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Sorry if this has been addressed but I searched and have not seen any updates in days, and those were just interested people no developers. Have all the developers given on this? Very disappointed here.
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What are you asking about it?
I have fresh rom and hdmi out works great, just wish there was a way to see the whole thing instead of just pics/movies.
last year I had the htc omnia with windowsmobile and could connect it to tv with av cables and see whole system on tv, it was only cool feature about it....lol
Sorry for not specifying, I meant full external monitor support. I bought a bluetooth keyboard and mouse specifically for this purpose and feel completely ripped off. Thought one of the devs would have a solution a week after the phone came out but no one seems to care at all
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I'm pretty excited about this too. Hopefully it will happen eventually.
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Not to sound disheartening or anything, but I just don't think there is that much of a demand for this.
I am sure that one of the devs will get it going sometime though, just might be a while.
I think if the demand's not there, it's only because people haven't thought much about the possibilities. I'm thinking of a future where you don't own a desktop computer. Instead, you come home from work, drop your phone into a cradle that charges the phone and makes a video connection to a monitor. The phone then pairs with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse literally becoming a computer and when you leave for work the next morning you take your computer with you as a phone.
Granted, the Evo is a little short on specs to be a main computer for most (it's probably about equal to a '02 Compaq Presario 5400) but I expect the performance will improve dramatically in future models considering some of the tech that's rumored to be on the horizon. I'd really like to see it happen with the Evo just to show the possibilities if nothing else. Besides, with the bluetooth changes in CM6 allowing the use of input devices, we're halfway there. Just need to get that pesky video out problem solved.
tonyz2897 said:
I think if the demand's not there, it's only because people haven't thought much about the possibilities. I'm thinking of a future where you don't own a desktop computer. Instead, you come home from work, drop your phone into a cradle that charges the phone and makes a video connection to a monitor. The phone then pairs with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse literally becoming a computer and when you leave for work the next morning you take your computer with you as a phone.
Granted, the Evo is a little short on specs to be a main computer for most (it's probably about equal to a '02 Compaq Presario 5400) but I expect the performance will improve dramatically in future models considering some of the tech that's rumored to be on the horizon. I'd really like to see it happen with the Evo just to show the possibilities if nothing else. Besides, with the bluetooth changes in CM6 allowing the use of input devices, we're halfway there. Just need to get that pesky video out problem solved.
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You & I buddy, we see things the same way.
Maybe we should take a poll of the community to gague interest on who might actually use this feature if the dev's got it working.
Personally I would love to see this technology paired with a USB HOST driver so that we can dock our EVO's into something and actually energize not only the monitor but also be connected to anything tethered to the dock via USB. (keyb/mouse mainly, but also storage!)
I hope you don't feel 'ripped off' by the development community who seems to give 110% almost all the time, and instead feel 'ripped off' by HTC not providing this type of functionality out of the gate, which in my mind would TOTALLY be a game changer.
Anyhow, you're not alone, it just seems we've got no developer to champion our cause just yet, or if we do, i'm not aware.
--- Now, I know it's not gonna help us with the EVO/HDMI interaction we're thinking about here but i'm personally hoping that by the time Intel's LightPeak lands in cell phones that manufacturers start to grasp this "cellphone centric" world view that we have.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/194226/intel_says_its_light_peak_optical_cables_may_succeed_usb.html
bobsbobbers said:
You & I buddy, we see things the same way.
Maybe we should take a poll of the community to gague interest on who might actually use this feature if the dev's got it working.
Personally I would love to see this technology paired with a USB HOST driver so that we can dock our EVO's into something and actually energize not only the monitor but also be connected to anything tethered to the dock via USB. (keyb/mouse mainly, but also storage!)
I hope you don't feel 'ripped off' by the development community who seems to give 110% almost all the time, and instead feel 'ripped off' by HTC not providing this type of functionality out of the gate, which in my mind would TOTALLY be a game changer.
Anyhow, you're not alone, it just seems we've got no developer to champion our cause just yet, or if we do, i'm not aware.
--- Now, I know it's not gonna help us with the EVO/HDMI interaction we're thinking about here but i'm personally hoping that by the time Intel's LightPeak lands in cell phones that manufacturers start to grasp this "cellphone centric" world view that we have.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/194226/intel_says_its_light_peak_optical_cables_may_succeed_usb.html
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USB host is a great idea. Not only for input devices and storage but also optical drives, scanners, and printers. Imagine ripping a DVD to mp4 for your phone using your phone (while docked). Of course the apps would have to be there to support those devices, but surely they would follow. Right now I'd be extremely happy just to see the basic groundwork in place (which it is excepting full UI out over hdmi). As to feeling ripped off, a few months ago I wouldn't have even thought it possible that a phone could do this. I don't feel ripped off a bit, definitely not by the development community, not even by HTC really. If anything I'm just really excited by the possibilities and willing to lend my voice to express support/interest so that hopefully the devs won't overlook this as something nobody's interested in.
metalmenance said:
What are you asking about it?
I have fresh rom and hdmi out works great, just wish there was a way to see the whole thing instead of just pics/movies.
last year I had the htc omnia with windowsmobile and could connect it to tv with av cables and see whole system on tv, it was only cool feature about it....lol
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What do you mean see the whole thing? Please elaborate for those of us who have yet to buy an hdmi cable.
I thought it would simply go into "mirror" mode, so whatever you see on your evo is mirrored on the TV, like how desktops work. Is that not the case?
Not the case.
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What do you mean see the whole thing? Please elaborate for those of us who have yet to buy an hdmi cable.
I thought it would simply go into "mirror" mode, so whatever you see on your evo is mirrored on the TV, like how desktops work. Is that not the case?
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Nope, it just shows pictures, videos, youtube, etc...
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10253&cs_id=1025301
Cables are cheap though, buy one anyway. I keep one plugged into my TV and coiled up behind it. I just pull it out and plug my phone in if I want to show certain pictures/videos from my phone.
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Not the case.
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So, when you're using apps/games, they DO NOT display on the TV?
Geeze, what's the point then?
timmymacnj said:
Sorry for not specifying, I meant full external monitor support. I bought a bluetooth keyboard and mouse specifically for this purpose and feel completely ripped off. Thought one of the devs would have a solution a week after the phone came out but no one seems to care at all
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Its not that no one cares, its that it is going to RIDICULOUSLY HARD to get full HDMI out on the EVO. I've looked into it a fair amount with the intent of coming out with an app similar to Real HDMI for the EVO. The trick for getting full HDMI out for the Droid X won't work at all for EVO due to the way HTC (and possibly Sprint) have the software stack configured for HDMI output. Long story short, it will take a dev with massive experience/knowledge to get this working since it will require a hack at the kernel/ROM level as it looks impossible to get it working at the app layer.
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Nope, it just shows pictures, videos, youtube, etc...
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10253&cs_id=1025301
Cables are cheap though, buy one anyway. I keep one plugged into my TV and coiled up behind it. I just pull it out and plug my phone in if I want to show certain pictures/videos from my phone.
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Thanks for the link, I put it on my "To Buy" queue for Monoprice
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Its not that no one cares, its that it is going to RIDICULOUSLY HARD to get full HDMI out on the EVO. I've looked into it a fair amount with the intent of coming out with an app similar to Real HDMI for the EVO. The trick for getting full HDMI out for the Droid X won't work at all for EVO due to the way HTC (and possibly Sprint) have the software stack configured for HDMI output. Long story short, it will take a dev with massive experience/knowledge to get this working since it will require a hack at the kernel/ROM level as it looks impossible to get it working at the app layer.
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Yeah I guess it is just my ignorance showing through, or maybe I just had my hopes too high. The attitude around here seems to be that our friends here will find a solution to any problem they throw at us, and I may have taken a little too much stock in that. Its not so much that I am saddened by the lack of success, it is just that with lots of searching, I can't seem to find one prominent developer working on this (barely mentioning it). I suppose I am just being a cry baby, but it is just a bummer when I look at the changelogs on roms/kernels, and I see some of the issues they spend their time working on vice things like this. I suppose if CyanogenMod didnt have to be elbow deep in WIMAX (the only other remaining feature I am dying for) this might be a different story. /Cry over
@timmymacnj: You could also post on HTC's facebook page and write to them as well. After all, if the Droid X can do it, then that's a feature that makes the Droid X better than the Evo.
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Not to sound disheartening or anything, but I just don't think there is that much of a demand for this.
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The industry as a whole is very short sighted. I use a Clarion Mind running XP SP3 as my carpc (800Mhz Atom, 512MB Ram) with no issues. Smart phones now are not to far off in specs. I've been waiting for some time for a "workstation in my pocket" type solution.
The EVO hardware supports "USB Host", HDMI (or DVI w/ an adapter), Bluetooth, WiFi, and others. All we need is USB Host (w/ HID ,mass storage, USB hub and LAN dongle support), full UI out via HDMI and bluetooth HID support. I have drawings for a dock on my workbench that has 2 usb ports, 10/100 port, 2.5" HD and DVI out. Throw in an office suite and a couple other apps and you end up with that "workstation in your pocket". Have the phone manufacturers charge $150 for it and buyers would still save money over an EVO plus netbook combo. There are a lot of companies that would benefit by giving their employees laptops but can't afford, this is an answer to that problem.
Real innovation is generally left to devs and hardware geeks. Then a couple years later the manufacturers say "Look at our cool new thingy aren't we the smart ones!"
My $0.02
Lokifish said:
The industry as a whole is very short sighted. I use a Clarion Mind running XP SP3 as my carpc (800Mhz Atom, 512MB Ram) with no issues. Smart phones now are not to far off in specs. I've been waiting for some time for a "workstation in my pocket" type solution.
The EVO hardware supports "USB Host", HDMI (or DVI w/ an adapter), Bluetooth, WiFi, and others. All we need is USB Host (w/ HID ,mass storage, USB hub and LAN dongle support), full UI out via HDMI and bluetooth HID support. I have drawings for a dock on my workbench that has 2 usb ports, 10/100 port, 2.5" HD and DVI out. Throw in an office suite and a couple other apps and you end up with that "workstation in your pocket". Have the phone manufacturers charge $150 for it and buyers would still save money over an EVO plus netbook combo. There are a lot of companies that would benefit by giving their employees laptops but can't afford, this is an answer to that problem.
Real innovation is generally left to devs and hardware geeks. Then a couple years later the manufacturers say "Look at our cool new dock aren't we the smart!"
My $0.02
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When you say that smartphones today aren't too far off in spec from your Car PC, the EVO actually bests it (unless I'm missing something)!
Seriously. Talk about Eating Microsoft's lunch!
I'm glad to hear that i'm not living on a planet all by my lonesome wanting this to come true. I know it's a mountain and a half of work but at this point, it makes me sad to think.
"It really is just software"
I feel like I missed my calling when I could have learned how to code that software but chose another path instead.
Does anyone have any connections to dev's who have thought about tackling this? Specifically might the mountain be made into a little more like a large hill if we could apply some of the HDMI code base from something like the DROID X and apply it to the EVO? Is this just too much wishful thinking?
So, the FM radio is now working in CM nightly 116. I expect that means 4G will be coming at some point in the not too distant future and hopefully with those out of the way we'll see HDMI out getting some attention. I remember reading some articles back in July saying that full HDMI out was going to be a feature in CM6. Obviously that didn't happen, but hopefully it was just postponed and not abandoned. If full HDMI does make an appearance on the Evo, I expect that a later CM rom is where we'll see it first.
I believe a lot more people would be running CM ROMs if that happens...
Have you seen the Atrix laptop dock? I can't post a link. So, go to Engadget, search for Atrix, and watch the video they posted today.
Would you be interested in such a thing for your Evo?
I wonder if it's even possible. Beyond the technical details, Motorola might have a patent on the idea.
No joke, I have been telling the guys at my work since I got my Hero over a year ago that we should make a phone dock, and they kept telling me nobody would ever use it. Well, obviously I disagreed and so do people here. Anyway, check out this thread [here], and more specifically this post [here].
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No joke, I have been telling the guys at my work since I got my Hero over a year ago that we should make a phone dock, and they kept telling me nobody would ever use it. Well, obviously I disagreed and so do people here. Anyway, check out this thread [here], and more specifically this post [here].
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I got laughed at until I had someone make a quick CG video of what could be done with my dock. After that it was "when, where, how much". The Motorola dock is just the tip of the iceberg of my intended design.
I really like where this is going... Any laptop shell that will compete with Moto should have the host phone act as the trackpad/mouse in front, not back... HDMI in needs to be a tablet feature as well! NC2 i'm looking at you!!
I would would have bought this thing the same day I bought my Eva. Pls HTC, make something incredible.
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norkoastal said:
I really like where this is going... Any laptop shell that will compete with Moto should have the host phone act as the trackpad/mouse in front, not back... HDMI in needs to be a tablet feature as well! NC2 i'm looking at you!!
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That is the SAME exact thing I was thinking when I saw the Atrix, it's so awkward on the back and would be AMAZING as a multi-touch mousepad...
I also wonder if Motorola has a patent over this, I tried doing some research and I think a different company holds the patent to this kind of technology, even though the patent terms were very broad.
I really hope not, I am looking forward to see how competitors create similar accessories.
I would love to also see a tablet shell... because realistically I will never need both my phone and a tablet.
I can't imagine the Atrix webtop thing ever taking off. If you're gonna bring something the size of a laptop around with you that costs 500 bucks, you might as well buy and actual laptop that costs 500 bucks. The only thing that's cool is their desktop cradle thing, but again, desktops can be had for so cheap that do FAR more than moto's webtop does. It'll never catch on.
Maybe a mod using the Cr-48 notebook its about the same size we need a Dev to Hack it and maybe get it to Mirror the Phone then if we have someone make a custom cradle to attach to it. IMO
No way I would buy one for $500 though, I'd much rather buy a laptop for that price.
$500 plus the cost of the phone would be like over $700!
Why not just buy a sick netbook for 299.99 lol, wouldn't it do more?
~ d3rk
dirkyd3rk said:
Why not just buy a sick netbook for 299.99 lol, wouldn't it do more?
~ d3rk
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Exactly. Or when android tablets get cheaper, get one of those.
r916 said:
No way I would buy one for $500 though, I'd much rather buy a laptop for that price.
$500 plus the cost of the phone would be like over $700!
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Everything is more expensive than it should at the beginning of a trend. Eventually, prices do go down and become affordable. This new concept is no different. I think that within the next 6 months these webtops will be as affordable as netbooks.
I thought the Atrix price point was a bit wishful as well...
That price point makes things very unpractical. I have an ipad 1 now. Got it for $200 bucks from a buddy because he just NEEDED to get the ipad2 so I am perfectly happy in the tablet department. Rooted evo with tether makes it easy to get files to my jailbroken ipad
yea.. honestly that atrix lapdock is expensive for what it does. and with the evo still not having full hdmi out on the device out of the box, i don't see it happening. and the ports on our phones would make it hard to make a lapdock in a good size as our fone would have to sit straight up if it were on the back, if it were up front, it would have to mount on the side or something and wouldn't be able to use the screen as a mouse pad.
seems like it would be cool. but i don't think it'll ever happen til the next evo after the 3d.
A laptop dock will NEVER make sense. Just get a netbook or laptop, which you probably already have.
What might make sense is a "desktop mode" that switches on as soon as you connect it to a stand alone monitor. No dock needed. They just want to make a few extra bucks by selling you a dock.
I'm thinking about getting the asus eee pad transformer when it hit the U.S,.
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A laptop dock will NEVER make sense. Just get a netbook or laptop, which you probably already have.
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I must disagree here. I would love to have access to all my music, documents, programs, etc. at all times. I realize that you basically cam on your phone but sometimes it gets annoying having to type with my thumbs, or show pics/movies to my friends at 3.5 size.
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I have a 17" Asus gaming laptop I mainly just use for videos and web browsing. Its a $1800 laptop. 2x 500gb hdd. 8gb of ram. I was thinking of selling n getting the lapdock n using a TB harddrive to keep everything on n use that way.
So my question is does anyone want to buy a laptop, n anyone want to sell a lapdock. PM me with any inquiries.
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Seriously?
Don't.
Even if you're thinking about it, it's not worth it for the current generation of phones. They're just anywhere near as capable for web browsing or for videos (particularly for videos) as your laptop is. If/when Motorola releases a phone based on Tegra 3... maybe then.
But now? No.
And I say this as somebody who's a strong advocate of the webtop (hell, I'm one of the people working on making it so that people can do more with it).
Agreed.
You have a lappy, keep it.
Sogarth said:
Seriously?
Don't.
Even if you're thinking about it, it's not worth it for the current generation of phones. They're just anywhere near as capable for web browsing or for videos (particularly for videos) as your laptop is. If/when Motorola releases a phone based on Tegra 3... maybe then.
But now? No.
And I say this as somebody who's a strong advocate of the webtop (hell, I'm one of the people working on making it so that people can do more with it).
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One of the people?
LOL, your the only one who has done any real work, AFAIK.
Thx for the suggestions. I still kinda wanna do it. Ill take 1000 for the laptop. Anyone got deals on a lapdock?
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Cheapest lapdock. Search for this thread title here.
Or, go to atts website and get one of the 175 refurbs. I got one when they had it for 25% off. GREAT PRICE!
Keep'em both.
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Hi:
I've been beta testing Nexis Media Importer 4.0 with a release date scheduled for 11/23, Black Friday, and a public beta release coming soon.
NMI 4.0 has the ability for either full screen photo scrolling or a split-screen thumbnails/image. It also has an internal audio player that allows multiple selection of tracks for playback. Coupled with the existing video streaming and the ability to open pdf, doc and xls on the fly, it's turned into a complete solution for Nexus 7 external storage.
Users can still access Photos, Vidoes, Music, Docs etc through a scanning or Folder View as well as accessing the music player or full screen photos via a separate folder/Photo or folder /music menu.
It offers most of the same features you see in the Kingston Widrive without having to recharge any batteries. My 64gb Class 6 MicroSd card connected to an OGA cable, gives me all the data I need on hand to keep my Nexus 7 up-to-date.
There will no doubt be some more changes before the final release but I'm already a happy camper.
Tom
Are you the creator?
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Sounds good but is it still just import only or can it wright now also?
englefield said:
Sounds good but is it still just import only or can it wright now also?
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Why would you need it to write?? can't you just use your data cable for that??? or even airdroid? google drive etc?
This is all great, but, and I'm sorry for my ignorance, what is black Friday?
collindubya said:
Why would you need it to write?? can't you just use your data cable for that??? or even airdroid? google drive etc?
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For times when I'm not near a net connection or PC.
CJHolderUK said:
This is all great, but, and I'm sorry for my ignorance, what is black Friday?
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Black Friday is a psuedo holiday in the US. The day after Thanksgiving (which is always a Thursday) about 90% of the country has off, and it's the unofficial start of the Christmas season. Therefore a large number of stores use this day to hold their biggest sales all year, pushing their profits into the black, thus Black Friday. Its completely insane, and there tends to be some people who get hurt each year, but, arguably, it's the best day to get many big ticket items. If you can fight off the crowds. Example: several stores have 32" TVs for under 100$, so that's going to be a bloodbath.
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Why would you need it to write?? can't you just use your data cable for that??? or even airdroid? google drive etc?
For times when I'm not near a net connection or PC.
true..... it does happen, especially in So. Oregon.....
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Black Friday is a psuedo holiday in the US. The day after Thanksgiving (which is always a Thursday) about 90% of the country has off, and it's the unofficial start of the Christmas season. Therefore a large number of stores use this day to hold their biggest sales all year, pushing their profits into the black, thus Black Friday. Its completely insane, and there tends to be some people who get hurt each year, but, arguably, it's the best day to get many big ticket items. If you can fight off the crowds. Example: several stores have 32" TVs for under 100$, so that's going to be a bloodbath.
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That sounds horrible >.< I mean good deals and everything, but I can't stand extremely busy shops. Thanks for taking your time to explain though.
On Topic; I'm looking forward to this update, I bought the NMI a while back and has served me well.
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Why would you need it to write?? can't you just use your data cable for that??? or even airdroid? google drive etc?
For times when I'm not near a net connection or PC.
true..... it does happen, especially in So. Oregon.....
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I do a lot of video work and it would be handy to move files around when on location and no chance of a net connection anywhere. Stickmount does the job but it's no way near as elegant
Also back on topic: I've just been using Stickmount and a standard file explorer for a while now, and it's served me well. What would be the big draw for a user such as myself to use this application? Keep in mind, I am using the g-script mounting trick for obb data, so I don't know if this would be a 100% replacement for me.
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Are you the creator?
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Hi:
I'm not the creator. Just a Joe Shmoe user. I believe the developer will be opening up a pubic beta tonight or tomorrow.
Best,
Tom
Just picked one of these up and I gotta say it's one of the best things I've gotten for the android phone. Able to keep it with me and all my backups and such right in my pocket and not cluttering up my phone
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http://www.sandisk.com/products/usb/dualdrive/
If you care to check it out.
That is nice! Might have to grab me one. My 32 gig in the phone is just not cutting it anymore.
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Sweet!
interesting device. I'm not not sold on the transferring file thing. Yes, it's true, but a USB cable does the same thing, LOL.
I do think it's a nice way to be able to store files that one may use on both devices a bit more easily, especially for those that don't like hooking up their phones to a PC (this would not be this crowd overall).
Wish that Samsung being the world leaders in memory production and distribution they are would be paving the way of much higher memory. You think they would.
I think even dual memory chips would be awesome. Nokia did it like 6 years ago even.
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At first I thought 'I don't need this', then that turned into 'hey, I should get one of those things' so I ordered a 32gb one on Amazon for about $20 including shipping.
lovekeiiy said:
interesting device. I'm not not sold on the transferring file thing. Yes, it's true, but a USB cable does the same thing, LOL.
I do think it's a nice way to be able to store files that one may use on both devices a bit more easily, especially for those that don't like hooking up their phones to a PC (this would not be this crowd overall).
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If your like me and can't stand having all your backups on your phone/sd card taking up alot of space. Then this is a good device to have as you can still have your backups or whatever you like with you at all times. For me there's been a time or two where my Rom was working just fine but after a few hours out of the house my phone would lock up and keep doing it. And my backups were at home. With this device that no longer is a problem.
Oh yeah. This is something I'll be picking up.