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[Q] thinking of switching

just wanted to get some opinions. i have a droid x currently. its rooted and i don't have any problems installing custom roms for it. the problem i have is i get bored quick like most of us do and when i go to switch roms, maybe 1 out of 5 times i end up with a brick that i have to flash. its getting a little old. i'm guessing this is because the x isn't completely broken into like the incredible is. my question is, does anyone know of any advantages of the inc over the x. other than screen size and hd video capabilities on the x thats really all i know of that is actually better... any help would be great. thanks!
fyi: i put it this question in the development area because the majority of people in this section know more than the average people just looking in the general sections...

DInc gets HD video record now too, after 2.2 came out.
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For me the biggest benefit is the 3.7inch display. The 4.3 is a little too big for me.
For the most part, the speeds and specs are the same. My co-worker has a X and I never really liked it. Not to mention I have a general hate towards Motorola.
The incredible has quite a few ROMs, however I have had HTC phones in the past with many more ROMs available.
I think the incredible is still a player, but with CES coming out next week, it may be a good idea to wait.

really? didn't know that. well, thats a biggie, cause i love that capability.

Dinc HD or thunderbolt or whatever there gonna call it
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Thunderbolt. LTE phone with front facing camera. Rumored $150 selling price when it comes out
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I love the ROMS available for the Inc but I do kind of miss the speed of my old Fascinate. It had a perfect 4" (nice medium between 3.7" and 4.3"!) Led screen. Just could mod it that much and I hated that!
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The dinc is running htc sense which is wayyy better than the xs motoblur.. Absolutey terrible.. And it is way better to hack
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joe3681 said:
Thunderbolt. LTE phone with front facing camera. Rumored $150 selling price when it comes out
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Seriously? $150? Why the price drop?

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joe3681 said:
Thunderbolt. LTE phone with front facing camera. Rumored $150 selling price when it comes out
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Crystal ball says $150 phone on launch may be mid range.

Wait for a tegra dual core. Lightning bolt seems like it will be dated not long after launch.

I just find myself becoming an HTC fanboy. I had an Eris that I absolutely loved, and when my daughter threw it in the toilet (It still works btw, just have to replace digitizer), I got the Incredible. I just think they make quality products, the developers are creative and motivated, and you can get them free now. What's not to love? The only thing I would suggest is that if you get one, replace the SD card before you root and flash recovery. A lot of the EVO roms (and some AOSP if I'm not mistaken) won't take advantage of internal memory. It's just easier to avoid the PITA of having 1 gig free after recovery. I learned the hard way.
Also, check out dougpiston.com for a quick and easy one stop resource for rooting/recovery/radio files and instructions.
I hope I'm not violating any policy by posting another site. Cheers! Good luck with whatever you end up getting.

brandon2x said:
just wanted to get some opinions. i have a droid x currently. its rooted and i don't have any problems installing custom roms for it. the problem i have is i get bored quick like most of us do and when i go to switch roms, maybe 1 out of 5 times i end up with a brick that i have to flash. its getting a little old. i'm guessing this is because the x isn't completely broken into like the incredible is. my question is, does anyone know of any advantages of the inc over the x. other than screen size and hd video capabilities on the x thats really all i know of that is actually better... any help would be great. thanks!
fyi: i put it this question in the development area because the majority of people in this section know more than the average people just looking in the general sections...
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The dinc has 8gb internal storage and and tfcard slot, where the dx only has the tf.
The dinc has full compatibility with rom manager, without giving you that terrible 4 option recovery that overwrites the bootloader.
I have never seen amazing linpack scores from the dx, usually around 20-30 mflops, but I have been able to get around 50 on the latest gingerbread roms on my dinc.
The optical trackpad is a nice feature to have, especially for some games, etc. It also makes text selection a lot more precise, if you prefer aosp to blurred roms, (I think that you might lose the red cursor control, but don't quote me on it)
Other than that, I can't say as if there are any other differences really, but I would say that I'm very satisfied with my dinc, and I'm glad that I chose it over the X.

[Q] incredible hd is no longer incredilbe

I have just read the initial reviews of the new dinc.... No hdmi out? Really?!!
I dont think i could buy my next smartphone without this feature. The only upgrade i see that seems of any use to me is front facing camera. Htc i think you misssed bad on this one. I wonder how much of this falls on verizon? Either way i am dissapointed. Does anyone have any more info on what will be the new "evo" for verizon? I will have to wait for something better any ideas? I want hdmi out, ff camera, 1gh or better , hmm that is all. Oh one last thing i want to be able to use tv out with my wiimote and htc sense( a guy can dream right). In this world of such amazing technology we are all still at the hands of lawyers and greedy big red.

yeah I was really unimpressed as well. only thing I liked was the front cam.
Inc SR 3.5, 40GB, 1800mah
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I am actually kinda glad there aren't many things better about the incredible HD. One less phone i am tempted to waste an upgrade on.

If your looking for hardware, Droid Bionic or Moto Atrix. However I will be sticking with HTC forever. They make the best UI over both the other competitors (Moto/Samsung). And while I'm right with you on being disappointed, I will most likely be getting the Thunderbolt (IncHD)

I'm excited about upgrading this year and hoping that the Incredible HD will be the one I'll upgrade to. I just hope Otterbox makes a case for it <grin>.
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I wish that HDMI out was a dealbreaker, but it doesn't seem like it (to me). I understand that our phones are systematically replacing our laptops and such, which is scary, but within that sentence is the word phone and that happens to be its main function after all, lol.
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I am le sad
The "Incredible HD," now known as the Thunderbolt, ended up not even being HD (1280x720 or higher). The Bionic, with 960x540, is the highest resolution display coming for the foreseeable future, if you don't count the iPhone 4's 960x640 screen.
I am disappointed with how "HD" doesn't mean anything anymore.

I thought that HDMI was a deal breaker for me too, but I've looked at the HTC DNLA adapter that they make, and I don't think it is anymore. If I can wirelessly stream my 720p content to my TV with that adapter than I am pretty happy. Also the 2nd Gen Snapdragon is a pretty good step up from the inc.
Overall this is the right phone for Verizon to replace the Incredible with at the right time. People joining VZW and people coming off a 2 year contact this is a very attractive phone, but since most of us are in a 2 year contact. We all have almost a year left on it and with VZW changes to NE2 coming this is not the year to make us feel out dated with our Incredible, so really next year is the year to blow our Originial Incredible's SPECs outta the water.
Also if your itching to see how the HTC Thunderbolt feels, just install a custom Z rom, and you'll get a good feel for the new sense. I can't wait for a frankenrom to be made from Thunderbolt's framework, if its possible, that rom will fly.

axemanmike said:
I have just read the initial reviews of the new dinc.... No hdmi out? Really?!!
I dont think i could buy my next smartphone without this feature. The only upgrade i see that seems of any use to me is front facing camera. Htc i think you misssed bad on this one. I wonder how much of this falls on verizon? Either way i am dissapointed. Does anyone have any more info on what will be the new "evo" for verizon? I will have to wait for something better any ideas? I want hdmi out, ff camera, 1gh or better , hmm that is all. Oh one last thing i want to be able to use tv out with my wiimote and htc sense( a guy can dream right). In this world of such amazing technology we are all still at the hands of lawyers and greedy big red.
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The thunderbolt will have a front camera, and a 2nd gen 1GHz SnapDragon, which will obviously be able to be overclocked, how high, we don't know yet. So the only thing missing will be HDMI out. But with wireless HDMI breaking through, there may be a way to do it wirelessly by the end of this year.
ThugEsquire said:
The "Incredible HD," now known as the Thunderbolt, ended up not even being HD (1280x720 or higher). The Bionic, with 960x540, is the highest resolution display coming for the foreseeable future, if you don't count the iPhone 4's 960x640 screen.
I am disappointed with how "HD" doesn't mean anything anymore.
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The name HD is nowhere in the name for the phone. It was referred to as the Mecha (internal name) and Thunderbolt (official name). Incredible HD was just a name given to it by us "outsiders".

Although it does follow the ADR6300 (Incredible) and ADR3400 for the Thunderbolt

Worth getting an incredible now, or waiting for Inc 2?

So I want a new phone.
I found one reseller near me that has 1 incredible in stock. Apprently it's the last one in the entire northeast. I like the incredible, I like the screen, like the size, don't like battery life, don't like no keyboard.
The Inc 2 (Vivo) is coming out soon. The only differences are a 4" screen (dislike, I hate big screen phones), 256 more RAM (no difference, Dinc is fas enough for me), and POSSIBLY better battery life (which would be a plus), don't like no keyboard. Inc2 will also have Wireless charging, but I doubt it will be any good, or portable
Another plus for the Dinc is that it's a "solved problem, root exists, it's been around for a while, there is tons of informaiotn on how to solve practically every concievable issue with the phone. Inc2 will be starting fresh, so ther's waiting for root, waiting for common issues to be sorted out, etc.
So which should I get? I hate the whole "whatever I pick, I'm stuck for 2 years" BS.

Personally I like the Incredible better then the Inc 2. I agree the big screen phones don't look good and not to mention require a man-purse to carry. Also agree that the inc has a huge tech base. All kinds of ROMs and themes. Another deal breaker for the inc2 is the screen is SLCD. I prefer AMOLED on my Dinc. Looks way cleaner and crisper.
My. 02
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Incredibles have SLCD now...
I've had an incredible since the day it came out. (4/29/10)
Its rock solid. With tweaking i can make it two days of mild to moderate use.
But if you want to go for a new phone, go for it. The incredible 2 will have 2 cameras, and a second gen processor. However, it looks plasticky, and its resolution is no better than the incredibles, so the screen, stretched out to 4 inches, will look lower quality. Don't expect great battery life either.
You might be wise to take a look at some of the other Verizon phones, like the thunderbolt, the droid bionic, etc...

The thuderbolt is even bigger than the Inc2. 4.3" is just too big for a handheld device. I have no desire to carry around a dinner plate as my phone. On paper the Shift is the best (3.8" with keyboard) bt the build quality and hardware design are quite frankly crap. Slider sucks, terrible button placement, and a crappy screen.
Anyway, turns out the incredible that store thought they had in stock, they didn't. But Wirefly says they still have some for sale (for free, too boot, since this is a new Verizon account for me) so I'll order that tonight.
Since I'm getting the phone for free, think it's worth spending the $70 for the year long proteciton plan? I'm a little concerned that they don't cover "negligent loss", although I suppose if I do lose it I could always just tell them someone broke into my car and took it.
Let me take this chance to also say you guys are a prety awesome community, I've been frustrted and posted a bunch of whiny little ***** comments, and people still help me. You guys rule

Just ordered in an Incredible 1. Was in the same boat as you and decided that I didn't need all the extras that the 2 had to offer. Seriously, at some point, it is just more gadget that I am going to use (two cameras?).
Best protection you can buy, IMHO, is a good case (I prefer Otterbox, but there are a lot of good options). The deductable on some of those insurance plans will wipe out any value the Incredible may have had anyway.

i think its a dillema
in one think, this incredible allready 1 year old, so it's basically left in feature n tech
more ram I think more great
but if you get a reasonable price for this incredible why not ?
I'm also still use my incredible as my multimedia phone, i love it very much.

If you really want a keyboard, wait for the Merge.
I thought you still had some time left to get a 1 year contract.
Why not buy a used Inc or "like new but never used"? I bought mine on evilbay that way, and it was new, just had been activated and shut off.
You could actually make $ this way. Get a new phone, like the 'bolt, or even the Inc 2, at the contract price, sell it for a good profit, and then buy the Inc on eBay for much less than the new gen phones go for. Plenty of newish Incs to be had.

CJeep said:
If you really want a keyboard, wait for the Merge.
I thought you still had some time left to get a 1 year contract.
Why not buy a used Inc or "like new but never used"? I bought mine on evilbay that way, and it was new, just had been activated and shut off.
You could actually make $ this way. Get a new phone, like the 'bolt, or even the Inc 2, at the contract price, sell it for a good profit, and then buy the Inc on eBay for much less than the new gen phones go for. Plenty of newish Incs to be had.
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Sounds like the best idea. If you reread your OP, everything points to the incredible anyway.
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emkorial said:
So I want a new phone.
I found one reseller near me that has 1 incredible in stock. Apprently it's the last one in the entire northeast. I like the incredible, I like the screen, like the size, don't like battery life, don't like no keyboard.
The Inc 2 (Vivo) is coming out soon. The only differences are a 4" screen (dislike, I hate big screen phones), 256 more RAM (no difference, Dinc is fas enough for me), and POSSIBLY better battery life (which would be a plus), don't like no keyboard. Inc2 will also have Wireless charging, but I doubt it will be any good, or portable
Another plus for the Dinc is that it's a "solved problem, root exists, it's been around for a while, there is tons of informaiotn on how to solve practically every concievable issue with the phone. Inc2 will be starting fresh, so ther's waiting for root, waiting for common issues to be sorted out, etc.
So which should I get? I hate the whole "whatever I pick, I'm stuck for 2 years" BS.
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Honestly for you then I think you just answered your own question. Myself I think 3.7 is a bit too small. I'd like between 4 and 4.3. So the inc 2 will be mine one day...

I just got a Thunderbolt coming from an Incredible (coming from a Fascinate). I don't think say that you can't go wrong with the Incredible. It is solid in almost all areas. I used Juice Defender and then used Green Power while using a stock EVO battery and I didn't have any isssues with battery life. The Incredible has basically the same processor and is very snappy even when compared to any of the newest phones. I bought the Thunderbolt for the 4G speed and the front facing camera. I hardly use the front camera and the 4G speed is fast but I never have a strong signal to really take advantage of it. I use wifi 90% when I need internet so 3g on the Incredible is hardly noticed (3g isn't that bad for most things anyway) The larger screen is really nice and, to the contrary of what others say, doesn't require a man purse- fits in my pocket fine without a problem. However, in sum, I can honestly say that upgrading to a Thunderbolt isn't all that I thought it would be and I would be just fine with the Incredible.

I don't know why you would buy old technology at this point - the incredible is almost a year old. After having the incredible and using it more and more for browsing the net, I wish I had a little bit bigger screen. Maybe not the size of the Thunderbolt but tthe incredible 2 size would be perfect. Also, I upgraded to the extended battery on my incredible because the battery life is unbearable IMO even with root and custom roms. I haven't looked but I'd hope the Incredible 2 will have better battery life.

Finally found someone who had one in stock, wirefly.com had them, and it was free with a new line of service, which I needed (I'm coming from Sprint). So I sprung for the year long protection plan. Phone should be here Wed or Thu. I got 2 weeks to back out if something comes up.

meh... Incredible 2.

Id would go for the Incredible 2. It has a superior processor and more ram. Also bigger screens are not that cumbersome. If my friend who is 4'9" 90lbs and always wears tight pants with small pockets can lug around his Galaxy S all day I don't think its a problem. Also the DInc is being discontinued, after the gingerbread ota don't count on it getting newer versions of android except through custom roms, which will also die down when the devs get their upgrades. Not to mention all the other under the hood things HTC may have overhauled such as the motherbaord.

The 2 is a world phone you might want to get the thunderbolt that has the new sense UI and it'll get 2.3 update before the incredible. I'm on my incredible bow and love it but figure I would give you q little info if your planning on getting a new phone.
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I just got my Inc about a month ago so I'm stuck with it for a while, so far it's worth it to me, it gets the job done.

Incredible 2
I'd wait for the inc2 because of the front facing camera 768mb ram newer 1ghz snapdragon processor and 4 inch display which is a perfect size not to big or small and because it is a world phone and because it will get more updates than the original incredible THE INCREDIBLE 2 might even get the rumored Android Ice Cream Sandwhich which the incredible one will not get and the incredible one might not even get sense 2.0

cvbcbcmv said:
just get the incredible and love it. I have been loving mine. The keyboard is great and with a simple default profile on juice defender, a task killer, and a bump charge from time to time it is fine
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Nnnnnoooooooo task killer....noooo...nnoooooo

I bought my DInc off of CL for 200 back in December, so Im not stuck on a stupid Verizon contract. If you dont care about those things, then wait for a DInc2. My only fear about DInc2 and the Thunderbolt is that it may be severely locked down, which could hamper ROM development.

Thy have their pros and cons but if it is between the Incredible and Incredible 2 I say stick with the original. I2 has some cool extra's (2 camera's) but because the screen is larger and the resolution isn't any higher it won't look as sharp as D1.
If you want a newer phone I suggest the Thunderbolt or the Droid Bionic (that thing looks like it could be awesome!) but if you are fine with the incredible for a cheaper price it is a wise choice.

[Q] swap for a droid x2?

I know it is still early in the dinc2 development stages but things are not looking promising. My 14 day Verizon return is creeping up on me.
Should I stick with the dinc2 or trade it in for something else?
The main contender at the moment is the droid x2. From what I have read so far the boot loader is locked. (See: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1089067). The dual cores, qHD screen and large amount of support for the previous generation are all solid selling points for me.
I have also considered the thunderbolt but have decided against it. There's no LTE in my area yet, the battery life is abysmal, and it is a massive phone.
I am open to other suggestions I have not mentioned as well.
TL;DR: Swap my dinc2 for a droid x2 (or other non-thunderbolt verizon phone)?

I have a dx2 and im thinking of trading it for something else, not sure what i want tho
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No way would i get an x, x2, or any other moto. D2 was my last mistake.
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Despite being dual-core with qHD it's running a weird resolution
Motoblur is so eh to me, everytime I try it in the store it's really slow
The design of the phone is just ugly to me with the really square look and physical buttons

I just received a Droid X2 today and I must say it is the clunkiest phone I have ever used. I cannot believe how much it locks up and how choppy everything is. My Fascinate blows it away.

I wish we had a better root scene over here. The only reason I'm still considering a thunderbolt is because of this. Where is the incredible s in terms of perm root?

dinc 2 is a great phone, however I've also been thinking about trading to the x2 just for the tegra 2 processor and future gingerbread update. that will be a wonderful phone to work with in the future. i'd love to trade someone my dinc 2 for an x2 but i doubt i'll get that lucky..

cloiselle said:
dinc 2 is a great phone, however I've also been thinking about trading to the x2 just for the tegra 2 processor and future gingerbread update. that will be a wonderful phone to work with in the future. i'd love to trade someone my dinc 2 for an x2 but i doubt i'll get that lucky..
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Why don't you think dinc2 will get Gingerbread? Ill bet it does.
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Why don't you think dinc2 will get Gingerbread? Ill bet it does.
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I implied the combination of Tegra 2 AND Gingerbread, not just the Snapdragon and gingerbread combo of the INC2. T2 / 2.3 will be pretty rad.

In light of this release by HTC: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098489 I have decided to stick with the incredible 2.
It is difficult to see into the future where dual core phones will actually be utilized to their full potential. I just don't see that happening for a while.
The battery life and aesthetics are too appealing to make the switch.

Its really that difficult when no one knows how android will take out of there bag

Nitro a lot of what makes the Fascinate so good is what devs like you corrected in major flaws from Samsung and Verizon.
Can't wait to see permanent root on the DInc2, to see what the dev community can do with this powerhouse.
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I just received a Droid X2 today and I must say it is the clunkiest phone I have ever used. I cannot believe how much it locks up and how choppy everything is. My Fascinate blows it away.
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for a solid week, I was debating between buying a DInc2 or waiting for the Droid X2 to come out. The day the X2 released, I was at my local retailer waiting to buy one and turned out to be the first in my state to purchase one. I set it up, activated it, took it home and played with it for a good 2 hours... then i brought it back to the store and returned it for a DInc2. reason? HTC Sense vs Moto Blur. Blur is horrible in my opinion. its clunky, utilitarian, lacks the visual aesthetics, ease of use, and functionality of HTC sense. syncing facebook contacts was a nightmare on Blur. Sense practically synced for me with barely any user input.
The fit and finish of the Incredible 2 is miles ahead of the bulky clunky case of the X2, and despite the bigger screen, the Inc2's display does not disappoint in any way.
While the X2 has superior hardware, (dual core processor, bigger screen), I would compare it to running Windows XP Home on an Alienware computer. nothing but wasted potential.
I say, unequivocally, just wait until these developers find a way to perm root the Incredible 2, or until HTC does away with their locked bootloaders, and you'll have everything you want in a phone and more.

Return it and wait for the Bionic.

I just got my dx2 a few days ago and I'm happy. Of course blur sucks and slows the phone down to a crawl. I've been reading this is a huge problem but seems to be related to blur. I installed Launcher Pro and for some unknown reason, my phone speed/responsiveness has increased drastically. It no longer freezes or hangs. With that said, here are the pro's/cons in my opinion.
Pros: New screen is awesome, very fast after I installed launcher pro and if the DX2 gets half the attention the DX did, there will be some pretty awesome roms coming out pretty soon.
Cons: I've heard rumors the tegra 2 processor does not play well with 4G LTE and has some issues (but what phone doesn't have any issues. That's why I think they switched to the OMAP4)... No 4G LTE and of coarse the locked bootloader (but the DX got around that pretty good).
In my opinion, the speed, screen and potential for custom ROMS were the selling point.

The low RAM on the X2 is the bottleneck from hell. After blur and the GPU, the RAM available to the phone for use is comparable to the D1. You literally can't multitask on it. I had an X2 and returned it for an Incredible (I wasn't eligible for a 3g phone because it was an early early upgrade).
Software matters a lot and people tend to forget this. Look how much more lightweight Android is than PC Windows. Sometimes a phone with less powerful specs is still faster because of the software. Blur is a resource hog.

Isn't there a perm-root for the X2, you could just install a custom ROM that gives you stock Android.

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The low RAM on the X2 is the bottleneck from hell. After blur and the GPU, the RAM available to the phone for use is comparable to the D1. You literally can't multitask on it. I had an X2 and returned it for an Incredible (I wasn't eligible for a 3g phone because it was an early early upgrade).
Software matters a lot and people tend to forget this. Look how much more lightweight Android is than PC Windows. Sometimes a phone with less powerful specs is still faster because of the software. Blur is a resource hog.
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That's what I LOVE about my inc2, always above 200mb free if not 250-300.

Deciding on getting Samsung GS2

Hi, i have been an HD2 user for two years now... replaced it twice and all with hardware isues. And have been constantly flashing new Roms... but now, again, my HD2 is giving up on me (hardware wise). And I am due for another upgrade with Tmo anyways. So here is my question...
I have heard a lot of awesome things about the GS2, and specifically liked the new white one. And the Specs are NICE... so I almost decided on getting it. BUT, i found out about the new HTC One S coming out this Spring...
Now, I have looked at both specs, pros and cons... and still undecided on whether to wait for the One S or just get me the GS2... I've notice the following Pros and Cons:
Only one Pros (which is pretty big for me)
GS2 - SD Card = YES : One S - SD Card = none
and three Pros for One S (i'm not sure if this will make it or break it for me)
GS2 - htc sense 4.0 = NONE : One S - Yes
GS2 - Android Ginger Bread = waiting for upgrade : One S - Installed
GS2 - Beats Audio = NONE : One S = Installed
and I've noticed everything else is pretty much the same....
If anyone has any input... THAT WILL BE AWESOME! and will help tremendously in my decision.
As of now, my current phone, HD2 is on and off.... its the "touch screen" problem. I can maybe only use my phone properly 40% of the time... and I need a phone asap....
Thanks again everyone!

I've never seen that new HTC, but I replaced my beloved, but broken, HD2 with the GS2 and other than being no match for the insanely bright HD2 LEDs as a flashlight, I like the GS2 better in every way. Simply a case of newer, better spec hardware. Bigger, better screen, dual-core, better camera, USB hosting, HDMI, etc. The GS2 is only slightly larger in width and height, but is a fair amount thinner and lighter. I'm also getting much better battery life. Although I liked Sense just fine, I don't miss it at all. Personally, I would never buy a phone without an SD slot.

You want the SGII cause there are no cons. I can't stand sense or at first touch wiz. Now I can tolerate touch wiz more now. This thing flies 2x faster than your hd2 and has great battery life plus the HTC phone might come out in April maybe longer. If u wait that long might as well get the SGIII unlocked.
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Thanks!
Thank you guys...
no doubt, I am replacing my old broken and overly used HD2... (we had good times...) and just deciding on whether to get the new HTC ONE S or the SG2... and also, from experience, most of the newly released products comes with bugs that they have to fix over time or until the release a newer model of the same kind. so that kinda.... throws me off together with the "NO SD CARD" cons....
ok... so far 2-0 in favor of SG2...
and yea... i know waiting for the unsure is not my thing.... Unsure meaning, not knowing how it would come... and unsure when it will actually be out...

please lets not forget HTC locks their toys up real tight...
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Locked bootloaders with HTC unlock sucks hard. SG2 is literally a few clicks through ODIN flash and you're ready to flash ROMs.
Better Battery Life
Hardware accelerated out of the box
Fast, I came from an EVO 3D which has dual cores, but this thing is faster.
Gorgeous Display that will stand against time
By the time the One S comes out, we should have ICS already which means development should be booming again.

I'M SOLD!
ok... now.... I think I'm decided...
Thanks for the input on Flashing because I do intend to play with my phone like I did my HD2... well.. if i feel like it or get bored. lol
uhmmm.... how about the AMAZE? any input on this phone?
you guys are awesome! thanks a bunch!

Shalomology said:
ok... now.... I think I'm decided...
Thanks for the input on Flashing because I do intend to play with my phone like I did my HD2... well.. if i feel like it or get bored. lol
uhmmm.... how about the AMAZE? any input on this phone?
you guys are awesome! thanks a bunch!
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You have the 14 day trial to try them both.
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It's just not the same with the amaze. Go to the store and play with them both. But it's better over here.
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Thank yoU! Thank yoU! Thank yoU!

The slightly,, and I mean slightly better camera on the amaze is not worth it. GS2 flowed better for me. Screen is a little bigger than the Amaze. Other specs similar but played with both and even all the Tmo Reps said to get the GS2. PLus its a Samsung, like it was mentioned,, doesnt take a master planning session to root.
I had a HD2, i applaud you for keeping it that long. Mine lasted for 8months and annoyed me so bad I went to a BlackBerry before going to a HTC G2 then to the GS2. Best decision i've made in 2012.

Go with the GS2. You won't regret it, this is simply the best phone I've personally ever owned(been through quite a few phones through out this past year trying to find one I liked the most without problems). It doesn't even have to think, it just does.
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