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Is there any way to dualboot a desire? Like dhd?
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wrong section dumbass and no there is no dualboot
^ Haha
but yeah man this should be in Q&A! getting sick of all these questions in the development forum
Easy solution: only devs should have permission to create new threads in dev section (duh!).
Wrong section but its a great idea that would not work too little memory on the phone inself to run a dual boot. so could a Mod just close this as it is completely pointless.
@howdid, You made my day lol
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That's a good idea, but it also has a problem, a new developer without a recognized developer badge, can't open a thread and share his work.
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oeps accidently thanked you ghehe, my opinion is someone below 300+ or 500+ posts cant open a new thread here
howdid said:
wrong section dumbass and no there is no dualboot
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you could read forum rules too
This looks like a start of a war between the defenders of n00bs and fighters against n00bs. Mods, how about returning from Tahiti and dealing with this situation?
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That's a good idea, but it also has a problem, a new developer without a recognized developer badge, can't open a thread and share his work.
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How 'bout reviewing new threads by mods? (Hypocritical suggestion, I know).
That's a fairly standard option on a lot of forums, in some sections only specific categories of posters can start a new thread ( Mods and recognized developer should cover it here). Everyone else has to submit a new thread for mod approval. If implemented it would stop these "random questions" and d******s who post "hey i'm using this rom but can't be a***d reading the rom thread and gosh this is so important i'm gonna start a new thread
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oeps accidently thanked you ghehe, my opinion is someone below 300+ or 500+ posts cant open a new thread here
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Good idea but don't forget not all people with low post counts post before they think, also i have seen noob type mistakes from senior members with 500+ posts before now.
The better idea is devs only being able to make new threads.
Maybe giving to top 3 devs mod status for entire Desire section. I'm confident they're capable more than enough to keep this place tidy.
with some basic search he could find this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15442534
Hmmm maybe 2 moderator per section is not enough we need more then 4...that's all...personally I don't have any prob. with noobs but at-least read the section rule....
BTW let see... does how desire is capable to run dual.boot...
I clicked that with expectations.
well I posted in the apps section for beta testers for a multiboot app http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1182325 since it's not rom development but then saw this thread and figured i'd link here if anyone's interested...
howdid said:
wrong section dumbass and no there is no dualboot
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1182325
Wrong
EDIT: Sorry for not reading the second page @Conap beat me to it
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with some basic search he could find this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15442534
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Granted the OP could have searched and found his question has been asked already,
BUT
1. Was this originally posted wrongly in the Dev section then moved???? If not, why in the h** are people freaking out about ANYONE asking a question in the Q&A (QUESTION and answer) forum?????????????????????
2. The Desire has the same size nand as the Nexus one, we have apha rev with custom MTD partions and Hboots. One would think that if this is possible on the Nexus one, it should be on the Desire.
3. As someone else said, post count and join date do not necessarily reflect one's amount of knowledge. Some people lack common sense about where to post, others are lazy. No matter what the forum rules are that will never change.
Respectfully,
jmitr said:
1. Was this originally posted wrongly in the Dev section then moved???? If not, why in the h** are people freaking out about ANYONE asking a question in the Q&A (QUESTION and answer) forum?????????????????????
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Yep it was, although it could be better said to just be moved in the Q&A Forums, instead of feeding this post with 15+ responds about the same fact.
Anyway I think this thread should either be continued on the topic or closed.
Sorry for off-topic.
to answer the op question, at the moment no, but uncorrupted has been working on dual booting but hasnt had much joy, there is a thread about it, he'll be starting work again soon
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let me be frank. this forum is getting bored lately. a lot of new user has turned this forum into their secondary samsung service centre and repeatedly asked same questions. I don't know what other's feeling but I'm getting tired giving them repeated same answer. when I first came here this forum is a lot more nice and fun. the general section have a lot of information and great discussion about android and our sgy, while all question is placed and answered nicely in FAQ thread. but now, all those usefull information is gone. replaced, and covered by those repeated silly question. please note that I'm not saying that we can't ask question in this forum. sure we can ask any question related our sgy development, but please stop asking any troubleshooting question in general section. you can ask those question on FAQ thread anytime, or you can ask any senior member here via PM. you can even PM me, and I'll sure gladly answer if I can help.
well...please forgive me complaining. I just wanna make this forum as fun and nice as possible to all members. I can't do it by myself. I'll need all your help to keep this forum in order. if you're a new member here, please search and read before ask any question. if you're a senior member, please don't answer any troubleshooting which is not placed on FAQ question. they won't stop asking those question if you continue answer those question.
best regards,
kurotsugi
We Need Iron Fist Back
burnt out
i'm getting lazy answering the same questions too bro
clearly, they really need to use that search button, it's getting rusty
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We Need Iron Fist Back
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Really we need it back
Don't want ics for y
I want Kelly bean
I agry wth u all ................
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Yeah. Totally. For about half a year that i'm here, totally got bored. @[email protected] I'm finding no improvements at all.
We need a Q and A section. Posting in the same thread will only make us stay put in the 'Legacy and Low Activity' devices section. There need to be threads opening up every few seconds for us to get outta this rejected low activity section and into the main frame. Only then will there be real development of this device.
I'd have to agree, especially to those porting and creating ROMs that are left/unstable and thus calling themselves devs. I think the whole forum needs a spring cleaning, and when a thread starter has already a negative reputation, I guess that's when Iron Fist should be hammered down.
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We need a Q and A section. Posting in the same thread will only make us stay put in the 'Legacy and Low Activity' devices section. There need to be threads opening up every few seconds for us to get outta this rejected low activity section and into the main frame. Only then will there be real development of this device.
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True ... !!
Even for a simple question newbie opens a new thread
U r right kuroshi
IMO FAQ thread is more than enough for this moment. if there is new section to be created, I think sgy duos development should prioritized first.
anyway, thanks for your support guys. I hope more member will join us soon.
A Duos sub-forum inside ours? Thats gotta help in our development. More threads are proportional to more development to me. Hope there'll be QnA and other version of Galaxy Y's sections soon.
I just saw two new threads
1st about rooting n
2nd about bricking galaxy y
Don't want ics for y
I want Kelly bean
imo separated sub-forum or faq thread is not effective. the problem is a lot of new member too lazy to use search button. even if we have Q&A section, if nobody give them an answer because similar question again and again, they will try to find other place to ask. we already have some people asking in dev section just because they want answer from a dev.
i agree with kurotsugi. if you are a senior member, ignore that kind of question. and if necessarily ask mod to close or delete. if questioner is a newbie, give him/her an advice to do search and ask mod to close that thread. that will be strong message : if you lazy, nobody here will help you.
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imo separated sub-forum or faq thread is not effective. the problem is a lot of new member too lazy to use search button. even if we have Q&A section, if nobody give them an answer because similar question again and again, they will try to find other place to ask. we already have some people asking in dev section just because they want answer from a dev.
i agree with kurotsugi. if you are a senior member, ignore that kind of question. and if necessarily ask mod to close or delete. if questioner is a newbie, give him/her an advice to do search and ask mod to close that thread. that will be strong message : if you lazy, nobody here will help you.
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I was going to report to senior mods but in my phone mode I can't copy threads links it gives me error
And I don't have a PC or laptpp
Can anyone give me link of xda app v2.0.0 so I can report to mods faster
And as I m biggest noob in this field i want to know wat r infractions
Don't want ics for y
I want Kelly bean
yeah.. i have even almost stopped checking the general section.. only check out the development section.
if we assume that all member here are read all the rules and search-read-try before ask any question, FAQ thread or even QA section is not needed. nevertheless, the reality is slightly different. let say, only those the 'more educated' one will do as we assume above. the other new members are usually never read the rules or even use search before post anything. in that case, we still need a FAQ thread to localize those question.
btw, I don't wanna see any harsh things here. not all of us are real devs, most of us here are still considered as newbie (including myself) who want to learn more about android stuff. personally I believe that this forum is not intended only for devs. this is a forum to share, learn, and improve all stuff about android. if you found new member posted those 'junk' question again, just kindly told him to post the question on FAQ thread, or if you don't have time to do that you can simply just ignore it.
Newbies should be responsible to read these 3 most important things
Read And Follow The Rules
Read Before PostingCommon Questions Should Be In FAQ
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Yeppie
I made our forum little bit clean by pm'ing threads link to mods
My special thanks to everyone in this thread
Keep our forum clean
To keep the section clean, I think admins should:
Close the thread and delete it. If not possible to delete, then we should have a trash bin for those threads.
Also, I agree to have a Q and A section. We all know that almost all of us haven't even seen the FAQ's - count me in.
BTW, I have viewed XDA wiki when I started here.
This thread is aimed at teaching new users the way to be able to post in a development thread WITHOUT spamming or posting rubbish and help you get along better in the development threads.
I know that this thread will probably be ignored by most users who this is aimed at, BUT if it helps teach even a few users then this has been worth it.
**As of January 2016, you no longer need to have 10 posts to be able to post in development threads. To be able to create your own thread in the development forums you will need to have 50 posts though.
If you have a thread you'd like to post into the development forum but you don't have enough posts, you can create your thread in the General section for your device and then ask a Moderator of that forum to move it into the Development forum for you.**
First, let's look at why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread ;
*They think it's the cool place to hangout.
*They think their question will be answered quicker.
*They want to say thanks to a developer for the work that they've done.
*They think their question is important and should be posted in development.
Now, let's explain the truth about the 4 points above ;
*Development threads are NOT the cool place to hangout. As this is a development forum there's no need to hangout but if you really feel the need to relax and hangout with other members, then participate in some discussions in the General section of your device.
*Your question will NOT be answered any quicker by posting it in a development thread. If you take a look at every single device forum on XDA, you'll see that the Q&A forum will always have more posts and threads than development forums will.
*While it's nice that you want to thank the developer for their hard work, making a post saying "Thanks" will only fill up the thread with useless posts. To stop this, XDA admins added a Thanks button which you will see at the bottom of every post on this forum (as long as you have made 1 post). If you're using the XDA app, just click on the relevant post and you'll see a few options appear. One of those options is "Thanks".
If you think that clicking the Thanks button is not enough then you could always donate to the developer to help them carry on development.
*While your question may well be important, it still doesn't belong in the development section. You may get flamed if you post your question there as all questions should be posted in the Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting forum. Development is only intended for development.
What's the best way for me to make 50 posts?
*As is mentioned a lot when talking about new users, the best way to make your first 50 posts is to go to your device forum and see if you can help some people in the Q&A forum. This is a great thing to do because it means you can help others learn more from you helping them with their questions. You may also gain some Thanks along the way.
*If you can't answer the questions, either because they're too hard OR others answer them too quickly, you go into your devices General forum and get involved in some discussions about your phone. This is a great thing to do because it can teach you some things which you didn't know about your device + you may be able to share what you've learnt which others may not know about. It also gives you a good introduction to your forum and the people you will see there.
*If you can't contribute towards any of the discussions either then you can also have a look around the following forums and see if you can help people in the forums aswell - General, Questions & Answers, Android General and Android Q&A.
How can I get involved with the development community?
Well, being active is the simple answer.
As you'll notice across XDA, the type of posts allowed in development threads are decided by the developer. Some developers want dev talk only. The won't want any kind of questions or general comments. Most, however, don't really mind what kind of posts go into their thread. Most will allow questions and a small amount of off topic chatter to happen within their thread. This allows a small community to grow - one who uses this certain piece of development and can help out others along the way. Getting involved in such small communities is great because you can learn a lot, help people a lot and even make your way towards those 50 posts needed to create your own thread in the development forums.
Now that you've read through this thread, you will know the best and easiest way to make your first 50 posts. If you see any other members who are not following this guidance, feel free to link them to this thread so that they can learn from it aswell. Now you're good to go!
Good job, I added a link from the new user guide. :good:
This is definitely the thing that was needed.
@KidCarter93,you have done a good job
:good: :good:
d'oh said:
Seriosly, the rule annoys me, having 10 posts does not mean you have any idea about developement...
Half of the posts in the dev threads i follow are exactly the kind of posts that are tried to prevent with this rule... The authors of the posts often have 100+ posts but show they do not have any idea...
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You are right.. if the rule wasn't there.. think what might have happened.. it prevents users from creating account and jump to development section.. it lets you understand how the site works when you are gaining 10 posts..
You can always report such posts you mentioned or you can suggest better alternative if you have one in alternative to 10 post rule thread here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2115765
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Good job, I added a link from the new user guide. :good:
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Well done mate !
Just added a link from the New members friendly Q&A thread.
Nice write up you always do a good job with these things.
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(Time And Relative Tarts In Space)
Thx for the advice
Being one of the users this thread is aimed at, I say thank you.
Your tone is friendly and not arrogant, the advice seems helpful and reasonable.
And I say this although I'm one of the users who's reason to post is not listed in your first argument about "why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread".
I actually wanted to post, to report on a currently discussed issue, that seemed to be not clear yet and help another user by linking to a thread about Link2SD to help him resolve his issue.
But I understand and accept the rules - that's why I'm off now to the Q&A for the SGA. Maybe I can share my experiences with flashing my device there
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Being one of the users this thread is aimed at, I say thank you.
Your tone is friendly and not arrogant, the advice seems helpful and reasonable.
And I say this although I'm one of the users who's reason to post is not listed in your first argument about "why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread".
I actually wanted to post, to report on a currently discussed issue, that seemed to be not clear yet and help another user by linking to a thread about Link2SD to help him resolve his issue.
But I understand and accept the rules - that's why I'm off now to the Q&A for the SGA. Maybe I can share my experiences with flashing my device there
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I'd just like to say thanks for doing things "properly". When you first posted the above comment, I kept an eye on your posts to see what you were posting. I was actually pleasently surprised to see you were posting the way this thread asks for it to be done.
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KidCarter93 said:
I'd just like to say thanks for doing things "properly". When you first posted the above comment, I kept an eye on your posts to see what you were posting. I was actually pleasently surprised to see you were posting the way this thread asks for it to be done.
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Even if I run the risk of posting the occasional "useless" post here, let me say thanks for saying thanks .
Feels good to be appreciated.
This forum is wonderful, just like most of the regulars here.
It's a pity, that for many noobs the substance of the first post is not common sense, but I guess most noobs are also noobs to life itself (unlike me ), and still have to learn the meaning of "If you wish for potatoes, you better grab a hoe!".
But you know how it is, haters gonna hate and noobs will be noobs
What about experienced devs who happen to be new to xda?
Thanks for the post, those are good points about how to make your 10 posts, but I can't help but feel a little frustrated as a long time software developer but new xda user:
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First, let's look at why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread ;
*They think it's the cool place to hangout.
*They think their question will be answered quicker.
*They want to say thanks to a developer for the work that they've done.
*They think their question is important and should be posted in development.
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The ROM I use uses XDA as their main bug reporting platform, I have a legitimate bug report to make but it's a bit annoying having to jump through hoops to report it
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Thanks for the post, those are good points about how to make your 10 posts, but I can't help but feel a little frustrated as a long time software developer but new xda user:
The ROM I use uses XDA as their main bug reporting platform, I have a legitimate bug report to make but it's a bit annoying having to jump through hoops to report it
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Well, you can pm the dev or any active user in that thread to post it in behalf of you. Or just make 10 posts as xda is more than just a single rom and you would surely like to get involved sooner or later
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Deadly said:
Well, you can pm the dev or any active user in that thread to post it in behalf of you. Or just make 10 posts as xda is more than just a single rom and you would surely like to get involved sooner or later
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Well, I wouldn't know who was best to hassle with a PM Anyway yeah I'm just bringing my post number up by answering Q&A questions, I suppose helping a few users out is "payment" for being able to use the dev forum
brainflakes said:
Thanks for the post, those are good points about how to make your 10 posts, but I can't help but feel a little frustrated as a long time software developer but new xda user:
The ROM I use uses XDA as their main bug reporting platform, I have a legitimate bug report to make but it's a bit annoying having to jump through hoops to report it
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Experienced devs could always write to a moderator and ask for the restriction to be lifted for their account. Surprisingly few do this however, but generally just start helping people and get to 10 pretty quickly.
Thank you,
mikef
XDA Senior Moderator
thanks for information
going to dhd forum to help other guys......
Notes taken :good:
I already have more than 10 posts, how come I still cant post in development?
MilkEven said:
I already have more than 10 posts, how come I still cant post in development?
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Sometimes it can take up to an hour before your able to post in development because of the system refreshing itself.
If it becomes over an hour since your tenth post, your best option would be to contact a moderator who could then get it sorted for you
Your question shouldn't have been asked in here though.
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hey guys, i got now 10 posts, but still cannot post in developer forum :/
*edit* ... already answered... im stupid
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hey guys, i got now 10 posts, but still cannot post in developer forum :/
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KidCarter93 said:
Sometimes it can take up to an hour before your able to post in development because of the system refreshing itself.
If it becomes over an hour since your tenth post, your best option would be to contact a moderator who could then get it sorted for you
Your question shouldn't have been asked in here though.
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Developer frustration
I totally see the point... BUT: As a developer wanting to help by sharing modules/code on a development thread I was thwarted by the ten post rule.
Sure, I can take the time to "help" in other threads so that I can ultimately help in the thread that I originally intended but it makes me wonder how many skilled developers are refraining from helping simply because they don't have the time or inclination to get to the ten post count.
In the spirit of helping people that are having the same problem as I had (that drove me to develop the module I'm planning on posting) I will persevere.
Yes, i know that everyone of you (examples below) have very important question, that deserves separate thread, but, for God sake, don't spam the forum!!! (yes, my thread is meant to be provocative...). There is Q And A for Ace II thread for most of that questions...
Examples:
"[Q] How to root Ace gt-i8160 with BTU MC8?" (yes, it freakin' special technique to root phone working on that firmware)
"[Q] It is possible Update to JB?" (oh yeah, nobody answers that question so far, it required new thread)
"[Q] PIT?" (yes, that question probably would be ignored in q & a thread... the same way its ignored in separate thread)
"[Q] Change camera settings?" (veeeery important, no comment)
and so on...
Am I the only one here tired of all that spam?
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Yes, i know that everyone of you (examples below) have very important question, that deserves separate thread, but, for God sake, don't spam the forum!!! (yes, my thread is meant to be provocative...). There is Q And A for Ace II thread for most of that questions...
Examples:
"[Q] How to root Ace gt-i8160 with BTU MC8?" (yes, it freakin' special technique to root phone working on that firmware)
"[Q] It is possible Update to JB?" (oh yeah, nobody answers that question so far, it required new thread)
"[Q] PIT?" (yes, that question probably would be ignored in q & a thread... the same way its ignored in separate thread)
"[Q] Change camera settings?" (veeeery important, no comment)
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Am I the only one here tired of all that spam?
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+1 :good:
I totally feel you man. People are behaving here like it's some technical support not respecting the rules they agreed to accept while registering here. Constant mess, chatting in threads, useless posts about personal feelings, asking questions which require spending 10 seconds with Google or forum search function. But the saddest thing here is that it seems like people who want to keep forums clean are actually minority here. Or at least they are instantly quenched by those who have to quote entire-page-long post to say only "thanks" and are raged about being offended and abused.
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I totally feel you man. People are behaving here like it's some technical support not respecting the rules they agreed to accept while registering here. Constant mess, chatting in threads, useless posts about personal feelings, asking questions which require spending 10 seconds with Google or forum search function. But the saddest thing here is that it seems like people who want to keep forums clean are actually minority here. Or at least they are instantly quenched by those who have to quote entire-page-long post to say only "thanks" and are raged about being offended and abused.
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Exactly. Its like they're on Facebook or this forums is like a social networking site to them.
Ask the forum moderators to make this thread a sticky. So that everyone can see it.
How about if we just ignore (and report) any new useless thread and be a little more active in the Q&A Thread?
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How about if we just ignore (and report) any new useless thread
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That's a good solution. Were not annoyed but the mods are. What do think? LOL.
Leave them alone and just try and point them to the right direction. If they do it again, report that user. I'm active on Q and A but some are just "you know" I don't really want to talk to people who you'd still have to walk through every little detail. I'm not good with explaining myself so I tend to ignore posts that ask me to do just that.
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very right. i don't know why any people always post a new post to ask? some question is spam! made our forum is do not beautiful, it's make messy and not subtle. I know if always report any spam question make they be bothered. i don't think out solution for now
YEAH! thats is why i created the All about ace2 for GB and JB to lessen this problem anyway its way to many to report each same question or post
I'll try to enlighten all of you... BECAUSE THE Q&A THREAD DOESN'T WORK!!!
Until I see a forum moderator saying that all the question should be posted there I will never do it again (only done it once) and I'll explain why:
1. To make any Q&A thread work we would expect someone to maintain and index on it, but this isn't the case here.
2. Posts are ignored because they get lost in all the discussions going on there.
3. Answers are lost because most of the time no one knows if the answer is to your question or to the question 2 posts below yours.
4. Search is impossible if you don't know the exact words used.
Maybe the reasons above are part of the motive other devices have a specific areas for questions, like "Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting" that have 3000 posts in it... Trying to make it all fit on 1 thread is completely useless and extremely confusing. No one can expect a user to go thru 100 pages trying to find an answer to his question.
Now picking up on the 1st question, let me make another one...
Why do some users in this forum spend more time "demanding" people to post where they think is right other then helping people?
If we were a bit more friendly maybe more people would stay and help out, instead we just drive people out with this kind of aggressive and unjustified comments.
mcjpt said:
I'll try to enlighten all of you... BECAUSE THE Q&A THREAD DOESN'T WORK!!!
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You have right, partially.
But the questions are left without answers for several reasons:
- the answer was posted before
- nobody know the answer
- the answer is easy to achieve just by checking by oneself.
mcjpt said:
Why do some users in this forum spend more time "demanding" people to post where they think is right other then helping people?
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Did you see a policeman helping a thief to break the law only for one reason: to be nice, kind and helpful?? And this is what you propose.
Answering your question: Because i want to keep our subforum CLEAN. How many of that "new question threads" was already answered (sometimes in SEPARATE, dedicated thread)? And what you propose is to help other breaking the rules.
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If we were a bit more friendly maybe more people would stay and help out, instead we just drive people out with this kind of aggressive and unjustified comments.
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There are forums where people are banned for breaking rules, trust me, and "illegall threads" land where it belongs: in trashcan.
Chill out! Just go here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2321168 why?
simple... almost any developments are here pack in one for easy access.. to make it less confusing..
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I'll try to enlighten all of you... BECAUSE THE Q&A THREAD DOESN'T WORK!!!
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Really? I think it doesn't work because people like you never learn. Questions are answered there - that's the purpose. And that purpose is served.
Questions are lost because some can't answer them, or its too easy if you learned to read and simply because the question itself is dumb (the answer is obvious yet they choose to post it)
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Until I see a forum moderator saying that all the question should be posted there I will never do it again
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actually, one of our forum mods, The Captain - is reminding new users to post on the Q and A thread then he locks the thread.
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4. Search is impossible if you don't know the exact words used.
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Uhhm. I use search and never had any problems so far. I'm guessing you really don't know how to use a search engine productively.
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Maybe the reasons above are part of the motive other devices have a specific areas for questions, like "Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting" that have 3000 posts in it... Trying to make it all fit on 1 thread is completely useless and extremely confusing. No one can expect a user to go thru 100 pages trying to find an answer to his question.
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Since we don't have a section like that, I think its better to use a single thread. thus searching would be faster.
mcjpt said:
Why do some users in this forum spend more time "demanding" people to post where they think is right other then helping people?
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In all honesty, I usually tell the user the answer and direct them to the q and a thread for any other questions irrelevant to the question on the thread.
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hey
i want to learn how to make android kernel like the rom developers
what i need to learn first? (i want to dev to i9305 first)
what the programing langue that used for android kernels?
ussl said:
hey
i want to learn how to make android kernel like the rom developers
what i need to learn first? (i want to dev to i9305 first)
what the programing langue that used for android kernels?
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To compile a kernel : http://xda-university.com/as-a-developer/getting-started-building-a-kernel-from-source
Android kernels (which are actually linux kernels) are written in C.
Hacking kernels is not the easiest thing to do for beginner programmers. You need to know a bit about the underlying hardware and debugging is difficult, it's also more risky than app development so know you recovery procedures. Now, disregard what I just said and do it, it's very rewarding.
ussl said:
hey
i want to learn how to make android kernel like the rom developers
what i need to learn first? (i want to dev to i9305 first)
what the programing langue that used for android kernels?
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What part of "Developers Only" in the forum title did you not understand? This is not a Q&A thread for n00bs. For that you need to post in the Q&A section.
TheATHEiST said:
What part of "Developers Only" in the forum title did you not understand? This is not a Q&A thread for n00bs. For that you need to post in the Q&A section.
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Well while you might be partly right about the q&a he cant get the information need from there either. So let him try to join the developer sections if he can manage to do it. No one is a noob forever unless we are pains in the butt and dont help/let them grow and learn.
While I dont know everything about developing I can help you some fell free to PM me or hit me up via hangouts ([email protected]) include your issues/desires when you hit me up since I help whoever I can and cant always keep track of everyone who contacts me. Also dont let people keep you from trying because then we would never have new development or developers. No disrespect @TheATHEiST but damn cut a noob some slack and help out or be quite.
TheATHEiST said:
What part of "Developers Only" in the forum title did you not understand? This is not a Q&A thread for n00bs. For that you need to post in the Q&A section.
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jlmancuso said:
Well while you might be partly right about the q&a he cant get the information need from there either. So let him try to join the developer sections if he can manage to do it. No one is a noob forever unless we are pains in the butt and dont help/let them grow and learn.
While I dont know everything about developing I can help you some fell free to PM me or hit me up via hangouts ([email protected]) include your issues/desires when you hit me up since I help whoever I can and cant always keep track of everyone who contacts me. Also dont let people keep you from trying because then we would never have new development or developers. No disrespect @TheATHEiST but damn cut a noob some slack and help out or be quite.
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You basically just proved my point. You're not a developer but are willing to help him so it proves that he could have simply posted in the correct section which is the Q&A.
He and other n00bs have absolutely no place in a "Developers Only" thread. It quite clearly says so.
It's not about "cutting them some slack" It's about asking them to post in correct sections and NO I will not be "quite" or quiet.
XDA is a mess and hard to sift out info already without you adding to it by basically telling n00bs it's ok to post wherever they want to.
TheATHEiST said:
You basically just proved my point. You're not a developer but are willing to help him so it proves that he could have simply posted in the correct section which is the Q&A.
He and other n00bs have absolutely no place in a "Developers Only" thread. It quite clearly says so.
It's not about "cutting them some slack" It's about asking them to post in correct sections and NO I will not be "quite" or quiet.
XDA is a mess and hard to sift out info already without you adding to it by basically telling n00bs it's ok to post wherever they want to.
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Where is your creds as a dev? Do you have any right to even post here either? You been a member since 08 and given back what? Are you a mod? So take care and talk to you latter funny guy.
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jlmancuso said:
Well while you might be partly right about the q&a he cant get the information need from there either. So let him try to join the developer sections if he can manage to do it. No one is a noob forever unless we are pains in the butt and dont help/let them grow and learn.
While I dont know everything about developing I can help you some fell free to PM me or hit me up via hangouts ([email protected]) include your issues/desires when you hit me up since I help whoever I can and cant always keep track of everyone who contacts me. Also dont let people keep you from trying because then we would never have new development or developers. No disrespect @TheATHEiST but damn cut a noob some slack and help out or be quite.
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jlmancuso said:
Where is your creds as a dev? Do you have any right to even post here either? You been a member since 08 and given back what? Are you a mod? So take care and talk to you latter funny guy.
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At what part did I assert that I was a Dev or a mod???
I was replying to a thread, I was not creating a topic, there is a BIG difference. If a n00b doesn't read a topic title and nobody replies to let him know he is posting in wrong place how is he going to know?
So don't take care and I will not talk to you later funny guy.
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At what part did I assert that I was a Dev or a mod???
I was replying to a thread, I was not creating a topic, there is a BIG difference. If a n00b doesn't read a topic title and nobody replies to let him know he is posting in wrong place how is he going to know?
So don't take care and I will not talk to you later funny guy.
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garyd9 said:
This area is currently experimental and was set up by the XDA Administrators for development discussion. The idea in this section is for developers (not only recognized developers, but all developers) to have a place for discussion threads to "talk shop." What kind of talk? Some topics (that I'm making up as I type this) might include (and are certainly not limited to):
Overriding the power widget in the notification dropdown
Considerations of using gcc versions other than 4.4.3 for compiling the kernel
Exynos: discussion on working around the SOC wake from sleep delay
This isn't a Q&A forum. However, developers might kick off discussions with a question. The difference? This belongs in Q&A: "My phone wakes up slow, will it go faster if I take my sdcard out?" On the other hand, the following might belong in this new section: "Has anyone tried adjusting the mmc detection timeouts to see if there's an impact on the SOC wakeup delays?" The assumption here is that the person asking the latter question actually knows what a mmc detection timeout is, how they'd change it, and has started to play around with it before posting the question.
As well, this section is not for posting finished products or "advertising" of kernels, apps, etc. This section is to discuss the process, not for the end result.
The hope (at least my own hope) is that developers can discuss things here instead of resorting the various other methods of communication we've used. At the same time, newer developers and even non-developers can LEARN from the conversations and eventually participate.
Depending on the reception (and difficulty moderating, probably) this experiment will either be expanded for other device types, completely shut down as a failure, or adjusted. Obviously, if we developers don't use it, it might be considered a waste of time and dissolved.
This section will be very closely moderated by moderators who are also developers and non-development discussion will be harshly dealt with.
I REALLY hope this will encourage more devs to spend time with open communication. This is XDA-Developers. Let's do development.
Edit (Jan 8th, 2013):
Clarifying "finished products" above: The threads in this section will likely spawn off or involve distinct programs/kernels/firmwares , and once a distinct product results, a separate thread
outside of this section should be created for supporting that distinct product. A link to that thread is welcome in the source thread here, but this section shouldn't be used to contain support or release posts.
Take care
Gary
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So this is the section rules. Note statement that mod will watch closely and even states it will help promote development.
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jlmancuso said:
So this is the section rules. Note statement that mod will watch closely and even states it will help promote development.
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Yes but It's not a place for complete newbies to ask basic questions. Those can easily just be asked via the standard Q&A forum. This forum is for devs to discuss development. In my opinion a dev as far as XDA goes is somebody with some sort of level of experience in kernels or roms. Somebody who has experience in neither should post in non-dev forums until they have correct level of experience. There is also a XDA Uni section for newbies to learn this stuff.
This forum is for developers which have some sort of level of experience to ask/discuss.
Plus this question was a general question and not really n7100/05 specific so needs to be in general Android Q&A.
TheATHEiST said:
Yes but It's not a place for complete newbies to ask basic questions. Those can easily just be asked via the standard Q&A forum. This forum is for devs to discuss development. In my opinion a dev as far as XDA goes is somebody with some sort of level of experience in kernels or roms. Somebody who has experience in neither should post in non-dev forums until they have correct level of experience. There is also a XDA Uni section for newbies to learn this stuff.
This forum is for developers which have some sort of level of experience to ask/discuss.
Plus this question was a general question and not really n7100/05 specific so needs to be in general Android Q&A.
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So you think this is a n7100/05 section also? This section is lined to dozens of samsung devices on xda. So leave the moderating to the mods. While I do find conversations with users like you interesting I got to go help others for now.
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jlmancuso said:
So you think this is a n7100/05 section also? This section is lined to dozens of samsung devices on xda. So leave the moderating to the mods. While I do find conversations with users like you interesting I got to go help others for now.
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Run along and play.
PS. I did leave the moderating to the mods, which is why it's been moved to correct section as per my original point Mr smartypants.
This thread has turned into EXACTLY what I didn't want when I envisioned the section...
ussl said:
i want to learn how to make android kernel like the rom developers
what i need to learn first? (i want to dev to i9305 first)
what the programing langue that used for android kernels?
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As has already been quoted, the area is for developers. No, not just RD's, but all developers. However, I've yet to meet a developer that doesn't take the time to research something before they ask questions. In this case, it's pretty obvious that you either aren't a developer, or that you haven't taken any time whatsoever to research the topic first. Have you even bothered to download the kernel source? That's a pretty big giveaway as to what language is used. As well, most source packages give hints as to which compiler is needed (and usually has a strong indication which toolset is preferred.)
I'm not posting this to be nasty - I'm posting it so that you (and others) can understand why this post can cause some pretty caustic replies. I'm a developer myself (and XDA has seen fit to label me as such,) but if I post a question that indicates I've done ZERO research and ZERO searching... and then post it in a section clearly labeled as "for developers only".. I can be assured that I'll get flamed as well.
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What part of "Developers Only" in the forum title did you not understand? This is not a Q&A thread for n00bs. For that you need to post in the Q&A section.
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I didn't bother to quote the rest of your replies... but perhaps simply reporting the post and a quick note that you think it's in the wrong section might be a enough? Even if this thread survives moderation, your replies likely won't...
Take care
Gary