We're all trying to be really patient with the status of our phone S-Off, and I was thinking about the update that may (or may not) be coming to our phone. I am personally not going to update when it comes out, just to be on the safe side. alpharev is obviously doing good work for us behind the scenes, and I don't want to screw up my opportunity to get S-Off and root when they release; on the off chance that an update might prevent that from happening.
Obviously, this is just my paranoia kicking in, but I've seen some people on HTC FB that are claiming that they updated, and now can't root. Thoughts?
lol, ease off the crack rock budy, it will be here any day. I havent heard any news of an update comeing the next few days anyways, so you wont have a choice most likely.
The unlock is rumored to be released "soon" (within a week was mentioned, but probably a bit optimistic), while the next update is rumored to be August (this is only a couple months away, btw). Keep in mind these are rumors.
AlphaRev will likely want to break the update to maintain device compatibility so more than likely they will keep up.
bod1ggity said:
lol, ease off the crack rock budy, it will be here any day. I havent heard any news of an update comeing the next few days anyways, so you wont have a choice most likely.
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Not sure how I'm on the pipe? I'm just saying that I'm not going to install the update right away if I have a choice. Thanks though.
I was wondering about the GPS fix that HTC is working on for the Dinc2. What if we are rooted and that is pushed out? What happens then?
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I was wondering about the GPS fix that HTC is working on for the Dinc2. What if we are rooted and that is pushed out? What happens then?
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Someone will dump the updated rom, and make it available for rooted users. The only way this update can mess something up is if HTC decides to fix the exploit that currently allows the phone to be rooted... but from what they have stated publicly, they are moving away from that direction and mind set (thank god).
Eventually a DEV will incorporate all the fixes that the OTA update has into their ROM/stock ROM, whatever. and I think it's great we have a recovery ready for when alpha drops the S-OFF. it's better than getting S-OFF and having no way to flash anything..
bod1ggity said:
lol, ease off the crack rock budy, it will be here any day. I havent heard any news of an update comeing the next few days anyways, so you wont have a choice most likely.
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Just quoting you again, and bumping the thread, in case you missed this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15053499#post15053499
Once rooted, a RUU can be torn apart and made into a root friendly ROM. We can still get all of the benefits of updates even if they do patch exploits.
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Hey folks,
I have a simple question, for those of us who installed the unoffcial 2.2 OTA manually (yes I know root is broken, yes I know I'm bad, etc.) what would be the best course of action moving forward?
If the "official" is coming out tomorrow and I can accept the update, do that? (considering any DEV's out there that are interested in finding the exploits to the official 2.2 won't work on the one released this past weekend, but the one tomorrow)
Do NOT accept the official OTA tomorrow and just leave the "unofficial" leak I have.
What do you folks think? And like I said, I understand that by accepting the risk of the unofficial OTA I broke root and there is a risk of never having root ever again (didn't have it in first place)
I'd wait. If there is a way to root the version you have, you can do that when it's published. I'm wondering if the whole pre-release thing was a ploy to get the dev community to find any holes in the update so they could plug them in the final release, especially with the new jailbreaking legalities.
If the real update is rootable, you just wait and update then. I would stay where you are if you don't really need to update to the final release.
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I'd wait. If there is a way to root the version you have, you can do that when it's published. I'm wondering if the whole pre-release thing was a ploy to get the dev community to find any holes in the update so they could plug them in the final release, especially with the new jailbreaking legalities.
If the real update is rootable, you just wait and update then. I would stay where you are if you don't really need to update to the final release.
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I kinda doubt that they were looking for root exploits with the leak, simply not enough time. I would bet they were just seeing if this broke anything spectacularly or not, basically a release candidate more than anything more malicious.
Do you want to root eventually?
If so, staying where you are keeps your chances higher. You can always upgrade, can't go back though.
If you don't care i'd update. Watch to see if htc says anything about your process to update again.
Also, if everything works fine right now, you could wait and watch what devs do.
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I should have specified but my intentions are to root in the future (if possible). And HTC did release a statement on their twitter saying that the unofficial users would free an official update to get "back on track". Whether or not that is what is coming out tomorrow is unknown...
DanBergundy said:
Do you want to root eventually?
If so, staying where you are keeps your chances higher. You can always upgrade, can't go back though.
If you don't care i'd update. Watch to see if htc says anything about your process to update again.
Also, if everything works fine right now, you could wait and watch what devs do.
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+1
Nobody has released a root method for the update yet, thus HTC won't really know what holes to close. if there is a method I'm sure they are keeping it hush hush so as NOT to alert HTC of any holes, plus if the Official update isn't rootable (slim chance the devs will figure something out) then they still have the Unofficial to work with, so stay with the unofficial and you definitly have more options, whether you need all those options is yours to decide!!
Then wait. Two chances are better than one.
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Does HTC FroYo even matter when we have CM6?
So i got the ota for my evo today and its nice to see netflix again but the battery drain is worse and still no speech. common root!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why did you install the OTA in the first place if you wanted root is what puzzles me.........root may not be achieved for months.
cant do much of anything else with it now might as well use it for what it is.
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cant do much of anything else with it now might as well use it for what it is.
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I mean users who root know NEVER to accept OTA's so it just puzzles me why they unroot and accept them (the gb ota). I guess its like the tootsie roll pop....the world may never know lol. Sorry for your loss (ur phone).
I had to get a new phone through insurance. It, unfortunately, came with the gingerbread update installed. What I want to know is, is there any reason NOT to take the 4.24 maintenance release? I would like to be able to use netflix again, but I don't want to make it even harder or impossible to root later.
Might as well. Doubt they've taken the opportunity to patch exploits that aren't generally known yet.
Still, who knows... you're always taking a chance, I guess.
Yeah, that is what I was thinking. I said screw it and installed the update a few minutes ago.
according to HTC you should at least be getting better battery life with 4.24. Is it difficullt not being rooted anymore?
I don't think there's much of a difference honestly from a development standpoint of a root exploit...
Now take this with a grain of salt, I'm not a dev of exploits or anything. But it's just an educated guess... I doubt the exploit resides in what little code they updated. So my guess is that when it's discovered it will work for both 4.22 and 4.24. I personally have updated to 4.24.
root isn't a big thing right now on the new OTA, because there aren't any custom kernels yet, few custom ROMs that bring stuff like we had in 2.2 (widgets, etc).
Eventually you will want root, but for now it's not a HUGE issue.
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according to HTC you should at least be getting better battery life with 4.24. Is it difficullt not being rooted anymore?
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Yes. It sucks. I have not had an unrooted phone since '09.
sirmx said:
root isn't a big thing right now on the new OTA, because there aren't any custom kernels yet, few custom ROMs that bring stuff like we had in 2.2 (widgets, etc).
Eventually you will want root, but for now it's not a HUGE issue.
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This assumes I even want to be using sense in the first place, which I don't. I was very happy with the various flavors of AOSP. I guess it is a testament to how attached to netflix I have become that this is even an issue.
Hey guys, just got a notification today for an Ota update got my Verizon g4. Should I take it or wait to see if a root method comes for this phone? I'm kinda starting to give up hope in root though. I'm guessing Verizon has successfully locked their phones down to the point where even the best devs can't crack them. What do you all think?
The phone hasn't been out that long. Root is coming as it almost always does eventually.
I've taken it and its a little snappier with better touchscreen response.
blkhrt13 said:
Hey guys, just got a notification today for an Ota update got my Verizon g4. Should I take it or wait to see if a root method comes for this phone? I'm kinda starting to give up hope in root though. I'm guessing Verizon has successfully locked their phones down to the point where even the best devs can't crack them. What do you all think?
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The phone hasn't been out that long. Root is coming as it almost always does eventually.
I've taken it and its a little snappier with better touchscreen response.
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Never take OTAs. Wait for root, then someone can just add those updates into ROMs/flashing new firmwares.
blkhrt13 said:
Hey guys, just got a notification today for an Ota update got my Verizon g4. Should I take it or wait to see if a root method comes for this phone? I'm kinda starting to give up hope in root though. I'm guessing Verizon has successfully locked their phones down to the point where even the best devs can't crack them. What do you all think?
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Never take OTA's if you want root. You could be waiting longer if they patched an exploit. Don't know why anyone who wants root would take OTA.
I was tempted to take the OTA as well ... but I'm going to hold off a while. Ideally I'd be running CM 12.1 anyway...........
But is there a way to keep the Updater from the constant OTA reminder? This is going to get annoying.
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I was tempted to take the OTA as well ... but I'm going to hold off a while. Ideally I'd be running CM 12.1 anyway...........
But is there a way to keep the Updater from the constant OTA reminder? This is going to get annoying.
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I know some people don't have it but some Like me so where if you go to system settings then updates it gives an option to stop it. If not @Misterxtc has been promoting a tool in the G4 General threads to help stop it
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The official 5.1 update is on it's way from Verizon next week. For those of us waiting patiently for jcase to release an s-off method, I'm thinking it might be better to avoid updating? I can only imagine the hboot will get an update with this 5.1 update. With that, it will probably undo all the work jcase has done up to this point.
Am I wrong to think this?
Is it harmless to take the update?
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The official 5.1 update is on it's way from Verizon next week. For those of us waiting patiently for jcase to release an s-off method, I'm thinking it might be better to avoid updating? I can only imagine the hboot will get an update with this 5.1 update. With that, it will probably undo all the work jcase has done up to this point.
Am I wrong to think this?
Is it harmless to take the update?
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Harmless unless you want to meet up the next time I drive down to Delaware.
There is no sense in waiting on an update for a root exploit that may or may not ever come. S-Off already works on 5.1 but Verizon users are still waiting for a root exploit as before. Odds are you could be waiting a long time. Might as well enjoy the new software while you wait.
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The official 5.1 update is on it's way from Verizon next week. For those of us waiting patiently for jcase to release an s-off method, I'm thinking it might be better to avoid updating? I can only imagine the hboot will get an update with this 5.1 update. With that, it will probably undo all the work jcase has done up to this point.
Am I wrong to think this?
Is it harmless to take the update?
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Plenty of helpful members with Java Cards to get you S-Off now. Best if you can find someone in your area to meet with to avoid shipping the device.
Went that route a couple of months ago and been happily flashing custom Rom goodness ever since.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-one-m9/general/m9-java-card-t3063247
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...it will probably undo all the work jcase has done up to this point.
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There's nothing (public) to undo. Unless by chance jcase discovered an exploit and HTC found it as well and fixed it....
It's starting to appear that many of these folks who can figure this sh*t out are losing interest in working on devices from Verizon and other carriers who go to extreme lengths to lock them down. I mean, my previous phone was a Galaxy S3 and Samsung / VZW locked them down tight. The S4 uses presumably the same security (my wife had one so I was a little up to speed on them). I haven't bothered checking the S5 or S6 but I'm confident they're not exploitable either.... Just to be clear, I'm not criticizing those folks if they're no longer trying. That's 150% their decision and choice !
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There's nothing (public) to undo. Unless by chance jcase discovered an exploit and HTC found it as well and fixed it....
It's starting to appear that many of these folks who can figure this sh*t out are losing interest in working on devices from Verizon and other carriers who go to extreme lengths to lock them down. I mean, my previous phone was a Galaxy S3 and Samsung / VZW locked them down tight. The S4 uses presumably the same security (my wife had one so I was a little up to speed on them). I haven't bothered checking the S5 or S6 but I'm confident they're not exploitable either.... Just to be clear, I'm not criticizing those folks if they're no longer trying. That's 150% their decision and choice !
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Surprisingly the SG6 is able to flash ROMs. no bootloader unlock, but still surprising considering how hard SG3/4 was locked down when I was on them.
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Surprisingly the SG6 is able to flash ROMs. no bootloader unlock, but still surprising considering how hard SG3/4 was locked down when I was on them.
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So going forward, after our edge programs are eligible etc etc, what is the best alternative to have an unlocked bootloader and root even be an option without extreme measures? Pay off the edge program and go to T-Mobile and HTC? That way the bootloader can be unlocked from HTC? I'm very thankful to have my M9 rooted and unlocked but thinking ahead, what's the best course of action? Thoughts?
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Surprisingly the SG6 is able to flash ROMs. no bootloader unlock, but still surprising considering how hard SG3/4 was locked down when I was on them.
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Is it the same as can be done on the S3 with a locked bootloader ? I'd have to go back to that forum to get the name as I don't remember it.... Safestrap ?
Looks like it's not Safestrap after all. I'm quickly scanning but don't see much details yet. I do see quite a few ROMs available though !
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Is it the same as can be done on the S3 with a locked bootloader ? I'd have to go back to that forum to get the name as I don't remember it.... Safestrap ?
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I hated SS.
I'm not exactly sure how it's done I just have a buddy on SG6 on VZW and loves it, being able to mke ROM.
I do know it isn't SS
"ping pong root"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/general/root-pingpongroot-s6-root-tool-t3103016
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I hated SS.
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Never had to deal with it.... I rooted mine the same day I rec'd it ! Same with my previous phones - all rooted in less than (2) days. Well, except for my HTC Eris. That one took a couple of months after I got it before jcase came up with an exploit.
I had scott123 "free" my M9 the day after I rec'd it.
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Never had to deal with it.... I rooted mine the same day I rec'd it ! Same with my previous phones - all rooted in less than (2) days. Well, except for my HTC Eris. That one took a couple of months after I got it before jcase came up with an exploit.
I had scott123 "free" my M9 the day after I rec'd it.
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only reason i had to use SS was cos my dad got a new phone and gave me his old sg3, and at this point it had 4.4.4 so bootloader couldnt be unlocked anymore and had to use SS, it was horrible imo