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Running Laucher Pro, should I ditch HTC Sense?

Ever since I found Launcher Pro I've never used anything else.
I'm running SkyRaider 3.5 (which is HTC Sense) and I'm wondering if I should go to an AOSP ROM like CM7.
I'm wondering:
> Will it be faster than current setup?
> Will it be better on battery than current setup?
Let me know, thanks.

Battery and speed will improve depending on which kernal you use. The main advantage to using a AOSP ROM for me was better bluetooth support. I can't use wii controlers with my emulators using Sense but I can if I use a non-Sense ROM like CM6 or CM7. Shows you what I look for in a ROM doesn't it.

Doesn't Skyraider offer a senseless version of the Skyraider ROM?

POQbum said:
Ever since I found Launcher Pro I've never used anything else.
I'm running SkyRaider 3.5 (which is HTC Sense) and I'm wondering if I should go to an AOSP ROM like CM7.
I'm wondering:
> Will it be faster than current setup?
> Will it be better on battery than current setup?
Let me know, thanks.
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Speed will depend, more likely than not it will be a bit speedier and better on battery IMO. I have been running CM7 with the Savaged-Zen kernel and i got over a day and a half out of it, that with setcpu at 128/1113 with smartass governor.

I used to stick with Sense based ROMS because they where just so smooth and stable, but now im with AOSP ROMS like CM7 and a few others. I use launcher pro and its awesome. The customization of AOSP ROMS are pretty much endless, and they give you a cleaned up Android. Id give it a try, just make a back up of SkyRaider then download the latest CM7 RC.

@OP
I was in your shoes about a week after using the phone after I bought it.
Went AOSP and haven't gone back except for the occasional, lets see if somehow the grass somehow decided to paint itself greener and became super plants.
I recommend AOSP completely. It's alot more of a streamlined android experience, and IMO lets you really customize the OS to work for you, rather than having to work with sense.
Not saying sense is bad or anything, it's my favorite non stock rom, but AOSP is just above and beyond for me.
Although incredibly re-engineered had me off AOSP for about 3 days before switching back

smtom said:
Doesn't Skyraider offer a senseless version of the Skyraider ROM?
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Senseless is still Sense framework, which lacks the advantages of a true AOSP ROM. The advantage to Senseless is a vanilla interface, but the stability of the Sense framework.

Thanks for the input!
Will be switching to an ASOP ROM sometime tonight.

For me unfortunately, the lack of decent widgets keeps forcing me back to the new desire z based sense roms. Too many additional features in sense. Wish there were good equivalent aosp widgets for what you can get from htc in the hd/z/mt4g/inc s roms...
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POQbum said:
Thanks for the input!
Will be switching to an ASOP ROM sometime tonight.
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I don't know if you wanna jump in head first or not but, I'm really enjoying the new Cyanogenmod 7 RC1 right now. Another great is MIUI. They're both great on battery life and they're both highly customizable. But they are a big change from sense- especially MIUI. And, obviously, CM7 is a release candidate so it isn't perfect (although damn close.) Whether you jump on them now or later, once you've gotten your feet wet, you should check em both out some time.
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Smabbage said:
Battery and speed will improve depending on which kernal you use.
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That's false. I have never gotten the battery life from an AOSP rom that I have from an optimized Sense rom. I've used almost every kernel for both types of roms. There are quite a few people that actually complain about CM battery life. As far as speed its like the butt dyno, just saying your phone feels faster is all perception. There are people that say the optimized Sense roms are the fastest and some say the AOSP are the fastest. Try what you like and use it. The real differences is in the interface. Bluetooth is definitely better supported on CM.

I found my best battery life AND speed were with Ruby ROM 2.0.2 with Launcherpro. Cyanogenmod 6 is good too but had tons of features I didn't use. Invisiblek kernels are a great addition to AOSP ROMs.
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I've been running MIUI 1.1.26 with invisablek #28 for a while now, w/o setcpu and while I wouldn't say it's the fastest combo (not that it's slow) its is the most stable my phone has been since I switched from Virtuos using stock kernel.
After setting up invisablek #28 and wiping battery stats it did take a few days of crappy battery life until it started to kick butt. I can get thru a 10 hour work day of moderate web surfing and constant music playing and still have at least 20% battery left. And if I run with the 2150mah extended battery forget about it.
I would definately recommend giving MIUI and invisablek #28 kernel a try. It has the faster charging the stock kernel has and runs smooth and stable. The launched takes a bit to get used to but you can always run launcher pro over it. Tried that but I love the MIUI launched too much.

Thats my issue with the CM line, it has tons of features I dont use (which could be flashable) and includes way too many localizations. I must admit I forgot about Ruby, it was the best in terms of speed. No lag, no hesitation, smooth as butter.

Launcher Pro doesn't extend any battery life on any ROM I have used it just a different launcher but one of the best ones I have used so far.

If you aren't attached to the Sense experience, the don't even hesitate to try out different ROMs. I gave up on Sense after a month of purchasing the Dinc, tried out CM6, tried out MIUI, and now I've been "crackflashing" CM7 since January. A lot of people are experiencing really good battery life. Can't say so for myself since the Dinc is my main computer, but I would certainly say that it is the fastest ROM I've tried.
Do a nandroid backup. Try out a bunch of new setups. Restore the nandroid if you aren't happy. Simple as that--when you're rooted you can do a lot with these devices.

nfiniti9 said:
There are people that say the optimized Sense roms are the fastest and some say the AOSP are the fastest.
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I will say that CM's GPU performance is better than that of the Incredible's on 2.2. My guess is that this is due to CM's release using more recent drivers for the Adreno 200. I've tested this with both benchmarks and games.
On Sims 3, owning the largest house makes panning/zooming is a virtual crawl on stock Sense, even with a good custom kernel. On CM7, it's playable, a huge difference. Quadrant advances/profession GPU score (not the worthless combined score) is nearly 150 points different. To give a perspective, it's 280 to 410 on average, which is a huge jump.

[Q] Top 5 Roms?

Sorry for the noobish question... but i just got my G2 today and i want to flash a good, stable, Good battery life, no bugs Rom
Can you guys help me out and give me your top 5 choices?
#1 Being the best
Thanks ALot :-D

Hi everyone..
I too would be interested to hear which are the most popular ROM's
I have a Nokia N900, and it is time to move as I really need a couple of apps that Android have, but Maemo doesn't
So Im upgrading to my first ever Android phone (a desire z) and would like to hear what ROM's are considered good. Im guessing none of them are bad, but it would be interesting to hear which are the most popular. Im not ready to root and install a ROM yet, but I will spend the next few weeks getting to know the phone and read up understand the process and then off I go!
Haven't done this since the bad old days of WM 6.5, so am a bit rusty, though there were a couple of kernel swaps on the N900..
Looking forward to tinkering and learning a new OS, and hopefully getting to grips with the new kitchen as well, as that really looks interesting...
Thx in advance
E

1. CM7 for the obviously ground breaking reasons...
MoDaCo/Paul's Sense ROM
Either of the new MIUIs

Thanks ab0m
Off to google and read now..

Its really up to personal preference and what works for you. You're going to get a lot of CM7 responses now that it is at RC1 and beyond, and very stable.
Go read up on the Wiki in the dev forum, and try them out for yourself. See what you like the most. There are stock roms, Sense-based roms, MIUI, and many others.

CM7 should get the nod for being the best just because of what it is. That being said, I use GingerMex, which is a rom based on CM7 with custom animations, theme and some other tweaks and stuff. Beyond that, if you like Sense roms there are a slew of those as well, but I don't have much experience with those because I don't like the restrictive nature of the Sense launcher.

1. CM7
2. Virtuous (a close 2)
3. GingerMex
4. ModaCo Sense
5. MUIU
CM7 is clearly the fastest, stable, and efficient in terms of battery usage. Virtuous is the best Sense ROM and that team works hard to put out a good product. Not so easy on the battery efficiency, but it is now very stable, and any issues you incur are probably because of advanced kernel use. GingerMex is based on CM7, it just has the custom look to it, that I'm not too fond of (to each their own of course), but it is very stable and fast. MoDaCo is another Sense ROM that is basically stock without any of the bloatware. Kind of plain, to me. MUIU looks like an iPhone, if that's what you're into - I just personally didn't care for the look. I think one of the pluses of that ROM is that it's file size is really small, so it doesn't use up too much internal memory.

enserio said:
1. CM7
2. Virtuous (a close 2)
3. GingerMex
4. ModaCo Sense
5. MUIU
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I would have to agree with this. I have stopped looking for other roms and just stick with CM now.
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Which Sense-based ROM is the "best"?

So far I've been using Revolution HD, but now I wonder if there are other ROMs that may have interesting things to offer.
I read the ROM's threads and I find it somewhat hard to decide based on those posts. Almost all say they are stable/fast/zipaligned/deodexed. Maybe there isn't that much difference between the custom Sense-ROMs?
LeeDroid sounds interesting, as does CoreDroid, but so does Revo HD...
So maybe those of you who are using custom ROMs could say why they use their specific ROM. I know there's no "best" ROM, but I guess everybody has a reason for their choice. I think it'd be interesting to hear.

Rcmix hd, because it's clean and near stock. Only real mod is the deodexing. The more the messing the more the chance of unforseen problems.
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bur2000 said:
So far I've been using Revolution HD, but now I wonder if there are other ROMs that may have interesting things to offer.
I read the ROM's threads and I find it somewhat hard to decide based on those posts. Almost all say they are stable/fast/zipaligned/deodexed. Maybe there isn't that much difference between the custom Sense-ROMs?
LeeDroid sounds interesting, as does CoreDroid, but so does Revo HD...
So maybe those of you who are using custom ROMs could say why they use their specific ROM. I know there's no "best" ROM, but I guess everybody has a reason for their choice. I think it'd be interesting to hear.
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Sorry to say but when you start on this flashing stuff you are going to spend a lot of time anyway. Trust me . I have tried out many of the ROM's and mostly they are all good. They all have a touch from the cook though. My advice is to try for yourself. It doesn't take more than 10 mins plus and you're set to go on a new rom.
Asking us will just give you answers pointing in different directions. I hope that you can use my advice. I know that its probably not what you wanted to hear but that's just my opinion.
Anders
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Yes, I know there's no way around trying for yourself. But it'll take some time to decide whether a ROM is good or not. You'd probably need to use the ROM for a couple of days.
But since there are many ROMs maybe the selection can be thinned out a bit by advice of other users. What would you suggest I try if I'm looking for a clean ROM where the changes are mostly under the hood. From browsing through the forum it seems Revo/Leedroid/Coredroid/Rcmix are fitting that description. Any other suggestions?
And I read in some Sig that Revolution HD was best performance and Leedroid best battery usage. Is that really the case?

Its a personal choice! LeeDroid all the way!

Well, I think the best thing to do is trying out the different roms and see what works for you.
I personally prefer the Revolution HD rom, but that doesn't mean that it's the right one for you

Revolution HD, LeeDroid and CoreDroid are the ones I've tried so far.
- Revolution HD is the one closest to stock which is both its' strong as well as its' weak point.
I have the strong suspicion that I might be doing sth wrong in its' case but with this ROM I always lose the "places" and "latitude" apps. On the other hand I notice I also lose them with every ROM (including the stock one) if I do a Factory Reset the "normal" way.
- LeeDroid is the one I tend to gravitate the most on because it's got that sth extra without being extremely heavy. Still too much bloat for my tastes though...
Works great though!
- CoreDroid is the one I like the most aesthetically (i.e the theme work they do) and they seem to be the ROM most on the bleeding edge.
However, I also got the most bugs out of all the ROMs I tried including the WiFi not working at all (turned out I needed to flash a different kernel manually), the battery draining EXTREMELY fast (not sure why, I didn't change any settings coming from the other two ROMs), the GPS navigator and an added Weather&Clock widget just crashing when called, as well as their own add-ons sending the phone on a BootLoop.
The "last straw" of sorts was today when I picked up my phone after a night that it auto-updated only to find the freakin' Market missing altogether!
In all honesty, CoreDroid would be the one I'd prefer if they could just get it to work right...
(P.S. interestingly enough, ALL three of them released a new version of their ROMs today so take all that I said earlier with a grain of salt as I can't know what bugs were squashed or whether any new ones were introduced).

I like leedroid the best. I installed it the day I got my phone. It's mostly stock, but with a ton of under the hood optimization. Ever since lee started doing his own kernels the phone has been getting quicker each release. And while there are kernels that score higher in benchmarks, general usage feels way snappier on lees kernels.
Been running leedroid roms for 3 months now, and nö issues to report
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CoreDroid HD v3.1 + LeeDroid v2.2.2 Custom Kernel Combo. Enough said.

Leedroid for battery life-Revolution for benchmark...
But every couple of days there are updates!This is nice or not?i think is better to use my CWM once a week,but thats roms life...

I like Core Droid the best, Sergio has been working hard these past days releasing update adter update to please everyone, and 99% of times he has done.
Battery life for me is amazing, performance is as smooth as butter, and Sergio is a theming god.
I also use LeeDrOiD's kernel, because it is perfect for me.

I have only used the Android Revolution HD rom, but this is a great rom, the battery time is good, and its easy to install and all the "crap" apps are removed.

I've never used leedroid as I've only used rev hd, but better battery life sounds good. What's the main difference between the 2 or 3 roms?
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They are different flavors of the same ROM (well, until recently at least, now CoreDroid is at version 1.84 which does away with some problems I had with the stock 1.72 as well as all the ROMs based on it) so it's not THAT extreme (nothing like flashing CyanogenMod) but there are subtle differences.
Personally, I like the blue theming of CoreDroid the best but they also tend to be pretty bleeding edge, better to let a ROM mature a little first, the Revolution HD ROM is the one closest to stock and the lightest of the bunch but LeeDroid's strong point is their very heavily optimized kernels with very frequent updates.
They have no custom theme but there is a lot of effect-based eye candy (like transparencies and flying-in message boxes).
Honestly I like all three for different reasons and keep switching between them on a pretty regular basis, so far I like the CoreDroid the best but I just keep going back to LeeDroid for stability and long battery life!

Looking for a Change, Maybe Sense

I have been with DeFrost and Gingavillan for some time now,
And feeling i need a change in my phone as am bored lol!!!
I was thinking of a Sense ROM.
But i have not kept upto date on the forum for some Time,
So Sense users, what are you finding your Best ROM is, Speed, Space and Battery life.
I really like the look of: InsertCoin CM7/A2SD+ STABLE
But not sure on battery life or anything.
What you using guys and girls and your pros and cons

I am loving MIUI at the moment but the battery life isn't good, I can't recommend if that will be an issue, I was using Oxygen before and made it home at the end of the day with ~70%+ battery, I am getting home with ~50% now.

The last sense rom I tried was AceSMod because IC and RCMix had really crap battery life. No idea what it's like now. Just try some sense roms out.

Yer i tried InsertCoin CM7/A2SD+ STABLE
Its a good little ROM, i kinda like it, But the speed is just too slow for me.
So i might give some of LeeDroid's Roms a go later on

im currently using Reflex S
great little rom

I have actually had really good experiences with SGBS. Fast, decently smooth, and battery efficient after a radio upgrade (i was running shipped stock radio before then).
After finding that switch pro had some issues with Gingerbread, I decided to try a couple Froyo roms out... I have NOT had a good experience with Starburst.. but I really like the D2EXT it uses so I might try his Gingerburst today.
And before I had all that I was running a stock Froyo with several init.d mods I've collected, and I really had no reason to switch from that other than curiosity.

[Q] Rom and Battery life

Hi. I'm thinking about flashing my first ROM on the Droid Incredible for my wife. She is having terrible battery life with her phone, and I'd like to try and help her out. I really am not looking for much though. My order of prefs are:
Stability > Battery Life > Performance
Mods and tweaks and things of that nature are not really a huge concern for me. I just want everything to work well, and have great battery life. I'd love to hear some suggestions.
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I'm running OVORene Community ROM and my battery last all day with GPS on internet on and 5 apps syncing all day everything on. Super stable I have no problems so far no force closes. Give it a try
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But having sense 3.0 is a closer look too stock incredible and have great battery life
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Nobrainer, the newest leak 2.3.4. Its only sense 1.0, so it would be familiar to her, no lag, no issues at all, and the best battery life for me on any sense rom.
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donnyp1 said:
Nobrainer, the newest leak 2.3.4. Its only sense 1.0, so it would be familiar to her, no lag, no issues at all, and the best battery life for me on any sense rom.
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I'd go this route or something VERY similar to it. Just don't flash the RUU. Try to find a rooted version of the ROM.
As for AOSP, I've flashed about 5 different AOSP ROMs on my dInc and none of them have been what I'd call stable and reliable. I'm NOT a fan of any of the launchers and I do NOT like having to spend days trying to dig through the Market and threads trying to find the stuff to make AOSP do most of what Sense does right out of the box. My girlfriend likes AOSP... and I just can't understand why, but I'm always messing with it trying to figure out why it's restarting, being all herky-jerky, not responding, doing weird things for no reason... And frankly, I don't think the battery life is all that much better on AOSP than Sense.

I don't know what about CM7 or MIUI isn't stable or reliable? What doesn't work on those roms that works on sense roms? IMO, sense is bloated, slow, and outside of social networking (which I couldn't care less about anyway), adds no real functionality when compared to AOSP. Also, AOSP roms are infinitely more customizable than sense. For people that like to mess with their phones and make them their own (which being XDA, I'd think a lot are in this category), there's just simply way more you can do with AOSP, and better kernels too!
Again, some of this is just my opinion, but I fail to see how our AOSP roms can be called unstable or unreliable. It all boils down to personal preference but to say that AOSP is not stable or reliable is simply not a true statement.

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I don't know what about CM7 or MIUI isn't stable or reliable? What doesn't work on those roms that works on sense roms? IMO, sense is bloated, slow, and outside of social networking (which I couldn't care less about anyway), adds no real functionality when compared to AOSP. Also, AOSP roms are infinitely more customizable than sense. For people that like to mess with their phones and make them their own (which being XDA, I'd think a lot are in this category), there's just simply way more you can do with AOSP, and better kernels too!
Again, some of this is just my opinion, but I fail to see how our AOSP roms can be called unstable or unreliable. It all boils down to personal preference but to say that AOSP is not stable or reliable is simply not a true statement.
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Going thru the miui or the cm7 nightly threads lately, it does appear that they also have their fair share of issues. The fact of the matter is, the leaked/rooted ota is very stable, very fast, and has great battery life. It also would have no learning curve for her and she could set up her screens to her liking with whats already familiar to her. Thats why i said no brainer. Aosp is nice, ive ran them all, but it really is just personal preference. Aosp battery can be just as bad if not worse than sense. I also found my self trying to make it look like sense, so now i use sense pretty much all the time. The diffrence between sense and aosp is preference and preference only.
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I definitely wouldn't hesitate to recommend the stock rom for someone that doesn't really mess with their phone that much and needs it to work without issue. I personally like to have a bit more control and feature additions. I mainly posted because it was being stated that AOSP roms were unstable and unreliable, and that's simply not the case. I have recently run CM7 nightlies and MIUI (current rom) without issue. I keep up on new features and bug fixes, and there isn't anything "buggy" about either of these roms. Pretty much the only things you're gonna be missing out on are 720p recording and tv-out functionality, but for me that tradeoff is well worth it considering the other benefits.
I can't really speak on battery life comparatively, because my phone hasn't seen a sense rom for more than a few hours since I got it, but I think the difference is mainly in the kernels. There are simply better options for AOSP (right now at least), the kernels have more battery saving features than what is available for GB sense. I see that they've gotten smartass working on the new GB sense kernel though, so I would think that would help. I imagine a lot of it also has to do with your accounts and sync settings as well, for example, I'd imagine if you had two phones (one on AOSP, one on stock sense) with the same governor settings and sync settings, battery life would be pretty similar.

I would think your probably right on that. I personally have had no issues with aosp roms or any of the new gb roms. I run basic configurations with minimal apps and minimal syncing. I only install 4 apps, so i can get a rom runnin pretty good for what i need.
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Im using the latest OMFGB nightly, no problems, no issues, everything works.
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my apologies. Was reading and accidentally quoted and posted a comment. *should be asleep right now*
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OP you will be flooded with opinions going in all directions, it depends what you want. Pretty much any ROM here is noticeably faster than stock with better battery.
If you're looking something closer to stock, but faster and with better battery life than I would suggest Skyraider:
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=1314
Agreeing with nivesout, Sense adds some bloat to your phone- but some people just like the UI and don't mind whatever minimal extra lag or battery loss they get from it.
CM7 is a great AOSP ROM and just in general one of the top choices here. If you get this then you should probably download Launcher Pro (from market) instead of using ADW, but it's up to you.
MIUI is more appearance based and offers lots of theming options, however the luancher that comes with it is not as smooth as other launchers (can always be changed like you can do with CM7)
All of these ROM's are stable and well polished.
I would also suggest that you use chad's incredikernel for a custom kernel (saves battery and increases performance) and also flash the latest radio because it's trending that most people get better battery and faster speeds with it.

It seems like people are just reading his op title. Paragraph 2 states mods and themes are not what he is looking for. Its for his wife. If you go thru the new ota threads you will find people stating excellent battery life. The ota's are debloated and can be even more reduced with ti backup. His wife will have no issues with this rom, nor will she have to search market for apps, theme section for themes, install new kernels, yada yada ya.... The leaked, debloated, pre-rooted ota is a perfect solution for what he is looking for. Op, you can pm me if you have questions about which one to install.
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Thanks to all of you who took the time to reply. I appreciate everyone's input.
@donnyp1 Thanks for your suggestion, and if you want to put your recommendation in this thread that would be great or PM works too. What you said is pretty head on, keeping it simple and similar to what she is already used to would be great. Just need to get that battery in check.

The new OTA has given me the best battery life of any ROM I've used. However, HTC's kernel dislikes my car's Bluetooth module, so I'm back on CM7 for maximum compatibility till they or a kernel dev releases one that works with my car.
My vote is on the OTA. Fast, long lasting and very stable. As a second choice I say CM7. Only thing about CM7 is that she would have to spend more time setting it up.
The sense 2.1/3.0 and 3.0 roms still have some bugs and general performance issues without no real boon to battery life. Lockscreen and quick settings sure do rock though.
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I have run all 3, and liberation beta 4 is really working well. I had no issues with any though. I used ti backup to remove the rest of the verizon stuff, it eorks fantastic. Display at 30%, i get great battery life on my phone. I also flashed the newest radio.
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Godsmacked's senseless 2.0 is a great blend of sense and aosp. Battery life is awesome, it flies, and I haven't had a single fc yet.

Maybe I'm wrong but I was always under the impression that Kernel effects battery life not ROM. I have been going between CM7 Nighties and MIUI.US, with their kernel only get 6 to 8 hours. But if I use incredikernel with incredicontrol I get between 18-27 hours depending on use. Incredicontrol enables fast charge and sound boost, also allows you to set min and max volts. I'm undervolted min 750 and stable with CM7 Nightly 173. I loved Nils' Business GingerSense 3.0 but I personally decided I can't live without incredikernel, so I will wait until he releases a gingersense kernel.
http://www.incredikernel.com/
I have not tried but there are mod's for Gingersense for better battery:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1216306
For choices on ROM's best to go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=969371

I've been running MIUI for about a week now and I can't believe how great the battery life has been.

I personally have been using gingerbread-inc-deck with chads incredikernel as my daily for over a month now. It's stable and I've had great battery life. I've tested a few sense 3.0 roms, but the battery just doesnt seem to last as long for me.