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Has this been confirmed or is it only a rumor that the Epic Touch will not have NFC?
If no NFC, it's a deal breaker - not buying. 2 years without a new technology with a lot of promise is too long.
If it does have, definitely buying.
No NFC support...sorry , I don't know why you would make it a deciding factor considering there is very very very little support for NFC so far.
Korey_Nicholson said:
No NFC support...sorry , I don't know why you would make it a deciding factor considering there is very very very little support for NFC so far.
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Preferences I suppose. I'm getting the E4GT regardless of NFC because, like you said, the NFC support is very little so far. I haven't seen or even heard of anyone I know that even used it. When the technology become more widespread then it'll be a game-changer.
Note: It also doesn't have WiDi technology in it either.
NFC will be more widespread in about 2 years, right in time for an upgrade
Here's what I'm going to say about this: I'm still waiting for confirmation from our samsung rep regarding a question I asked her the other day. (I work as a tech at a corporate store).
What should be known: the "confirmation" that the epic 4g touch lacks NFC support is derived from the fact that there were no NFC related system processes running in the background when a couple of curious previewers decided to take a peek. As far as I know and from everything I've read, there still hasn't been a claim made, nor evidence of, that the Epic 4g touch is actually lacking the hardware for it.
So I asked her point blank and she didn't know the answer: is the phone actually lacking the hardware for NFC or is the software to run it simply not included (yet)? I'm waiting for a reply, so stay tuned. Also, by tomorrow, I'll definitely be taking one apart for practice, and I'll do a little microchip research to see what I can find on my own.
EDIT: also, read my words carefully. I said "as far as I know", meaning that there may have been a post somewhere that I never read that shows proof of lack-of-hardware, so if there is, I'm sorry, but please post it here
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Here's what I'm going to say about this: I'm still waiting for confirmation from our samsung rep regarding a question I asked her the other day. (I work as a tech at a corporate store).
What should be known: the "confirmation" that the epic 4g touch lacks NFC support is derived from the fact that there were no NFC related system processes running in the background when a couple of curious previewers decided to take a peek. As far as I know and from everything I've read, there still hasn't been a claim made, nor evidence of, that the Epic 4g touch is actually lacking the hardware for it.
So I asked her point blank and she didn't know the answer: is the phone actually lacking the hardware for NFC or is the software to run it simply not included (yet)? I'm waiting for a reply, so stay tuned. Also, by tomorrow, I'll definitely be taking one apart for practice, and I'll do a little microchip research to see what I can find on my own.
EDIT: also, read my words carefully. I said "as far as I know", meaning that there may have been a post somewhere that I never read that shows proof of lack-of-hardware, so if there is, I'm sorry, but please post it here
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there is no nfc hardware.
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im not concerned about NFC. If and when the technology becomes more widespread, then ill think about getting something else
I know there's not much use for it yet, but I think it'll start to take off late this year early next year. I'd rather wait a few months for e.g. the Nexus Prime or whatever, though my old school Moment is really sucking these days.
It just seems silly they omitted it when it's included on the same phone on other carriers. I was hoping it was something like the poster above stated, and it's just not software enabled yet or something.
I'd like a Windows 7 phone actually, but those suffer same issue. I guess I'll just wait a few more months and see what shakes out.
To some people on the internet, Nokia's lack of a front-facing camera is a deal breaker. But tell me why? It has yet become common-use and people, for the most part only use it a few times for novelty purposes. I would understand not getting the lumia 800 because the screen is too small, but stop talking about FFC unless you can see a practical and consistent use for it.
Besides, Nokia compensates in other ways. It has Nokia Maps and its suppose to be the best built-in maps. No competition. Now that has a practical use. It's has a top-notch camera as well. Dual-LED with Carl Zeiss Tessar lens. However, I heard it's not on par with the Titan though.
It's a nice feature to have (e.g. seeing gf/wife/kids while on the road, etc) but yeah many people don't need it.
However, it's a check-the-box kind of feature. When your main competitors in the iPhone and the Android superphones have it, you better damn well make sure your flagship Windows Phone has it
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To some people on the internet, Nokia's lack of a front-facing camera is a deal breaker. But tell me why? It has yet become common-use and people, for the most part only use it a few times for novelty purposes. I would understand not getting the lumia 800 because the screen is too small, but stop talking about FFC unless you can see a practical and consistent use for it.
Besides, Nokia compensates in other ways. It has Nokia Maps and its suppose to be the best built-in maps. No competition. Now that has a practical use. It's has a top-notch camera as well. Dual-LED with Carl Zeiss Tessar lens. However, I heard it's not on par with the Titan though.
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I agree that it's a nice feature to have. It's a must for video calling, though.
it all comes down to features that are important to the end user, while i'm in the FFC is not all that important camp, there are others who might use it a lot on their current phone, or have a need and use for it, and to them, the loss of the FFC is a deal breaker.
the part that perplexes me is that the N9 has one, which makes the virtually identical 800 not having one irritating.
personally, i'm pretty let down by the 800, aside from the great industrial design, the rest of the phone seems pretty mediocre to me, but again, it's the stuff that the focus s and titan have that more fall into line with what i care about in my next phone which makes them better.
as far as why FFC could be a big deal, common reasons are long distance relationships (apple exploits the armed forces in their iphone4 ads, but it could also be people who travel a lot for business, in which a phone might be a more convenient way to see your loved ones when a laptop can be unweildly) the here and there instances when you need to show someone something, and a call or text won't do, etc.
It's not a big deal. I'm sure most people have complained about the screen size and storage, not the FFC. It's a case of ok if it's there, doesn't really matter if it's not.
Because some people what to video chat with loved ones, or it could be anybody really.
My last phone had one but I never used it. my new phone doesn't have one and I want one now and im not buying another phone without one now that most of my family has them
Just because its not important to you doesnt mean it isnt to other people and really I dont see why they took the ffc out to begin with, even HTC is adding them to their phones.
I think it's because people like to hold Microsoft to a higher standard. Apple and Google can mess up all they want but as soon as Microsoft does all the haters jump at it. The lack of FFC and dual core situation is no different.
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I think it's because people like to hold Microsoft to a higher standard. Apple and Google can mess up all they want but as soon as Microsoft does all the haters jump at it. The lack of FFC and dual core situation is no different.
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The attitude like this sparks the flame wars.
As for the OP: I am using ffc occasionally to gtalk with people when I am not near my laptop.
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The attitude like this sparks the flame wars.
As for the OP: I am using ffc occasionally to gtalk with people when I am not near my laptop.
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who said I was getting an attitude?
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Features, quite simply. While you, and admittedly I, do not use it (I don't, at all) we just acknowledge that many see this as a necessary - and at this point standard feature - that from here on out it should be present on any legitimately "high-end" phone. No questions, it should just be there. When Android phones started using it (and I'm aware they were around long before) people questioned it and their overall usefulness. It's obviously a well requested feature and should be as standard as an opposite facing camera, given the greater leaps made in video conferencing / chatting as of recent time.
Its not so much that it's a huge deal, but something that should just be standard.
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To some people on the internet, Nokia's lack of a front-facing camera is a deal breaker. But tell me why? It has yet become common-use and people, for the most part only use it a few times for novelty purposes. I would understand not getting the lumia 800 because the screen is too small, but stop talking about FFC unless you can see a practical and consistent use for it.
Besides, Nokia compensates in other ways. It has Nokia Maps and its suppose to be the best built-in maps. No competition. Now that has a practical use. It's has a top-notch camera as well. Dual-LED with Carl Zeiss Tessar lens. However, I heard it's not on par with the Titan though.
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It's mostly a gimmick IMO. People want it because it exists in other high end devices, so it makes their devices look worse without it.
I had 2 cell phones with front cameras and I only used that feature one time to test it for fun. I believe that not many people would want to hold their phone like a mirror and talk to their contacts with everyone around looking at their personal video calling.
It reminds me of personal assistants like Siri on the iPhone. Everybody likes them, but in the end they get used only inside the house for fun and sometimes away from other family members.
Front Cameras also raise the cost of a device without offering a great functionality.
Never-Ever used front Cam on mobiles i had..
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3-d and thinness are seen in standard high-end Tvs but that doesnt mean it's a deal breaker. Sure, it's a great to have, but some things can easily compensate. I'd say, in the way I use my phones, that Nokia maps easily well and over compensates for the lack of FFC. However, I do wish the screen was 4inches ...
also a nice feature for checking your hair
those of you saying it's no big deal.. you are quite ignorant. again, i'm one who would not use it (currently). but i know many who video chat all the time on their phone. if they currently are used to always video chatting, why would they get a phone without one. its very simple to see why many wouldn't even consider a phone without a FFC. it's all opinion guys.. just because you don't see the point in something doesn't mean it's pointless.
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It's a nice feature to have (e.g. seeing gf/wife/kids while on the road, etc) but yeah many people don't need it.
However, it's a check-the-box kind of feature. When your main competitors in the iPhone and the Android superphones have it, you better damn well make sure your flagship Windows Phone has it
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Best answer in the thread.
cgibsong002 said:
also a nice feature for checking your hair
those of you saying it's no big deal.. you are quite ignorant. again, i'm one who would not use it (currently). but i know many who video chat all the time on their phone. if they currently are used to always video chatting, why would they get a phone without one. its very simple to see why many wouldn't even consider a phone without a FFC. it's all opinion guys.. just because you don't see the point in something doesn't mean it's pointless.
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Not only that but MS just bought Skype video chat will be integrated at an OS level we want phones that will be ready for the inevitable.
I honestly only used the FFC for checking for boogers
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3-d and thinness are seen in standard high-end Tvs but that doesnt mean it's a deal breaker. Sure, it's a great to have, but some things can easily compensate. I'd say, in the way I use my phones, that Nokia maps easily well and over compensates for the lack of FFC. However, I do wish the screen was 4inches ...
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I don't think comparing a camera to a display type is fair. I'm sure one could make the argument for both, why one is would seem of more use, but one is obviously a stronger mobile standard than the other and offers more legitimate use. One being directed more toward media intake, albeit in a smaller demographic, while the other appeals and offers to a larger demographic. I have rarely used mine, but it is entrely more productive than some display tech. Especially considering when you consider a form that doesn't fill a scale such as HD output does. That's exactly why 3D TVs haven't made that jump yet.
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3-d and thinness are seen in standard high-end Tvs but that doesnt mean it's a deal breaker. Sure, it's a great to have, but some things can easily compensate. I'd say, in the way I use my phones, that Nokia maps easily well and over compensates for the lack of FFC. However, I do wish the screen was 4inches ...
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You can't compensate that. Its a missing hardware component. Its not like using opera mobile because a stock browser is missing hardware acceleration. If its not there its not there.
All Tablets, higher iOS/WP/Android devices, high end Pmps (galaxy player/ITouch) have it. Most mid range phones are now shipping with vga front cams. Not putting it there is denying your users a whole means of communicating and making your phones less useful to business users who need stuff like WebEx.
However go ahead and downplay it.
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Beside video calling it is also great if you want to take pictures with yourself in the picture because you can actually see on the screen what you are shooting.
Anyway, right now I think it is not so important because there is no skype app available, but if Skype gets integrated like Facebook the FFC could really become a deal breaker on the Nokia 800.
In my own case, I would find FFC to be really useful. I may be in the minority, but I was using video-calling over 3g with my old Touch Diamond2. In addition to using it with a mobile, I quite often use Skype to stay in touch with family, both extended family and my own family when I'm working away.
I recently had to travel for work, and due to corporate software policy, was unable to have Skype on my work laptop. This mean I carried an additional (old and bulky) laptop with me on my travels. I personally would have found it so much more convenient to simply be able to make the call on my mobile.
I simply assumed that with MS purchasing Skype, and Nokia buying into WP7, there'd be no question of FFC missing from the latest batch of phones. I was about to go with Nokia for past history of good quality hardware, good cameras etc. And then I found out that the memory would still be limited (I didn't realise how much of the 8Gb on my current Omnia 7 is reserved for the OS/apps, etc) *and* FFC was missing.
Now, in the grand scheme of things, these might not matter to the majority of users. But I miss having my favourite albums on tap, and the ability to video call on those occasions I wish to do so. And sadly, I've not ordered the new Nokia phones and have decided to hang on to the Omnia 7 until next year, when Nokia are due to release more handsets.
Slightly off topic - but regarding the memory, I used to have a 2Gb SD card in my TD2. This was more than enough for me to carry around my albums, but now I have less albums on an 8Gb Omnia 7! (Mind you, I have far more photos due to the ease of use of taking pictures ) I don't fully understand why MS decided to control the use of expandable memory in such a way. I can see why, but in my mind, I keep asking why people aren't allowed to add memory to suit their own needs.
Nonetheless, apart from the two issues mentioned above, I'm really happy with my phone, quite often demonstrating it to my iPhone/Android-toting work buddies. I'd just really like to be able to tell them one day that it also has Flash player support, expandable memory and video calling built in
I'm a bit confused. What exactly does this NFC chip do? What can I use it for on the daily? What apps are recommended for the chip?
right now nothing useful
after ICS 4.0 then we actually get to use it more often
Not 100% sure, but it might be useful for the latest version of Paypal. It seems to support NFC for transfers between friends.
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NFC (Near Field Communications) will allow you to pay for items via your phone instead of your wallet. Many foreign countries have already accepted their phones as credit cards replacements; Japan for example.
But, it does more than just pay for items. QR codes that we just started using, requires you to use the camera and it will bring you to a site or direct you to an advertisement. With NFC, you can simply hold your phone to an advertisement (that is NFC capable) and it will divert you to site/advertisement. If you are in the U.S, you can go to your nearest T-Mobile store and they should have a NFC sticker you can try it out on.
but in North America, we barely have any place that is actually using it for mainstream
it's such a rare view to ever see or find anything with a NFC tag to scan
We are still catching up. I hear in Japan you can walk up to a soda machine and buy a soda with your phone.
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but in North America, we barely have any place that is actually using it for mainstream
it's such a rare view to ever see or find anything with a NFC tag to scan
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Yeah, it's understandable why though. We are way behind in terms of technology compared to other countries. Just about 6 years ago, we didn't even have 3G yet, but we are slowly catching up.
NFC is not garnering alot of attention because Americans are so afraid of the consequences of such technology. They are worried about people stealing information through NFC or hacking their accounts through NFC, but many don't understand that it is much easier to pick pocket your wallet or rob you than it is to hack your phone to steal your accounts.
Hopefully we'll catch up soon though Google Wallet is currently testing NFC in various markets and offering a 10$ credit for you to buy anything in the store they are testing it in.
I think people don't realize is they have been using NFC for years with Paypass, now Paywave, and now Interac Flash is coming out based on the same tech.
Gas stations have been using it too like Petro Canada ... actually most places I've been too here in Canada have NFC pay terminals so we just need Google Wallet to be available here and we can go nuts.
I don't think that's NFC, the ones that are used in Credit cards are RFID.
Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but something I was curious about...
Though it's still in the "anticipated" technology phase, there's a lot of buzz regarding NFC with various review sites praising or criticizing newly released phones for the inclusion or lack of NFC respectively.
NFC, like any other communications technology, needs both the hardware and software to control it, right? Our SGS2's seem to have the NFC "chips" (not sure what the appropriate term for the hardware is) in the battery (not just based on what's written on the battery, but what the T-Mo SGS2 manual indicates).
Based on this, couldn't any phone out there with a user-replaceable battery (read: any non-Apple phone) be pretty easily upgradable with a replacement battery pack and firmware update in the future? If that's the case, it doesn't seem like so much should be read into whether a phone launches with NFC capability or not.
But like I said, I don't know much about the technical aspects, so I might just sound like a moron.
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Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but something I was curious about...
Though it's still in the "anticipated" technology phase, there's a lot of buzz regarding NFC with various review sites praising or criticizing newly released phones for the inclusion or lack of NFC respectively.
NFC, like any other communications technology, needs both the hardware and software to control it, right? Our SGS2's seem to have the NFC "chips" (not sure what the appropriate term for the hardware is) in the battery (not just based on what's written on the battery, but what the T-Mo SGS2 manual indicates).
Based on this, couldn't any phone out there with a user-replaceable battery (read: any non-Apple phone) be pretty easily upgradable with a replacement battery pack and firmware update in the future? If that's the case, it doesn't seem like so much should be read into whether a phone launches with NFC capability or not.
But like I said, I don't know much about the technical aspects, so I might just sound like a moron.
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The NFC chip requires it to be integrated into the phone in order for it to work. The NFC on the battery most likely states that it is optimized for NFC, I don't think there is a NFC chip inside the battery.
There are already 2-3 threads discussing NFC in this forum. One of them includes some fairly detailed testing about what is working atm.
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The NFC chip requires it to be integrated into the phone in order for it to work. The NFC on the battery most likely states that it is optimized for NFC, I don't think there is a NFC chip inside the battery.
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if you replace the battery with another one that does not have NFC, your NFC option will get greyed out in Settings
so they battery might not be the NFC chip itself, but might very well behave like the antennae as found on the Nexus S battery door
I didn't know if I should start a new trad or ask here, but didn't want to clutter the forum.
So I'm seeing that they are making a big deal with the Galaxy Nexus for Verizon on not having Google Wallet in it.
My question is-
Is it part of ICS?
If not any idea of when it will be release?
Will it work on our phones since it has a NFC chip?
Not that there is alot of places to use it at, but it would be fun to have for the few places to show off, lol.
Wallet doesn't seem like part of ICS
already played with ICS on many devices, and don't see wallet included
you can always install the hacked version manually
yes it works
Link please
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last i saw it, it was on the Nexus S forum
the new Facebook app suppose to support tap to add friend with NFC, but I don't have any friend with NFC to try with.
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last i saw it, it was on the Nexus S forum
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Ok thanks, Ill take a look.
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I have to say I am in shock and awe, considering Motorola's "sharing" nature in the past. But, then again, Google did just recently purchase the giant didn't they. Well, if you are wondering what I am reeling about, check out the latest update of the Android SDK... and take a gander at all the SDKs released for pretty much every current Motorola device. Well, this will mean those phone's will receive some fine-tuned development for applications. And although I haven't cared for the gentle giant much since the late 90's, I do have to say bravo... nice to see you turn over a new leaf. And, I'm going to go out on a limb here.... (given the aforementioned purchase) I kind of wonder what the Google Development devices of the future might look like... and who might manufacture them ::shrug:: I suppose it's the way the cookie crumbles.
I do not own a single Motorola device (though I pondered the Xoom for a bit)... Just thought I'd blog in the general section about a totally unrelated manufacturer.
Oh, since I am duty-bound to mention it, I only own HTC phones (I think six), but the evidence in front of my eyes... well, I might have to spread myself out next purchase.
Since I should keep this Wildfire-centric, I will conclude this lil blog with a general question you guys can all bat around...
What do you think of another Wildfire device (HTC Golf rumored to be HTC Wildfire C releasing with ics)?
Thoughts, opinions, etc all welcome... damn already a thread on that...
Uhhh well, I am looking forward to modpunk's ics.. everyone go hit his thanks button... and I'm pulling my Tmo wfs back out; so, I can take a gander... Looking forward to this... who would of thunk it four months ago? but Qualcomm updates their drivers and you got a dedicated dev working on it non-stop (this is why you should thank him).. Nice to see our lil 600 Mhz devices oc'd and running ics.. what a hoot.
This is my first HTC and android phone and it will be my last. It turned out not to be the disappointment that it could be but only thanks to modpunk's effort and the other devs.
I don't agree with HTC's policy that if you want an update buy an updated device. Just look at the google nexus s phone or any other google phone, it's constantly being updated and the support for the device is incredible.
My next device will be made by samsung or motorola and would definitely have at least 4.0 inch hdpi screen and some decent internal storage.
I haven't really made up my mind yet...
Although I love the Wildfire s for beeing such a compact device I guess I wouldn't be interested in staying in the same smartphone league forever. Therefore the HTC Golf in my eyes wouldn't really be a considerable step forward.
When I saw the recent release of the One X with the built-in quadcore processor and 32GB internal memory space at first that seemed to be the way to go for me but then when I saw the results of the benchmark test where the One S did even better whilst only using a dualcore processor I kind of started to doubt wether this is really gonna be the next device to replace my current Wildfire S... =/
I absolutely love the sense user interface, but probably waiting for the next Nexus Jellybean device could be a smart move even if the odds are that'll probably be a Motorola device then...
I guess the current android version is just not yet prepaired for an efficient use of quadcore processors. Hopefully the next one will fix this.
So even if HTC has plans to roll out a jellybean update for the One series in the future I still guess that going for a Nexus device might shorten the stock firmware updating time for quite a while...
Still there's so much about HTC and the One Series that makes me drool...
All you get from a nice custom rom is speed and battery drain, plus nice gui customization, nothing else. If I were to buy another smartphone I would choose the sensation not xl or xe cause all devs have it and there are hundreds of roms to choose from plus everyday it is always updated. Also it's thin and looks like a phone that doesnt get old on the looks of it. I wouldnt buy a thick phone thats to heavy in the pocket.
Wildfire S, as is the entire Wildfire family, is an economy smartphone. Its been nice to see what can be eeked out of a (lower end) smartphone though.
Galaxy Nexus IS Google's current development device, of course it will get updates first.
Like the Sensation...
I also looked at the dual-touchscreen api (from the Kyocera Echo)... I have to imagine that would be A+ top notch for game emulators (like DS roms and such).
All kind of interesting development going on though (at all times). Anyone tried that Google Drive yet?
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My Wildfire S was just a constant annoyance until I found Simon's thread and upgraded to Sense 3.5. I can't imagine any company/vendor putting out an "economy" phone with so much crap on it. It was like being in a candy store but only being allowed to buy stuff with a dime.
A note on pulling back out my tmo wfs...
I really am a tightwad. But Walmart in conjunction with tmo has a plan...
$30/mo; first 5 gig at 4g speed, unlimited data and msgs, but only 100 calling mins...
Considering I was on the cheapest I could find VM USA:
$35/mo; first 2.5 gig at their fastest 3g speed, unlimied data and msgs, and 300 calling mins.
Now, take calling mins out of the equation by getting some kinda SIP apk, setting up free Google Voice acct and Tele number (incoming calls), setting up a free pbxes.org (router and outgoing calls) and boom.. Tmo the cheapest kid by comparison (and you get all the mins your data will allow... 1500 mins+ easily).
Only found one other service cheaper.. Republic Wireless at $19/mo but you have to buy their modded Optimus S (don't know how I feel about having to have a not-so-well-known company's ROM that strips back functionality of device (by some accounts; ie audio, dsp, etc especially) but its a similar logic to SIPs... It in effect forces WiFi, whenever possible, then routes everything (calls, texts,etc) over IP. I do like their headquartered in Cary, NC which is somewhat close to me and their IP way of doing things... But I like to mod roms and I haven't seen a RUU for their build.
If I could buy a generic Optimus S (Sprint), they hand me the RUU, and whatever cdma workshop tweaks I might need to make, I'd give it a go... but otherwise, its a LG device, and I still only own HTC at present.
Rob
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I say reluctantly, because I want WP to be awesome. I want to stay with it, but I just can't do this 'basic' thing anymore. The colours are so dreadfully boring, there's no WP8 support for my device, Zune software sucks ass. I miss being able to just drag and drop into my music folder. Why complicate it needlessly with restrictive software? How many "new" colours will there be? 4? Android used to be laggy, but it's not anymore. Why is there no speed dial? (Yes there's an app for that, but I live in a border city, the only dialer app that displays my network is the native one, and I need to see it). There's no DLNA app (The LG one? Sorry, that's not a working app, that's just some user interface that pretends to be a DLNA app), and the battery. My freakin gosh the battery. I'd get better battery life out of a lemon and copper wire. 99% gives me 12 hours, that's if I close all apps and leave it alone for the day. I own three chargers (work, car, home), and mine is only a 3.5" screen! What if I had went with the HD7??
These alleged WP8 handsets that are coming out, will they be on par with even 2010 tech? Probably not. I'm so underwhelmed by just everything. My bro-in-law has the Note, and it's insane. Super AMOLED HD screen, xvid/h-264 support, HD out, etc. And it's already outdated almost. The Note 2 will be announced tomorrow, and then hopefully soon available here in Canada.
These are old talking points, I know. I've been reading/lurking this board since before WP came out. It's been hashed out time and again. And it doesn't even matter. What matters is what will please you/me the most. What do you care which platform I go with? I'm not bashing anything, just verbalizing my internal dialogue trying to decide. I was a pioneer with this platform, it pains me, I wanted it to be awesome, but it's just not fully functional. "But wait for the next update" worked a year ago, not this time. WP8 will be undercooked and a day late.
The desktop Windows 8 looks like a disaster of Titanic/watergate proportions. I don't want my device to in any way require that... thing of an OS. They missed the point. They may have started with simplicity in mind, but they're far from it now.
I'm due now for an upgrade, but it's not required, so I'm probably waiting until after Christmas to give time for all the iPhone5/Note2/WP8's of the world to be fully released and reviewed.
Anyone else feeling like this?
to my understanding, there's no/not too much heat on new android devices because almost every month(if not every week) there're some new android devices released to the market. You will always find better device if you hold just a little bit, just a little. but for the iPhone or the coming WP8, it'll be quite a long time before you will see a real update, the next release cycle, one year or something. So, before you see those, why jump now?
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to my understanding, there's no/not too much heat on new android devices because almost every month(if not every week) there're some new android devices released to the market. You will always find better device if you hold just a little bit, just a little. but for the iPhone or the coming WP8, it'll be quite a long time before you will see a real update, the next release cycle, one year or something. So, before you see those, why jump now?
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Yeah that's been the ongoing joke about the iPhone forever. And Android is definitely doing that lately.
There's certain features I really need to have in my next device. The Note has all of them. If the Note 2 dials some back, then I'll just go with the Note 1 and save some cash. If you can wait a couple months and get a little bit bigger screen, why not right?
Wait until Jan/Feb. Im expecting Microsoft to really step up with WP8 or Im gone also. I really dont like Android, but I might be out of options.
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Wait until Jan/Feb. Im expecting Microsoft to really step up with WP8 or Im gone also. I really dont like Android, but I might be out of options.
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I have a A500 running 4.0.3 I think, it works fine, but I ran into a lot crashes and problems too. I think I'm very open on which OS to use, the cheapest I think I got my Windows Phone Arrive for free, absolutely free, not even activation fee, so that's why I'm with WP7. But in fact, if I jump on the new release iPhone 5, but sell it, profits.
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This is not a flame but a genuine question. Why not wait and see what RIM come up with? I got my HTC Titan because I like the look and style of win 7 and realy do not like Iphone or Andriod and yes i have had an Andriod and my girlfriend has my Iphone 4. I too feel there is just too much missing from win7 and am due an upgrade about November so if RIM can manage to sort out there act i might give it a try.Remember how things were for apple a few years ago when they were talking about just selling the company
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^ waiting on RIM, it'll be sometime next year before an actual device is released.
Side note:
I just sold a GS3. Damn beastly phone, the best I ever had. I didn't even mind Touch wiz. I had it for one full day before selling it, that home button just ruined the experience for me though.
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What vetvito said. Blackberry won't have BB10 out until like Q2 2013. As well as that, I'm just not interested in the last hurrah of a sinking company. It will probably be pretty limited. I'm just getting done with a 'new' platform, I'd like to be with something that's worked in.
Yes exactly my thoughts also on RIM. I dont want to switch to an OS that most likely will not be around anymore in few years. Before Nokia announced MS partnership I was expecting Meego to be the thing for me. I really hope hope WP8 is meeting my expectations and I wouldnt have to move to Android.
My suggestion would also be to simply wait what Microsoft's partners and Apple are bringing to the table next month. If you wait until december you should have all the options aside from RIM for whom I personally would not wait.
The Note is a nice phone in theory but the only one I know who owns one is telling me permanently about the newest strangeness it decides on doing (guess it's simply his device that's acting up - at least I hope so).
On the hardware front I'm not that concerned over WP8. The release handsets were announced to all feature Qualcomms Snapdragon S4 Plus chipsets which, even though being dual core instead of quad, offer better performance than the Tegra 3 and Samsungs own Quadcore-Chips due to the Krait-Architecture by Qualcomm. It's the same chip the LTE-Versions of the HTC One X and Galaxy S3 currently use. HD displays are also a go with WP8.
The biggest question will be WP8 features and it seems we will know whats coming there in one week.
I do see the point in waiting, but I just got myself a Focus S and its the dogs bollocks
I think what most users need to do is actually sit down and find out what they want from their phone.
apart from being able to install customs ROMs this phone does everything I want it to and it looks amazing so for me its ideal, waiting for a WP8 device may seem prudent just now but again, what do you actually want it to do, WP8 will bring new features but do you really NEED them or is it a case of "yeah that would be cool to have" if its the latter than you are buying it for the wrong reason.
theres too much focus on tech and not enough on actual usability. I can promise you that no android or Iphone will be better for my needs at the moment, not because I know every single device out there but because I know what I need my phone for, and the Focus S ticks all the boxes
So that's my advice, sit down, and write down what your phone MUST do, not what youd like it to do but MUST do, once you find a phone that does all of those things weigh up costs etc yes WP8 will be out soon, but do you NEED it, the answer may be no, but the flip side is that WP7 devices will drop in price so perhaps that's your best option.....anyhow, just food for thought
At the end of the day, it is just a phone. Doesn't matter what OS you buy into but this time around, don't buy a phone which "looks" good or "feels" good.
I would suggest trying out the phone and functions to your heart's content before parting with your money. Like everyone else, I am playing a waiting game before I invest my cash on any OS. This Christmas Santa will be pretty confused too!
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I do see the point in waiting, but I just got myself a Focus S and its the dogs bollocks
I think what most users need to do is actually sit down and find out what they want from their phone.
apart from being able to install customs ROMs this phone does everything I want it to and it looks amazing so for me its ideal, waiting for a WP8 device may seem prudent just now but again, what do you actually want it to do, WP8 will bring new features but do you really NEED them or is it a case of "yeah that would be cool to have" if its the latter than you are buying it for the wrong reason.
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MY WORDS! WP8 has some new features, but 80% of the world does not use NFC. look at Europe or Asia, have somebody seen some NFC around? the same thing, even worse is with east Europe. ok the better screen and the developer could make apps for WP8 in c++ but that not that big deal for the mayor of us. the problem is Other operating systems like Android made the WP7 users to WISH better specs. that's the problem, like an virus thats now in the heads of a few WP7 users. my WP7 does everything what i need to have from a phone right now, and for the next one, two years! like you stated people think of WP8 "yeah that and that feature would be cool to have" but i will never use it. i say lets wait until 7.8 and the new start screen, it looks and feels like the WP8. ok we dont get wallet and such thing, but wallet i dont need, i have a real wallet made out from leather the only thing whats not so good for wp7 is that voip agent can not run in background like the GSM service. so that would be an WP8 feature why i would switch, but not right now, maybe next year when the devices would be around 300-400€ in Germany.
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ok the better screen and the developer could make apps for WP8 in c++ but that not that big deal for the mayor of us.
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I disagree on some of these points. Higher screen resolutions and native code are very important features. Native code enables easier porting of apps from iOS and Android (not to mention more similarity between WP8 and Windows RT) and should make these apps faster / more responsive. Having a choice of a retina display would also be nice
It would also be nice to have some bug fixes, which is more likely to happen on WP8. Tango seemed to break podcast management for some of us, in addition to a few other niggles (e.g. why can't I edit the original email after pressing reply / forward?, volume normalisation issues etc). The overall experience is good - however, there seem to be several rough edges in WP7.
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I do see the point in waiting, but I just got myself a Focus S and its the dogs bollocks
I think what most users need to do is actually sit down and find out what they want from their phone.
apart from being able to install customs ROMs this phone does everything I want it to and it looks amazing so for me its ideal, waiting for a WP8 device may seem prudent just now but again, what do you actually want it to do, WP8 will bring new features but do you really NEED them or is it a case of "yeah that would be cool to have" if its the latter than you are buying it for the wrong reason.
theres too much focus on tech and not enough on actual usability. I can promise you that no android or Iphone will be better for my needs at the moment, not because I know every single device out there but because I know what I need my phone for, and the Focus S ticks all the boxes
So that's my advice, sit down, and write down what your phone MUST do, not what youd like it to do but MUST do, once you find a phone that does all of those things weigh up costs etc yes WP8 will be out soon, but do you NEED it, the answer may be no, but the flip side is that WP7 devices will drop in price so perhaps that's your best option.....anyhow, just food for thought
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Hmm good thoughts, but I disagree.
With things as luxurious as cell phones, the wants are what's most important. Cause if you go by "needs", then I'll be getting a simple feature phone, or a low end Android. Because I don't care who you are, no one needs resolution even as high as 800x480. What I "need" are email and text capabilities. I think the RAZR circa 2004 had that.
What I want is not what WP can provide right now. I know HD screens are approved, but welcome to 2011, as we head into 2013. They'll always be a step behind. Will WP8 have HDMI out? x264 support? Working DLNA? wifi hotspot? Doing away with software and just allowing drag and drop? Motion (press screen and move your hand around)?
I've been to the threads and looked at the features we've seen so far and it's just what should have been included in October 2010. The saying "wait for the next update", has been given as an excuse for every single update.
Just waiting now for news of the Note 2. Berlin is like 5 hours ahead of EST isn't it? I would've thought it'd be revealed by now.
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Ah, it's 1pm for the reveal. Leaked pictures look pretty sick.
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Yes exactly my thoughts also on RIM. I dont want to switch to an OS that most likely will not be around anymore in few years. Before Nokia announced MS partnership I was expecting Meego to be the thing for me. I really hope hope WP8 is meeting my expectations and I wouldnt have to move to Android.
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Seriously, it would be nice to be with a solid performer.
Meego looked cool, and Bada looked promising as well. C'est la vie I guess.
Android really has come a long way
Personally I didn't really like stock Android without sense till ics. It changed everything. Battery is meh compared to I phone, but with a custom kernel I can get ~12 hours with 1-2 hours screen on if I stick with lte. With jb its really smooth too I'd recommend a Nexus if you want os support. I have an HTC Rezound and htc is really poor with updates. If you are willing to root a toro/maguro will be supported for years. If not, you should at least get a year more of updates since the phone came out last November.
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^ it'll get more than a year of support. Nexus S, two years old still getting love.
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Seriously, it would be nice to be with a solid performer.
Meego looked cool, and Bada looked promising as well. C'est la vie I guess.
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The N9 meego was awesome. Samsung killed Bada due to poor sales, but it sold more than WP7.
I'm wanting to see what the Jolla guys do later this year.
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Hmm good thoughts, but I disagree.
With things as luxurious as cell phones, the wants are what's most important. Cause if you go by "needs", then I'll be getting a simple feature phone, or a low end Android. Because I don't care who you are, no one needs resolution even as high as 800x480. What I "need" are email and text capabilities. I think the RAZR circa 2004 had that.
What I want is not what WP can provide right now. I know HD screens are approved, but welcome to 2011, as we head into 2013. They'll always be a step behind. Will WP8 have HDMI out? x264 support? Working DLNA? wifi hotspot? Doing away with software and just allowing drag and drop? Motion (press screen and move your hand around)?
I've been to the threads and looked at the features we've seen so far and it's just what should have been included in October 2010. The saying "wait for the next update", has been given as an excuse for every single update.
Just waiting now for news of the Note 2. Berlin is like 5 hours ahead of EST isn't it? I would've thought it'd be revealed by now.
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Ah, it's 1pm for the reveal. Leaked pictures look pretty sick.
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Ah but usability is the main point here, HDMI, x264, DLNA, NFC are all features that are completely meaningless for many of us, you are absolutely right that a feature phone from 2004 would have done all that I need, but my phone does it better, quicker and a lot more efficiently! but that is my point if you NEED HDMI then that becomes a tick box that must be met, if it is a "oh that's a cool feature" then it shouldn't be a main tick box otherwise you'll be a mug for marketing and end up spending more on stuff you don't NEED.
All those folk out there with quad core phones are a prime example, slapping a quad core in my phone will make absolutely no difference at all in the slightest and I question anyone that doesn't play games or encode video on there phone to tell me that it does make a difference, its a great marketing tool though, its QUAD core guys, its X4 better than a single core, you MUST have this, and people lap it up, hook line and sinker
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HDMI, x264, DLNA, NFC are all features that are completely meaningless for many of us
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I am completely satisfied with my HD7 and NextGen 3.3 ROM, two things I miss in everyday life: Teamviewer and how to KILL SMS toast notification...