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[Q] Sense rom vs non sense room?

What's the advantage and disadvantage of both roms?

hope this helps: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=823228
short: sense is bloatware^^

mad-murdock said:
short: sense is bloatware^^
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I have two Desires, one running Sense and the other running CyanogenMod.
My "primary" device is my Sense phone, but due to an SD card problem last week I had to switch to using my CyanogenMod phone as my daily device as I didn't have time to sort out the other phone until the weekend just gone.
The long and short of it is that I am back to using my Sense phone because I think that the experience is better. Whilst CyanogenMod and similar ROMs may well be faster, IMHO this is only really apparent in benchmarks and not in general use.
That's not to say that CyanogenMod doesn't bring a lot of nice stuff to the table (much of which should be rolled back into AOSP IMO) - just that I personally find that Sense is just a more pleasant user experience, and because of this I can't see that it is "bloatware".
Regards,
Dave

Sense = owns all (IMO)

I've got the same opinion like Foxmeister...Cyanogen might be faster but you can't really notice the difference between Sense and non-Sense Roms in everyday-usage. Cyanogen (and other AOSP Roms) are only better in Benchmark Test like Quadrant...And I think Sense is a great User Experience and makes using the phone much easier...

It's down to personal taste, no one can tell you which one is better, you'll have to find out yourself through experiencing both types of ROMs

Thx guys~ i'll just stick to my leedroid 2.2e, love it...
Can any1 guide me into a thread or website explaining radio & kernel in android term? and how to install/flash it? is it by using rom manager? thx in advance...

EddyOS said:
Sense = owns all (IMO)
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DomiKamp said:
I've got the same opinion like Foxmeister...Cyanogen might be faster but you can't really notice the difference between Sense and non-Sense Roms in everyday-usage. Cyanogen (and other AOSP Roms) are only better in Benchmark Test like Quadrant...And I think Sense is a great User Experience and makes using the phone much easier...
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how is your battery life fellas?
I used to loose 50% everyday with minimal usage

Tried Modaco not bad, but wanna try more, so i tried leedroid 2.2a, was very good, fast and stable, with launcher pro, then wanna try out non sense rom, because many said that it's faster, so i tried open desire, auto brightness seem to be a little too dark, get back to leedroid 2.2b, then don wanna give up on non sense rom, tried defrost again, turtle photoframe work slow when i change to other photo, some photos don even show up... get back to leedroid 2.2e... some how i found out that leedroid is faster than those non sense rom, y? i never use linux, sux at hacking, and love gaming (angry bird rocks!) and web surfing, i guess sense rom is better for me... wanna try cynogen but give up on non sense rom... leedroid is the best rom for normal user like me...

This is too general a question. there are many different builds of sense ROMS and many builds of ASOP ROMS.. they are all different. you can't really compare them as "sense vs non sense".
To put it simply you cannot compare them as a whole category.

celestialspring said:
how is your battery life fellas?
I used to loose 50% everyday with minimal usage
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Currently using a MoDaCo R9 ROM.
23h 21m since unplugged and 60% battery left, though the phone was in airplane mode from around 11pm to 7am.
I didn't use the phone heavily yesterday, but did make/take a few phone calls, send/read a good number of emails, surfed the web, and listened to a bit of Spotify, so I'd definitely say my usage was more than minimal.
Regards,
Dave
P.S. <PEDANT ALERT> Argghh!! My pet peeve! Use of the word "loose" when what is really meant is "lose"! </PEDANT ALERT>

I'm on the HD port from robocik and it just rocks...FB/Twitter/weather sync every hour, bit of WiFi/Angry Birds every day, Gmail as and when I get an email, few calls, few txts. Off charge at 7:30am and put back on at around 11pm with about 40% left

Sense vs. Non-Sense is a preference. As mentioned rightly, many of the ROMs in both categories will work just as good for a specific user. But there are some distinct differences between them without a question. After months of testing with no real favoritism or devotion to some dev, I prefer some Sense based by a big margin on many fronts (Stock by nickiberli and teppic, LeeDroid, RCMix). And quite honestly, I haven't till now used any ROM with my full setup that was clearly and noticeably as fast and smooth as the RCMix v0.11 (except for the dirt slow restart/start).
RCMix v0.11 battery life is indeed good (I don't see it any worse than HTC 2.2) and the Battery Info section now reports the usages far more correctly. But it is still a beta work on many fronts. No cam or vid playback is too great a major issue for a smartphone. I mean, even apps like Nvu, Smart Compass, Cam Card, Document Scanner, Shop Savvy, Surveyor, Barcode Scanner, etc, won't work as they should due to this. It should be a cracking ROM once they can get these issues fixed.
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[Q] Next ROM to flash? Leedroid Froyo to what?

Hey everyone, I'm at a crossroads in terms of what ROM I want to flash next. I've had Leedroid's Froyo ROM for well over 9 months and I've been very satisfied with it. Now that the final version has been released for a little while, I've been itching to try some Gingerbread roms, but I have no idea which to choose.
My main concern is stability and battery life. Does a Sense ROM really tax the battery life moreso than an Oxygen or CM7 type of rom? I do like some of the Sense feature (like the dialer). Do Sense 2.1/3.0 roms (ie Insertcoin) eat up even more battery life?
Another concern of mine is flashing a new hboot for S-OFF. Seems like many new roms require this. I'm guessing that the risks are fairly low of anything going horribly wrong, right?
So with all that in mind, I was thinking between these 4:
-Leedroid Gingerbread V3.0.X
-CM7
-Oxygen
-Insertcoin
Just looking for some general opinions and recommendations on any of these ROMs. Thanks!

Hi, ive flashed all 4 of those ROMs at one time or another so ill try to give a overview of what I think.
I stuck with CM7 for quite a while, and really liked it. if you want a ROM with fairly good battery life, and lots of customization options, then go wth that. Oxygen seems to me like it is a lot like CM7 but there a much less options to customize and change.
I didnt have leedroid for that long but after looking over the page again, it seems like a slightly cut down version of InsertCoin. InsertCoin has certain sense 3.0 features in it, where as leedroid doesnt (I think). I personally stick wth InsertCoin, as it has an easy A2SD system, and the WiFi range seems vastly better on it than any other ROM ive tried!
So, in conclusion
CM7 - Nice, stable, fast gingerbread with lots of customisation options.
Oxygen - Slightly cut down version, fast, with less customization.
LeeDroid - Fast, Stable, Clean, Sense/Gingerbread.
InsertCoin - Slightly more bulky, but really nice looking sense/gingerbread mix, with Sense 2.0/3.0/2.1 features
Just my opinion, hope it helps

If Sense and battery are the two main concerns, then try Leedroid GB. Obviously, Insertcoin and all these Sense 3 stuff are eating more battery than Sense 2.1. I used it for a month or two, it's not that bad.
If you can drop Sense, then of course Oxygen or CM7. Or, you can try Redux as well, it is very similar to Oxygen (see my signature).
But the best way is to find out yourself: flash IC, use it for a week and you will see.
Cheers!

Chiller89 said:
Hi, ive flashed all 4 of those ROMs at one time or another so ill try to give a overview of what I think.
I stuck with CM7 for quite a while, and really liked it. if you want a ROM with fairly good battery life, and lots of customization options, then go wth that. Oxygen seems to me like it is a lot like CM7 but there a much less options to customize and change.
I didnt have leedroid for that long but after looking over the page again, it seems like a slightly cut down version of InsertCoin. InsertCoin has certain sense 3.0 features in it, where as leedroid doesnt (I think). I personally stick wth InsertCoin, as it has an easy A2SD system, and the WiFi range seems vastly better on it than any other ROM ive tried!
So, in conclusion
CM7 - Nice, stable, fast gingerbread with lots of customisation options.
Oxygen - Slightly cut down version, fast, with less customization.
LeeDroid - Fast, Stable, Clean, Sense/Gingerbread.
InsertCoin - Slightly more bulky, but really nice looking sense/gingerbread mix, with Sense 2.0/3.0/2.1 features
Just my opinion, hope it helps
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Thanks for the very helpful reply! I was leaning on Insertcoin, just to see what all the fuss was about with Sense 2.1/3.0 was all about. Leedroid currently uses Sense 1.0 in his Gingerbread rom in case you were wondering.
I have zero plans this weekend, which means I have all the time in the world to try out some ROMs

I'm running CM7.. its a fast and stable ROM with good customization options and no s-off required plus I'm getting much better battery life than I was with my stock 2.2 froyo ROM
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Wooooohoooo, finally got a thanks anyway, have fun flashing im running InsertCoin myself, loving the sexy Sense 3.0 stuffs anyway, enjoy, oh and pleasure

[Q] So which rom do I use?

First of all hello to the people of XDA Desire HD thread.
I'm in unfamiliar territory.
I used to own a Milestone and thanks to its "awesome" bootloader there were very few roms to chose from. After dropping and breaking it I had to buy a Huawei u8500 (due largely to monitory issues) and there were even fewer roms for that.
Well now I have gotten hold of a hand-me-down Desire HD
I managed to downgrade and root it breaking a lot of sweat as I'm very unfamiliar with HTC rooting and modding. The gingerbread it came with had WiFi issues. Very poor range.
Anyway, I lost my jaw on the floor seeing the huge number of Desire HD roms on XDA and I don't know which one to use. I do not want hop from rom to rom. I just want to flash one and use it day in day out. I know you guys hear this all the time but I wanted to hear from you on a personal note which one I should use.
My priorities are:
1. Has to be very very light on battery consumption. Huge screen, a processor from Ferrari, and just 1230mah is worrying me. I need to go through each day (that's 24 hours) without having to think about charging it. The rom has to be very light on standby.
2. I don't like the HTC phone apk...after a few days of use I feel like calling someone with the Desire HD is the most difficult thing to do with this phone. All the other stuff can be done seamlessly, just not calling someone . May be I'm not used to it yet.
3. I like the new Sense UI. A rom that comes with it and other HTC complementaries would be nice.
4. Performance would be nice but it is 4th on the wishlist as my history tells you i have never had a top-end phone. I consider the speed I see in the stock rom as blistering
So what do you think I should flash?

Ive used several roms and it's all down to personal preference - BUT I can highly recommend (in this order)
1) Leedroid HD (highly tweaked fast rom, excellent, visually diff than a stock rom, less battery drain then android hd below)
2) Android Revolution HD (highly tweaked fast rom, excellent, visually doesnt appear much diff than a stock rom)
3) MIUI 1.8 ( this very light in size and battery drain and seems to be becoming more and more popular, with alot of dev/skins/mods appearing by the day - This is what im playing with at the minute)
please remember - battery drain is mostly down to the apps/wifi ect usage

dayze0 said:
Ive used several roms and it's all down to personal preference - BUT I can highly recommend (in this order)
1) Leedroid HD (highly tweaked fast rom, excellent, visually diff than a stock rom, less battery drain then android hd below)
2) Android Revolution HD (highly tweaked fast rom, excellent, visually doesnt appear much diff than a stock rom)
3) MIUI 1.8 ( this very light in size and battery drain and seems to be becoming more and more popular, with alot of dev/skins/mods appearing by the day - This is what im playing with at the minute)
please remember - battery drain is mostly down to the apps/wifi ect usage
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Wow...I was expecting CM7 stable would be mentioned...is the CM7 not very battery friendly?

I used CM7 [Nightly] for months - changing it almost every day with each release. I've tried many of them here at XDA as have many people here.
Check out my sig for a few screenshots and ideas.
Like dayze0 I'm currently using MIUI. MIUI 1.8.26 v.2: Freshly Squeezed Edition™ 27/08/11
Some screenshots I took of it are here.

I am intrigued by MDJ's ultimate...partly because it has a regular phone apk i think. How did it fair in the consumption department?

I tried it and it was good but it's now discontinued.
One of m-deejay's latest roms is Virtuous Doubleshot v1.0.1.
You should try all or any of them and learn that way.

[Q] Need help with choosing OS

Hello
Im a proud owner of DesireZ, got it from my provider for free, and I could not possibly think of a better phone than this. On stock clock - it runs high graphic games, and it runs smooth. I really cant imagine what would someone do with announced Exynos 2Ghz on SGS3, apart from resolution requirements. But than again, everything above ~250ppi is just retarded, by my standards. This HTC phone is perfect for me.
so, my question is -
1. need to replace stock rom with something good
2. need fully working phone (camera also, so no ICS for me, I guess )
3. need info on Sense version that doesnt cause bugs and problems, cause I have read lots of topics with people complaining. (lagging after couple of hours, need restart and so on)
4. CM, or ICS, or some pre-tunned Gingerbread .. ?
As I have done this before with some similar devices, please link the following to me:
1. root instructions
2. backup instructions
3. best OS by my requirements (smoothness, no bugs, and pre-installed OC software are priority)
and that's it
Im sorry in advance, cause there will surely be someone that says - use search, but Im making it like this cause regular visitors of site can find that with much more ease than I could. Appreciate help in advance.

Welcome to the DZ/G2 forums!
The procedure of using gfree to root and carrier unlock your DZ is in my signature. Depending on your current installed version of ROM, you may or may not have to downgrade your phone.
The most stable versions of ROMs that I have personally tried are the following.
Virtuous Sense: The closest stock DZ ROM you can get with optimizations and tweaks. It's been debloated of carrier crap and has an OC kernel up to 1.5GHz if I am not mistaken. The best GB Sense experience you can get IMO.
Virtuous G-Lite: The closest stock G2 ROM you can get with optimizations and tweaks. Debloated of T-Mobile's carrier crap and also OC-able to about 1.5GHz. Very light weight and able to go out 2-3 days on the stock battery on a single charge depending on usage. I would, however, recommend ditching LauncherPRO in favor of GOLauncherEX though.

Thanks man!
It is not carrier locked, cause supply stock of Serbian Telekom was only few and they didnt bother, it is a plain simple out-of-the-factory Desire Z.
If I choose G-lite, can I flash my regular DesireZ, are there limitations between G2/DZ .. ?
Does OC-ing to, lets say - 1.2Ghz shorten battery life ?
I like this G-lite, as I am aware of the fact that Android generally drains much more than other OSes, as I had HTC Blackstone. 4 days on WM6.5, 1 day on Android.

If you want a Sense 3.5 ROM, but a bit refreshed, I've been using Android Revolution for a few days and it's amazingly smooth compared to the other 3.5 ones.

I would HIGHLY recommend G2 Slim. It's the latest t-mobile release of gingerbread for the G2, but it has nearly everything unnecessary removed and it has the best battery life out of ALL the ROMs on our devices.
It's a very smooth ROM with all features working, it is a bit basic but there's nothing you can't really fix with apps from the market. It's very very fast, has ridiculous amounts of free RAM, it's great with multitasking and it's even very quick when it comes to app performance.
Virtuous G-Lite is basically the same as G2 Slim, except it's much faster. It seems like the extra speed of G-Lite comes at the cost of battery life though. That said, the battery life on both of those ROMs is amazing, so you can't go wrong with either of them.
Otherwise, if you're looking for something different and a little bit fun, try out the latest gingerbread release of MIUI . You will fall in love with the theming abilities of that ROM.

Get miui, looks good, and just works. ... MIUI Android (GB)

I would highly recommend AOSP, be it G2Slim or EliteMod.
Sense and MIUI can be fun to play with, but they're just toys IMO and like to eat your RAM and battery life. They do each offer some pretty kickin' features that AOSP doesn't but I still prefer the base experience as it offers the most stability, battery-life, and overall smoothness.
Happy to hear you like the phone, I'm going on a year and a month now and I still love it! I have nothing but praises for this thing, the flash even almost survived me! But alas I have to replace it after one too many accidental hits of the Torch quick setting.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using XDA Premium HD via my tethered HTC Vision

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I would highly recommend AOSP, be it G2Slim or EliteMod.
Sense and MIUI can be fun to play with, but they're just toys IMO and like to eat your RAM and battery life. They do each offer some pretty kickin' features that AOSP doesn't but I still prefer the base experience as it offers the most stability, battery-life, and overall smoothness.
Happy to hear you like the phone, I'm going on a year and a month now and I still love it! I have nothing but praises for this thing, the flash even almost survived me! But alas I have to replace it after one too many accidental hits of the Torch quick setting.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using XDA Premium HD via my tethered HTC Vision
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I agree with this, G2 Slim and Virtuous G-lite are both fantastic AOSP ROMs that you should try out.

I like how you all automatically assume that I know the "AOSP" abreviation, but google helped me on that one
played last night with all OS-es you recommended, and in the process I made a routine with flashing so now I know what im doing, and this is hard - in terms of what to choose It is now that I actually see the potential of this phone. XDA support for this device is just awesome, one of the most supported devices generally.
@buxtahuda - had a lots of smartphones before this one, all lost due to failures:
HD2 - was crappy in terms of assemble, got loose and had really bad plastic. When I opened it it was clear that HTC assembly was not good at that time
iPhone 3g - after 6 months of usage without protection and pocket time, it looked like it had a fight with Optimus Prime.
SGS1 - fell from 2 feet and the scene looked like I dropped i light bulb - into 100 pieces. even Cornig Gorilla glass that has only one flaw - side pressure, managed to crack
DesireZ is on a whole another level. I actually managed to drop it 5th day of usage because I replaced bundle headphones (that's the only thing that sucks) and didnt have cable-control, and trying to change a song while running on high-cardio excercise (weight loss process). It fell down also having momentum cause of running and it tubmled for 4-5 meters:
still cant find where are the scratches. really, I placed it under a magnifying glass and I cant find where are the scratches from f'in concrete! awesome materials and assembly by HTC

Rooting your phone, getting S-OFF to install other Roms
Hello and have fun with your Desire Z!
Full instructions for HTC Desire Z and T-Mobile G2 Root and FULL S-OFF can be found on http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_G2
When you need support for getting S-OFF you can join the IRC channel #G2ROOT on freenode. Browser access on webchat.freenode.net . After joining the IRC webchat you can change to channel #G2ROOT using the command "/join #G2ROOT".
My favorite ROMs for the HTC Desire Z are:
* Virtuous Affinity 2.05: A little bit slow, but great experience
* Virtuous G-Lite 2.0.1: Very fast, some special software might have issues
* CyanogenMod 7.1: Great overall ROM, respectable speed and stable.
Try the ROMs and decide for yourself!
For backing up applications I recommend using Titanium Backup (Pro), for backing up your system you can use ClockworkRecovery and RomManager.
When you want to install more than one ROM on your phone at the same time then try BootManager (from Google Play). Might not work with all ROMs but is really good to try things!
Good Luck.

Congrats on your new phone! The Desire Z is starting to show its age, but considering the developer base and the fact that you got it for free, I'd say you got a pretty good deal.
Personally, I like MIUI and CyanogenMod 7. CM7 is a classic, and everyone loves it for the degree to which it preserves stock Android, while adding on a few improvements here and there. MIUI, on the other hand, gives you a complete re-imagining of the Android interface, and it can be great to use. I find myself alternating between the two every couple months, actually. That's the beauty of the Desire Z, though: the widespread developer support means you get that kind of flexibility!

I agree that Cyanogenmod 7 is fantastic but for me, i could NEVER eliminate the constant battery drain issues that i had with it no matter what. I'd still recommend it to newcomers but i think simpler ROMs like G-lite or G2 Slim are much better.
I generally like to have a clean and consistent looking UI on any ROM that i use and CM7's styling seemed to always take a way from the stock gingerbread feel that i was looking for. That's my opinion.
Right now, i'm using Virtuous G-lite and now i know what it's like to have a really really fast phone xD.
As far as Sense ROMs go, my experience showed me that Virtuous Affinity 2.05.0 was the fastest and most stable out of all the Sense 3.* ROMs.

After many tries, I decided to stay on G-lite mainly cause of the battery, but I would also like to give a chance to Virtuous Sense, cause it seemed (for a hour of usage) like a pretty decent ROM.
MIUI reppeled me with the iPhony look, that's sometnig I want to avoid in the future, even if it has only a fraction to do with rotten Apple.
The best option would be, if anyone ever creates it, ICS based system with the "strip-down" settings like G-lite. that I would like very much
Anyways, this phone is Awesome. I did not have a hype like this with any other phone, and as I stated, I had them all shortly after release (HD2, SGS1, iPhone 3G). The only thing that's bothering me is metal back-cover which I guess will be all bumpy in the future (I hate putting my phone in covers and skins) But I guess I could recreate it out of metal, since I am good with power tools and fine cutting of stuff, and like to do that kind of projects

[Q] Custom or Stock ROM

Once I am certain that my One X is fault free I want to Root and install a custom ROM on it. But I heard some feedback on another Thread that the custom ROM they were on was actually worse than the Stock ROM and they were going back to Stock.
What I would like is some feedback from current users of custom ROM's on the One X.
Whether you think it has improved your experience of using the One X?
What ROM you are on?
Is battery life improved?
What's not working?
Any other thoughts?
This is NOT a "What Custom ROM is best" thread, because that is down to individual preference. I just want to gauge whether I am gaining anything by Unlocking (voiding my warranty) and flashing custom.
Any thoughts apreciated....

I'm on Coredroid 2.0 for the last week and so far all is great, battery either better or the same, no issues, looks better than stock so I keep it.
I do have stock backup just in case but looks like I won't need it.
I'v been using Coredroid ROMs on my previous phones and always liked it so it was easy choice for me.

just to add i have flashed first Android Revolution and it blew me away. But now i am using LeeDroid and i highly recommend it due to the fact how well the Leedroid tweaks blend with the rom and how lite and fast it is for me that is.. Stock rom is good as well but with all the bloatware removed i am more than happy.
Battery life best always to judge over a few cycles but so far not bad my friend. I would go for Leedroid for now. and you have few nice mods in themes and apps to play with to.

Honestly many Roms are similar so bloatware removed, mods available. Just choose one you visually like

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Honestly many Roms are similar so bloatware removed, mods available. Just choose one you visually like
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have to admit CoreDroid looks nice and visually eye candy material...looking forward when we get some good themes going as well

Took the plunge and have flashed Android Revolution HD, as I used that on my Sensation.
Hope my phone doesn't break now!!

not too impressed with arhd battery life. tried insertcoin tht wasnt very good either for battery but both emntioned roms very speedy. i think the three stock rom is optimized for our network 3g consumption and the reason three didnt release the 1.28 update like the rest is because of the radio [posibly and the network handling protocols within the rom.
hmmm im back on stock for now removed bloatware with titanium much much better just want a theme.
ics browser is better and and so it the phone app in my opnion would love them to be flashable like on my sensation but still keep sense!