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If you go to a website with an embedded youtube video, the video won't show up unless you have flash lite turned on, which is awful quality.
Now afaik on other android phones, and indeed the iphone, if you go to a website with embedded youtube videos they show up in h.264 format, without the need for flash. Why has HTC disabled this? (or am I missing something)
Let me try this again in a while (on YouTube) but I have definitely watched flash vids within the browser many times (not on YouTube that I recall though). Poor quality at best, very grainy.
I haven't tried playing YouTube directly within the browser to date simply because I like it opening in the YouTube app better (I get the option to choose this).
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you're missing something.
most phones get redirected to m.youtube.com
some sites are still using flash 9, which flashlite can play.
if a site is using flash 10, then you're ****ed because flash 10 is only in beta and only on 2.2
It's probably the Flash Lite plugin and the normal Youtube plugin (like on other Android phones) don't work well together and HTC disabled the normal plugin.
You probably have to find a way to remove Flash Lite completely.
Or maybe you wait until there's a Froyo ROM available within a few days/weeks or so and flash this, to get the full Flash 10.1, which should work much better than Flash Lite.
shaundalglish said:
It's probably the Flash Lite plugin and the normal Youtube plugin (like on other Android phones) don't work well together and HTC disabled the normal plugin.
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I'm assuming the normal plugin is where it redirects YouTube URLs to the YouTube app? Because that's the most frustrating part about this flaw!
Yes normal is the redirection to the Youtube app.
It sounds like even with flash 10.1 you can only get to watch the h.264 version if you load that flash video, then double tap on it to bring up the youtube player.
I would prefer it to load the h.264 video by default, because it's always going to perform better than flash, no matter how hard adobe tries.
YouTube embedded vids are an exception for me in so far as not playing embedded, many other site vids are doing so in decent quality (as relative as that is). Indeed, tricking the browser and YouTube to think it's a Desktop or iPhone accessing it is simple as well as showing the Desktop view, but then, you'll just see a black area where the vid would be with a message by shockwave that "this type of content is not supported". It won't play which is odd for me due to other site vids at higher quality that do play.
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It sounds like even with flash 10.1 you can only get to watch the h.264 version if you load that flash video, then double tap on it to bring up the youtube player.
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Doing such a tap provokes the browser to give me the option of either playing the vid using the YouTube app or using HTC Flash app.
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Just use a different browser (Dolphin for example). The default browser (htc modified) does not allow it.
Suggestion:
Go to www.youtube.com/html5 and signup.
Make sure you're signed in on youtube.com on your mobile.
Try it now.
Just use a different browser (Dolphin for example). The default browser (htc modified) does not allow it.
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I use Xscope and Dolphin... they don't allow such embedded video through browser viewing on YouTube.
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pascanu said:
Just use a different browser (Dolphin for example). The default browser (htc modified) does not allow it.
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I could, but I don't really want to install another browser just to watch YouTube videos when I happen to come across one.
I think by loading skyfire is the only way you could view most videos in the way in which you say. But also the iphone cannot load videos from within its browser, only from its dedicated you tube player, and that has restrictions like nit being able to download to twitter or facebook etc. Some people are saying though that skyfire doesnt work fire them. Works a treat for me and plays 90 percent of videos that I stumble across.
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I think by loading skyfire is the only way you could view most videos in the way in which you say. But also the iphone cannot load videos from within its browser, only from its dedicated you tube player, and that has restrictions like nit being able to download to twitter or facebook etc. Some people are saying though that skyfire doesnt work fire them. Works a treat for me and plays 90 percent of videos that I stumble across.
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You can on the iPhone, the videos show u exactly where thy are embedded, nd then you tap them and they play.
Its stupid because so many websites use h.264 video now, which android does support, yet we can't watch them.
Not sure I follow.
I go to YouTube (the proper site) on the HTC browser, I tap on a video, it loads and plays. What am I doing right?
I go to YouTube (the proper site) on the HTC browser, I tap on a video, it loads and plays. What am I doing right?
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It is that simple actually.
The thing is videos are played in a Flash player, instead of the Youtube app. Some people want to have it play in the Youtube app.
I go to YouTube (the proper site) on the HTC browser, I tap on a video, it loads and plays. What am I doing right?
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It is that simple actually.
The thing is videos are played in a Flash player, instead of the Youtube app. Some people want to have it play in the Youtube app.
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The issue here is samac92 wanting YouTube videos to play embedded in the browser like his iPhone did, without using flash, which they don't. I have no issue with the default actions.
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Embedded in the browser? The iPhone can't do that.
You can change the Youtube site to see the HTML5 version. You can do that on the Desire, I guess you can also do it on the iPhone. But that's with the Youtube site itself.
Embedded in the browser?
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Then it's likely that I misunderstood what he is saying.
You can change the Youtube site to see the HTML5 version. You can do that on the Desire, I guess you can also do it on the iPhone. But that's with the Youtube site itself.
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What exactly changes if using HTML5 in the context of the video itself?
The stock vids the Flash app plays on YouTube are in FLV mostly, right? But when you download those vids, it offers the H.264 MP4 files. Does HTML5 allow the better H.264 MP4 vid file to be played in the YouTube app through streaming?
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Looks pretty friggen good. This is just part of the news with the announcement of the final tools being available.
They took an interesting route with YouTube. You use the browser to find the video and then it pops up a YouTube plugin/app automatically that plays the video.
You can see the other ones in action here (scroll down a bit).
It looks ok.
Don't see what's so interesting about youtube, I thought every OS except WM did that?
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It looks ok.
Don't see what's so interesting about youtube, I thought every OS except WM did that?
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There really isn't anything interesting other than it's there. People were questioning it and saying it wouldn't come because it hadn't been shown off yet. It was one of the knocks on WP7 in the reviews of the preview/dev release.
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It looks ok.
Don't see what's so interesting about youtube, I thought every OS except WM did that?
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I have a youtube client on my MW phone.
Kloc said:
I have a youtube client on my MW phone.
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I do too but it doesn't launch when I tap a video on a web page, I have to launch it separately and enter something to view it. In web pages I just have built-in Flash videos, which are very awkward to control. I very much prever external viewing.
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I do too but it doesn't launch when I tap a video on a web page, I have to launch it separately and enter something to view it. In web pages I just have built-in Flash videos, which are very awkward to control. I very much prever external viewing.
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True this would probably be alot more efficient.
Btw, I read somewhere in an RSS feed I can't easily locate that it's not a YouTube app, the browser simply launches videos in the video player. Using iPhone now I totally don't get what the fuss is about flash support as ios handles most videos on the web, not just YouTube. Maybe if I played flash games I would miss something.
Kloc said:
I have a youtube client on my MW phone.
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I meant the clicking on a video in your browser part.
When I click a link mine asks:
Browser
Youtube
Skyfire
And
Would you like to set a default?
What about videos that aren't from YouTube?
Then youtube doesn't show up in the list.
And you have to watch the video in the browser?
Nope, I can chose how I would like to view it.
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I do too but it doesn't launch when I tap a video on a web page, I have to launch it separately and enter something to view it. In web pages I just have built-in Flash videos, which are very awkward to control. I very much prever external viewing.
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On my WM 6.5.3 I tap a video on m.youtube and it launches the native device player.
vetvito said:
Nope, I can chose how I would like to view it.
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Which, excluding the YouTube application means the browser and skyfire (another browser).
doministry said:
On my WM 6.5.3 I tap a video on m.youtube and it launches the native device player.
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Yes, I know about m.youtube. It doesn't have all videos though.
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Which, excluding the YouTube application means the browser and skyfire (another browser).
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No, skyfire has a video player.
So I was on SuperTube (paid version) trying to play a music video uploaded yesterday.
This specific video had up to 1080p quality, and I decided to stream the 720p version on SuperTube. Five seconds later I received a "Open Video Error!".
After using Keepvid.com to download this specific video, it turns out the video was part of the new wave of WebM encoded videos on YouTube.
To further confirm this issue, I specifically looked for WebM encoded videos on YouTube, sent it to my WP7, and copy-pasted the video name into SuperTube to try. Same error.
We all know that Microsoft is not going to support the codec, and SuperTube depends on Zune to play the .MP4 contained videos from YouTube.
Also, in some cases, the native YouTube app is unable to play the videos.
It is important to note that YouTube still encodes 360p videos using H264 and not WebM, as I was able to play those fine on SuperTube. LazyTube tends to play most of my test cases, with exceptions.
So, here I am presenting this potential problem (as YouTube will completely more to WebM soon) with WP7 YouTube and Video codec problem. What are you thoughts?
Any Ideas?
PS: To further confirm that 360p videos work and 720p videos do not, I downloaded the videos and uploaded them to my phone directly through Explorer (using the registry hack to make the device appear) and the 360p worked, while the 720p did not.
I've read and heard from my friends reports that there are problems with HD videos on Android devices, too. Whether this is due to WebM or not I don't know.
The whole world must bend over backwards now because Google doesn't like paying. No single SoC supports decoding WebM at this time, so it's not even up to Microsoft. Whether we will see hardware support for this new codec is questionable because it's not at all clear whether it's clean in terms of IP and patents. With open source stuff, the one who implements something is sued, not the one who wrote stuff.
Serriously I dont see the need for Google to push WebM, H.264 is well supported, it's funny that google make a webM plugin for IE9 and MS make a H.264 plugin for chrome
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Serriously I dont see the need for Google to push WebM, H.264 is well supported, it's funny that google make a webM plugin for IE9 and MS make a H.264 plugin for chrome
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native app on iphone is "missing" a lot of videos, many cant be played on mobile devices anymore. Also the copyrighted stuff or blocked in your country is getting worse. Its time for a good alternative to come up and all just switch away from youtube, unfortunately there is none and its a great service.
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I've read and heard from my friends reports that there are problems with HD videos on Android devices, too. Whether this is due to WebM or not I don't know.
The whole world must bend over backwards now because Google doesn't like paying. No single SoC supports decoding WebM at this time, so it's not even up to Microsoft. Whether we will see hardware support for this new codec is questionable because it's not at all clear whether it's clean in terms of IP and patents. With open source stuff, the one who implements something is sued, not the one who wrote stuff.
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Only Andorid 2.3.2 (or 3) and above support WebM. Lower versions do not.
You can decode in software, but LOL on a mobile device that is kind of laughable. Say bye bye to your battery as this overworks your processor...
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native app on iphone is "missing" a lot of videos, many cant be played on mobile devices anymore. Also the copyrighted stuff or blocked in your country is getting worse. Its time for a good alternative to come up and all just switch away from youtube, unfortunately there is none and its a great service.
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don't blame youtube for these issues. blame coyrights, drm, and people that think nothing should ever be redistributed. youtube is following what the lawyers say they have to.
ohgood said:
don't blame youtube for these issues. blame coyrights, drm, and people that think nothing should ever be redistributed. youtube is following what the lawyers say they have to.
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I understand why. Its just stupid it has never been like this but as of recently there are a ton of videos being blocked. Even though the rights to broadcast have been always there and now they are just gone. So yeah no wonder people blame youtube if the exact same vids could always be watched trough officials channels then all of a sudden not supported in your country.
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Only Andorid 2.3.2 (or 3) and above support WebM. Lower versions do not.
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Android 2.3.3 cannot add hardware support for a new codec if it's missing in the device SoC. Or can it?
I can't imagine hardware support for WebM appearing overnight unless it's the same thing as MPEG4 Part 10 (which is what MPEG-LA will be happy to sue the hell out of everyone over).
^ wow
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...-it-webm-support/&category=classic&postPage=1
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^ wow
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Wow what exactly? Is it true hardware support or software decoding?
It's probably software, but does it matter? Future SoCs may (most likely will) start supporting it in hardware because Google has the means to force feed it down consumers' throats. Once they finish transcoding all the YouTube content and switch to an HTML5 interface by default this can severely limit non-Android devices, especially if you don't want a device with Adobe Flash, since the site will stream WebM to your device.
Unless they keep H.264 versions as well, in which case I don't care.
But I don't like the way they are trying to force feed an inferior media codec down everyone's throats...
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It's probably software, but does it matter?
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You answered your question yourself a few posts ago:
N8ter said:
You can decode in software, but LOL on a mobile device that is kind of laughable. Say bye bye to your battery as this overworks your processor...
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N8ter said:
Future SoCs may (most likely will) start supporting it in hardware because Google has the means to force feed it down consumers' throats. Once they finish transcoding all the YouTube content and switch to an HTML5 interface by default this can severely limit non-Android devices, especially if you don't want a device with Adobe Flash, since the site will stream WebM to your device.
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I'm not at all sure about it. Judging by how they are treating their own Android customers, the majority of whom aren't using 2.3.whatever with WebM support, they just don't give a damn. It'll be up to OEMs and chip makers. And those guys may get in trouble with WebM because of possible lawsuits, not Google. So it'll most probably end with software decoding as supplied by Google (although even that won't save them because Google doesn't protect their OEMs in patent and other IP issues).
But that's just my guess.
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But I don't like the way they are trying to force feed an inferior media codec down everyone's throats...
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Exactly. I find this uber annoying. But not at all surprising.
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Wow what exactly? Is it true hardware support or software decoding?
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read the article, you'll understand the wow. Google sux
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You answered your question yourself a few posts ago:
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I meant does it matter in the grand scheme of things. Android phone users have gotten so used to poor battery life that most of them don't care. They'll just not use their phone for a couple days to post standby times on a forum and be happy.
What the underlying "what's it matter" meant (quite vaguely, I admit) what... Does it matter if it's software or hardware? Google's point is to promote their own codec by using their YouTube muscle, and they're going to make sure their own Browsers and Mobile platform are there first, which could potentially give consumers a reason to pick an Android phone over a competitor's...
So, does it matter if it's software or hardware if they are still accomplishing their goals (pushing WebM via YouTube down our throats and making sure Android is the first mobile OS to support it)?
Can you give a URL of a video that is not available? I think it's a bug in the software. YouTube is NOT going to encode videos in WebM exclusively. All videos in every resolution should be available in H264 and WebM.
This might change as soon as Adobe release a WebM capable Flash Player (10.4 maybe)...
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Can you give a URL of a video that is not available? I think it's a bug in the software. YouTube is NOT going to encode videos in WebM exclusively. All videos in every resolution should be available in H264 and WebM.
This might change as soon as Adobe release a WebM capable Flash Player (10.4 maybe)...
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I can't give you a URL, but as of two days ago, my colleagues with DHD couldn't view a single newly uploaded HD video on YouTube with the built in client.
This may be because of a different problem though, that WebM is at fault is just my guess.
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Can you give a URL of a video that is not available? I think it's a bug in the software. YouTube is NOT going to encode videos in WebM exclusively. All videos in every resolution should be available in H264 and WebM.
This might change as soon as Adobe release a WebM capable Flash Player (10.4 maybe)...
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YouTube is encoding all new videos in WebM, and transcoding a lot of others. I think most HD videos are being encoded to WebM.
Who are are you to say what they should be available as? You don't own YouTube, Google does...
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YouTube is encoding all new videos in WebM, and transcoding a lot of others. I think most HD videos are being encoded to WebM.
Who are are you to say what they should be available as? You don't own YouTube, Google does...
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I think he meant they should be, as in "if you check, you should find that they are encoded as both" not that he was stating what policies Google should be using. Whether he is right concerning the availability of both formats, I can't say.
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I have just confirmed this further with many more recent HD updates (from 25th of April and onwards), as well as a couple of my own videos uploaded.
The 720p and 1080p versions ARE being encoded in WebM, while the rest of the formats are still in their older forms...
Leave it up to google to fragment the hell out of something.......
Here is what Ive noticed with youtube as of late...
"Vevo" videos(music videos by signed artists that are sponsored or something by Vevo) do not show up when searched for on my ipod touch or my girlfriend's iphone<<<< This is stupid and is recent. Maybe because of the no ads thing on ipod's or iphone...I dont really know. They do however work with fastcode's Supertube app which is great. I dont know how long this will last with Supertube but Im hoping it doesnt change. Somehow fastcode is able to write a workaround with their code I guess. Again I dont know. All the while Microsoft is having some sort of issue with getting a proper youtube app out there for some other dumb reason probably to blame on Google. However Microsoft does allow Supertube to break rules by allowing the download feature to keep going. Again this is weird.
Now Youtube is encoding all hd videos in some new format "WebM" which Im certain will further complicate things on the developer side of things. This is just confusing.
Im not saying Google should allow people to just use their service for free or without any restrictions but I do not like the fact that Google sucks everyone in by leaving everything open at the beginning and then closes it up once they establish dominance in the market subsequently leaving people stranded and with no other choices.
I'm trying to watch videos from the BBC mobile sports site http://www.bbc.co.uk/sportmobile on my HOX but when I load the page I'm getting the message "Sorry your phone is not compatible to play media from this website"
Any suggestions on how I fix this?
Yep, it won't work in the built in browser (nor in Chrome).
However, it works fine in Dolphin Browser HD and Opera Mobile, both free in the market.
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I'm trying to watch videos from the BBC mobile sports site http://www.bbc.co.uk/sportmobile on my HOX but when I load the page I'm getting the message "Sorry your phone is not compatible to play media from this website"
Any suggestions on how I fix this?
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It works for me.....
Try enabling the flash player, not sure if that would make a difference.
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It works for me.....
Try enabling the flash player, not sure if that would make a difference.
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Spot on, I enabled the flash player (which I had completely overlooked) and it works fine. Any idea why this is disabled by default? Is it to conserve the battery?
Can someone please check if YouTube mobile page loads on stock or any other browser? My phone for about a couple of days doesn't load YouTube mobile page and embedded videos don't show up on other sites. For example can you check here if videos appear for you?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-ufc-demo-performance-analysis
Fine here.
All working fine on my device as well.
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All working fine on my device as well.
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Are you sure you are talking about browser and not the app? I can't understand how this is happening only to me. My s3 also has the same problem so it isn't related to M8.
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Are you sure you are talking about browser and not the app? I can't understand how this is happening only to me. My s3 also has the same problem so it isn't related to M8.
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Yes sir. Hence why I said "all", I tested Youtube mobile and both stock browser and google chrome browser. I can view videos from all sources. I also tested with the link you showed, it plays fine.