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Greetings,
As the title says,
Some of the main Advantages of OmniaPro are 800Mhz CPU, AMOLED display, 5MB Camera (With Flash), 3.5mm audio jack
Some Disadvantages are it has 3.5" Screen (Rhodium has 3.6"), 4 rows QWERTY Keyboard (Rhodium has 5 rows).
TouchWiz (OmniaPro) or TouchFlo/Sense (Rhodium), .. not sure which is better
Price (in UK pounds):
OmniaPro: £291.49 exc VAT
Rhodium: £379.48 exc VAT (Why is it more expensive while specs are clearly less?)
in terms of Hardware specs, .. i dont think someone could argue that Rhodium is better than OmniaPro.
I want your opinions on:
- Which one is better? and why?
- Why do you think that OmniaPro is a lot cheaper than Rhodium although it obviously packs better specs?
touchwiz = blah(imo)...
htc=greatest smartphone company(imo)...
Processor speed isn't all of it, flash on a camera is useless, tp2 has 3.5mm audiojack on some models... Only true advantage of the omniapro is the amoled screen.
tp2 can also utilize the new 7.2mbps networking which omniapro cant.
Again...
Entering to a Nike store and asking what is better Nike or Rebook
Rhodium is superior in many apspects, also you have the plus of the support from XDA!
I´ll stay with HTC
And don´t forget to vote!
orb3000 said:
Entering to a Nike store and asking what is better Nike or Rebook
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Lol I like the Rhodium, but when i saw the specs of OmniPro, i was like
and the price is alot less, .. i came here so you guys share your thoughts on Why Rhodium is better (IYO)
irkan said:
Lol I like the Rhodium, but when i saw the specs of OmniPro, i was like
and the price is alot less, .. i came here so you guys share your thoughts on Why Rhodium is better (IYO)
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If the keyboard really is important, get the Rhodium. It is not only the 5 rows, it is the keyshape and spacing. For multimedia the Omnia pro should be better. I also saw some reports that the screen of the Omnia Pro is extremely soft and even a fingernail can scratch it. So you would need some really good protection. Sense is a much better interface, but I am sure it could be ported.
HansTWN said:
If the keyboard really is important, get the Rhodium. It is not only the 5 rows, it is the keyshape and spacing. For multimedia the Omnia pro should be better. I also saw some reports that the screen of the Omnia Pro is extremely soft and even a fingernail can scratch it. So you would need some really good protection. Sense is a much better interface, but I am sure it could be ported.
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Hmm thanks for the input, yeah the layout of the keys in Rhodium seems a lot more type-friendly. and from videos, .. Oddly, the screen of Rhodium does seem crispier than the AMOLED of OmniaPro
and what do you guys think about the price difference? price/specs ratio of OmniaPro seems interesting compared to the Rhodium.
and why isnt there a section for Samsung windows mobiles here in the forums? i mean XDA is not for HTC only right? Sony Ericsson is there, why not Samsung?
lots of questions
i'll answer the Sony Ericsson for u Irkan, i use to have one right before the bloody keyboard gave up on me
The Xperia was a collaboration between Htc and SE. Basically Htc made the device. Hell, it even have the Htc quickgps and task manager on it. Even the hardSPL is the same as HTC. We could safely say that the Xperia X1 is still a "brother" to all the htc device.
As for the site, yes XDA only supported htc devices,even X2 isn't gonna be here. Thats why i chose the rhodium
I am less Impressed ...
Ok, .. i see .. thanx for the input, that makes sense now
I have read 2 major reviews about the OmniaPro, .. although the hardware specs are hardcore, .. the TouchWiz (Widgets UI) seems to be sluggish regardless of the hardware sepcs.
in terms of the UI performance the Sense seems to be way better than the Widgets UI. If 800Mhz Processor is not enough for there UI than what is the use of it? .. i was expecting that with the processor power i would enjoy the TouchWiz UI smoothly and that the menus will be flying around, ... unfortunately from reading the 2 major reviews, .. that is not the case
The reviews also reported that the keyboard does not register the key press smoothly when typing fast, and you have to be careful and firm when typing .. kindda ruins the purpose of having full QWERTY keyboard.
The camera is said to be mediocre, .. the colours are a little dull, but sharp.
Lets just say that i am less impressed by the OmniaPro than when i started this thread ..
to me the main advantage of the rhodium is that the screen TILTS!!!
shiguo said:
to me the main advantage of the rhodium is that the screen TILTS!!!
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I saw a "Gorgieo Armani" version of the OmniaPro, .. same specs, but the screen TILTS
irkan said:
I have read 2 major reviews about the OmniaPro, .. although the hardware specs are hardcore, .. the TouchWiz (Widgets UI) seems to be sluggish regardless of the hardware sepcs.
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You can probably turn the TouchWiz UI off if it is really that sluggish. You might even be able to get Sense on it. Keep that in mind.
yeah but ...
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You can probably turn the TouchWiz UI off if it is really that sluggish. You might even be able to get Sense on it. Keep that in mind.
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I can turn it off, .. and will be stuck to WM screen ... that kindda ruins the purpose of buying it in the first place.
I like TouchWiz (the idea of it) but lots of reports shows that many times it tends to lag alot, i even saw some videos on how bad it was (and it was bad)
I have seen TouchFlo 1.6 (or some previous version) being ported to the OmniaPro, reports shows that it drains lots of battery power, and the experience is not smooth at all, and when i went to check the forum that made that port, they stopped supporting Sense porting to OmniaPro B7610 (the one that has the keyboard which is similar to Rhodium) and only continued with the full touch screens (they are trying to port everything in HD2 to Omnia2 or something, so they couldnt care less about OmniaPro with the keyboard)
I asked the same question in some forum that reviewed the the OmniaPro B7610
and here is a reply for my inquiry from one of the users that have the OmniaPro
I would go for the HTC touch pro2. I bought the Samsung Omnia Pro B7610 and it’s the worst windows mobile phone I’ve ever had, slower than my old HTC P3300 and my imate Ultimate 9502. TouchWiz is very slow! You have to switch it off. The screen is very fragile, it’s easily scratched by the stylus. The in call sound is not that loud, the keyboard is ok but not excellent, etc.
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Hi,
I read about the Google Nexus One having a bug with multitouch. It tracks the finger position wrong.
It seems to be a hardware error.
Does this affect the Desire too? (N1 and Desire are close in hardware)
Source:
http://androidandme.com/2010/03/news/is-multitouch-broken-on-the-nexus-one/
Because Desire in not in sale, nobody knows.
N1 and Desire have the same screen.
For me : Both of them have this bug.
Doesnt the N1 and the desire use same capasitive screen to the hd2 as well?
The screen of the HD2 is bigger (4.3"). The Desire has 3.7"
But those 3 devices could have the same model and manufacturer.
I'm not too worried after reading this post by Cyanogen:
Cyanogen's Solution
If this will get it to work pretty much like the droid, I'm fine with it.
Polarfuchs said:
The screen of the HD2 is bigger (4.3"). The Desire has 3.7"
But those 3 devices could have the same model and manufacturer.
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Sorry yes.. Aware of that... (hd2 owner) Mean produced in the same way.. I see the nexus one has the same cross hatches as the hd2.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/06/bad-news-htc-says-nexus-ones-dont-go-in-pockets/
i hope it is not the same with the desire....
Desire has the identical "Pinch to Zoom" touchscreen... :-(
youtube.com/watch?v=7rOgFX1-EwE
This doesnt look good.. (i cant post links)
It is hard to see because of the blurry and spotlight reflections, but yeah the line jumps from one finger to the other. damn.
Here the link again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rOgFX1-EwE
Why is there always something wrong when a phone seems to be nice
I guess we are just going to see when we get our hands on the device.. No point picking holes in it before we even have it. Im sure i can live with this if the n1 owners can.
PLenty of vids out now that show multitouch in-use, such as the pinching on homescreen and using web browser etc. with no problems. I don't think this will actually effect usability. Also, Engadget ran an article using a different multitouch "measuring" software and it had no problems...wouldn't get all upset about this
Agree,I currently own a N1 and this doesn't affect the pinch to zoom at all. It works flawlessly.
its not a big deal!
The issue appears to be a hardware issue, .. but i think there is away to solve it using a software fix, ... for example instead of the OS takes the data as it is from the touch screen that provides it (which appears to be flawed), another layer should exist, that can process the data from the touch screen and fix that issue and then pass it on.
I am not sure how this is can be done, or what is the effect of it on the over all performance, but I dont think it will be a problem with the Desire hardware specs.
Even with this issue, i dont believe it is a big deal, ... why do you need multi-touch? IMO to zoom in, zoom out (impress your friends and family), which works perfectly. other than that I hardly find any useful applications for it, ... ok maybe some games need this functionality to work properly, but i think i can live with not having games that require multi touch.
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Even with this issue, i dont believe it is a big deal, ... why do you need multi-touch? IMO to zoom in, zoom out (impress your friends and family), which works perfectly. other than that I hardly find any useful applications for it, ... ok maybe some games need this functionality to work properly, but i think i can live with not having games that require multi touch.
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Typing is one thing that comes to mind
I am not trying to sound like a fanboy, but the multi-touch keyboard on the *cough*iphone*cough* is awesome. I have owned numerous HTC phones and the difference between say the MyTouch 3G and the iphone keyboard is like night and day.
Now, if there is a keyboard in the android market that is comparable then I will take back my previous statement. I haven't tried Swype, but have heard it is really good.
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Typing is one thing that comes to mind
I am not trying to sound like a fanboy, but the multi-touch keyboard on the *cough*iphone*cough* is awesome. I have owned numerous HTC phones and the difference between say the MyTouch 3G and the iphone keyboard is like night and day.
Now, if there is a keyboard in the android market that is comparable then I will take back my previous statement. I haven't tried Swype, but have heard it is really good.
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This feature is not effected by the hardware "bug" of the touch screen, .. if you used both ur hands (2 fingers) at the same time to type and clicked "pressed the screen" on two different letters without moving them than you're completely safe
My point was that the type of multi-touch (mutli touch gestures or call it whatever ...) that is effected by the bug (IMHO) is negligible to most users
and that is exactly why am getting the Desire XP
irkan said:
This feature is not effected by the hardware "bug" of the touch screen, .. if you used both ur hands (2 fingers) at the same time to type and clicked "pressed the screen" on two different letters without moving them than you're completely safe
My point was that the type of multi-touch (mutli touch gestures or call it whatever ...) that is effected by the bug (IMHO) is negligible to most users
and that is exactly why am getting the Desire XP
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Thanks for clearing that up
http://www.youtube.com/user/androidpit#p/u/1/5_rT9YzE-xg
Watch from 5:40 till the end. Pinch-to-zoom is definitely there and is HELLA smooth too
here it is he hd7 that a lot of people have been waiting for!
i got this from wmpoweruser & engadget enjoy, do you like the design or not?
what about the 8gb internal memory?? is this a prototype? Hope so
pictures
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/22/htc-hd7-pictured-and-specced-by-rumormongers-trying-to-outdo-one/
here are the full specs guys
http://wmpoweruser.com/exclusive-htc-hd7-full-specs-revealed-confirms-t-mobile-usa-aws-support/
And the F network at school blocks wmpoweruser because of some random reason
Essentially a retooled Supersonic/EVO. At least on the outside.
Tom Servo said:
Essentially a retooled Supersonic/EVO. At least on the outside.
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a retooled hd2 but 4.3 in screen I'm loving it but if it looks the same dows it mean it has the same specs? further is this the thing we've been waiting for to run wp7 on the hd2?
I would like to see ...
real pictures of the device, specifications (committed) with dualcore snapdragon and at least 16gb flash memory ... and a link to pre-order
Looks very similar to the HD2, and this is a good thing, considering that (for me) the HD2 is one of the most beautiful phones in the market. Let's hope for good specs also.
But I think I will skip Windows Phone 7, really. I don't like the Metro UI, too minimal for my tastes and it wastes a lot of screen real-estate in the home. Also I'm not very fond of C# as a language / platform. I really prefer Java. And I don't know if I could survive with the new limitations the system gives. I have always loved Windows Mobile for its flexibility and, for me, Windows Phone 7 could be the new iPhone competitor, but not the right upgrade to Windows Mobile 6.5.
When I look at a phone operating system, I look at:
1) Flexibility.
2) Feature rich.
3) Opennes.
4) C/C++/Java support.
Actually, only Symbian^3 seems to achieve these 4 goals (with an eye to Meego). Other systems seems to be developed with the casual user in mind, Android included. I'll wait patiently for Windows Phone 8 hoping for a new level of flexibility, expecially in programming support. I don't want to be forced in using proprietary tools / platforms and, in 2011 and over, I really hope Microsoft will pay a f*ucking license for Java Embedded. Really good news from the JavaOne this year.
Kinda looks like my HD3 concept
this is not HD7
its HTC Desire HD
here's some clue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHO9A9Zf5g8
looks ok...i still prefer android over wmobile, never making the switch back!
Quick question, what phone was the hd6?
too bad
Beautiful hardware. Too bad it's so locked down, limmited and crippled by WiPhone7.
It is very much the Desire HD. By the way... I called my local O2 Dealer here in Germany. He told me that the HD7 will very likely have the specifications as the Desire HD.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
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Beautiful hardware. Too bad it's so locked down, limmited and crippled by WiPhone7.
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You're an idiot.
gaijin1% said:
Beautiful hardware. Too bad it's so locked down, limmited and crippled by WiPhone7.
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From a tweakers point of view it is and I agree. From a casual users point of view it is far from being crippled as you so dramatically put it.
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Quick question, what phone was the hd6?
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there is no HD6, this is basically the HD3, they named it HD7 because it is running WP7, so they gave it the 7 to match
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Beautiful hardware. Too bad it's so locked down, limmited and crippled by WiPhone7.
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This guy's talking like he's been using WP7 for a long time and is actually able to compare the lockdown'endes of this operating system... What OS would you like to free this phone with Marty McFly?
The comments on here make me just shake my head sometimes...
Actually, it is indeed a real Windows Phone 7 (though it looks a lot like the HD2/Desire HD):
http://windowsphone7central.com/pages/index.php/htchd7
And it is titled the HD3 on that device, but it may be a carrier branding preference.
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Actually, it is indeed a real Windows Phone 7 (though it looks a lot like the HD2/Desire HD):
http://windowsphone7central.com/pages/index.php/htchd7
And it is titled the HD3 on that device, but it may be a carrier branding preference.
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Why did they give it the 8250 and not the newer 8255 like the Desire HD?!?!?!?!? The rumors must be wrong, giving a device with the greatest gaming capabilities an old crap 8250 when there is a much better 8255 is retarded.
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Why did they give it the 8250 and not the newer 8255 like the Desire HD?!?!?!?!? The rumors must be wrong, giving a device with the greatest gaming capabilities an old crap 8250 when there is a much better 8255 is retarded.
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Considering that WP7 appears to run much faster than Android on comparitive hardware (thanks to not having Sense and all other sorts of HTC's UI "enhancements"), do you really need anything more powerful than a Snapdragon?
I'm more worried about the 8 GB of internal memory
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Considering that WP7 appears to run much faster than Android on comparitive hardware (thanks to not having Sense and all other sorts of HTC's UI "enhancements"), do you really need anything more powerful than a Snapdragon?
I'm more worried about the 8 GB of internal memory
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I dont want the extraa CPU power, I want the 4x better GPU and lower power consumption.
Graphics on adroid are the same as on wp7, which means Adreno 200 is still crap compared to adreno 205.
How to choose? what do you think？
xuanauy said:
How to choose? what do you think？
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Simple really, both are excellent phones but would you rather have a hard keyboard or a bigger screen?
cjward23 said:
Simple really, both are excellent phones but would you rather have a hard keyboard or a bigger screen?
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thx.
But how about ROMs？
cjward23 said:
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Is .1" really that noticeable?
Both have CM7 support, and the Vision has the original Sense UI support, not sure how the Glacier is on their version of sense or other ROM support.
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Is .1" really that noticeable?
Both have CM7 support, and the Vision has the original Sense UI support, not sure how the Glacier is on their version of sense or other ROM support.
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desire z 3.7" screen desire hd has 4.3" when you have hd in your hand it looks and feels big.
The big screen is nice but I like the touch button and the surrounding notification light on the Z. The kb on the Z I don't use all that much but when I have a big typing need it's a nice to have. The big screen is nice though, I would take which ever ones feels the best to you. I think the HD might go through it's battery faster... that may be worth looking into. The screen is the #1 battery killer.
What's worse on HD:
- Battery
- No camera button
- No trackpad
- No keyboard
- No SLCD (worse display angles and colors)
- Too big
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desire z 3.7" screen desire hd has 4.3" when you have hd in your hand it looks and feels big.
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Oops, had my threads mixed up. That's what I get for having multiple tabs open. That post meant to go in a thread comparing the Glacier with the G2, and not this one comparing the DZ to the DHD XD. I did the same exact thing with the other thread.
anyone noticed very high touch latency on this device.. exp. when you moving your finger across display, its always couple mm behind it.. I was on many android/iphone devices before op and this is the worst latency I experianced.. The phone is good in all other points, but in this is very anoying.. Is there any software/kernel way to improve it somehow?
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anyone noticed very high touch latency on this device.. exp. when you moving your finger across display, its always couple mm behind it.. I was on many android/iphone devices before op and this is the worst latency I experianced.. The phone is good in all other points, but in this is very anoying.. Is there any software/kernel way to improve it somehow?
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Could you give an example or a specific app where you face the input latency? Do you use a modified rom? In my case there is no lag at all. Accuracy and input speed are great
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Could you give an example or a specific app where you face the input latency? Do you use a modified rom? In my case there is no lag at all. Accuracy and input speed are great
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there is no lag, there is touch latency..
when you move your finger, its not instant, exp, try fast moving notification panel, and u will notice that panel is behind your finger. Maybe its not bother you, but if you try nexus device or iphone, you will see dramatic difference. I notice that @arter97 talks about it on twitter too.. I tried his kerenl and all coustom/stock/6.0/7.1 roms, but there is always high delay/latency persistent..
I tried my gf nexus5 and its way better.. and I read on web there is 75ms touch latency on nexus5, so i think there must be 100-120ms latency on oneplus3.. thats shame for flagship killer..
video example about what touch latency is.
vrda08 said:
there is no lag, there is touch latency..
when you move your finger, its not instant, exp, try fast moving notification panel, and u will notice that panel is behind your finger. Maybe its not bother you, but if you try nexus device or iphone, you will see dramatic difference. I notice that @arter97 talks about it on twitter too.. I tried his kerenl and all coustom/stock/6.0/7.1 roms, but there is always high delay/latency persistent..
I tried my gf nexus5 and its way better.. and I read on web there is 75ms touch latency on nexus5, so i think there must be 100-120ms latency on oneplus3.. thats shame for flagship killer..
video example about what touch latency is.
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Now I know what you're talking about BUT does 100ms instead of 75ms mean that the usability of the phone is limited in any way? Do you have a concrete example of a app or feature that you can't use due to the latency?
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Now I know what you're talking about BUT does 100ms instead of 75ms mean that the usability of the phone is limited in any way? Do you have a concrete example of a app or feature that you can't use due to the latency?
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no there is no that way of limitation because of 25-50ms latency. But there is worse user experiance then in some 3 yrs old devices..
Same here...
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anyone noticed very high touch latency on this device.. exp. when you moving your finger across display, its always couple mm behind it.. I was on many android/iphone devices before op and this is the worst latency I experianced.. The phone is good in all other points, but in this is very anoying.. Is there any software/kernel way to improve it somehow?
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I thought i was the only one that noticed it. I can give some example: Try True Skate, it's a paid gaming app, but it's fun to play sometimes. I have also a galaxy tab S 8.4 which has a lot better latency without any doubt.
so there is any way to improve this via software? or it is a hardware limitation?
In my opinion this is just the way how OxygenOS is designed. Try CM 14, it definetelly is created to has no touch latency.
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In my opinion this is just the way how OxygenOS is designed. Try CM 14, it definetelly is created to has no touch latency.
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Because it's Nougat.
Arter97 Tried to improve it the best he can but ran into some issues with firmware, You can read up on it in his kernel thread
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In my opinion this is just the way how OxygenOS is designed. Try CM 14, it definetelly is created to has no touch latency.
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Because it's Nougat.
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No its not nougat. Dont write s***.
Its about firmware not software. Google improved software in 7.1 with reduced touch input lag, but thats not problem wit op3.
And about nougat, I tried all roms, from 6.0 to 7.1 and its all the same in high touch latency.
if i were you, i'd use at least assistive touch as a test approach. instead of pulling up/down notification area. which introduces quite a lot possible overhead. like animation, event processing, gpu etc.
generally speaking, the OS certainly if not solely affects what you call 'touch latency' ( 'touch latency based on visual feedback' i would say). it's almost definitely not a firmware issue.
btw. you might have already heard of the infamous audio latency issue with android. as a matter of fact, it's almost a linux issue. due to the kernel and system design.
PS: oh wait. i will give you the best test case. just activate dev menu, choose to display currrent touch position on video overlay. see how everything works.
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there is no lag, there is touch latency..
when you move your finger, its not instant, exp, try fast moving notification panel, and u will notice that panel is behind your finger. Maybe its not bother you, but if you try nexus device or iphone, you will see dramatic difference. I notice that @arter97 talks about it on twitter too.. I tried his kerenl and all coustom/stock/6.0/7.1 roms, but there is always high delay/latency persistent..
I tried my gf nexus5 and its way better.. and I read on web there is 75ms touch latency on nexus5, so i think there must be 100-120ms latency on oneplus3.. thats shame for flagship killer..
video example about what touch latency is.
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So what's the value of this touch latency on this device in comparison with other phones? Any technical figure?
It's at about ~95ms. In comparison iPhone 6s is at about ~25ms and HTC M8 is at 46ms. That's what I read while googling the subject.
PlayPetepp said:
It's at about ~95ms. In comparison iPhone 6s is at about ~25ms and HTC M8 is at 46ms. That's what I read while googling the subject.
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Could you please point me in the right direction so that I can see and compare result with other devices too?
ithehappy said:
Could you please point me in the right direction so that I can see and compare result with other devices too?
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You could start here and then maybe google "smartphone touch screen latency".
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Problem reported on OnePlus forums. Check it here and here if you want further info.
Edit: xda also posted the issue here
Ngh5505 posted this one the OnePlus Forum:
https://forums.oneplus.net/attachments/screenshot_20161129-095025-png.469325/
Did anybody tried it?
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Ngh5505 posted this one the OnePlus Forum:
https://forums.oneplus.net/attachments/screenshot_20161129-095025-png.469325/
Did anybody tried it?
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It's for OP3T but it's already been ported to OP3 and there's no difference.
It's on now: Ubergizmo, App apes, Android Headlines, Mobiles365, Android Authority, Softpedia