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HTC Inc2 Update- My thoughts

We're all trying to be really patient with the status of our phone S-Off, and I was thinking about the update that may (or may not) be coming to our phone. I am personally not going to update when it comes out, just to be on the safe side. alpharev is obviously doing good work for us behind the scenes, and I don't want to screw up my opportunity to get S-Off and root when they release; on the off chance that an update might prevent that from happening.
Obviously, this is just my paranoia kicking in, but I've seen some people on HTC FB that are claiming that they updated, and now can't root. Thoughts?

lol, ease off the crack rock budy, it will be here any day. I havent heard any news of an update comeing the next few days anyways, so you wont have a choice most likely.

The unlock is rumored to be released "soon" (within a week was mentioned, but probably a bit optimistic), while the next update is rumored to be August (this is only a couple months away, btw). Keep in mind these are rumors.
AlphaRev will likely want to break the update to maintain device compatibility so more than likely they will keep up.

bod1ggity said:
lol, ease off the crack rock budy, it will be here any day. I havent heard any news of an update comeing the next few days anyways, so you wont have a choice most likely.
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Not sure how I'm on the pipe? I'm just saying that I'm not going to install the update right away if I have a choice. Thanks though.

I was wondering about the GPS fix that HTC is working on for the Dinc2. What if we are rooted and that is pushed out? What happens then?

mountaineerndixie said:
I was wondering about the GPS fix that HTC is working on for the Dinc2. What if we are rooted and that is pushed out? What happens then?
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Someone will dump the updated rom, and make it available for rooted users. The only way this update can mess something up is if HTC decides to fix the exploit that currently allows the phone to be rooted... but from what they have stated publicly, they are moving away from that direction and mind set (thank god).

Eventually a DEV will incorporate all the fixes that the OTA update has into their ROM/stock ROM, whatever. and I think it's great we have a recovery ready for when alpha drops the S-OFF. it's better than getting S-OFF and having no way to flash anything..

bod1ggity said:
lol, ease off the crack rock budy, it will be here any day. I havent heard any news of an update comeing the next few days anyways, so you wont have a choice most likely.
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Just quoting you again, and bumping the thread, in case you missed this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15053499#post15053499

Once rooted, a RUU can be torn apart and made into a root friendly ROM. We can still get all of the benefits of updates even if they do patch exploits.

Battery Life-Extending Firmware Update: Got Yours?

If anyone gets this update please let us know! I am currently still on "N910AUCU1ANIE" and have not received the update for "XXU1ANJ4". Look forward to see what positive enhancements this has, have read good comments about the positive impact on battery life.
http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-note-4-firmware-update-xxu1anj4-536934/

The update mentioned isn't for the AT&T variant. No word on when we will get our update.

That's for T-Mobile variant

Even if we do get an update, there is no way I am applying it. I want root, and don't want to risk any chance that I might miss it.

At Att pace for updates we wont get it until next year and when we do it will mess our phones up.

raiu said:
At Att pace for updates we wont get it until next year and when we do it will mess our phones up.
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Lol so true

pseudoSequential said:
Even if we do get an update, there is no way I am applying it. I want root, and don't want to risk any chance that I might miss it.
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You might not have a choice. AT&T is known for force pushing updates to phones and without root you can't stop the OTA push service so you don't really have anything to worry about. Unless you disconnect from the network, you'll eventually get the update without a choice. This happened to a lot of people on the Galaxy S4 when they patched loki. Many went to bed to wake up the next morning with there phone rebooted. Some didn't even notice planning to install loki the next day only to find AT&T pushed the patch to there phone unless you remembered to disable OTA service.

[Q] Noob questions about rooting for this phone

1) Is this phone likely to get root soon after release? Just based on LG history or whatever is known about the phone so far.
2) Does being on Verizon usually mean waiting longer or not getting root access at all? If Verizon-rooted phones are rare, please let me know some good alternatives.
Thanks all for putting up with me.

89titanium said:
1) Is this phone likely to get root soon after release? Just based on LG history or whatever is known about the phone so far.
2) Does being on Verizon usually mean waiting longer or not getting root access at all? If Verizon-rooted phones are rare, please let me know some good alternatives.
Thanks all for putting up with me.
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Im sure there will be root. but it will take a while, and i dont see anybody posting on the dev section talking about root. so probobly in afew months, once they read the source of the OS, and figure out how to make root.
Im from big red, and they always lock there bootloaders. so thats alittle more work and codeing which turns into abit more waiting time if you want custom roms. but G4 seems like a pretty popular phone, so im sure root will come eventually

89titanium said:
1) Is this phone likely to get root soon after release? Just based on LG history or whatever is known about the phone so far.
2) Does being on Verizon usually mean waiting longer or not getting root access at all? If Verizon-rooted phones are rare, please let me know some good alternatives.
Thanks all for putting up with me.
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This phone hasn't been fully released yet. It will def get root. I'd give it a month or so.
I have Verizon and the G3 was unlocked within 3 months. I'm hoping since this is Qualcomm's first hexa-core, there'll be some exploits to gain root/unlock BL faster. Take it from a Sammy guy, WAIT THE FEW MONTHS. Samsung hasn't seen an unlocked BL for Verizon in 2 years.
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yep, probably gonna pull the trigger on the att g4 with their nasty corporate locked BL crap. I'd normally be concerned about root, but in this case I'm not terribly worried, because this phone will have SO much attention in the dev community. now, getting the att BL unlocked to run twrp... that's another story and could be a very long time if at all (just for the att version).

5.1 Update and s-off

The official 5.1 update is on it's way from Verizon next week. For those of us waiting patiently for jcase to release an s-off method, I'm thinking it might be better to avoid updating? I can only imagine the hboot will get an update with this 5.1 update. With that, it will probably undo all the work jcase has done up to this point.
Am I wrong to think this?
Is it harmless to take the update?

guitarist5122 said:
The official 5.1 update is on it's way from Verizon next week. For those of us waiting patiently for jcase to release an s-off method, I'm thinking it might be better to avoid updating? I can only imagine the hboot will get an update with this 5.1 update. With that, it will probably undo all the work jcase has done up to this point.
Am I wrong to think this?
Is it harmless to take the update?
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Harmless unless you want to meet up the next time I drive down to Delaware.

There is no sense in waiting on an update for a root exploit that may or may not ever come. S-Off already works on 5.1 but Verizon users are still waiting for a root exploit as before. Odds are you could be waiting a long time. Might as well enjoy the new software while you wait.

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The official 5.1 update is on it's way from Verizon next week. For those of us waiting patiently for jcase to release an s-off method, I'm thinking it might be better to avoid updating? I can only imagine the hboot will get an update with this 5.1 update. With that, it will probably undo all the work jcase has done up to this point.
Am I wrong to think this?
Is it harmless to take the update?
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Plenty of helpful members with Java Cards to get you S-Off now. Best if you can find someone in your area to meet with to avoid shipping the device.
Went that route a couple of months ago and been happily flashing custom Rom goodness ever since.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-one-m9/general/m9-java-card-t3063247

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...it will probably undo all the work jcase has done up to this point.
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There's nothing (public) to undo. Unless by chance jcase discovered an exploit and HTC found it as well and fixed it....
It's starting to appear that many of these folks who can figure this sh*t out are losing interest in working on devices from Verizon and other carriers who go to extreme lengths to lock them down. I mean, my previous phone was a Galaxy S3 and Samsung / VZW locked them down tight. The S4 uses presumably the same security (my wife had one so I was a little up to speed on them). I haven't bothered checking the S5 or S6 but I'm confident they're not exploitable either.... Just to be clear, I'm not criticizing those folks if they're no longer trying. That's 150% their decision and choice !

hallstevenson said:
There's nothing (public) to undo. Unless by chance jcase discovered an exploit and HTC found it as well and fixed it....
It's starting to appear that many of these folks who can figure this sh*t out are losing interest in working on devices from Verizon and other carriers who go to extreme lengths to lock them down. I mean, my previous phone was a Galaxy S3 and Samsung / VZW locked them down tight. The S4 uses presumably the same security (my wife had one so I was a little up to speed on them). I haven't bothered checking the S5 or S6 but I'm confident they're not exploitable either.... Just to be clear, I'm not criticizing those folks if they're no longer trying. That's 150% their decision and choice !
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Surprisingly the SG6 is able to flash ROMs. no bootloader unlock, but still surprising considering how hard SG3/4 was locked down when I was on them.

andybones said:
Surprisingly the SG6 is able to flash ROMs. no bootloader unlock, but still surprising considering how hard SG3/4 was locked down when I was on them.
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So going forward, after our edge programs are eligible etc etc, what is the best alternative to have an unlocked bootloader and root even be an option without extreme measures? Pay off the edge program and go to T-Mobile and HTC? That way the bootloader can be unlocked from HTC? I'm very thankful to have my M9 rooted and unlocked but thinking ahead, what's the best course of action? Thoughts?

andybones said:
Surprisingly the SG6 is able to flash ROMs. no bootloader unlock, but still surprising considering how hard SG3/4 was locked down when I was on them.
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Is it the same as can be done on the S3 with a locked bootloader ? I'd have to go back to that forum to get the name as I don't remember it.... Safestrap ?
Looks like it's not Safestrap after all. I'm quickly scanning but don't see much details yet. I do see quite a few ROMs available though !

hallstevenson said:
Is it the same as can be done on the S3 with a locked bootloader ? I'd have to go back to that forum to get the name as I don't remember it.... Safestrap ?
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I hated SS.
I'm not exactly sure how it's done I just have a buddy on SG6 on VZW and loves it, being able to mke ROM.
I do know it isn't SS
"ping pong root"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/general/root-pingpongroot-s6-root-tool-t3103016

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I hated SS.
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Never had to deal with it.... I rooted mine the same day I rec'd it ! Same with my previous phones - all rooted in less than (2) days. Well, except for my HTC Eris. That one took a couple of months after I got it before jcase came up with an exploit.
I had scott123 "free" my M9 the day after I rec'd it.

hallstevenson said:
Never had to deal with it.... I rooted mine the same day I rec'd it ! Same with my previous phones - all rooted in less than (2) days. Well, except for my HTC Eris. That one took a couple of months after I got it before jcase came up with an exploit.
I had scott123 "free" my M9 the day after I rec'd it.
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only reason i had to use SS was cos my dad got a new phone and gave me his old sg3, and at this point it had 4.4.4 so bootloader couldnt be unlocked anymore and had to use SS, it was horrible imo

Nougat Beta Completed - Official update due in January to S7 and S7 Edge

Samsung apparently has sent out a final notification to all those enrolled in the Nougat Beta that there will be no more updates and that the beta ends officially on December 30th and that they will attempt to push out the official update to everyone in January. Hope this means they were able to quash all major bugs.
http://www.androidcentral.com/galaxy-s7-and-s7-edge-receive-nougat-update-january
And it is officially Android 7.1.1, at least for those in the US.

Hopefully we get it soon, I would love some Nougat. At this point I prefer to not have to root my phone to get updates because it's a hassle without being able to unlock the bootloader. I was rooted for awhile and IMHO stock runs butter unless you spend hours customizing it. I love debloating but I would prefer a fully unlocked/rooted phone to a partial solution.
I don't have high hopes for when we get this updated because of verizon but we eventually will, about 2 years after everyone else

JerseyDubbin said:
Hopefully we get it soon, I would love some Nougat. At this point I prefer to not have to root my phone to get updates because it's a hassle without being able to unlock the bootloader. I was rooted for awhile and IMHO stock runs butter unless you spend hours customizing it. I love debloating but I would prefer a fully unlocked/rooted phone to a partial solution.
I don't have high hopes for when we get this updated because of verizon but we eventually will, about 2 years after everyone else
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I haven't been rooted for over a year. I was on an LG G3 before my S7 and so far, I haven't found a real need to root. Before, I rooted because I used TiBu to backup my apps, but with the G3, they had their own backup utility that worked just like TiBu, but it's only for LG devices.
But with how Google Play uploads settings now, that appears to work just fine for me as well, so at this point, I have no reason to root. Plus, I really love Samsung Pay so I don't want to lose that.

This is the first device I have owned that I have never rooted. No need to. Faster than anything I have ever owned and mine never slows down for my usage. It's the first device that I feel works as intended. I also wasted a few years of my life with this stuff and just don't have the motivation anymore. Especially without an unlocked bootloader and custom recovery, I'd never.

JediDru said:
This is the first device I have owned that I have never rooted. No need to. Faster than anything I have ever owned and mine never slows down for my usage. It's the first device that I feel works as intended. I also wasted a few years of my life with this stuff and just don't have the motivation anymore. Especially without an unlocked bootloader and custom recovery, I'd never.
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Agree completely. The root process works well etc but I had to go through xposed and do a lot of tweaks to get it running well for really no gain over what I had stock.

JediDru said:
This is the first device I have owned that I have never rooted. No need to. Faster than anything I have ever owned and mine never slows down for my usage. It's the first device that I feel works as intended. I also wasted a few years of my life with this stuff and just don't have the motivation anymore. Especially without an unlocked bootloader and custom recovery, I'd never.
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I completely agree. The G3 was the first phone I ended up not rooting. I did at first because I was just in that mode of, get a new phone, root, flash a custom ROM. But as I started getting used to a lot of the features, and found that the battery life wasn't bad, coupled with running Greenify in non-root mode, I could make the battery last 1.5 days. So, over the last year of the two years I owned it, I didn't root.
With the S7, no need to root. This is smoothest phone I've had yet. The quality of the phone itself is excellent. So, this phone will not be rooted.

It appears the official Nougat OTA is being pushed out, with beta testers getting it first.
Anyone on here that has gotten the Nougat OTA notification yet? I'm holding off on accepting until I know better on how it performs, etc.
http://www.androidcentral.com/stabl...ing-galaxy-s7-and-s7-edge-starting-beta-users

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It appears the official Nougat OTA is being pushed out, with beta testers getting it first.
Anyone on here that has gotten the Nougat OTA notification yet? I'm holding off on accepting until I know better on how it performs, etc.
http://www.androidcentral.com/stabl...ing-galaxy-s7-and-s7-edge-starting-beta-users
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Nothing on my end yet.
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was there ever a second beta OTA sent out to Verizon testers? I didn't get into the beta but side loaded the only 7.0 beta build OTA that was floating around and my build number is NRD90M.G930VVRU4ZPK4. Was there an update to after that? Trying to figure out if the Nougate beta -> final OTA (assuming someone pulls it) will work on my phone or if I'll need to find the intermediary beta OTAs or else wipe clean and start from scratch.

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was there ever a second beta OTA sent out to Verizon testers? I didn't get into the beta but side loaded the only 7.0 beta build OTA that was floating around and my build number is NRD90M.G930VVRU4ZPK4. Was there an update to after that? Trying to figure out if the Nougate beta -> final OTA (assuming someone pulls it) will work on my phone or if I'll need to find the intermediary beta OTAs or else wipe clean and start from scratch.
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I believe there were only two betas for VZW phones and then they cancelled the beta testing for VZW-based phones. Not sure why. Kind of sucks. Probably Big Red had something to do with it.

j0hnh0lmes said:
Nothing on my end yet.
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Same here, tried rebooting and checking again a few times and still nothing.
Oh well

I spoke to Verizon about this and they dont know when the update will be out.

SoerenHelmer said:
I spoke to Verizon about this and they dont know when the update will be out.
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Of course they don't. They have to add crapware, disable a bunch of stuff and add backdoors.
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SoerenHelmer said:
I spoke to Verizon about this and they dont know when the update will be out.
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That's their usual response.

I've read US-Based carriers have no ETA yet. Grr.

iBolski said:
I've read US-Based carriers have no ETA yet. Grr.
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I swear searching around the interwebs for information on release dates has at least as much mis-information as looking for information on the election candidates during the election. So much trash.
But I haven't found anyone stating they heard definite dates. I'm thinking it will be late January at this point maybe early Feb before it hits our phones.

i have given up speculating anything that involves verizon. nothing would surprise me.

Take it where its coming from but it looks like some US non-beta testers are starting to see the update. "Unlocked" phones only but still....
http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/19/14321980/samsung-galaxy-s7-edge-android-nougat-update

I have an official unlocked US model, but nothing yet. I expect to see the update by the weekend. Crossing fingers.

lickwid said:
I have an official unlocked US model, but nothing yet. I expect to see the update by the weekend. Crossing fingers.
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I believe unlocked models should be getting it before us on Verizon. But, there was a story out that stated OTAs for some reason have stopped being pushed out and Samsung has acknowledged this and is looking into why it happened.
http://www.droidviews.com/samsung-galaxy-s7-android-nougat-problems-firmware-delivery-stops/
Whether the "bug" is in the firmware itself or with the update process that sends out the notifications is not mentioned.