Only how to TAG things with {MOD} or so on. And devs are reading THIS forum more! So I do not agree. And I am now an OP so leave my thread ALONE!
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this kind of attitude is why no dev wants to listen to you.

If you'd read in the dev section your answer is there
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Spoon fed ....... open wide. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=37953635
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Omnomnom
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noob question - dev kernel

hey
i want to learn how to make android kernel like the rom developers
what i need to learn first? (i want to dev to i9305 first)
what the programing langue that used for android kernels?

ussl said:
hey
i want to learn how to make android kernel like the rom developers
what i need to learn first? (i want to dev to i9305 first)
what the programing langue that used for android kernels?
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To compile a kernel : http://xda-university.com/as-a-developer/getting-started-building-a-kernel-from-source
Android kernels (which are actually linux kernels) are written in C.
Hacking kernels is not the easiest thing to do for beginner programmers. You need to know a bit about the underlying hardware and debugging is difficult, it's also more risky than app development so know you recovery procedures. Now, disregard what I just said and do it, it's very rewarding.

ussl said:
hey
i want to learn how to make android kernel like the rom developers
what i need to learn first? (i want to dev to i9305 first)
what the programing langue that used for android kernels?
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What part of "Developers Only" in the forum title did you not understand? This is not a Q&A thread for n00bs. For that you need to post in the Q&A section.

TheATHEiST said:
What part of "Developers Only" in the forum title did you not understand? This is not a Q&A thread for n00bs. For that you need to post in the Q&A section.
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Well while you might be partly right about the q&a he cant get the information need from there either. So let him try to join the developer sections if he can manage to do it. No one is a noob forever unless we are pains in the butt and dont help/let them grow and learn.
While I dont know everything about developing I can help you some fell free to PM me or hit me up via hangouts ([email protected]) include your issues/desires when you hit me up since I help whoever I can and cant always keep track of everyone who contacts me. Also dont let people keep you from trying because then we would never have new development or developers. No disrespect @TheATHEiST but damn cut a noob some slack and help out or be quite.

TheATHEiST said:
What part of "Developers Only" in the forum title did you not understand? This is not a Q&A thread for n00bs. For that you need to post in the Q&A section.
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+1

jlmancuso said:
Well while you might be partly right about the q&a he cant get the information need from there either. So let him try to join the developer sections if he can manage to do it. No one is a noob forever unless we are pains in the butt and dont help/let them grow and learn.
While I dont know everything about developing I can help you some fell free to PM me or hit me up via hangouts ([email protected]) include your issues/desires when you hit me up since I help whoever I can and cant always keep track of everyone who contacts me. Also dont let people keep you from trying because then we would never have new development or developers. No disrespect @TheATHEiST but damn cut a noob some slack and help out or be quite.
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You basically just proved my point. You're not a developer but are willing to help him so it proves that he could have simply posted in the correct section which is the Q&A.
He and other n00bs have absolutely no place in a "Developers Only" thread. It quite clearly says so.
It's not about "cutting them some slack" It's about asking them to post in correct sections and NO I will not be "quite" or quiet.
XDA is a mess and hard to sift out info already without you adding to it by basically telling n00bs it's ok to post wherever they want to.

TheATHEiST said:
You basically just proved my point. You're not a developer but are willing to help him so it proves that he could have simply posted in the correct section which is the Q&A.
He and other n00bs have absolutely no place in a "Developers Only" thread. It quite clearly says so.
It's not about "cutting them some slack" It's about asking them to post in correct sections and NO I will not be "quite" or quiet.
XDA is a mess and hard to sift out info already without you adding to it by basically telling n00bs it's ok to post wherever they want to.
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Where is your creds as a dev? Do you have any right to even post here either? You been a member since 08 and given back what? Are you a mod? So take care and talk to you latter funny guy.
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jlmancuso said:
Well while you might be partly right about the q&a he cant get the information need from there either. So let him try to join the developer sections if he can manage to do it. No one is a noob forever unless we are pains in the butt and dont help/let them grow and learn.
While I dont know everything about developing I can help you some fell free to PM me or hit me up via hangouts ([email protected]) include your issues/desires when you hit me up since I help whoever I can and cant always keep track of everyone who contacts me. Also dont let people keep you from trying because then we would never have new development or developers. No disrespect @TheATHEiST but damn cut a noob some slack and help out or be quite.
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jlmancuso said:
Where is your creds as a dev? Do you have any right to even post here either? You been a member since 08 and given back what? Are you a mod? So take care and talk to you latter funny guy.
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At what part did I assert that I was a Dev or a mod???
I was replying to a thread, I was not creating a topic, there is a BIG difference. If a n00b doesn't read a topic title and nobody replies to let him know he is posting in wrong place how is he going to know?
So don't take care and I will not talk to you later funny guy.

TheATHEiST said:
At what part did I assert that I was a Dev or a mod???
I was replying to a thread, I was not creating a topic, there is a BIG difference. If a n00b doesn't read a topic title and nobody replies to let him know he is posting in wrong place how is he going to know?
So don't take care and I will not talk to you later funny guy.
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garyd9 said:
This area is currently experimental and was set up by the XDA Administrators for development discussion. The idea in this section is for developers (not only recognized developers, but all developers) to have a place for discussion threads to "talk shop." What kind of talk? Some topics (that I'm making up as I type this) might include (and are certainly not limited to):
Overriding the power widget in the notification dropdown
Considerations of using gcc versions other than 4.4.3 for compiling the kernel
Exynos: discussion on working around the SOC wake from sleep delay
This isn't a Q&A forum. However, developers might kick off discussions with a question. The difference? This belongs in Q&A: "My phone wakes up slow, will it go faster if I take my sdcard out?" On the other hand, the following might belong in this new section: "Has anyone tried adjusting the mmc detection timeouts to see if there's an impact on the SOC wakeup delays?" The assumption here is that the person asking the latter question actually knows what a mmc detection timeout is, how they'd change it, and has started to play around with it before posting the question.
As well, this section is not for posting finished products or "advertising" of kernels, apps, etc. This section is to discuss the process, not for the end result.
The hope (at least my own hope) is that developers can discuss things here instead of resorting the various other methods of communication we've used. At the same time, newer developers and even non-developers can LEARN from the conversations and eventually participate.
Depending on the reception (and difficulty moderating, probably) this experiment will either be expanded for other device types, completely shut down as a failure, or adjusted. Obviously, if we developers don't use it, it might be considered a waste of time and dissolved.
This section will be very closely moderated by moderators who are also developers and non-development discussion will be harshly dealt with.
I REALLY hope this will encourage more devs to spend time with open communication. This is XDA-Developers. Let's do development.
Edit (Jan 8th, 2013):
Clarifying "finished products" above: The threads in this section will likely spawn off or involve distinct programs/kernels/firmwares , and once a distinct product results, a separate thread
outside of this section should be created for supporting that distinct product. A link to that thread is welcome in the source thread here, but this section shouldn't be used to contain support or release posts.
Take care
Gary
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So this is the section rules. Note statement that mod will watch closely and even states it will help promote development.
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jlmancuso said:
So this is the section rules. Note statement that mod will watch closely and even states it will help promote development.
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Yes but It's not a place for complete newbies to ask basic questions. Those can easily just be asked via the standard Q&A forum. This forum is for devs to discuss development. In my opinion a dev as far as XDA goes is somebody with some sort of level of experience in kernels or roms. Somebody who has experience in neither should post in non-dev forums until they have correct level of experience. There is also a XDA Uni section for newbies to learn this stuff.
This forum is for developers which have some sort of level of experience to ask/discuss.
Plus this question was a general question and not really n7100/05 specific so needs to be in general Android Q&A.

TheATHEiST said:
Yes but It's not a place for complete newbies to ask basic questions. Those can easily just be asked via the standard Q&A forum. This forum is for devs to discuss development. In my opinion a dev as far as XDA goes is somebody with some sort of level of experience in kernels or roms. Somebody who has experience in neither should post in non-dev forums until they have correct level of experience. There is also a XDA Uni section for newbies to learn this stuff.
This forum is for developers which have some sort of level of experience to ask/discuss.
Plus this question was a general question and not really n7100/05 specific so needs to be in general Android Q&A.
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So you think this is a n7100/05 section also? This section is lined to dozens of samsung devices on xda. So leave the moderating to the mods. While I do find conversations with users like you interesting I got to go help others for now.
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jlmancuso said:
So you think this is a n7100/05 section also? This section is lined to dozens of samsung devices on xda. So leave the moderating to the mods. While I do find conversations with users like you interesting I got to go help others for now.
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Run along and play.
PS. I did leave the moderating to the mods, which is why it's been moved to correct section as per my original point Mr smartypants.

This thread has turned into EXACTLY what I didn't want when I envisioned the section...
ussl said:
i want to learn how to make android kernel like the rom developers
what i need to learn first? (i want to dev to i9305 first)
what the programing langue that used for android kernels?
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As has already been quoted, the area is for developers. No, not just RD's, but all developers. However, I've yet to meet a developer that doesn't take the time to research something before they ask questions. In this case, it's pretty obvious that you either aren't a developer, or that you haven't taken any time whatsoever to research the topic first. Have you even bothered to download the kernel source? That's a pretty big giveaway as to what language is used. As well, most source packages give hints as to which compiler is needed (and usually has a strong indication which toolset is preferred.)
I'm not posting this to be nasty - I'm posting it so that you (and others) can understand why this post can cause some pretty caustic replies. I'm a developer myself (and XDA has seen fit to label me as such,) but if I post a question that indicates I've done ZERO research and ZERO searching... and then post it in a section clearly labeled as "for developers only".. I can be assured that I'll get flamed as well.
TheATHEiST said:
What part of "Developers Only" in the forum title did you not understand? This is not a Q&A thread for n00bs. For that you need to post in the Q&A section.
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I didn't bother to quote the rest of your replies... but perhaps simply reporting the post and a quick note that you think it's in the wrong section might be a enough? Even if this thread survives moderation, your replies likely won't...
Take care
Gary