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Best Video Player for TP2?

I am trying to find a good player for .avi, .mpeg4, etc. for my TP2. I used to use TCPMP but when I installed it on my TP2 it errors out at launch. Any ideas? Is there a newer version of TCPMP that is compatible?
Thanks!

The WMP supports avi and mp4. And it works!

Hmm, it does not work for me. That is strange.

dcam1075 said:
I used to use TCPMP but when I installed it on my TP2 it errors out at launch. Any ideas? Is there a newer version of TCPMP that is compatible?
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Try here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3275845&postcount=172
Once installed you need to go into Options/Settings... and choose the DirectDraw page, then tick the box that says "Use blitting instead of overlay".

Try Core Player. It is amazing... it is also running via network (wifi)

the best video player is coreplayer

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the best video player is coreplayer
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The impression I get from reading these fora is that CorePlayer may be the best but that it's still not actually particularly good, as it is unable to benefit from any of the hardware acceleration provided by the Qualcomm chipset - this being HTC's fault for providing dodgy or non-existent drivers. It seems like this is a major weakness of the TP2.

Actually, from what I remember, it's not HTC's fault per se, so it's not really fair to blame HTC. The thing is that Qualcomm sold their chipsets but different price ranges for the same chip. The difference being that if one paid more then they'd get the drivers necessary to take advantage of other features. Basically one has to pay for the drivers. So HTC's player includes hardware acceleration, but just because it seems they have gotten the drivers for that feature doesn't mean that they can pass the drivers on to software makers (just like you can't legally pass your copy of a game on to a friend). But neither can we say it's Qualcomm's fault as it was their pricing plan. I think somewhere it was stated that it was a misunderstanding at some point. But yeah, that's the gist, and why if Coreplayer is to work they have to reverse engineer the drivers or deal with Qualcomm directly.

What's wrong with the built-in free WMP? It plays 640x480 MP4 (H.264) videos smoothly.

solsearch said:
Actually, from what I remember, it's not HTC's fault per se, so it's not really fair to blame HTC. The thing is that Qualcomm sold their chipsets but different price ranges for the same chip. The difference being that if one paid more then they'd get the drivers necessary to take advantage of other features. Basically one has to pay for the drivers. So HTC's player includes hardware acceleration, but just because it seems they have gotten the drivers for that feature doesn't mean that they can pass the drivers on to software makers (just like you can't legally pass your copy of a game on to a friend). But neither can we say it's Qualcomm's fault as it was their pricing plan. I think somewhere it was stated that it was a misunderstanding at some point. But yeah, that's the gist, and why if Coreplayer is to work they have to reverse engineer the drivers or deal with Qualcomm directly.
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Let me get this straight... Your saying it's not HTC's fault because you think they didn't know they were buying chipsets without drivers from Qualcomm. To me it sounds like they cheaped out and screwed consumers.
I highly doubt its a misunderstanding and I'm not afraid to place blame because I'm more than certain HTC knew what they were doing otherwise they wouldn't keep ordering more of the same chipset to produce new phones.
If this were really the case I would assume we would see slightly different hardware or drivers included with CDMA versions since they would have had time to figure this out since everyone else already has.

Gave up Core Player for the Touch phones. It doesn't play movies at all well. Just use the built-in WMP or the HTC album player.
Download the Encoder GUI and just re-encode your movies. Let it run during your bedtime. Easy!

Lord_BlackAdder said:
What's wrong with the built-in free WMP? It plays 640x480 MP4 (H.264) videos smoothly.
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For starters, it doesn't play xvid.

Shasarak said:
For starters, it doesn't play xvid.
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Re-encode it using the Encoder GUI. Why fight it?
Don't think there any mobile phones that can play xvid videos at 800x480 smoothly. Even the latest i8000 only supports video playback at up to 720x480.
Even if you get an iPhone, you will still need to convert it to in order for you to watch it.
My solution, either re-encode it, or play a lower resolution xvid (i think i tried it once at 622x288, can't remember and it played ok in core player).

I'd go with Coreplayer too as it has the widest range of codecs available BUT if the bitrate of your clip is too high your phone won't like it whatever player you use (but you probably knew that anyway...)

Hi Everyone I have found that GOM Encoder does an outstanding job of converting any movie to a playable format for the Rhodium

reddog said:
Hi Everyone I have found that GOM Encoder does an outstanding job of converting any movie to a playable format for the Rhodium
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Hey, good find! Will give it a try for sure! Cheers!

Core player has some nice features, but benchmarking h264 playback it was somewhat lacking compaired to windows media player mobile....
95% of the time u will want to/have to re-encode to make it smaller or lower the bitrate to something it can play, so codec support shoudnt be a choosing factor...
I get WMPM playing smooth with H264(1300~ bitrate) and ACC audio(stereo at 128 varieable bitrate) at 800x416. which is dame nice quality on the small screen
I'll start a thread on encoding with MeGUI to get you all started

But I can't get full screen on WMP
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What's wrong with the built-in free WMP? It plays 640x480 MP4 (H.264) videos smoothly.
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Do you know what I'm doing wrong? After not being able to use WMP on my Universal (WM5) because it could not do full screen - I load a movie into WMP on my shiny new Touch Pro 2 and 'full screen' isn't - it has a dirty great big border round it! The video is smaller then the screen but WMP is set to stretch to screen. What gives??
John

Shasarak said:
Try here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3275845&postcount=172
Once installed you need to go into Options/Settings... and choose the DirectDraw page, then tick the box that says "Use blitting instead of overlay".
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wow that done the trick for me, awesome playback imo

I tried the Touch HD encoder and used the advised settings in the thread.
Playback is smooth in HTC Album, but the quality seemed fuzzier than my normal method.
So back I go to:
Coreplayer
Videos encoded using PocketDivXEncoder with the following settings:
HDTV preset
Video quality: 70
Audio quality: maximum
Resize the video so that the video width is 400 pixels, maintaining the aspect ratio.

DIVX support in FroYo?

Now that some of us (who own a N1) are receiving the OTA update for android 2.2..... Is there anyone who can tell, if there is DIVX support in Froyo?
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MXdar said:
Now that some of us (who own a N1) are receiving the OTA update for android 2.2..... Is there anyone who can tell, if there is DIVX support in Froyo?
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Definitley not.

abc27 said:
Definitley not.
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Too bad... thanks for clearing that up

I really cant believe google still decided not to include DIVX support for their device! The hardware supposed to support them (in fact too good for it).

Patiently awaiting release of coreplayer for Android
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Dont.. Coreplayer is over priced rubbish. Those guys blame all sorts of things on the lack of APIs and inferior SDKs, when really they just cant do something and justify the huge price they ask. Simple fact.. Android will not support a player that costs 19.99. zyflash is as good as coreplayer would ever get on Android, unless HTC release Divx support. If they do there is no reason to pay for coreplayer since the native player will work fine, and a number of free of cheap alternatives will pop up.
Coreplayer for winmo has been a waste of time for the recent CPUs because qualcomm simply dont support anything but the MPEG4 format they accelerate. Coreplayer isnt getting around this, its just letting you play the files unaccelerated, playback performance is not good.

Why d'ya want DivX anyway? It's a desperately outdated, inefficent format, and I have to use ffmpeg to play it under Windows because the official DivX decoder is horrible, crashes and has dreadful quality. Why support that nonsense? H.264 FTW!

i got an Hd2 with coreplayer and im able to see any divx with excellent frame rate! the only issue is the lack of AC3 audio codec support.
it's a shame that i can't do the same on desire - just drag&drop a movie to see it outside!

Foolishboy1 said:
This isn't the first time I've seen an opinionated fool like this idiot wade in with such nonsense about Divx / Xvid - some fools just don't think things through. I have approx 3,000 films of which around 98% are in Divx / Xvid - have you any idea how much room that takes up ? Well, son , some quick mathematics would indicate if we just arbitrarily said each film was 700MB, then 3,000 * 700 = 2,100,000MB - do you REALLY think I'm going to re-encode these ? Get a life son and think it through - at present, the lack of Divx / Xvid support is a serious pain in the arse, something which needs to be addressed - I understand it has to do with the underlying Java in Android - whatever - Froyo / Gingerbread needs to up the Android game, which I feel they are doing, to make it a multimedia powerhouse - chop chop
Simon xx
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Not being funny but WHY are they in Divx format? I have hundred of movies as well, NONE are in Divx. Divx is dead, MPEG4 is how its going to be because hardware acceleration for MPEG 4 is fast and cheap and efficient.
So you have loads of Divx films, fine, your phone will not hold anything like all of them, so encode when you want to put one on.
Lets get one thing straight. Divx support is BACKWARDS compatibility. Backwards compatibility is never guaranteed in any format change. MP4 is everywhere now, from audio, to youtube, digital satellite and cable through to high end Blu-ray. 700MB Divx implies low res, low bit rate DVD rips, a pretty horrid experience if i may say. If i had those files i would be upgrading to BR rips or at least up scaled higher bitrate files. Even if i didnt want to do that a conversion to MP4 wouldn't take long on such a file.

PaoloWeckl said:
i got an Hd2 with coreplayer and im able to see any divx with excellent frame rate! the only issue is the lack of AC3 audio codec support.
it's a shame that i can't do the same on desire - just drag&drop a movie to see it outside!
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Its 'ok' on the HD2 yeah, but still costs a lot when TCPMP is free and almost as good. zyPlayer (as its now called in 1.4 form) seems better for WMV files now on Android, most play quite smoothly, AVIs are still a bit sluggish.

rovex said:
Divx is dead, MPEG4 is how its going to be because hardware acceleration for MPEG 4 is fast and cheap and efficient.
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Small point of order, but it's a little bit of a nonsense to talk about DivX and MPEG4 in these terms, because DivX *is* MPEG4.
More specifically, DivX is an implementation of the MPEG4 Part 2.
What you are really referring to is H264, which is an implementation of MPEG4 Part 10.
To say that DivX is dead at this stage though would be premature - If you're a regular downloader of TV shows via BitTorrent, most of the content you find will be DivX/XVid. Given that Samsung and LG Android phones support DivX, and that HTC announced that the Desire would be getting an update to support DivX, there are clear indications that support for the codec is still desirable - legacy codec or not.
Regards,
Dave

divx
It's not a sunrise that froyo doesn't include divx support.
Google are responsible for the OS
It is HTC who have to update the feature. And put divx support. Personally to me its not a deal breaker . I had a Samsung jet with divx support never had cause to watch a film on it.

dahmmy said:
I had a Samsung jet with divx support never had cause to watch a film on it.
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Given the size of the Jet i wouldnt either.. but i had/have the Omnia HD and i can tell you it was brilliant to watch TV/Films on it. Infact it was so cool i could just drop files onto the SD card and then at lunch time at work just nip out and pass the time watching a proggy.
Now i had to know what i fancy to watch and wait 1hour even 2 hours for it to convert.

foxmeister said:
Small point of order, but it's a little bit of a nonsense to talk about DivX and MPEG4 in these terms, because DivX *is* MPEG4.
More specifically, DivX is an implementation of the MPEG4 Part 2.
What you are really referring to is H264, which is an implementation of MPEG4 Part 10.
To say that DivX is dead at this stage though would be premature - If you're a regular downloader of TV shows via BitTorrent, most of the content you find will be DivX/XVid. Given that Samsung and LG Android phones support DivX, and that HTC announced that the Desire would be getting an update to support DivX, there are clear indications that support for the codec is still desirable - legacy codec or not.
Regards,
Dave
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Only ever download HD content so Divx isnt an issue for me.

Popping out at lunch to watch a film....
That's sad , why don't you ask that girl that you always fancied out for lunch instead of being billy no mates..

You should use this player may be, i read my old avi with no prob...
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=642713

dahmmy said:
Popping out at lunch to watch a film....
That's sad , why don't you ask that girl that you always fancied out for lunch instead of being billy no mates..
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lol!!
sometimes u get mithered all day you just want to get out and chill for an hour.
but hey its spring/summer now and thats usually involved a trip to the bear gardens. just annoying you have to go back to work afterwards.

kazgor said:
lol!!
sometimes u get mithered all day you just want to get out and chill for an hour.
but hey its spring/summer now and thats usually involved a trip to the bear gardens. just annoying you have to go back to work afterwards.
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Ah yes the bear gardens. A great place to spend lunch

that yxplayer sucks, andriod is not open when it comes to API, developers do not have access to hardware accelleration.
i'm also a n900 user and you can download codec support and watch almost all formats within resolution limitation.
Andriod phone suck for multi media!

yxplayer is all u need and its very well supported... 1 update a week so far for me

Rockplayerbase AVI DIVX & XVID Player!

Finally!!!
Mod. edit: Warez link removed. This is a beta, the developer didn't consent it's distribution. Consider this 1st warning!
Thread CLOSEDhttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6805512#post6805512http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6805512#post6805512

Two things!
a) This should've been posted in the Applications subforum.
b) If you'd searched these forums you'd have found that someone had already posted about this in the Applications subforum.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Two things!
a) This should've been posted in the Applications subforum.
b) If you'd searched these forums you'd have found that someone had already posted about this in the Applications subforum.
Regards,
Dave
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True it's an app, but for many people out there, it's basic functionality. I know that just like missing tasks and reminders as well as the lack of full Outlook synchronisation in Android, this lack of functionality has been a huge bone of contention for many who have taken the leap to Android only to find that they have been left up the creek without a paddle. For all it's hyped up "amazingness" how on earth can anybody release an OS with so many gaping holes, the lack of basic functionality which other OS's have as standard??
Anyway, I'm trying to spread the word. Especially because I see many people/admins have this strange idea of trying to censor this news (because it's a closed beta. - Who cares?).
Strange how there were some cryptic messages by a sysadmin on the Coreplayer forums about people keeping to the forum rules when there were no posts showing which appeared to have broken any rules! Check out pages five and six here http: // forum.corecodec .com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2885
We're here to help each other are we not?

What happens on other forums is immaterial! There are subforums here for a reason, and this news has already been posted there, which leads me to rule 1 of the XDA rules:
1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
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And I can understand why some might want to censor this "news" because it borders on warez! Yes, I'm being hypocritical because I've downloaded and installed this player, but the moment it gets onto the market I will buy it.
Regards,
Dave

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What happens on other forums is immaterial! There are subforums here for a reason, and this news has already been posted there, which leads me to rule 1 of the XDA rules:
And I can understand why some might want to censor this "news" because it borders on warez! Yes, I'm being hypocritical because I've downloaded and installed this player, but the moment it gets onto the market I will buy it.
Regards,
Dave
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At the risk of repeating myself, I, and I am certain many others out there, consider AVI playback to be basic functionality, it's not just "another app" to do some silly thing which the world managed perfectly well without before it came along. Therefore I posted it in the general subforum and pointed to another subforum which had decent info.
As to the goings on on other forums, I was referring to a good number here on XDA too! As you said, search.
And I will buy it too!! This program ROCKS!

Well I for one am glad you posted this here, cos now there is an unwatermarked version available and I didn't know that.
Thanks OP, and thanks anonymous Dev for letting it slip
Will happily buy this from the market when the code is tightened

well, this thread is the 1st i heard of it and i just played an ep of tds perfectly.
is this a divx product? or someone elses?

agreed with others.. we shouldnt be told we are not allowed to know that ROCKPlayer exists. im fine with the link/attached file being removed.. but the WHOLE thread being deleted... ?

Thanks for posting it. The app is very buggy yet, certainly not fit for anything past Alpha. It does not even play 3GP and MP4 vids that the stock player does with ease. Not even what the phone itself records. Massive frame drops, stuttering and audio out of sync on even 600Kbps vids. It does play low bitrate DivX AVIs successfully though. I'll try MKVs and XviD soon. Currently, the latest Yxplayer is far ahead, yet.
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th3 said:
Thanks for posting it. The app is very buggy yet, certainly not fit for anything past Alpha. It does not even play 3GP and MP4 vids that the stock player does with ease. Not even what the phone itself records. Massive frame drops, stuttering and audio out of sync on even 600Kbps vids. It does play low bitrate DivX AVIs successfully though. I'll try MKVs and XviD soon. Currently, the latest Yxplayer is far ahead, yet.
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Huh?
I am using it for playing AVI Xvid files of TV episodes etc (from you know where) and it plays them all without a hitch.
No bugs, no nothing. It just works!
Perhaps they could allow it to remember the last folder you opened though!
BTW, does anybody know why it needs access rights to the internet when all it does is play video files?

david_inuk said:
Huh?
I am using it for playing AVI Xvid files of TV episodes etc (from you know where) and it plays them all without a hitch.
No bugs, no nothing. It just works!
Perhaps they could allow it to remember the last folder you opened though!
BTW, does anybody know why it needs access rights to the internet when all it does is play video files?
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Agreed i was confused aswell. I've played standard HDTV avis fine with ROCK, and if i used YXPLAYER it would play with lots of stuttering
I happy for ROCK to only play DIVX i dont mind it cant do MP4s has i only ever use DIVX.

It plays flv files perfectly too.. I tested it with a bunch of stuff I ripped from xvideos with downloadhelper for firefox
It also plays Xvid just the same as divX.. I've not tried mkv yet
If you want to play mp4/3gp then use the stock player you strange person <rolleyes>

Thanks op for posting this. I say that because when I get home of an evening I have about half an hour to check my emails, news, and about 3 or 4 forums including this one. A post in the apps forum may well have got missed. My fault entirely I hasten to add. The fact remains though I would have missed it.

Huh?
I am using it for playing AVI Xvid files of TV episodes etc (from you know where) and it plays them all without a hitch.
No bugs, no nothing. It just works!
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So you've only tested XviD AVIs?
What bitrate, resolution, FPS, ratio, audio format are those files using?
Stock ROM?
To be really honest, you'd need to post more details on the files you've played. That's why I mentioned the vid properties. That's exactly how it is with any +650Kbps vid that has action/movement on mine after comparing it to how they play in Act 1.
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th3 said:
So you've only tested XviD AVIs?
What bitrate, resolution, FPS, ratio, audio format are those files using?
Stock ROM?
To be really honest, you'd need to post more details on the files you've played. That's why I mentioned the vid properties. That's exactly how it is with any +650Kbps vid that has action/movement on mine after comparing it to how they play in Act 1.
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Hi I am using a stock Orange Rom.
Video properties:
624 x 352
Bit rate 124kbs
Audio MPEG Layer-3
23 fps
Data 1127kbs
Video sample size 12 bit
video compression FFDS

I have tested several .avis which I get from you know where. 350MB Tv shows. They all worked flawlessly.

Thanks fellas.
I can confirm two aspects of what they are saying. It plays ~640*270 ~1,100Kbps XviD and DivX movies using the AVI container, with MP3 and PCM audio, flawlessly. I've just finished two full movies, one of which is 1.7GB, no problem at all. I haven't tried bigger, better resolutions and bitrates yet.
It can also play low bitrate/resolution MPEG-1, MPEG-2 and WMV vids properly.
However, it cannot run H.264 vids above ~400Kbps at such resolutions and greater without the earlier mentioned problems.
Test these .MP4 and .3GP container H.264 and MPEG-4 vids for yourself. Thanks goes to those who have uploaded them, only one is my own.
Run them on your choice of vid apps, the stock app and the Rock player. Do they play and sound perfect on the Rock player? Do they run at the correct frame rates?
Vid 1: http://db.tt/gWzJ5I
Vid 2: http://db.tt/CRx6pb
Vid 3: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JSXE2BTR
One is a 720p vid shot by the Desire itself. All of them play flawlessly on Meridian, Act 1, etc, but not so in this app. It's missing H.264 acceleration by the looks of it.
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Thanks for starting this thread, had no idea about this app. Works great!!

going to try and see if this plays 800xwhatever divx after work today.

IT's NoT A BloOdy h264 player!!
jeez ffs

Youtube works on Windows Phone 7 !!!!

Youtube works on WP7, caught on video
check it out : 1800PocketPC
once you play a video its automatically added to your Music and Video Hub !!!!

works on the youtube mobile version, http://m.youtube.com

Honestly, did anyone expect it NOT to work in WP7?

with out flash , yes many of us did not think it would work initially.

forget youtube....XVID is a supported format out of the box. Now I can do less work at work and look at animes on my phone .

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XVID is a supported format out of the box. Now I can do less work at work and look at animes on my phone .
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*Sigh*
It's not true, unfortunately, according to the official list of codecs supported in the RTM version of WP7. As you will see there, there's no xvid or divx in the list.
Luckily, MPEG-4 Part 2 Advanced Simple Profile is listed, and this means that most xvid/divx videos should work as both xvid and divx are variations of this spec.
However, this codec isn't supported in .avi container, the file should be an .mp4 or an m4v.
To add insult to injury, you will not hear any sound in those videos if they have a soundtrack encoded in mp3 or AC3. Only AAC-LC.
To summarize, there's just no way to view a real-life video in WP7 without messing with some sort of convertion. A bit of good news is that it shouldn't require hours, it should be enough to remux the video (put it into another container) and reencode audio (a bit lengthier), and it's better than what you get in Android or iOS, but still far from smooth hassle-free experience.

^ very funny.
I'll have you know that I don't need to convert videos for my phone. Have you seen the specs for new higher end Androids, they support most codecs out the box. The only codec I haven't seen work was for converted dvds or .vob.

vetvito said:
I'll have you know that I don't need to convert videos for my phone. Have you seen the specs for new higher end Androids, they support most codecs out the box.
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I know, that's brought by OEMs. Who can do the same for WP7 if they wish, although that will cost them less as the base things are covered by MS, both in terms of licensing and hardware acceleration built in. Supporting a container is should be much easier than supporting a codec. In this case all you need to do is a demultiplexer, the actual decoders are already there.

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It's not true, unfortunately, according to the official list of codecs supported in the RTM version of WP7. As you will see there, there's no xvid or divx in the list.
Luckily, MPEG-4 Part 2 Advanced Simple Profile is listed, and this means that most xvid/divx videos should work as both xvid and divx are variations of this spec.
However, this codec isn't supported in .avi container, the file should be an .mp4 or an m4v.
To add insult to injury, you will not hear any sound in those videos if they have a soundtrack encoded in mp3 or AC3. Only AAC-LC.
To summarize, there's just no way to view a real-life video in WP7 without messing with some sort of convertion. A bit of good news is that it shouldn't require hours, it should be enough to remux the video (put it into another container) and reencode audio (a bit lengthier), and it's better than what you get in Android or iOS, but still far from smooth hassle-free experience.
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Bah, I should have look at that further instead of taking the article at face value.
My 2nd thought was hoping that wasn't final and that wp7 should play everything zune does as well. So I looked up the Zune specs and the avi container isn't there either . Although the xbox 360 has supported xvid in .avi since fall 2007 I believe, so that's a glimmer of hope.
Thanks for clearing that up though. Audio & Video Codecs are a pain in the neck.

Not only codecs are a pain for everyone, but also a very confusing topic, tech blogs mix up things all the time.
The most amazing thing in all this story for me is that .avi is Microsoft's format. Why they don't support it in their products is totally beyond my comprehension.
Oh, and of course this: mp4 is based on Apple's QuickTime video format, while m4v is totally developed by Apple. Go figure.

How is Youtube support?

Is there an app? Or do you have to use the touch Youtube site?

from what i've read, the first time you visit a youtube clip, it will ask you to download an extension, and after this it will play it like would any other video. it's not a seperate application persay, but merely just an extension to IE to allow you to play the youtube clips.
I could be wrong on this, but I have seen videos of youtube playing, so it's definitely there.

The Gate Keeper said:
from what i've read, the first time you visit a youtube clip, it will ask you to download an extension, and after this it will play it like would any other video. it's not a seperate application persay, but merely just an extension to IE to allow you to play the youtube clips.
I could be wrong on this, but I have seen videos of youtube playing, so it's definitely there.
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I just read on Wikipedia it will run it in a sort of media player app, but they state that Adobe Flash 10.1 is on the way so this could be improved, or hell, there is the possibility updates will bring Youtube apps and better support.

There is built-in support for viewing the videos, but Google will need to develop a separate Youtube app if you want the off-browser experience.

Iridox said:
There is built-in support for viewing the videos, but Google will need to develop a separate Youtube app if you want the off-browser experience.
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Chances are that Google are already working on an application for YouTube.

App in Marketplace that plays Youtube over 3g is craptastic, horrible quality over 3g. Seriously over 3g the quality is worse than on a Blackberry. WTF MS?

Microsoft doesn't own YouTube, so I dunno why you're asking them.
And the quality is probably poor because it's playing 240 or 360p version of the videos instead of HQ.
That's why Google needs to release a YouTube App.
Microsoft has more important things to worry about, like, the actual operating system.

The youtube experience on WP7 is amazing.. its the first phone i ever used that didn't require a full fledged app. I sort of like it that m.youtube.com works out of the box and there isn't "an app for that" - with that being said, people are free to use the youtube api and make their own apps and google may do just that. However with m.youtube.com the quality for me is amazing. I don't watch it over 3g since AT&T rapes us with 3g bandwidth costs but over wifi the quality is beautiful. M.youtube.com also works with your login id so you can easily play your favorite and surf the website. It isn't a pretty package, but hell, sometimes its better that the web integration works this well rather than waiting for a required app

Apparently the youtube app adjusts the video settings if not on wifi. Which doesn't make sense since my 3g connection can more than handle youtube....
Maybe contact the developer and see if we can get settings adjustments.
edit: nevermind, it lists microsoft as the developer so I guess maybe an update will help?