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Visit Groubal and sign the petition: http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
Retweet: http://twitter.com/#!/ibproud/status/52265679990169600
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/unlockmoto
UPDATE (14th June 2011):
We are now over the 10,000 mark.
I have now spoken with Motorola and gotten confirmation that Motorola plan to unlock every device that will get an update in the second half of this year. This will include maintenance & firmware updates, but is still subject to Carrier approval.
The promising sign is that Verizon has already allowed Motorola to unlock a device on their network, the Xoom, which utilizes the unlockable/re-lockable model that Motorola intends on using across their devices.
I'm still looking to work with Motorola in the coming months to help see if we can make this a smooth process for Motorola and the community.
You can read the article here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/06/14/an-u...witter&utm_campaign=Feed:+ausdroid+(Ausdroid)
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
UPDATE (26th April 2011):
We are now at ~8,700 mark.
Motorola has now responded to me, stating that they are looking at unlocking bootloaders across their devices late 2011.
The article for the story can be found here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/04/26/the-little-aussie-taking-on-motorola-u-s/#more-8184
We're still seeking clarity around whether this will be for current devices or only future devices.
I couldn't have gotten this far without the support of everyone here. You guys and girls have been a huge support and help me turn this snowball into a wrecking ball.
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
Previous Update (4th April 2011):
We are now at ~7600 mark.
We're starting to slow down from our initial boom, so I have now set up a Facebook page to see if we can wrangle in some supporters that don't use Twitter or XDA.
I will need your help getting this out there. So share the facebook page where you can.
I'm also looking to see if anyone is interested in helping me Moderate the page. Please PM if you are.
Original Post:
Hi All,
I have created a Groubal (online petition) to get a response from Motorola on it's bootloader policy.
>>This petition started for the Atrix, but I made sure that it was for Motorola's overall Bootloader Policy. I have reached 200 signatures in 2 weeks, but now believe it's time to expand this out of the Atrix space and into the larger Motorola Dev community.
Just signed the petition.
It could be me but non of your links work
How could you sign the petiton dedraks?
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It could be me but non of your links work
How could you sign the petiton dedraks?
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Thanks for the heads up on that. I'll be more careful when copying and pasting links.
Let's try this:
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
spamnco said:
It could be me but non of your links work
How could you sign the petiton dedraks?
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Use this shor link: http://4by.in/4
Not that it'll make any difference but your petition is more likely to be taken seriously if comments like that of 'rich fraley' weren't included.
Signed, at length...
Step666 said:
Not that it'll make any difference but your petition is more likely to be taken seriously if comments like that of 'rich fraley' weren't included.
Signed, at length...
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Yeah, agreed. I tried seeing if I could at least censor the comment, but no dice.
Thanks for you're support guys. I've always been a big fan of the saying "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar".
Famous idea. You got the sign.
i have signed
Not to kill the cause... but the issue isnt really with motorola... Isnt it with the service providers who would rather have the bootloaders on the phones locked so they can sell us services we could install for free... ie Wi-fi Calling, Tethering..
I think Motorola's hands are tied.. their customers are the service providers.
Would it make more sense to harass t-mobile and the likes over this?
Signed as well.
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Not to kill the cause... but the issue isnt really with motorola... Isnt it with the service providers who would rather have the bootloaders on the phones locked so they can sell us services we could install for free... ie Wi-fi Calling, Tethering..
I think Motorola's hands are tied.. their customers are the service providers.
Would it make more sense to harass t-mobile and the likes over this?
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On all phones that have locked and encrypted bootloaders, I don't think there's been one that couldn't be rooted. Once rooted, you have access to all the Tethering and WiFi Calling apps out there. So it could be the case, but all unlocking the bootloader does is let you use custom kernels that form the base of alternative roms. So bloatware be damned, it can removed fairly quickly and without even touching the bootloader.
It would be more for warranty claims, that's why the padlock picture on the very first screen's the way to go. That way if a phone is damaged due to modification, the carrier/manufacturer can turn you away due to voided warranty.
signed the partition to
i am looking into the legal side of the locked bootloader to see if theirs any loop holes in locking a phone when the manufacture is part of the open handset alliance
but i think the fastest way of the bootloader being unencrypted is to put up a cash reward for the person that unlocks it.
maybe if we can raise £1000 it might spur someone on to go the extra mile
ketonkss4 said:
Not to kill the cause... but the issue isnt really with motorola... Isnt it with the service providers who would rather have the bootloaders on the phones locked so they can sell us services we could install for free... ie Wi-fi Calling, Tethering..
I think Motorola's hands are tied.. their customers are the service providers.
Would it make more sense to harass t-mobile and the likes over this?
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So why is my unlocked/un-branded Defy that is in no way tied to any network also cursed with a locked bootloader?
And if the networks are demanding it, how come not every manufacturer is crippling their handsets in this way?
This is a decision Motorola have made, no-one else.
#UnlockMoto
Thanks :-D
You can also join the #UnlockMoto campain and spread the word on social media networks like Twitter as well as on modding forums and such.
Start by joining the #UnlockMoto Campain for Motorola Unlocked Bootloaders! here: http://twb.ly/UnlockMoto.
Then read: http://bit.ly/UnlockMotoPage
done, signed
signed!!!
Just signed.
adlx.xda said:
Thanks :-D
You can also join the #UnlockMoto campain and spread the word on social media networks like Twitter as well as on modding forums and such.
Start by joining the #UnlockMoto Campain for Motorola Unlocked Bootloaders! here: http://twb.ly/UnlockMoto.
Then read: http://bit.ly/UnlockMotoPage
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Thanks for posting dude, i've been sending out a tweet for the 2 causes.
Retweet:
http://twitter.com/#!/ibproud/status/50306686350655488
Just got this via twitter:
http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-...itterwp&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter
Microsoft and the ChevronWP7 unlock team are teaming up to produce a low-cost developer unlock tool.
The tool will make Windows Phone development more accessible and allow developers to avoid the typical $99 per year cost of becoming a full Windows Phone developer. “The service will require a small fee to offset costs,” says ChevronWP7. “We assure you it will be more affordable than the App Hub.” ChevronWP7 recommends that those who wish to write and publish apps immediately should sign up to the App Hub.
“One of our goals was to make Windows Phone development more accessible,” said a statement from ChevronWP7 on Friday. “Plans have recently solidified and we can now reveal a solution we’ve been working on.” The developers didn’t release too many details on the unlock tool but it’s thought that the tool will simply allow developers to unlock their devices and experiment with applications before signing up to publish apps. ChevronWP7 has launched a “labs” section on its website, where it promises more information soon.
Microsoft originally blocked the ChevronWP7 application that unlocks Windows Phone 7 devices for homebrew third-party applications. Microsoft representatives met with Rafael Rivera and Long Zheng of the ChevronWP7 team earlier this year to discuss the tool and Microsoft’s plans to support homebrew applications on Windows Phone 7. ChevronWP7 famously released their Windows Phone 7 “unlock” tool in late Novermber that allowed owners to side load home-brew applications. The tool, named ChevronWP7, used a method to trick the OS into registering itself as a Windows Phone 7 developer device with the application rather than Microsoft directly. Microsoft normally charges $99 a year for the privilege of loading developer applications. ChevronWP7 pulled the tool at Microsoft’s request just two weeks after it was originally released. It was later revealed that Windows Phone 7 devices “phone home” after around two weeks to re-lock unofficial developer devices, rendering the tool useless.
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Watch this site for more info:
http://labs.chevronwp7.com/
but the closed hole of chevron after two weeks wasn't "microsoft" per se, only till nodo did microsoft completely close the hole. Even the chevron group publicly said that...
otherwise I would be eager to try it if I didn't have a student account but 3 xaps is horrid
Why are you complaing? Its good thing microsidt are with them.
Sent from my 7 Mozart T8698 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
andoridkiller said:
Why are you complaing? Its good thing microsidt are with them.
Sent from my 7 Mozart T8698 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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no one is complaining...
If your previous post wasn't a complaint, then I'm afraid I don't understand what you were trying to say.
An officially approved, permanent unlocking solution is coming very soon. The ChevronWP7 team has already confirmed that it won't be done through the App Hub (so it won't expire in a year), and the one-time small fee will go to the Chevron team, not Microsoft, and is only being charged to cover their hard work over the past several months. They did the work, not Microsoft.
The only thing this solution won't do is allow someone to publish to the Marketplace. That will still require a paid (or student) developer license.
I think its great that MS is supporting this and look forward to kicking a few nickels over to the Chevron team for their work.
I am impressed by MS and how cool they have become.
Power in numbers
Hey Guys,
my guess is, ms turned chevron to go white hat because they try to gain momentum in the app market and therefore have to present an appealing platform for devs by keeping piracy in check and making sure those pale, hardworking guys get their bucks rolling. As far as I understand, chevrons new and official unlocker will be a paid app to drag even those devs into the boat, which are unable or unwilled to pay for a ms dev account while on the other side keeping in check, that this solution wont be a backdoor to sideload pirated apps from the market. This approach would take some amount of security integration and maybe some new kind of app-drm or how ever you may call it. Till now this is mere speculation and just my two cents to the topic
Paid unlock feels totally wrong. Especially if it's just an unlock, without a service like Cydia. I personally don't mind paying for software and services, and it's not the $99 price tag that's stopping me from going the official route, but the paperwork hassle.
But requiring payment for jailbreaking is totally unacceptable, IMO.
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If your previous post wasn't a complaint, then I'm afraid I don't understand what you were trying to say.
An officially approved, permanent unlocking solution is coming very soon. The ChevronWP7 team has already confirmed that it won't be done through the App Hub (so it won't expire in a year), and the one-time small fee will go to the Chevron team, not Microsoft, and is only being charged to cover their hard work over the past several months. They did the work, not Microsoft.
The only thing this solution won't do is allow someone to publish to the Marketplace. That will still require a paid (or student) developer license.
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1. correction of the article which noted microsoft closed the hole 2 weeks later. They didn't until nodo [edit whoopsie misread that one]
2. I said openly I was intrigued by the idea, and even if I have a student account I'm still intrigued
With this I will can use File Manager with full access (more than documents, windows folders) for LG Optimus 7?
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With this I will can use File Manager with full access (more than documents, windows folders) for LG Optimus 7?
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I doubt it
what does evry1 here think they will charge? coz $1 to $98 is a huge range.
i would be more than happy to pay a one off fee of no more than £10.....
but then again if its a one off fee and the unlock is perpetual through all updates
i may pay a bit more..
ps. happy fathers day to all the dads
yeah but don't you have to pay to jailbreak now? IMO it's not worth it. i was hoping this would allow custom UI's and such but it just seems micro$oft found yet another way to milk the cash cow.
Great news!
Sent from my OMNIA7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
fixxxer2008 said:
yeah but don't you have to pay to jailbreak now? IMO it's not worth it. i was hoping this would allow custom UI's and such but it just seems micro$oft found yet another way to milk the cash cow.
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You should have read the thread completely. It's not Microsoft that charges the users for the tool, but the Chevron team.
I for one consider it a great possibility to pay a one time fee and then be able to write applications for my device and use them on it.
dkp1977 said:
You should have read the thread completely. It's not Microsoft that charges the users for the tool, but the Chevron team.
I for one consider it a great possibility to pay a one time fee and then be able to write applications for my device and use them on it.
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I know. That's exactly what I've been trying to tell people, but everyone around here seems so eager to jump on the extremely misguided "I've been betrayed! They're thieves!" train. I could go on about that particular topic, but what's the point. Let the bitter people enjoy their bitterness.
I'll gladly pay the one-time small fee (I think the Chevron team more than deserves it), and then I'll have a permanently unlocked phone. Even after Mango is released. Even if I have to hard reset some time in the future.
Thank You.
Thank you MS and the Chevron team for coming up with this solution. Good for you Microsoft.
sounds good but...
http://www.withinwindows.com/2011/06/20/short-windows-phone-mango-blocks-interop-services-apps/
I read this the other night and I would like to know what effect this will have on apps sideloaded with Chevronlabs.
It will most likely affect them in the exact same way it affects official app hub developer unlocked phones.
From everything they have told us so far, phones unlocked with the new Chevron service will behave exactly the same as app hub unlocked phones. The only difference will be that you won't be able to submit apps to the marketplace.
So, whatever works on an app hub unlocked phone will work on a Chevron unlocked phone, and anything that doesn't work on one, won't work on the other.
Anyone used it?
http://wmpoweruser.com/samsung-omnia-7-mango-flashing-tool-available/
if i understand, this is SIM unlock...
dxdy said:
if i understand, this is SIM unlock...
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This is SIM unlock on the video, they promise to release a proper Mango flashing tool once they get 1000 followers.
http://twitter.com/#!/SamFirmware/status/110454816890818560/photo/1
dont know but dont belive him... hope i was wrong
It's out!
https://twitter.com/#!/SFUnlock
It was already out before they uploaded it their website...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1249329
kkw620 said:
It was already out before they uploaded it their website...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1249329
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Yeah I've seen that thread. From the comments it's a branded ROM so I'll pass. It's a shame Microsoft is taking so long, I thought they would have made to sure to have it out before Apple announces the iPhone 5.
Peew971 said:
It's a shame Microsoft is taking so long, I thought they would have made to sure to have it out before Apple announces the iPhone 5.
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It's not MS, it's the OEM's. Mango is already RTM aka Released to Manufacturers.
Manufacturers = OEM's = HTC/LG/Samsung/Dell/Nokia/Etc.
drkfngthdragnlrd said:
It's not MS, it's the OEM's. Mango is already RTM aka Released to Manufacturers.
Manufacturers = OEM's = HTC/LG/Samsung/Dell/Nokia/Etc.
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What do you mean it's the OEM's? I'm talking about releasing the update to existing phones, the green light is up to Microsoft isn't it? At least for unlocked/unbranded phones it might be.
Peew971 said:
What do you mean it's the OEM's? I'm talking about releasing the update to existing phones, the green light is up to Microsoft isn't it? At least for unlocked/unbranded phones it might be.
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MS released it to OEM's. MS has officially stated it is now in their hands.
Peew971 said:
What do you mean it's the OEM's? I'm talking about releasing the update to existing phones, the green light is up to Microsoft isn't it? At least for unlocked/unbranded phones it might be.
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Even unlocked/unbranded phones need to have hardware-specific updates from the OEMs completed before Microsoft releases the official update.
Yeah I know that but evidently some updates are ready (Omnia 7 for instance, we also heard the HTC ones might be done). There would be no harm in releasing these, it would at least ensure deployment is gradual.
Sent from my Samsung Omnia 7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
Peew971 said:
Yeah I know that but evidently some updates are ready (Omnia 7 for instance, we also heard the HTC ones might be done). There would be no harm in releasing these, it would at least ensure deployment is gradual.
Sent from my Samsung Omnia 7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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Here's what happens. MS RTM's Mango. OEM's than test & make their customizations. OEM's submit this back to MS to verify. MS verifies their updates to meet quality of end user experience. MS than signs the update with a security certificate & puts the update on their server. If the OEM changes cause problems/bugs, it's returned to the OEM to be fixed. The end of the story is it's up to the OEM to make their updates/changes/customizations in a timely manor & without major/noticeable problems.
Like I said I know how the system works but surely Microsoft is/would hold back on ready updates to release them all at the same time. As evidence, the Omnia 7 update is ready, would have been nice to have it out straightaway.
Sent from my Samsung Omnia 7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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Like I said I know how the system works but surely Microsoft is/would hold back on ready updates to release them all at the same time. As evidence, the Omnia 7 update is ready, would have been nice to have it out straightaway.
Sent from my Samsung Omnia 7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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I'd doubt they're holding it back. Please give the source of this rumor.
EDIT: The only thing I'm seeing is there's a firmware update for the Omnia 7 to make it "Mango Ready" & fix some bugs. Considering this & all the issues Samsung WP7 devices have had with their Firmware, I highly doubt they have Mango ready & if they do, it'll probably fail the quality control check. Isn't there still Focus v1.3(?) users who still don't have NoDo?
drkfngthdragnlrd said:
Isn't there still Focus v1.3(?) users who still don't have NoDo?
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All Focus users are (finally) able to receive NoDo. However, Focus 1.3 users still have not received the 7392 security update, despite it being available to every other WP7 device for four months.
Regarding the Omnia 7 rumor, if the update were officially ready, it would appear on the "Where is my phone update page". There is a separate section for "open market phones". Since nothing appears there (in fact, there is no Mango column at all yet), I think it is safe to assume that the update isn't ready.
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All Focus users are (finally) able to receive NoDo. However, Focus 1.3 users still have not received the 7392 security update, despite it being available to every other WP7 device for four months.
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Ah, okay, thanks for the clarification. I knew I heard something about them not receiving an update.
Looks like I was right regarding Microsoft holding back the Mango update, that seems so obvious to me as we know the HTC updates are ready, they were leaked. The Samsung ones are probably ready too. Now this info comes out from Vodafone Australia, they're done testing the update and are waiting on Microsoft to deliver it:
http://www.wpcentral.com/vodafone-austrailia-finishes-mango-testing-awaiting-green-light?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wmexperts+%28wpcentral%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
drkfngthdragnlrd said:
Here's what happens. MS RTM's Mango. OEM's than test & make their customizations. OEM's submit this back to MS to verify. MS verifies their updates to meet quality of end user experience. MS than signs the update with a security certificate & puts the update on their server. If the OEM changes cause problems/bugs, it's returned to the OEM to be fixed. The end of the story is it's up to the OEM to make their updates/changes/customizations in a timely manor & without major/noticeable problems.
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HTC already said their Mango ROMs are ready to go. So his question was valid. Why aren't the unlocked/unbranded HTC phones getting Mango, yet?
Peew971 said:
Looks like I was right regarding Microsoft holding back the Mango update, that seems so obvious to me as we know the HTC updates are ready, they were leaked. The Samsung ones are probably ready too. Now this info comes out from Vodafone Australia, they're done testing the update and are waiting on Microsoft to deliver it:
http://www.wpcentral.com/vodafone-austrailia-finishes-mango-testing-awaiting-green-light?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wmexperts+%28wpcentral%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
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That is what I've been saying as well. I believe they have been waiting until everyone is ready (or at least the big players) before announcing the update, in order to avoid the bad press that the NoDo fiasco brought.
HTC and Samsung are both ready (the combination of leaked ROMs and Mango updates to their marketplace apps supports this idea). Now we know that Vodafone is ready, and it wouldn't surprise me if (gasp!) AT&T is also ready, after reading their press release from Monday. So the question is, what about the rest of the carriers and current handset makers? And is there any reason they would hold back until Nokia announces their new offerings?
For those that find it too annoying to go back to 7004 and use chevron unlock all the way to mango.. Who's excited that Chevron labs opens in a few weeks? 9 bucks gets you infinite unlocks for ONE phone, and keeps your warranty intact.
As an avid homebrew lover, and windows phone fan. I'm pretty hyped to get to unlock my phone for cheap and not have to pay 100 to get it done.
Even interop will work? Registry editor?
no interop
kinda pointless for certain devs imo, but i'm not a dev, so i won't know
Ithink you should not worry about interop unlock, it will come, I am excited about chevronwp7's next release.
blanket said:
no interop
kinda pointless for certain devs imo, but i'm not a dev, so i won't know
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Yeah I'm not a dev either, but I do love the homebrew scene.
We've waited a long time for this. I'm interested in what this can do without forking over $99 on an annual basis. The only drawback that I can see using someone elses homebrew is the 'user beware' clauses, some apps may even have adverse effects. Looking forward to testing some simple apps of my own on the device.
It won't let you use a lot of the current homebrew apps, but it should make things like emulators feasible.
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Ok guys, I have an HTC HD7 and it's now half bricked ( When I go to bootloader, I only have one line and I can't flash the phone anymore, but mango still working without issue).
I would like to know if it will be possible with Chevron Labs to unlock the phone even if it's half bricked or fix it so that I can flash the phone or deploy xap file?
Thanks in advance....
foxibs said:
Ok guys, I have an HTC HD7 and it's now half bricked ( When I go to bootloader, I only have one line and I can't flash the phone anymore, but mango still working without issue).
I would like to know if it will be possible with Chevron Labs to unlock the phone even if it's half bricked or fix it so that I can flash the phone or deploy xap file?
Thanks in advance....
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I would say that anyone here cant answer that, since we dont even have the tools yet.
sorry I'm new to wp7 here and I have one question. does chevronwp7 let me download any app on the market? if not what does it do? I heard it allows sideloading or something but I don't really get it. can someone explain chevron to me in simple words? sorry for the trouble.
Judging by the Chevron Labs site, it looks like its available now...
http://labs.chevronwp7.com/
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Judging by the Chevron Labs site, it looks like its available now...
http://labs.chevronwp7.com/
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I want to know what apps we can sideload using the chevron?
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Judging by the Chevron Labs site, it looks like its available now...
http://labs.chevronwp7.com/
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Seems to be, I won't get to try it till I get home, but I've registered with my Live account and it's providing the next steps for me.
registering now
Excited, bought it, tried to install. Failed with non-specific error.
Sadness.
Will try to dig into later when I have some more time.
iwanthp said:
sorry I'm new to wp7 here and I have one question. does chevronwp7 let me download any app on the market? if not what does it do? I heard it allows sideloading or something but I don't really get it. can someone explain chevron to me in simple words? sorry for the trouble.
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Chevron: An official way to install apps that are not available in the Marketplace (homebrew apps) and follow the same development rules with all the other apps inside the Marketplace.
It is mostly designed for amateur developers and enthusiasts to test their apps, so, it's not a big deal for the rest of us.
You seemed to miss the point of it.
It's not about "unlocking" a phone, it's about providing access to developers (like myself) to the phone without having to rely on the emulator.
It also means applications that we develop, can be transported to the phone and used at our leisure.
The Homebrew Scene is a different thing all together, less to do with actual development and more to do with hacking.
And finally, complaining that you have to pay for something is pretty childish. How do you think you are able to write on this forum, people have to pay for stuff, there are bills etc, I know as a lone developer this can be hard work and I would like to think that I can make some money for my efforts (But then you probably think all applications on the Marketplace should be entirely free?)
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You seemed to miss the point of it.
It's not about "unlocking" a phone, it's about providing access to developers (like myself) to the phone without having to rely on the emulator.
It also means applications that we develop, can be transported to the phone and used at our leisure.
The Homebrew Scene is a different thing all together, less to do with actual development and more to do with hacking.
And finally, complaining that you have to pay for something is pretty childish. How do you think you are able to write on this forum, people have to pay for stuff, there are bills etc, I know as a lone developer this can be hard work and I would like to think that I can make some money for my efforts (But then you probably think all applications on the Marketplace should be entirely free?)
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I have corrected my post. Thanks for the info
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I have corrected my post. Thanks for the info
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No worries dude, wasn't having a go at you, just wanted to clarify that point.
I also love and support the homebrew scene because there are no limits and the hackers are always finding new ways around things and importantly, "unlocking" ways to do things.
Excited??
How can I be excited about something that does not work:
Cannot buy tokens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very long waiting time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
very disappointing
Hello all,
You might have been heard about the news from ChevronWP7 Labs saying the unlock they sold while ago will expire in 120 days from today.
My question is, how does the expiration work?
Suppose both my PC and my phone do not have internet connection, how does the phone get developer locked back?
Does it have some kind of time bomb already since I unlocked it?
Thanks!
In Q&A
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1598050
OK, thanks your message but it does not answer my question.
I don't have answers but would like this discussion in the Q&A on one thread. This needs some serious investigation.
andreiuc said:
Hello all,
You might have been heard about the news from ChevronWP7 Labs saying the unlock they sold while ago will expire in 120 days from today.
My question is, how does the expiration work?
Suppose both my PC and my phone do not have internet connection, how does the phone get developer locked back?
Does it have some kind of time bomb already since I unlocked it?
Thanks!
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This is a presumption. The unlock of the phone is tied to a certificate that is only valid for a certain timeframe. So, the phone validates the "unlock" certificate each time an operation is requesting access to an otherwise locked feature (such as developer tasks). The certificate is only valid for a specific timeframe, which in ChevronWP7's case expires in 120 days. So, when the phone tries to validate the "unlock" certificate it will fail and the phone will deny access to the requested feature.
Thanks. So it does work like a time-bomb.
In this case, does this mean Chevron knew about this before?
andreiuc said:
Thanks. So it does work like a time-bomb.
In this case, does this mean Chevron knew about this before?
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And if this be the case how do they get away with all the thousands of dollars they made out with like bandits because they knew all along the 9 dollar unlock was not a real unlock...
Already side loaded apps?
Like most people I want to know if apps already side loaded will continue to work after the tokens are revoked? If they do work, it may be possible to keep it unlocked through a Registry Editor, Root Tools etc
JamesAllen said:
Like most people I want to know if apps already side loaded will continue to work after the tokens are revoked? If they do work, it may be possible to keep it unlocked through a Registry Editor, Root Tools etc
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If you have access to the registry, you can just remove that developer check URL (I don't know it's official name) to stay unlocked.
Otherwise if you connect to Zune and your token has expired, you will lose your unlock and you won't be able to launch sideloaded apps anymore.
I bought chevron unlock then I made my mozart interopunlocked, is my phone also will be locked again?
majkeljj said:
I bought chevron unlock then I made my mozart interopunlocked, is my phone also will be locked again?
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No locked, if you register your Chevron account in Microsoft App Hub (http://create.msdn.com/en-us/home/membership). Then you get developer account on one year by free. ONLY IF YOU REGISTER BEFORE 10 august 2012.
Source: http://www.chevronwp7.com/post/21027437967/the-chevronwp7-labs-experiment-comes-to-an-end
You read my blog in Polish: http://encyklopediawindowsphone.pl
from chevron
’’ While we kicked butt on the former, the latter didn’t work out so well. Our data indicates that most developers simply unlocked their devices for non-developmental reasons and never went all the way to publish an app in the marketplace. There was also some confusion about the actual purpose of the ChevronWP7 service –some folks thought we provided SIM-unlock capabilities, while others thought we were a hacker group providing full root access. On top of this, there were a larger than expected number of support emails.
As a result, both sides amicably agreed to discontinue the ChevronWP7 Labs experiment.’’
Lol actually they are some kinfs of thieves suckers ass holes..
sorry about it but it is really frustrating for people who paid
Jean-Simon Chénard
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I would say to all people that used the Chevron Unlock Token method to demand your money back. Seems like a rip off!!!!
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geddeeee said:
I would say to all people that used the Chevron Unlock Token method to demand your money back. Seems like a rip off!!!!
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I would go further than that. If the revocation of the token causes any of the homebrew apps you installed on the phone to cease to function, I would urge everyone who purchased tokens to consider a class action suit against MS and Chevron Labs.
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I would go further than that. If the revocation of the token causes any of the homebrew apps you installed on the phone to cease to function, I would urge everyone who purchased tokens to consider a class action suit against MS and Chevron Labs.
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MS won't be involved in the law suit. It's a third party as far sa it's concerned. Only people who can file a suit against MS here will be ChevronWP7. It's like you protesting against Middle East for the rise in Petrol. You always do it against the govt. of your country.
BTW - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24890667&postcount=30
You can get a refund. ChevronLabs are refunding $9 even for a used token if you don't want to take the AppHub option. Ofcourse phone relocks.
lol wait a minute
it is saying on the main page of chevron as a trademark : unleash the potential of your windows phone
now they said on their blog they made an end to this because majoriry of people didnt create an app........
but the term is clear..
you really should fight to keep ur phone unlock without subcribing to anything
Jean-Simon Chénard
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Anyone feel scammed? I've been using custom ROMs so I didn't buy a token but this is a pretty bad move for ChevronWP7. Hiding a "this could only be temporary" clause in your TOS is a pretty sly move to get people to think they're getting something they're not. I imagine they're going to have 9000 refund requests. People want Homebrew as end-users, not as developers.
I feel scammed. They never stated this would only work for a certain period of time, and if you want your 'free developers account' you have to pay for it anyway, although you do get a refund after a couple of months.