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Skyfire anyone?

This is intented just for the US as privet beta.
Any one got is hands on?
http://www.skyfire.com/product
Cheers,

It's not out yet.

Yeah, but did anybody download the beta? and can they share that with us?

They've changed this privacy policy in the last day or so, but here is part of it, which explains why I won't ever touch Skyfire...
(from http://www.skyfire.com/about/privacy-and-security)
Skyfire Labs, Inc. (“Skyfire”) has developed a mobile web browser (the “Browser”) that enables you to surf the internet, interact with websites and send and receive content (collectively “Browser Usage”) on your mobile phone, PDA and other handheld electronic devices. When you use the Browser, Skyfire has access to, and in many cases will monitor, your Browser Usage.
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Once you have subscribed to and begin to use the Browser, we will collect information about your use of the Browser on your Device (“Browser Usage Information”). Browser Usage Information includes such information as which websites and programs you access or download on your Device, how long you visit such websites and use such programs, your activities (such as products purchased or advertisements viewed) on such websites, which specific areas of a website or webpage you use and for how long, websites you bookmark, search terms you use, referring/exit pages, browser and platform types, the geographic location in which your Device is being used and information you provide on third party websites. All of your Browser Usage Information is stored by Skyfire under an automatically generated, random identification number (“ID Number”) that will not be associated with or linked to your Personal Information. Please be aware, though, that your Browser Usage Information, when viewed in the aggregate, may reveal your identity even if it is not associated with or linked to your Personal Information. By downloading our Browser and accepting our Terms of Use (which includes acceptance of this Privacy Policy), you have given us your express consent to collect and use Browser Usage Information and tie it to an ID Number.

dude who cares its still going to be really cool so what they will know what your looking at dont do your banking or anything else to important look up your favorite youtube videos read the news and look at your fav teams scores on espn and let them watch

Of course I'd not do any banking or similar, but the point is... do you want Big Brother watching your every move?

AdamR78 said:
Of course I'd not do any banking or similar, but the point is... do you want Big Brother watching your every move?
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being honest i have to say i don't mind, let them record what they want.
do you think your ISP/Mobile carrier does not log your usage via IEM/Opera mobile etc?
i work for a mobile carrier and can tell you they do.
Chris

Skyfire out for touch hd

apologeez if this article has already been made but too excited to care. just installed skyfire on my htc touch hd and it works. go to skyfire.com and download it.

Is this likely to be better than Opera already preinstalled?

I'm afraid it's still the same upscaled vga version that's been out for a while.

clown is correct, it's still an improvement over the old skyfire with which you had to use vgaFix with (even nice then alpha), but it's still not quite it.
Also, clown, I have a question (hope you read this), since you're using Dutty's Rom....do people know that if you add where you live to the world clock, it will sync with the weather and display it in the New Appointment in Calander? I don't want to start a thread if everyone already knows.
Thanks

It does 'work', in the sense you can see Flash/video content in-page, but it's important to remember Skyfire is a proxy browser - everything goes via their own server first, and all your form filling goes back through their servers too.
I'm liking the rich media, but not enough to risk them seeing my credit card details, passwords and browsing history!

Tried it a couple of times, and tbh, it's slow as hell.
Think I'll be taking it off soon.

c_lee said:
It does 'work', in the sense you can see Flash/video content in-page, but it's important to remember Skyfire is a proxy browser - everything goes via their own server first, and all your form filling goes back through their servers too.
I'm liking the rich media, but not enough to risk them seeing my credit card details, passwords and browsing history!
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Somehow I doubt the $100k+ salary microsoft engineers care about your credit card number.... or would waste their time looking at your browsing history. Even if they were able to go through all that data and find your card number, you think they'd risk their job for the measily couple Ks in your bank account....ya I doubt that. Not to mention you're one of how many 100s of thousands of people using it daily. But hey, that's your perogative

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Somehow I doubt the $100k+ salary microsoft engineers care about your credit card number.... or would waste their time looking at your browsing history. Even if they were able to go through all that data and find your card number, you think they'd risk their job for the measily couple Ks in your bank account....ya I doubt that. Not to mention you're one of how many 100s of thousands of people using it daily. But hey, that's your perogative
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It's not the Microsoft bods I'd be worried about, and I believe that's the point...

c_lee said:
It does 'work', in the sense you can see Flash/video content in-page, but it's important to remember Skyfire is a proxy browser - everything goes via their own server first, and all your form filling goes back through their servers too.
I'm liking the rich media, but not enough to risk them seeing my credit card details, passwords and browsing history!
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What do you think; the opera mobile, o.mini, IE mobile etc. work in different way than the skyfire? You are wrong!
Like you said before : "everything goes via their own server first"
And the main benefit from it is that pages are loaded quicker.

Feromon said:
What do you think; the opera mobile, o.mini, IE mobile etc. work in different way than the skyfire? You are wrong!
Like you said before : "everything goes via their own server first"
And the main benefit from it is that pages are loaded quicker.
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Opera Mini uses proxying (it compresses to OBML) but in doing so they break end-to-end SSL, and so many secure sites (eBay etc.) refuse the traffic. Opera Mobile connects direct unless you specifically set up a proxy service. Skyfire uses the same concept as Opera Mini, and so breaks the SSL chain, but unlike O-mobile there's no option to turn it off. Because the proxy compression process results in unencrypted data on Skyfire's server (albeit transiently) a number of credit card companies have said the idea (based on how O-mini does it) breaks their rules on fraud protection, so the customer wouldn't be compensated if the card details were stolen.
IE Mobile on WM6.1 does not use proxying. Project Deepfish did, but that was closed in 2008 and the servers disconnected.

c_lee said:
Opera Mini uses proxying (it compresses to OBML) but in doing so they break end-to-end SSL, and so many secure sites (eBay etc.) refuse the traffic. Opera Mobile connects direct unless you specifically set up a proxy service. Skyfire uses the same concept as Opera Mini, and so breaks the SSL chain, but unlike O-mobile there's no option to turn it off. Because the proxy compression process results in unencrypted data on Skyfire's server (albeit transiently) a number of credit card companies have said the idea (based on how O-mini does it) breaks their rules on fraud protection, so the customer wouldn't be compensated if the card details were stolen.
IE Mobile on WM6.1 does not use proxying. Project Deepfish did, but that was closed in 2008 and the servers disconnected.
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I think it's not quite true but maybe I'm wrong. Correct me if so...
Opera does exactly the same. Both Opera and Skyfire pre-render websites through their proxies, the difference being that Opera is text-based and Skyfire is image-based.
That's why Opera loads slower and scrolls quickes (loads the whole text part of the website at once), while Skyfire loads quicker and scrolls slower (loads only the visible part as compressed image, google maps style).

I really don't understand it....everytime I go to their web page I can't seem to download it eventhough I already selected touchscreen and click the download button, nuthin happens

Feromon said:
I think it's not quite true but maybe I'm wrong. Correct me if so...
Opera does exactly the same. Both Opera and Skyfire pre-render websites through their proxies, the difference being that Opera is text-based and Skyfire is image-based.
That's why Opera loads slower and scrolls quickes (loads the whole text part of the website at once), while Skyfire loads quicker and scrolls slower (loads only the visible part as compressed image, google maps style).
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Opera Mobile is not using a proxy, Opera is however launching a new version with a option to use a proxy, search on Opera Turbo.

[Q] Facebook touch?

Heyhey,
Has anyone notice the "touch.facebook.com" page has recently changed? It seems to be redirecting to "m.facebook.com".
According to this source (http://www.redmondpie.com/facebook-launches-new-unified-mobile-website/) Facebook have done it to make it easier for themselves, and it should automatically adjust based on your device.
Now, AFAIK, the Desire Z can do roughly everything. So does anyone know why I'm getting a fairly basic "m.facebook.com"? It misses out features such as being able to check in to places - something which the touch site did well.
I am aware there are apps - but I am generally not in good reception areas, Opera still operates quickly, whereas the apps just sit there.
So, is there a way to force my phone into tricking Facebook into providing me the decent version?
Regards,
Chris

Browser settings and change the settings from android to unbuntu or IE and it will spoof the browser as one of those and get it back

ilostchild said:
Browser settings and change the settings from android to unbuntu or IE and it will spoof the browser as one of those and get it back
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is there a way to do this for opera? kinda miss the touch site too

On Opera, I have found that I have to go to "opera:config" and there is an option in there to change the useragent.
I've managed to get a site which looked similar to the touch.facebook.com. I suppose I just need to find the correct useragent to use to enable places again now.

Hey thanks for the heads up!
Sent from my HTC Vision

After a bit of trial and error, I still can't get back to the functionality I once had. I'll just have to use one of the many crippled FB apps out there instead.

Trunk_z said:
After a bit of trial and error, I still can't get back to the functionality I once had. I'll just have to use one of the many crippled FB apps out there instead.
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The "Places" functionality, and probably everything else you were looking for, is in the "More" dropdown. I use the new m.facebook.com to check in and do basically everything. It's a decent clone of the iPhone app.

Thanks for the reply.
I wish I had a "more" dropdown menu at the moment!
I did manage to get into the Places with one of the useragents I tried, but it didn't have the check-in option anywhere.
I really don't mind using the Facebook app, it is just a little slower, and misses out features such as event walls.

It's because Facebook plans on deprecating the touch site.
http://www.senab.co.uk/faq/
Click on "Why have you removed the Touch Website options?" faq at the bottom.

IE9 = Rubbish?

Maybe its just me, but using this takes me back to the early 00's with WAP connections, Take the mobile twitter site, its a text based affair with no graphics unlike iOS and android who display it like there mobile apps, same with various websites I load, the look like they did on my old Nokia 7210 I had back in 2002 where as Safari on iOS and the Android web browser look basically the same as they would on a computer. What the reason for this?

The short version is, web developers (at least, the ones for those companies) suck. They're testing for expecific browsers, rather than testing for browser capabilities. IE9 Mobile is actually better than the browser on most of the older Android phones (a lot of phones still ship with 2.3 brand new, and many older ones never even *got* 2.3). However, because the user-agent string it sends doesn't identify itself as a WebKit browser, or some such piss-poor shortcut test, the site send incredibly dumbed-down web code as its fall-back to "I don't even know what this is" mode.
Note that many other sites *do* correctly identify the WP7 browser... just not all of them. Also, some will give different experiences depending on the site; for example, m.facebook.com has a very different UI from touch.facebook.com.
As for sites looking like they do in the desktop, if you want that, put the browser in Desktop mode (it's under Settings, which apparently people never bother to check...) That will cause the browser to send a user-agent string that closely approximates the one used by desktop IE. Websites which use that to identify the browser will therefore send the desktop site code.

The problem is many sites are not recognising it as a smart phone and are displaying a barebone mobile website designed for feature phones rather than smart phones.

It's the fault of the web site developers and not the browser itself. The iOS and android browsers are actually rubbish because of the latest webkit exploit and the fact that within them you still can't easily change the user agent settings.

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The short version is, web developers (at least, the ones for those companies) suck. They're testing for expecific browsers, rather than testing for browser capabilities. IE9 Mobile is actually better than the browser on most of the older Android phones (a lot of phones still ship with 2.3 brand new, and many older ones never even *got* 2.3). However, because the user-agent string it sends doesn't identify itself as a WebKit browser, or some such piss-poor shortcut test, the site send incredibly dumbed-down web code as its fall-back to "I don't even know what this is" mode.
Note that many other sites *do* correctly identify the WP7 browser... just not all of them. Also, some will give different experiences depending on the site; for example, m.facebook.com has a very different UI from touch.facebook.com.
As for sites looking like they do in the desktop, if you want that, put the browser in Desktop mode (it's under Settings, which apparently people never bother to check...) That will cause the browser to send a user-agent string that closely approximates the one used by desktop IE. Websites which use that to identify the browser will therefore send the desktop site code.
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Totally agree here too. I was speaking with Yelp about being able to view their mobile site through IE9 and WP and for their site to just recognize that it's IE9 and they said they have no plans to make changes to their website to accommodate WP.
This basically means, not until they see it worth their time/effort. Which is lame, cause, really, how hard is it to test for it and then display the mobile site if it's IE9? Why alienate customers, even if it's a small (yet growing) segment?

For me, its not working.
yesterday i had to visit Utorrent's remote control (remote.utorrent.com) to do some changes to my torrents, But unforunately i couldn't pass the "Touch to fill the proggress bar" antispam feature. "Move mouse" for PC.
I tried it with both desktop view and mobile view. no good.
I think developers need to pay some love for WP7 and make a good browser for it
I'd like to see firefox but they didn't make it. Yet ..
The problem is many sites are not recognising it as a smart phone and are displaying a barebone mobile website designed for feature phones rather than smart phones.
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Happened to me alot, Sometimes i get "Your browser is too old/unsupported" error and guess what? They refuse to show the website for me

Why don't we have an opera browser? I would definitely use that.

I find IE9 to be good. Yes, its not the best and its not comparable to others but it does a decent job.
The problem is with developers. Dev's try a lot to customize their apps for specific browsers and in turn make it difficult for non-popular browsers.
That is one reason HTML5 is being so looked upon. Everybody needs a common non-plugin solution to have a consistent web experience, which is already supported by IE9 of WP7

Have you guys checked out the HTML 5 Browser Speed Tests:
http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/
There are some really good HTML 5 tests there that shows the speed of the IE9 browser running those HTML 5 pages. Sure, they are pages created by Microsoft but it still makes me wonder why the android browser and iPhone browser are really poor at loading up these pages.

slugger09 said:
Take the mobile twitter site, its a text based affair with no graphics unlike iOS and android who display it like there mobile apps
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Twitter have fixed it.

Tone_ said:
Twitter have fixed it.
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Yeah, it was temporary.
Took them long enough, some tech writers jumped right into the IE9/WP7 bashing, even though it was on Twitter end
That also pretty much sums up and ends this thread.

mimic brower app

I found this app in the windows store
apps.microsoft.com/windows/en-us/app/mimic-browser/929fa9a0-a9ac-45c2-911e-4d54c744a46c/m/ROW
seems to work with some site that don't work in I.E. the only problem is I can not find and settings as in bookmark, cookies, history and so on
So has anyone else used this app and I thought i.e. was the only browser that was allowed but I see this company has 2 browser apps the other one is for kids and cost money
apps.microsoft.com/windows/en-us/app/chrome-yum/a4f0da31-eb4e-4817-91d4-89dbd9f94c68
Thanks

Sorry I found a site that told me this mimic browser is I.E.11 so it some type of skin or front end over I.E.11 I don't understand how it works better just with no options as far bookmarks.

Possibly just changing the user agent.