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S-OFF Required for ROM Flash (GSM)?

I'm new to this rooting/flashing thing, so please go easy with me
I have a GSM Desire which I've rooted and installed ClockworkMod Recovery.
It is still S-ON.
Aim is to add a ROM with apps2sd to enable an ext partition on SD card.
So now at point where I want to flash a new ROM. Done a fair bit of searching but
still unsure whether this requires S-OFF.
Is S-OFF required to flash a ROM from recovery?
If so, any pointer to best way to do this please? Alpharev?
Or is S-OFF only required if altering the system partition when phone is running normally?
Any tips appreciated.

PeteW said:
I'm new to this rooting/flashing thing, so please go easy with me
I have a GSM Desire which I've rooted and installed ClockworkMod Recovery.
It is still S-ON.
Aim is to add a ROM with apps2sd to enable an ext partition on SD card.
So now at point where I want to flash a new ROM. Done a fair bit of searching but
still unsure whether this requires S-OFF.
Is S-OFF required to flash a ROM from recovery?
If so, any pointer to best way to do this please? Alpharev?
Or is S-OFF only required if altering the system partition when phone is running normally?
Any tips appreciated.
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you need to s-off and alpharev is the way to go

You don't need S-off to flash a rom.
AlphaRev is the only way to S-off a GSM desire.
S-off allows write access to the system partition while booted, alternative hboob layouts, changing splash screen and some fastboot commands.
But for the things you mentioned you don't need it.

TheGhost1233 said:
hboob layouts
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Sorry he means Hboot, FYI that typo made me LOL hard!

S-OFF:yes or no???

hi guys,i've 2 question about s-off procedure:
1- if i make the s-off,i'll nedd an ext partition on my sd anyway in order to have more memory for install programms or there is some other solution?
2- i saw in the development section that there are some rom only for s-off device,what are the differences with other modded rom?(are more responsive,smooth, or wath)
therefore,it worth to make s-off or not?
thanks

Going s-off will allow you to modify the system partitions in the phone itself. Depending on the ROM you use, you can gain more internal memory from going s-off. I think the only ROM's that require s-off are the new Sense3.0 ROM's and that's because they have you flash custom partitions.
When you run the s-off procedure, your partitions won't change in size until you download the Hboot file that you want and flash it via fastboot or a flashing utility.
Make sure you know what you're doing and understand everything before doing this. It's one of the few things that can brick your phone if it fails.

than aren't the s-off rom better than the "normal" modded rom?
if there are not advantages...i' ll not do the s-off procedure because i' m not sure to complete the procedure in the right way!!!
thank you jordan.harris01

Don't do it if you feel comfortable doing it but I think you misunderstood me. The advantage to it is you get more space on your internal memory so you don't need to rely on A2SD and things like that which can run slower as they are pulling data from your SD card.
Going s-off is the only way you can change the system partition sizes to gain more internal memory.

aaahhhh...ok! now i understood what u mean.thank u very much for the explaination
i'll think about do or not the s-off...

Any tutorial on how to s-off and install cm7?

felix1318 said:
Any tutorial on how to s-off and install cm7?
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One of the tutorials -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=805811

Thank you!

[Q] Help with best Rom for my gingerbread desire with lastest gingerbread ruu

Hi guys
I have a desire bravo that i updated to the new gingerbread ruu when it came out.
Sorry but i have a few questions. Im on holiday at the moment and im using my desire wifi hotspot to use the internet at the moment so i really dont want to mess it up.
1) I used the clockwork mod to S-off and install a custom recovery this morning.
I know that the S-Off worked and i manged to install the custom recovery as the superuser app has shown up in my menu and the hboot menu shows S-Off.
First thing i did was to do a back up that i have saved to my computer..
I then moved on to Root the rom and it showed as being complete
When i installed root check from the market i get some problems. The first is : Application superuser has stopped unexpectedly. I have to force close the app to continue. Root check then tells me that "Root Access is not properly configured or was not granted"
Anyone have any ideas about what i did wrong ???
2) if i cant root the rom should i just install a new custom rom. Does anyone know what is the best GB rom with a new sense (not bothered about what one) i should install. Not worried about App to sd yet as i thought if i start small with a stable rom then i can always change to a rom with app to sd built in at a later time once i get used to changing roms
Thanks for your help as i said i really dont want to brick the phone as i will lost internet access and will be stuck till i get home.
Thanks Guys
BTW big thanks to the clockwork guys for all there hard work

When your phone is s-off, you don't have to root it (or rather the os). So if the s-off process finishes (you cannot s-off with a recovery, so I assume you did it with revolutionary), just flash a rom with root access and you're done.
There is no "best rom". It depends on personal preferences. Just try.

yes i used the revolutionary way to s-off and install the recovery files and i have to say it works very very well very easy to understand
Thanks for the info about rooting the rom. I think i understand now
so can i install any rom now as i updated to the offical gingerbread ruu when it came out ?
If so can you recommend a good gingerbread rom with a newish sense on ?

rosscobley said:
yes i used the revolutionary way to s-off and install the recovery files and i have to say it works very very well very easy to understand
Thanks for the info about rooting the rom. I think i understand now
so can i install any rom now as i updated to the offical gingerbread ruu when it came out ?
If so can you recommend a good gingerbread rom with a newish sense on ?
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After you run the revolutionary process successful, flash a custom recovery with fastboot (how to use fastboot -> see my sig). I recommend 4ext or rmd. Now boot into recovery, make a full wipe and flash any rom you want (save important first). Just follow the given instructions in the corresponding thread.
For the sense rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=809328

thanks guys. I think im going to give the AceSMod007-Lite (Sense2.1+3.0 GB ) a go as a lot of people recommend it. 1 quick question.
Can i install this rom even though i installed the offical RUU Gingerbread update and s-off'ed using revolutionary??
Thanks Guys

sorry one more question.
I did a backup of my rom via recovery. If i dont like the new Rom can i just restore to my standard rom via retore in recovery mode?

Yes, you can. Just wipe everything and restore. If you cannot to this, a backup would be senseless, don't you think?
Swyped from Oxygen with Transparent XDA App

Thank you soooooooo much. I just flashed the rom and eveything is working perfect
my phone now shows that i have :
885 MB on Ext Partition
34.27 MB on /data
3.97 MB on /System
Does that sound right?

Looks fine.
Swyped from Oxygen with Transparent XDA App

S-Off / Partition Ext SD Etc

Hey Guys,
Longtime no see.
Last Android I ran was a nook color that I flashed with gingerbread and that was a whole other kettle of fish.
I was donated a HTC Desire GSM and couldn't help myself and rooted it with unrevoked.
Then I updated the rom to Nikez Lentes ICS rom and I am very happy with it.
Now, I installed CWM and when it flashes it says that it is V5.0.2 but when I boot into recovery it is actually V2.5.0.
After a bit of reading I see that the author of the ROM and others and now using 4EXT Recovery so I bought that and went to give it a go but the S-ON is stopping it ( I booted into recovery and indeed it is S-ON currently ).
So reading up on how to turn ON to OFF I see unrevoked and alpharev have a solution for windows and linux only. ( I have VM windows and a raspberry pi linux ( but i assume the pi would be too underpowered to do this update))
I have read the wiki and read on the FAQ on this site that if you are not running the stock HTC rom that there could be an issue, is that correct ?
After all this, I am really just trying to make a Ext-SD partition on my SD card, cause the rom is like 120mb of the 140mb internal partition and I can't install enough apps to be happy.. lol.
I have the CWR image of V5.0.2 but am not sure really how to update it ( V2.5 is green text and V5.0 is blue so im sure I have the older version )
Or im happy to use 4EXT for my rom needs, but I need to change my S-ON to OFF to be able to flash the recovery and partition it that way.
If anyone can help that would be great, the whole setup has been rather painless and i'd like to keep it that way, I need the phone to work, but I would like to install more apps on the phone. The ROM also has a script built in so that is not the problem, just making a partition on the SD card really is what I need right now.
Thanks,
Steve

would it be because im currently S-OFF that I can't flash recovery above V2.5.0 or install 4EXT Recovery ?

Are you SON or SOFF ? Write down what your bootloader says.
1. Alpharev quote
Requirements:
The only requirement right now is that the ROM you're running is rooted.
As techniques such as 'data2ext' have been popping up, these might disturb our finely-tuned flashing process.
Please revert to a rooted stock ROM if possible. Your /data partition is used for temporary storage of important files.
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I dont know whether it will work with ICS though. I wouldnt try it since this is a bootloader mod. Maybe best to go stock rooted rom before running alpharev.
Revolutionary is the other option for getting soff.

I am S-ON,
I ran unrevoked to root my phone, I want to make it S-OFF now.
I am asking how I can do it with my ICS rom and I don't want any issues, but I want to be able to make a SD-EXT partition to run apps2sd.
Steve

steveb_123 said:
I am S-ON,
I ran unrevoked to root my phone, I want to make it S-OFF now.
I am asking how I can do it with my ICS rom and I don't want any issues, but I want to be able to make a SD-EXT partition to run apps2sd.
Steve
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Read my post. Best to go to a stock rooted rom before running alpharev. Thereafter flash 4ext. Partition your sdcard with 4ext. Flash rom of your choice.

Can I ask why it is better to go to a stock rooted rom ?
Installing the stock rom, and stock radio, to then run alpharev, to then root, to then install 4ext, sounds like a lot of work just to unlock the S-ON.

That is alpharev requirement. Read my first post.
Link for rooted stock romlink

Where does it say you need to run a stock rooted rom ?
http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/revolutionary
the stock rooted rom that is U (updated) seems to be pulled and this guy has a URL at the top saying he has pulled the rom due to internal XDA fights.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1151765

My suggestion is to run 2.3 ruu from htc dev and then use revolutionary, two flies in one hit, s-off and custom recovery, and then flashing su over recovery. Though you'll get cwm recovery after first boot you'll be able to flash 4ext.
Sent from my GT-P3100 using Flashes and Thunders

Thanks for that nloooo,
I downloaded, unrar'd and unzipped the folder and can see the 2.3 RUU exe there, so I just run that in a windows machine ?
then rev, then reflash you are suggesting ?
is it worth trying revolutionary without returning to stock RUU and if it doesn't work, then installing the 2.3 RUU ?

It alk depends on hboit version your phone has. If it is 0.93 or 1.02 than it should work no matter which rom you have. I'm suggesting 2.3 ruu cause you'll get 1.02 hboot and you're good to go.
Sent from my GT-P3100 using Flashes and Thunders

My hboot is 0.93.
If 0.93 + revolutionary could work, I would prefer to do it that way because I am very green playing with android (mostly just use non-jailbroken apple gear) But I am loving the desire + ICS.
Thank you handy and nlooo for replying.

NLoooo should I be ok to try revolutionary without returning to stock rooted rom ?

steveb_123 said:
NLoooo should I be ok to try revolutionary without returning to stock rooted rom ?
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You can always try, if it doesn't work you won't have any problems phone will work the same.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Flashes and Thunders

Thanks nlooo, you've been a huge help

[Q] Need Advice - Stock Desire Unrooted

Ok, I've got a stock Desire (with Three UK) unrooted and I was contemplating on flashing maybe an ICS/JB ROM.
But, I wanted some guidance on what would be the best way to start rooting, etc and any prtions that I need to be wary off.
I'm aware that the Desire does not have a lot of internal memory & did read a few threads on ways the internal storage can be optimised, but am still a little unclear.
I've already read about the unrevoked root process & have downloaded the necessary files. Also, have read on updating the modified USB driver, before rooting through Windows.
Some Guidance would be great ..

If your hboot is 0. 93 or 1. 02 Go to revolutionary.io for one stop solution for rooting/soff.

So, what would be the sequence I need to follow? Would the below sequence be the way to go about?
1. S-Off & Root: I have downloaded the unRevoked Root tool & I believe that it'll also offer S-OFF (Read the guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788044)
2. Before running the unRevoked Root Process, I need to update the Windows HBOOT drivers
3. I believe that the Desire has an internal memory (quite a small one) and my Desire also has an external SD card. I've read a few posts about re-partitioning the internal memory so that there's just enough space for a new ICS/JB Custom ROM, and more space for internal storage. But, I need more simpler info. here.
4. Do I have to update the radio as my Desire still have the 2/3 year old one??
5. Finally, I know how to flash a custom ROM, as I've done it several times on my other phone, Desire HD. I gained root & s-off on the DHD using the AAHK hit.

Unrevoked doesn't s-off. What's your hboot version?
To partition your sd-card properly, use 4ext recovery.

abaaaabbbb63 said:
Unrevoked doesn't s-off. What's your hboot version?
To partition your sd-card properly, use 4ext recovery.
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I don't have the phone right now with me as my sister is using it. I can check the HBOOT once I get the phone in a couple of hours.
I've just created a CD disk of GParted (Using ISO) and was planning to use that to create the partitions.
Where can I check for the latest radio for the phone..?
EDIT: Planning to follow this guide, step by step ..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016084
Is it too old a guide a to follow, and will my HBOOT version determine the route that I'd need to take?

Have you tried going to recoverympde
Sent from my HTC Desire using xda app-developers app

with ur phone tured off hold volume down + power to enter bootloader and it will say what radio u have.
download the latest radio here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=687464
Sent from my HTC Desire

jmcclue said:
with ur phone tured off hold volume down + power to enter bootloader and it will say what radio u have.
download the latest radio here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=687464
Sent from my HTC Desire
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I will get the HBOOT version once I get the Phone in a couple of hours.
Other Info I managed to get from my sister over the phone:
Android: 2.2.2
Baseband: 32.48.00.32U_5.11.05.14
Kernel: 2.6.32.15
Build Number: 2.29.771.3CL345089
Software Number: 2.29.771.3
So, I see that there's a newer radio (5.17.05.23) .. Should I go ahead and Flash it? Will it Offer any improvements? Also, I'm in the UK with Three Mobile, does that matter?? i.e is the radio location specific??

na, the radio is the same for all. most devs roms these days say that u must have latest radio so ya mite aswell flash it. the best way to flash it is using fastboot commands, u can look at the guide in my sig and learn about that or if u have the older version of Clockworkmod Recovery (2.5.0.7) installed u cant just flash it like a normal zip file.
Sent from my HTC Desire

Ok, will flash the latest radio through Fastboot ..
So, the Desire Upgrade project commences tonight
ROOT, S-OFF, RECOVERY, GPARTED PARTITION, RADIO, and finally, JB ROM. Can't wait ..
EDIT: Any recommendations on a Stable JB ROM?
I'm looking at maybe the Evervolv or the MIUI or the CM10 4.1.2 one .. Some suggestions / feedback would help ..

dg170775 said:
Ok, will flash the latest radio through Fastboot ..
So, the Desire Upgrade project commences tonight
ROOT, S-OFF, RECOVERY, GPARTED PARTITION, RADIO, and finally, JB ROM. Can't wait ..
EDIT: Any recommendations on a Stable JB ROM?
I'm looking at maybe the Evervolv or the MIUI one .. Some suggestions / feedback would help ..
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no such thing yet as stable JB, but i would say try something stable for a while and get used to being s-off & rooted coz JB isnt stable and will probably end up causing u more problems than u need.
Sent from my HTC Desire

How about this ICS ROM?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1355660
Reviews seem pretty strong.. and most of the features (at least ones I need) seem to be working..

dg170775 said:
How about this ICS ROM?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1355660
Reviews seem pretty strong.. and most of the features (at least ones I need) seem to be working..
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It says "beta" for a reason...

Ok, Im' stuck right now.
I tried to root using UnRevoked 3.32 and it failed gaining root, with a message that maybe a newer firmware.
I then tried revolutionary.io one and it successfully managed to S-OFF & installed CWM recovery 4.x.x . Then I move the Superuser-3.0.7-efgh-signed.zip to the SD card to flash from recovery, to gain root.
But, when I get into CWM recovery, I see all the options but when I select any option all I see is the splash screen with 'revolutionary'. When I hit the power button I am returned to the menu. Only a battery pull gets me out
Need help now as I have S-OFF and No Root. By the way, I also tried another guide to 'root branded devices' and have converted my SD card to a Gold Card successfully. But, the guide doesn't explain how I can gain root after that ..

dg170775 said:
But, when I get into CWM recovery, I see all the options but when I select any option all I see is the splash screen with 'revolutionary'. When I hit the power button I am returned to the menu. Only a battery pull gets me out
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Are you pressing the trackball to select options within recovery? (Eventually I would recommend switching to 4ext touch recovery, much better and more intuitive)
You only need to flash the zip to root your current Rom, and install root apps like titanium to backup apps and data.
If you have nothing to backup you can already full wipe and install a custom Rom of your choice, because they will come pre-rooted

In terms of getting some much needed memory back what worked for me on my old Desire was to partition my SDcard and install S2e. This was on the CM7 rom but you get the idea...

If you say JB, there will be no recommendation.
If you say otherwise, a lots of options will be there.
You are using froyo. Why don't you go for GB? There are a lots of good ROMs out there.