[Q] Battery life + heating trouble. - Defy General

Here's a thing that keeps bugging me - either i'm doing something wrong, or there's something wrong with my settings, or maybe it's defective battery or device, in the end (gosh, hope not).
So the problem is, running mb525 with xd11.2.5 (nordic .177 - based), VSel 300/22,650/32,100/52, stock battery, few if any "side" programs- basically Elixir and DroidWall.
a) I know people around do get 24+ hours from their Defy's, and by the look of the battery size it's OK. But I hadn't been able to get close to that, much less go "2 days" - battery go down in 12 hours of "ordinary use" or so.
Battery Manager always shows "mobile standby" as the foremost juice gnawer (50%+).
b) The ordinary use above is - wifi bt gps off 99%, data on 50% of time. I'd say it's very fair, and really expected to, as they say in spam mails, last longer All sorts of process monitors, task managers and killers absolutely fail to find any "rogue app" that could've been responsible (and I control those managers themselves pretty tightly, aswell). Other people running xd1 rom do not report same problems.
c) But that's not the worst of it. At times, my battery would really heat up. Not cannot-touch heat up, but, well, speaking my native Celsium, if the normal operating temp is 32-34, when it's "hot" Elixir would show 40, even 43. That's still far from scary, but not sure if normal either - noticeably warm to the touch.
Last two times it really heated was
- when i DLed a big (20mb+) app from Market over 3g - it took about 5 minutes and by the end of it back battery cover was seriously hot, 43 Celsium seemed accurate or even understated.
- while doing full nandroid backup in Clockwork recovery (heck, neither ROM nor VSel aint loaded yet!). Again about 4-5 minutes and 40*C, give or take.
Granted, I can't guarantee it's battery itself or something in the phone (core, anthena) spreading the heat, but net result is the same.
So, any idea what's the problem is and what should I do?
Any advice, similar experience and other helpful bits are greately appreciated. I fell in love with Defy bigtime, but quite honestly, 12 hours battery life is not something I can live with Especially when people are getting 48 out of the same device with the same battery
P.S. Might be a baseband problem as it's a UK-bought defy with Nordic ROM being run in Russia... but i've no idea how to check it out or fix...

ArcanisX said:
Here's a thing that keeps bugging me - either i'm doing something wrong, or there's something wrong with my settings, or maybe it's defective battery or device, in the end (gosh, hope not).
So the problem is, running mb525 with xd11.2.5 (nordic .177 - based), VSel 300/22,650/32,100/52, stock battery, few if any "side" programs- basically Elixir and DroidWall.
a) I know people around do get 24+ hours from their Defy's, and by the look of the battery size it's OK. But I hadn't been able to get close to that, much less go "2 days" - battery go down in 12 hours of "ordinary use" or so.
Battery Manager always shows "mobile standby" as the foremost juice gnawer (50%+).
b) The ordinary use above is - wifi bt gps off 99%, data on 50% of time. I'd say it's very fair, and really expected to, as they say in spam mails, last longer All sorts of process monitors, task managers and killers absolutely fail to find any "rogue app" that could've been responsible (and I control those managers themselves pretty tightly, aswell). Other people running xd1 rom do not report same problems.
c) But that's not the worst of it. At times, my battery would really heat up. Not cannot-touch heat up, but, well, speaking my native Celsium, if the normal operating temp is 32-34, when it's "hot" Elixir would show 40, even 43. That's still far from scary, but not sure if normal either - noticeably warm to the touch.
Last two times it really heated was
- when i DLed a big (20mb+) app from Market over 3g - it took about 5 minutes and by the end of it back battery cover was seriously hot, 43 Celsium seemed accurate or even understated.
- while doing full nandroid backup in Clockwork recovery (heck, neither ROM nor VSel aint loaded yet!). Again about 4-5 minutes and 40*C, give or take.
Granted, I can't guarantee it's battery itself or something in the phone (core, anthena) spreading the heat, but net result is the same.
So, any idea what's the problem is and what should I do?
Any advice, similar experience and other helpful bits are greately appreciated. I fell in love with Defy bigtime, but quite honestly, 12 hours battery life is not something I can live with Especially when people are getting 48 out of the same device with the same battery
P.S. Might be a baseband problem as it's a UK-bought defy with Nordic ROM being run in Russia... but i've no idea how to check it out or fix...
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Dude.. Try using another sim card and see if you see any improvement in the battery.. The sim card you are using might be old and may be the phone is not able to suspend it when it is in deep sleep mode..

It is normal for this battery to heat up when running different big things....3G ussualy causes it to heat up
I get 2-3 days....i dont know why you get only ~12 hours. When i bought this phone i "formated" the battery (some people say that is no needed for newer batteries) - charged it 3 times, each 8 hours (from 0% - when phone powers off itself to 100%)
If you are using Nordic version you SHOULD change your baseband (900/1800/2100 in Russia)

stefa_vr6 said:
If you are using Nordic version you SHOULD change your baseband (900/1800/2100 in Russia)
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I kinda fail at it, asked in original thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1052745&page=4 - basically it's either "850/1800/2100" called ChinaME722 1.10 or "900/2100" variants...
How do I check if the phone is "able to suspend or not"? I just got a just-pulled-out-of-holder-card new SIM card from my operator less then a week ago (old one wouldnt work with net access at all, for some reason).
Is it the same as SetVSel's "limit to vsel1 while screen is off" (which I have enabled the whole time), or a different thing?
Just today had another "controlled use", unplugged right with hte last post (e.g. 11 hrs ago, give or take), 1.5 hr voice calls total (2x of 45 mins), 1hr GPS on + data on for GMaps, 20 mins watching youtube via browser, the rest standby with everything off. 2 hours ago battery hit 30% where my VSel goes to "paranoid mode"(99% + vsel2 limit) and there it stays so far. Battery manager attributes 38% battery usage to "mobile standby" and 31% to voice calls.

^^tough luck

Have you tried watchdog? 3g also drains a lot try minimizing background apps to see if there are differences in the batt life. As for the battery, check if it is bloated or bulging. If it is then you need to replace it. If phone is still in warranty. unroot and have it checked out. Good luck
Sent from my MB525 using XDA App

At one time my Defy got into a state similar to the one you describe; unaccounted by any measurements battery rundowns (in my case also excessive data use). Only a reset to factory settings (wipes and all) restored sanity to the phone operation.
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As wrote earlier, data/3g is completely disabled most of the time - batt drain still there.
I currently switched baseband to chinese 850/1900/2100 - will see if it changes anything. Also with some luck some people might just know the "correct" baseband to set for Russia (either here or in baseband svitcher topic).
Will give watchdog a try, but then again, i've been closely monitoring processes with tons of other stuff. Almost nothing's running (as I hadnt installed much yet). Plus the fact that "battery usage" gives foremost percentage to mobile standby hints the problem might be there, not in runaway app.
Had several wipes, if all else fails i'll try some different base ROM (e.g. not .177 nordic). Admittedly, I hadn't used anything else much so far.
And for "double tough luck", as said, friend brought Defy to me from UK, so getting is serviced it no easy task - if I find the battery to be in fault, might be easier to just order a replacement (or that Mugen extended one).
I still kinda hope it's some kind of settings/software/ROM glitch and not a hardware problem. The battery looks and feels OK most of the time - I would've definitely seen an obviously defective one. It charges and discharges pretty linear, any soft I tried that checks battery (such as Elixir or SpareParts) returns normal. Uptime not counting deep sleep and real uptime are different, hinting the device does enter sleep at times (no idea if properly).

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JPC battery life

I know it ibeta before you all start on me, however 15 minutes of web browsing = 10% loss of battery. At that rate my phone will be dead an hour and half of web browsing
When the phone is just on stand by battery life is fine
Hope they fix this when the "official" release comes out
Wow where did you learn maths?
BETA Roms effect the mind.
Jamiec902 said:
I know it ibeta before you all start on me, however 15 minutes of web browsing = 10% loss of battery. At that rate my phone will be dead an hour and half of web browsing
When the phone is just on stand by battery life is fine
Hope they fix this when the "official" release comes out
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i think it will be 150 minutes and that's not 1,5h
btw
my phone: few calls, some games - 1,5 day and still 27% of battery
icemac said:
i think it will be 150 minutes and that's not 1,5h
btw
my phone: few calls, some games - 1,5 day and still 27% of battery
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My phone: lots of calls, few minutes wireless =1 day and still 70%. No web browsing.
Agreed 150 mind isn't 1.5hrs. But still bad!
Jamiec902 said:
Agreed 150 mind isn't 1.5hrs. But still bad!
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the screen needs lots of power, processor needs to,
everything needs the power
look it is same like brand new commputer (whit very good graphic card, processor, memory, MB) - you need good and strong power supply without it is crap ...
if you need good long working phone buy something else like :hmm: i dont know what maybe NOKIA with small BW display
no offence
I noticed on the JPC the battery drains soooo fast!
did a full charge while the phone was off today and also deleted the battery stats.. lets see if it improves
icemac said:
the screen needs lots of power, processor needs to,
everything needs the power
look it is same like brand new commputer (whit very good graphic card, processor, memory, MB) - you need good and strong power supply without it is crap ...
if you need good long working phone buy something else like :hmm: i dont know what maybe NOKIA with small BW display
no offence
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I love my SGS and will not being going back to Nokia, also love andriod - just hoping the official release will let me have use for one full day - not too much to ask I dont think
I get 2 days of moderate to high usage with JPC. I think it uses less battery because the GSM signal is better, but the screen uses more power, is always over 90% in battery stats.
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For me it all comes down "display on" time.
if using 3G/edge i get 4,5h
if wifi then 5,5h (no difference if im using it during 1 day or 4 days)
JPC is same as JP3 or JMx
Screen brightness
Just thought I'd say, incase you didn't know, the web browser has it's own brightness setting. That could be killing the battery.
I, for one, already set the brightness to the first level for all aplications that have brightness setting, and still the display sucks the battey like crazy, at list with JPC. With other FW it drops even to 40%.
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speaking of GSM, w/c one is 2G mode for the Galaxy S.. GSM or WCDMA ?
earlz said:
speaking of gsm, w/c one is 2g mode for the galaxy s.. Gsm or wcdma ?
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gsm = 2g
wcdma = 3g
Battery drain was ridiculous with me. The first night I went to sleep I remember my phone was nearly fully charged, when I woke up at morning it had used around 50%... that is, 50% of the battery for around 6 or 7h just sitting in IDLE! When I actually USED the phone it could barely handle 10h with a full charge, and that's with very moderate usage. I had to leave the phone charing all the time to survive a day with it (charging in my car, charging every time I stopped near an AC outlet, etc). And yeah, the funny thing was noticing how exaggeratedly high the screen battery drain was, even though I wasn't using the screen all that much...
Some other symptoms of the high battery drain:
-Charging the phone took FOREVER with the phone being used, took a LOT of time with the phone sitting Idle, but if I turned the off the battery would actually charge very fast... that proved that the phone was draining so much energy even the AC charger (or USB outlet) couldn't effectively charge the battery while supplying power to the phone...
-The phone got HOT very easily...
How did I solve it?
Well, yesterday I decided I would reflash my device. I did a full reflash (as I always do) including a re-repartion. Now the funny thing that I noticed was that my phone actually wouldn't flash! It would always crash at the Galaxy S welcome screen... I have never flashed it using my notebook (since I'm traveling), but I used the exact same procedure I always use with my desktop back home, for some reason it wasn't working. Maybe some corrupt file? I re-downloaded ALL files (that is, Odin with the 803 pit file, and the JPC files)...
For my surprise, this time my phone hanged in a green screen, and it was really scary. I even thought perhaps the Nokia USB cable I was using was causing some kind of incompatibility problem, but that would make no sense at all... so I entered the recovery menu in my phone and reset EVERYTHING, and tried flashing it one LAST time (this time closing ALL background apps in my notebook, to avoid any problems)... and there it went, a perfect flash, as easy as they go with my desktop PC back home.
1st thing I did was a hardreset, and then I reflashed it again with Doc's RomMod V2 (was using V1 the day before), and new hardreset in the sequence. Then I changed as little as possible in the phone configurations, I just turned everything off (GPS, wifi, and even the data connection through the power button shortcut), and went to sleep...
For my surprise, the next day I checked the phone's battery use, it had drained only ~4-5% for more then 10hours, this means it would, at least in theory, be able to last for days and days in this setup...
So I installed my apps again (not that I have many), did lagfix, turned widgets and network connection back on... and it has been working like a breeze, although battery drain can still be considered high, it's nowhere close to being as bad as it was before I flashed it, now at least the battery will last a full day with a charge @ my standards of usage, that's good enough for me...
One thing I did change, I remember my screen setup was always at 10/30min for shutdown, I left it like that because I'm always using the phone in situations where the screen will constantly shut down at my face, and that annoyed me... well, this time I actally left the stock 30 seconds for screen shutdown, not sure if it has anything related, but one of the things I noticed before was that my IDLE battery-drain was as high as you'd expect from a phone that had it's screen on all the time... maybe some bug makes the phone drain screen power even with the screen turn off, let's say if you have the 30min turn-off config, your screen will continue to drain power for 30min (and there you have the reason for so much screen draw in the stats), even though the screen is turned off... despite my hardware knowledge telling me that a black screen should NOT be draining power from your phone battery, you never know how far a software bug can fck things up hardware-wise, so I wouldn't be surprise if that actually DID happen...
I could even try setting my screen back to 30min-turnoff just to check if the battery drain will go back to insane levels.. but the fact is that I'm scared of messing it up again, it's working fine the way it is, why mess it up? I figured out some things that get messed up with this phone appear to only get fixed with a new firmware flash, and I really don't feel like having to flash my phone every two days...
Either way, I hope others here can fix their battery drain... it's just my tip: try reflashing, leave everything as stock as you can (only thing I did was Doc's RomMod v2, and later Ryan ZA's lagfix, none of them seem to be related to JPC's battery drain), and see if it helps...
wth I can only get 3.5 hours max
Sent from my phone so excuse the spelling errors
After a week of using JPC I don't see any real difference in battery usage from the original stock rom and JP3, I charge the phone every second night ( battery is usually around 25% at this point).
My usage isn't that high, I have a couple of notifications running and a weather widget that updates hourly, its my alarm clock, my mp3 player to and from work (about 90 minutes a day), I make and receive 4-5 calls a day and send and receive a dozen texts a day, I check face book 3-4 times a day and on a daily basis someone gets a 10-15 minute demonstration of the beauty of this phone(note: don't let a taxi driver play with your phone whilst in heavy traffic, even if it gets a confession that it makes his iphone look like a piece of crap).
As far as screen time outs are concerned, I set mine at 1 minute but always turn the display off manually when I finish doing something with it including after I have started the music player (btw I use bluetooth headset to listen to music but not for phone conversations).
The highest display percentage I have seen is about 85% but the is usually tied in with using gps or browsing, on a day I don't use gps or browsing display is much lower, on a day that the display is pretty much off it drops to about 10-15% usage.
This phone is the first, of the several pda/smart phones I have owned over the years, that I haven't had to charge every day.
Id battery usage is not a problem for me on JPC, 8hrs idle ( sleeping ) and I still got 100% started to use the phone and it rapidly dropped.. now im playing a 2hr movie and see if i can get it to loop for 2-3 times before it shuts off.. if it reaches 6hrs then i would consider the battery usage the same.
Please turn off the GPS and a-GPS....
You will get a much better battery life.....

Memory and Battery ... what do you get?

Apparently, the battery life and the low internal memory are some major drawbacks of this otherwise great handset, so I though of putting up some experiences of what users report from their experiences with internal memory and battery life.
(After installing all programs and under normal usage)
ROM:
System 260MB => 32MB free
Data: 150MB =>32.7 free
Strategy: rooted, uninstalled htc stuff.
Battery Life:
24-36 hours
Remarks:
I feel the battery behaves rather strange, think there is definitively room for improvement. Some days, it hardly uses 5% over 12 hours!! Then, on others, without touching it, it looses over 50%!!
I am currently playing around with the Network settings and will see what I find.
Underclocking on demand should further alleviate the problem I hope!
With the original WF I easily got 4-5 days and the battery is only marginally smaller so should be possible to get closer to this range
Here my results:
About 50 MB free of ROM.
About 100 MB free of RAM.
Stock ROM, S-ON (waiting for htc unlock and cyanogenmod)
Battery lasts under normal usage 2 days, light usage 3 days. (When i sleep phone is in fly mode and there's no battery drain)
Normal usage: little browsing, messaging, mailing, music listening, checking news and weather, maybe a phone call.
Light usage: messaging, mailing, a bit music listening, calendar checking, very very little browsing
The biggest battery drain is the screen, especially when playing games (15 minutes dragon fly gives 10 % battery drain) and browsing, market checking/updating.
Everything stock:
free ROM: 47
free RAM: 122
Around 2 days battery use if I don't play too much Airport Mania 2, or else 10 minutes play equals minus 5% battery
UPDATE:
I changed some settings to maximize battery performance, notable
Location => Disable "Use Wireless Networks" (battery eater!!)
Wifi&Networks: Mobile Network Settings:
Network Mode: GSM only (OK I don'T need the fast one)
Enable Always-On: DISABLED
Plus I set it on Flight Mode during night (I used Gentle Alarm to do it before, but apparently there is a bug where it makes it consume engergy nevertheless so do it manually now for the moment)
Results:
For now, 3-4 days!
Will continue trying out (but now it will take a week or two to finish some cycles ;-) )
RAM : 241 free / 160 used
ROM : 70 free / 80 used
Cyanogenmod 7 / 1500mAh HD7 battery
1,5-2 days with fully wifi opened.
Sure you can kill 3G, WiFi etc but then why have smartphone and dumb it down?
Here are a few battery saving tips I've learned from owning a GSM Hero and Desire HD (my gf has WFS which is why I'm lurking here... just ordered a XTC Clip for it).
Unfortunately when the green light says you're phone is fully charged this isn't always the case. The battery is likely to be mis-reporting its capacity and % used, this can cause your phone to die when the battery still has remaining charge. So, we're going to fix that.
Assuming you have already rooted your phone, download Battery Calibration tool and CurrentWidget.
Place a CurrentWidget widget on your home screen and charge your phone until the widget says 0mA. This means it has reached fully capacity.
Once it hits 0mA on the widget, open Battery Calibration and wipe battery stats.
Reboot your phone whilst still plugged in and upon reboot it will recreate a new battery stats file, however now it will know the battery's max capacity and will correctly report battery % used.
I do this about twice a week. Maybe once a month I will also let it completely die and then fully recharge whilst off, before powering on and repeating the above steps.
Other things you can do to increase battery life are:
Change the sync interval of apps like Facebook, Weather etc. I usually set most things to every 3 or 4 hours, with Flickr only being once a day.
Don't run the screen at full brightness if you don't need it. On my DHD I find 40% to be best for most conditions, with only really bright sun making it hard to read... in which case I bump it up to around 75%. Auto-brightness if ok but it tends to be on the bright side on most Sense ROMs so hopefully someone will work out a way to tweak the values for WFS. I had a play about with custom values on DHD but after testing for a while I still prefer to control it manually. It's a personal thing though.
Remove crap you don't need. Stocks, News, eReader, Twitter etc are always the first to go when I install a new ROM. I use Root Explorer to delete them but there are various ways to do this including Titanium Back-up or by using ADB. You can find everything in /data/app & /system/app. Just be sure to do a nandroid backup in case you delete any system critical apks.
Change Wifi sleep policy to Never.
Limit your homescreen widgets to only ones you really need. Having 7 screens packed with widgets and apps will cause battery drain.
Turn off Power Saving mode. I tend to find it doesn't really help and just makes your phone quite useless when you hit the pre-set % where it activates.
Never use Task Killers. This link gives an excellent explanation.
Finally, wait in hope for an overclocked and undervolted kernel, different radios and custom auto-brightness values
If I can think of anything else I'll post it here
don´t know why so mutch people get worried about the battery. for me the only thing that counts is that the battry takes me over the day. i mean i go out an seven am and get bat at 5pm, so thats the time i need my battery to hold. maybe i need some backup to get until 22 pm and everything is alright.
for me i doesnt matter if i´ve to recarge after one day
Yeah, for some people it can become a bit of an obsession. However, it still think it's worth taking a few simple steps to get the best out of your device
For some people 8 hours between charges is fine. For me, I like a phone that can run for 8 hours between charges, but also run for 48 hours between charges (without having to go to dead mode by turning on airplane). I go camping, stay the night someplace else, forget my charger while going on a trip or just want the freedom of not having to find an outlet and drag my charger with me if I want to have a phone run for more than 8 hours. So I get off work, change my clothing and run out the door to my after-work sporting event, then head out for a few beers afterwards with the team and I barely have enough juice left to call my wife or check on a few game scores.
It's important. Not having it be important means your phone is running your life or you just always have the same routine, which is fine for you maybe but I like to head out.
About 7 hours running CM 7. Battery life is very bad at the moment.

Battery capacity halved after nine months?

After using the original Note, I decided I couldn't live with the battery life and decided to upgrade to the Note 2 last christmas. I was fully satisfied, and frequently got between 6 to 7h of screen time.
Sadly, since early june, I barely get half of that under normal usage (2-3 hours), and I've never been able to go a day without charging the phone. The phone is rooted but still on Rogers Canada's original firmware with the original Samsung battery.
I'm no novice to android, but I've run out of ideas. Is it normal for a battery to start loosing it's capacity after around 120 to 150 charging cycles?
1) I thought it might be related to my external microsd, because I started getting error messages that I was disconnecting, and the mediascanner process was running for an abnormally long time. I wiped the card, and the errors persisted. Finally, I removed it altogether and the mediascanner battery drain stoppped, but overall battery life didn't get any better
2) I comptetelly wiped the phone and started from scratch, reinstalling everything from the market. No change.
3) I've been checking per app battery usage with BetterBatteryStats, and I occasionnally get one misbehaving app that keeps the phone awake, so I installed Greenify to prevent a few of them from gobbling up resources. That's helped a lot, at least on BetterBatteryStats, but still the phone doesn't last longer. There is no more obviously abnormal app anymore.
4) I tough it might be related to the fact that I redirected all my work email to gmail, so I set it to manual mode, but it hasn't helped.
5) I did notice that the cpu stays either in deep sleep or at 1,1 ghz, almost without using the other speeds. I don't know that I can do anything about that with the stock kernel.
Is there something else I could be checking? The phone worked great for six months without gooing through all of that stuff, so the only thing I can think of is a hardware issue. Did I get a faulty battery?
Thanks for your insights.
Nothing lasts forever; buy a new battery
hmmm the 1.1ghz thing makes it seem like it could be a deeper issue, there is no reason it should be sticking at a frequency that high.. I would personally try to flash the stock rom fresh with odin.
That would be your issue, the high frequency, not the battery itself imo
wase4711 said:
Nothing lasts forever; buy a new battery
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Diomonds do
please use spell check..
d-i-a-m-o-n-d-s.....:victory:
Lol
They don't last forever if they had a beginning. . .ooooh.
reminds me of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinocchio_paradox
I notice thst on mine im loosing juice quick when my LTE radio is on and I'm in poor coverage area. Switching to 4g/3g/2g only helps a lot. On day when I take few pics my battery takes a hit because all pictures backup performed by dropbox etc
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Horrible battery life on newish S4 Mini ("best" performance <3h)

Hey guys,
after dropping my beloved Nexus 4 to the concrete floor in May, I bought a new S4 mini in the electronic market because of it's decent size and all the fuzz about having a very good price-performance-ratio.
After a few weeks I already was fairly disappointed.
On an average work day (without WiFi) and little use (~30min OSD) the battery wouldn't last a full day. I tried the usual things like turning off GPS, bluetooth and using Wifi whenever possible (turning it off, when not in range), etc. I also used the App greenify which boosted my deepsleep in Wakelock Detector to stable 85+%.
When using GMaps/navigation my phone is getting hot (~50°C) and battery is drained within minutes. When trying to navigate out of the city (<15min navigation) one day my phone was discharged within 3 hours after a full charge. I got Wakelock Detector, Better Battery Stats and Battery Monitor Widget installed.
The only thing I found out, that when I am connected to Wifi the drain is a lot lower 1-2%/hour compared to when I am using 3G/H+ which results in 7-15%/hour (both when not using the phone), although there is no problem with signal quality. Recently my phone started to bottoming out rly hard when hitting the 20% mark. From there I can watch the battery dropping to 0% within a few minutes.
Things I tried so far:
- turning off features that are not in use (GPS, bluetooth, Wifi when not in range)
- make sure phone gets into deep sleep/greenify apps
- recalibrate akku
- reduce brightness & disable auto-brightness
Setup:
GT-I9195 bought in May 2015 from electronic market chain
CM 12.1 (Android 5.1.1, serranoltexx)
Standard CM Kernel
Baseband I9195XXUBML4
I can provide Screenshots from BMW, WD and BBS. Any ideas how to solve this or what else I could do?
Probably you should use something like better battery stats, to check
- if a service is going mad, then turn it off with disable service to test (most times happens with unclean flash)
- if you have an app with wakelocks
If you can't find anything that way, might be a hardware fault.
Personally if I came across this problem I would return the phone to stock Android and do some tests, see if the same happens again. CM12.1 can have issues across different same model phones. Try the Samsung Phone Info app to see how old your phone is. I'm guessing it was second hand? Some older revisions of the Mini had battery problems. Maybe a new battery is needed? Maybe.. As for the battery draining 20%-0% in minutes I have also suffered this on a brand new March 2015 device. Not all the time though it only happens with randomly once a week. But I put that down to the battery not been fully calibrated and then drained and recharged over the next 3 4 days, as I use a spare battery and swap out the batteries regularly which means my battery is very rarely calibrated.
All that said though I can easily get through an entire day if not 2. And using stock I'm able to get 4 and a half hours on average every time, maybe 4 hours of screen on time when using 3G a lot and GPS etc.
NNNexX said:
Hey guys,
When using GMaps/navigation my phone is getting hot (~50°C) and battery is drained within minutes. When trying to navigate out of the city (<15min navigation) one day my phone was discharged within 3 hours after a full charge. I got Wakelock Detector, Better Battery Stats and Battery Monitor Widget installed.
The only thing I found out, that when I am connected to Wifi the drain is a lot lower 1-2%/hour compared to when I am using 3G/H+ which results in 7-15%/hour (both when not using the phone), although there is no problem with signal quality. Recently my phone started to bottoming out rly hard when hitting the 20% mark. From there I can watch the battery dropping to 0% within a few minutes.
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I have had the same problem as you.
I return twice my phone to vendor. But they could do anything.
I solved it with undervolting and underclocking my phone (only the low frequency).
I read from someone, you can undervolting 150 millivolt.
My experience, is undervolting 125 milivolt. and underclocking the low frequency at the minimum.
You didn't feel any difference, behalves that the phone is cooler and battery live is better.
My WiFi and Bluetooth are always on. I don't have to recharge my phone during the day.
It is so effective en transparent that I don't understand why Samsung didn't do it natively.
Hey,
I tried to apply some of your advice and flashed the newest stock rom for S4 Mini (Kitkat ...COE4).
In that process I recognized that the Baseband is not updated by CM and that the one that was installed when I bought it was fairly old (from 2013). Do you think that this might be part of the problem? (I sort of hate the Samsung Rom)
This week when working and not having Wifi all day, I managed to get 2h of SOT and still had around 25% left which I couldnt have gotten before imo. I only lose 1-4% per hour when the phone is not used. But still thats not pretty good, when ur saying you can get 4h with GPS and everything. I also didnt use GPS. And today when I restarted my phone it just went from 40-ish % to 15% without any reason. Any more ideas?
I installed BetterBatteryStats today and will try to give some more insight the next days. Wakelock detector said that I had 85% deep sleep (timeframe 1 day 2 hours).
Try the Samsung Phone Info app to see how old your phone is. I'm guessing it was second hand? Some older revisions of the Mini had battery problems. Maybe a new battery is needed?
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No I bought it new from a electronic store (Media Markt). The app says that is was made on Oct 19th 2014 in Vietnam and that it is original/not refurbished.
How much do you gain by undervolting (SOT or % per hour when idle)?
How do you do it?
maybe the best way is to downgrade by flashing CM11 for example ...
(another way with stock + Alexax kernel + own debloat&freeze ... )
I have the same consumption problem with Resurection Remix LP too ..... very strange !
Lollipop is supposed to be less angry than Android 4.X.X ... but it seem have problem somewhere for our S4-mini sources maybe ,i don't know ...
This night I did some BBS tests:
Setup:
Stock Rom I previously installed (see posts above)
charged phone during evening
set up custom timepoint before I went to sleep
WLAN disabled
all apps greenyfied except those I deemed significant that they keep running (Whatsapp, calendar, Swiftkey, BBS, BMW, etc). Forgot newly installed app hoomn.
I had to upload the logfile to pastebin because it was too long for the xda forum: pastebin.ca/3256568 (I am not allowed to post URLs, sorry)
I lost 14% of battery during 9hrs (-1,6%/h). That's probably not too bad?
93% deep sleep, 33min awake time
Weird things I discovered/things I did not understand:
- negative Voltage loss?
- Wifi runtime 100% although I disabled it
- dominant wakelocks (count > 100, all of them < 30s): Alarm Manager, RILJ1, *net_scheduler*, GCM_CONN, ContextManagerWakeLock, Event Log Service, AlarmManager (com.sec.spp.push.Samsung Push Service), SyncLoopWakeLock, GCM_HB_ALARM
- dominant KWLs (count > 100): ril-fd (25min), bam_dmux_wakelock (13min), radio-interface (7min), PowerManagerService.WakeLocks (3min), mmc1_detect (1min), alarm_rtc, alarm, sec-charger-monitor, smdcntl0, pm8921_soc_lock, power-supply, KeyEvents, smsm_snapshot, qmuxd_port_wl_0, qmuxd_port_wl_1, smdcntl1, mmc0_detect
- Alarms (>20): ccc71.bmw (Battery Monitor Widget), android, com.google.android.gms, com.sec.spp.push
any ideas/assessments?

Random Battery overheat & drain - Software issue or Hardware?

I have a 2 year old S4 Mini (GT19195), currently running latest stable CM 13.
The phone is working fine except for the occasional (once a week or 2) unexplained battery drain.
With my fairly light daily use, the battery is lasting over 2 days. <And can usually run 4 or more hours screen on.> However, in the last few months, at random times (even with phone asleep - screen off for > 10 min, so presumably in doze), the phone will heat up, and battery will drop 5-10% per minute. After the phone shuts off from dead battery, recharging and restarting the phone will return things to normal, until the next time.
During these episodes, the phone behaved normally, I did not notice any lag on waking up the phone, switching/opening apps, etc. The battery meter page showed no unusual process using the battery (none of the process actually showed any increase in % battery use); except for the battery life dropping off a cliff as I watch. <I noted that the battery usage stat never adds up to 100% even in normal use ... It might show 10% screen, 5% Android, etc, but all that only adds up to 50% or so from full charge to when the battery is near dead.>
Anyone seen this before? Is this a sign of an ailing battery, or something else? Can this be a software problem - like something running away in the background? <Of note is that this happened once when I had completely wiped the phone and had the fresh install of CM 13 + Gapps (micro) ... so if this is software, it would be something in stock Android, rather than a 3rd party app.>
Thanks for reading & responding.
@JohnSoong
This sounds like the processor is stuck on max frequency. Either it is an app(s) playing up or some other process that is keeping the CPU working when it should sleep.
The first thing I would do is install BetterBatteryStats app or something similar to see what is keeping the device awake. You could also try to grab a logcat, but you would need to catch the incident and either plug into a pc with adb or run an app like catlog
JohnSoong said:
I have a 2 year old S4 Mini (GT19195), currently running latest stable CM 13.
The phone is working fine except for the occasional (once a week or 2) unexplained battery drain.
With my fairly light daily use, the battery is lasting over 2 days. <And can usually run 4 or more hours screen on.> However, in the last few months, at random times (even with phone asleep - screen off for > 10 min, so presumably in doze), the phone will heat up, and battery will drop 5-10% per minute. After the phone shuts off from dead battery, recharging and restarting the phone will return things to normal, until the next time.
During these episodes, the phone behaved normally, I did not notice any lag on waking up the phone, switching/opening apps, etc. The battery meter page showed no unusual process using the battery (none of the process actually showed any increase in % battery use); except for the battery life dropping off a cliff as I watch. <I noted that the battery usage stat never adds up to 100% even in normal use ... It might show 10% screen, 5% Android, etc, but all that only adds up to 50% or so from full charge to when the battery is near dead.>
Anyone seen this before? Is this a sign of an ailing battery, or something else? Can this be a software problem - like something running away in the background? <Of note is that this happened once when I had completely wiped the phone and had the fresh install of CM 13 + Gapps (micro) ... so if this is software, it would be something in stock Android, rather than a 3rd party app.>
Thanks for reading & responding.
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That sounds like an issue I've had for several months, also running CM13 (Official) nightlies & Open GApps micro, unfortunately I've never had the time investigate (well I did once but it worked fine, I couldn't recreate the problem). It is currently happening less than once a week so not a major issue for me.
I've noticed several times that the phone felt hot, I've then used the Trepn profiler app, it would show the web browser running at 30-50% cpu constantly, so stuck as per @noppy22, though not at 100%. I have tried all the major browsers and they have all done it at some point, also most have crashed at some point, which I suspect may be related. Normally just the browser app crashed but yesterday using Chrome the phone FC and rebooted itself. Crashes seem to happen when I touch screen or scroll (though one may not have been when touching). Also XDA app crashed (1st time) when scrolling a couple of weeks ago, so probably not just browser issue on some sites as I thought previously, but might be unrelated. The stock battery meter did not show particularly high battery usage by browsers, though were a little elevated in % terms but hard to tell due to different usage patterns and not checking when things are good! I have noticed a bit of lag, which now makes we run trepn, if it shows high than expected usage by an app I close the app, which fixes it even if I go back to the same web page. This morning I woke up and my phone was off, I put it in my night-time profile (wifi & data off) that normally only uses a few % overnight but last night it must have used more than 30% of battery that was left, first time this has happened.
The other thing to consider is how good is your battery? At 2yrs old it could be tired if it's had a hard life (though yours maybe not) or you have allowed it to get very hot eg I did one trip using gps nav with phone mounted in windscreen cradle driving direct into the Aussie sun when my battery was about 2.5yrs old, thinking back I now think this was when I first noticed my battery was really dropping of quickly when around ~40% charge (though it was faster with more charge remaining also than my new battery, I would say), so think I the high temp the phone got to that day affected the battery. I think 4hrs of screen on time may be marginal, I was only getting about 3 to 3.5 when my battery dropped off fast, my new battery is giving me 6hrs SOT (mostly using browser app), so possibly you just need a new battery as only one other user has reported high cpu usage like I have.
Battery stats not adding up to 100% is normal.
I've just installed BetterBatteryStats, so I'll give it a week of so and see if it catches anything. So far nothing unusual in the stats.
I am leaning towards this being a hardware issue, likely the battery. Since the phone responded fairly normally during the overheat & battery drain episodes, this does not seem to me an app taking over the CPU. If the CPU was occupied by an app, shouldn't everything else be slowed down?
I have so far noticed no particular pattern to these episodes, and I cannot reproduce it at will. It is infrequent enough for now that I can live with it (although an unexpected dead battery is annoying.) I will see if the monitoring app pick up anything.
Hey guys,
Maybe you have to try to flash your stock or custom kernel again.
Thats probably the problem.
Xheers
When I got mine a few years ago the media process kept getting stuck and overheating/draining my phone and even a reboot wouldnt fix it. I found out because I was using the system panel app and monitoring cpu of system processes. I ditched and deleted the gallery app (it was trying to create thumbnails for 100+gb of photos and videos) for quick pic v.4.5.2 on every phone I've used ever since and haven't look back.

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