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Evo, Evo Shift, or wait for the dual cores?

After having a hero for over a year it is now time for it to retire. After reading about several revisions to hboot, hardware, and software there seems to be a bit of confusion (for me).
I'm asking for your input. Should I just jump in and get an Evo or wait until CES and see what's coming down the road?
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Depends, but it was around middle of January that speculation started for the Evo and we heard about the mysterious A9292 Supersonic, but not much else was known about it. Still, I don't expect Sprint to come out with a device that's significantly better than the Evo until June or later. Dual core smartphones haven't really been released in any country. Snapdragon devices were released around November 2009. You can bet that that duallies will come out in Europe and Asia as a GSM phone at least 3-6 months before a manufacturer pushes out a CDMA device to the states.

I say wait for ces
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Wait and buy one outright if you can
misfit0313 said:
After having a hero for over a year it is now time for it to retire. After reading about several revisions to hboot, hardware, and software there seems to be a bit of confusion (for me).
I'm asking for your input. Should I just jump in and get an Evo or wait until CES and see what's coming down the road?
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The Hero is only good for a year?

The thing is, if you wait til CES then 6-9 months after that, there'll be something else better coming up and you'll want that. I say pick up the EVO now - there's still room to grow for the EVO with gingerbread, and there might not be a radical change in the smartphones that come out next year. 2010 was a pretty big year, all across the industry with Froyo, 4G, 4"+ screens, 1GHz processors, etc. Of course, every year something new comes out, but across the industry 2010 had so many changes I can't see them really topping that for 2011. Especially since we really need battery technology to catch up to handset technology at this point. My guess is that there will be something wildly innovative in 2011 (maybe we'll all be walking around with pads and bluetooths instead of smartphones). But that's just my guess.

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The Hero is only good for a year?
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The hero is still a good little phone and works great a year later. There's a premier upgrade available, burning a hole in my pocket.
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Pay in cash or buy on ebay, dual cores are going to come out sometime next year
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The hero is still a good little phone and works great a year later. There's a premier upgrade available, burning a hole in my pocket.
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Here's my thinking:
The EVO is not future proof but it's not that bad because of CM. It's biggest gaping bottleneck is the GPU and 3.0 looks like it's bringing full on HW acceleration, so it may or may not run on the EVO favorably. I wouldn't take the risk based off of my impression of the 3D gallery (which is HW accelerated and does not run 100% smoothly in the EVO). IMO you should pass on the EVO 4G.
The EVO Shift is a whole lot safer. The HW in it is (or at least should be) very, very similar in performance to the Nexus S, so that considered, I think it's safe to say that it'll run any App or Android version that you throw at it for at least a year - year and a half. Being a HTC product you'll also get a lot of community dev here on XDA and on other sites. I think if you want a new phone now, it's a safe phone to get. The only question mark is whether it has a FFC which may or may not be important to you (but with the inevitable drop of GTalk video chat, I think it should be).
Dual cores: if you want to wait for the latest and greatest be prepared to wait forever.

Award Tour said:
Here's my thinking:
The EVO is not future proof but it's not that bad because of CM. It's biggest gaping bottleneck is the GPU and 3.0 looks like it's bringing full on HW acceleration, so it may or may not run on the EVO favorably. I wouldn't take the risk based off of my impression of the 3D gallery (which is HW accelerated and does not run 100% smoothly in the EVO). IMO you should pass on the EVO 4G.
The EVO Shift is a whole lot safer. The HW in it is (or at least should be) very, very similar in performance to the Nexus S, so that considered, I think it's safe to say that it'll run any App or Android version that you throw at it for at least a year - year and a half. Being a HTC product you'll also get a lot of community dev here on XDA and on other sites. I think if you want a new phone now, it's a safe phone to get. The only question mark is whether it has a FFC which may or may not be important to you (but with the inevitable drop of GTalk video chat, I think it should be).
Dual cores: if you want to wait for the latest and greatest be prepared to wait forever.
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Pass on the Evo but go with the shift?? LMAO!!!! Now that is hilarious.

swaze said:
Pass on the Evo but go with the shift?? LMAO!!!! Now that is hilarious.
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Yup, the first gen Snapdragon is from 2009 and it's GPU is ancient by current standards -- for comparison even the original Droid's PoweVR SGX 530 GPU was better. The shift should have the smaller, more energy effecient second gen Snapdragon/Scorpion CPU and the newer Adreno GPU that is roughly 3-4 times better.
Also note how I said that the EVO was good but not guaranteed to be as future proof? I'd rather recommend the phone that is worth having in the long run.

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Yup, the first gen Snapdragon is from 2009 and it's GPU is ancient by current standards -- for comparison even the original Droid's PoweVR SGX 530 GPU was better. The shift should have the smaller, more energy effecient second gen Snapdragon/Scorpion CPU and the newer Adreno GPU that is roughly 3-4 times better.
Also note how I said that the EVO was good but not guaranteed to be as future proof? I'd rather recommend the phone that is worth having in the long run.
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Seeing as most people have a phone 1-2 yr tops, the EVO will be just a relevent after 2 years as it was when it was released. Will run great on gingerbread and honeycomb as it does today. Also the shift is not even released and will be outdated before it is. The next round of releases will be dual core and by the time they are ready to hit the streets, the shift will be history.

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Seeing as most people have a phone 1-2 yr tops, the EVO will be just a relevent after 2 years as it was when it was released. Will run great on gingerbread and honeycomb as it does today. Also the shift is not even released and will be outdated before it is. The next round of releases will be dual core and by the time they are ready to hit the streets, the shift will be history.
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We don't know how the EVO will run Honeycomb, if at all. Honeycomb looks like it's the first Android version to have full hardware acceleration (2.3 doesn't yet). My one and only observation is that the EVO can chug on the 3D gallery which is HW accelerated and for simple things too - like opening the menu. will that also be the case with Honeycomb? I don't know but should any new customer take the risk?
I originally got the EVO for two reasons: CM declared support and since the EVO had the same internals as the Nexus One I knew that it would at least run most of the newer Android stuff through the year. While not the same, the CPUs in the Hummingbird and second gen Qualcomm CPUs are very similar and the GPUs are pretty much on par in terms of performance. So my rational is: anything the Nexus S will run, the Shift will probably be able to run too. The same can not be said of the EVO.

Award Tour said:
We don't know how the EVO will run Honeycomb, if at all. Honeycomb looks like it's the first Android version to have full hardware acceleration (2.3 doesn't yet). My one and only observation is that the EVO can chug on the 3D gallery which is HW accelerated and for simple things too - like opening the menu. will that also be the case with Honeycomb? I don't know but should any new customer take the risk?
I originally got the EVO for two reasons: CM declared support and since the EVO had the same internals as the Nexus One I knew that it would at least run most of the newer Android stuff through the year. While not the same, the CPUs in the Hummingbird and second gen Qualcomm CPUs are very similar and the GPUs are pretty much on par in terms of performance. So my rational is: anything the Nexus S will run, the Shift will probably be able to run too. The same can not be said of the EVO.
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If you say so, running CM6 on mine and I have no chug while running the 3D gallery or any other app. So not sure what you mean.

swaze said:
If you say so, running CM6 on mine and I have no chug while running the 3D gallery or any other app. So not sure what you mean.
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Of course you don't. The EVO is the most perfect phone ever made, there will never be a more advance phone. Ever. I must have been dreaming when I bought my parents the Optimus S (which has the same GPU but runs at a lower resolution), played around with the 3D gallery app and saw that it was 60 FPS smooth while my EVO was running at under 30 FPS for certain actions. Yeah, that must of been it.
Look, I'm giving my recommendation. Live with it. Make you own and let the OP decide.

Award Tour said:
We don't know how the EVO will run Honeycomb, if at all. Honeycomb looks like it's the first Android version to have full hardware acceleration (2.3 doesn't yet). My one and only observation is that the EVO can chug on the 3D gallery which is HW accelerated and for simple things too - like opening the menu. will that also be the case with Honeycomb? I don't know but should any new customer take the risk?
I originally got the EVO for two reasons: CM declared support and since the EVO had the same internals as the Nexus One I knew that it would at least run most of the newer Android stuff through the year. While not the same, the CPUs in the Hummingbird and second gen Qualcomm CPUs are very similar and the GPUs are pretty much on par in terms of performance. So my rational is: anything the Nexus S will run, the Shift will probably be able to run too. The same can not be said of the EVO.
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I picked up the EVO for literally the exact same reasons. Everybody knew before the phone was released that it was running a QSD8650. Asus ran it in their EeePc middle of last year, and its been available to manufacturers since 2008...not exactly state of the art. Plus the adreno200 chip is terrible. I doubt anyone here bought the EVO thinking they were getting the top tier in cpu performance lol. Not trying to piss anyone off, but comeon the cpu in the EVO is halfassed compared to current OMAP, Hummingbird, or second gen snapdragons.
At this point honestly I would wait, not for dual core, but simply for Sprint to release something with a second gen processor. To my knowledge the LG Star is the only announced dual core phone at the moment. Its gonna be a bit before we see OEMs dropping dual core phones left and right.
Also the shift is not even released and will be outdated before it is. The next round of releases will be dual core and by the time they are ready to hit the streets, the shift will be history.
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How is the Shift gonna be outdated before its released? We dont even know whats in it...and by that logic, the EVO was outdated before it was released as well.

AdamHart612 said:
I picked up the EVO for literally the exact same reasons. Everybody knew before the phone was released that it was running a QSD8650. Asus ran it in their EeePc middle of last year, and its been available to manufacturers since 2008...not exactly state of the art. Plus the adreno200 chip is terrible. I doubt anyone here bought the EVO thinking they were getting the top tier in cpu performance lol. Not trying to piss anyone off, but comeon the cpu in the EVO is halfassed compared to current OMAP, Hummingbird, or second gen snapdragons.
At this point honestly I would wait, not for dual core, but simply for Sprint to release something with a second gen processor. To my knowledge the LG Star is the only announced dual core phone at the moment. Its gonna be a bit before we see OEMs dropping dual core phones left and right.
How is the Shift gonna be outdated before its released? We dont even know whats in it...and by that logic, the EVO was outdated before it was released as well.
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Actually we do know whats in it, its all over the web, and yes the EVO was outdated just as is every smartphone released at any point in time. Manufactures always have the next one lined up prior to releasing any phone.

I was in the same boat but upgraded to EVO almost 2 weeks ago. The way I look at it is, with annual upgrades, why not?

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I was in the same boat but upgraded to EVO almost 2 weeks ago. The way I look at it is, with annual upgrades, why not?
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The EVO is 6 months old and the Shift is set to be released in about 3 weeks, that's why. Just sayin'.

I say if you can get the optimus S with your premier upgrade for free. get it.....and fleabay it. I did that and made a cool $245. Pocket the money and wait till CES and at least see whats coming out, if nothing peaks your interest then fork in an extra $100 or so and buy a brand new EVO outright on ebay (EVO maybe even cheaper at that point...)
Upgrades arent all about getting a new phone then and there, sometimes you gotta just buy something to "use" up your upgrade and sell the phone that will bring you back the best return. That way your upgrade renews itself quicker and you made some $$$ on the side... my 2 cents if you want to put in a little work.

[Q] Jumping ship...replace Evo with Epic Touch?

Anyone else considering this switch? Or perhaps another switch (Photon?)?
I love the amount of development and support for the Evo, but I can only assume the Epic Touch will eventually receive it too.
Feel free to share thoughts and all that stuff!

No argument from me, getting ready to do the same. Going either SGS2 or Photon

alaman68 said:
No argument from me, getting ready to do the same. Going either SGS2 or Photon
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What do you think will be your deciding factor? Is there something/feature you prefer over one than the other?

I'm always weary about samsung and their support. But that's just my experience with the vibrant when I was on T-Mobile. They both seem like nice phones though. Personally I think I'm gonna stick with htc phones.
We're comin from a pure power source.

metalfan78 said:
I'm always weary about samsung and their support. But that's just my experience with the vibrant when I was on T-Mobile. They both seem like nice phones though. Personally I think I'm gonna stick with htc phones.
We're comin from a pure power source.
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I guess my hope there is reliability in developers. After rooting the Evo I think using a device without 'full access' would be frustrating.

Based on my Sammy experience in addition to my wife's Epic and friend's Epic, I'll probably not own a Samsung phone again for a very, very long time.

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What do you think will be your deciding factor? Is there something/feature you prefer over one than the other?
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I will wait and watch the development section and base my decision on that. Both are awesome phones, and can't go wrong with either really. Leaning towards sgs2 because of the screen right now.
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No questions asked....get the Galaxy S II. If you can't decide, trade it in, send it to me, say yours got stolen, replaced with insurance. Win-win situation.

I was considering this switch but I'm not sure the SGS2 has anything substantial to offer me for $200 and a 2 year contract extension.
According to pdadb.net comparison:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=2932&id2=3041&id3=2233
The only real advantage I can see is the processor. SGS2 has dual core 1200 MHz, EVO has single core 1000 MHz (but I have mine overclocked to 1200 MHz). I don't ever seem to be waiting on my EVO to finish tasks or feel it is too slow, so I'm not sure why a dual core processor is needed.
The SGS2 has a bigger screen, but still 480x800. I understand it is Super AM-OLED, vs the EVO 4G color transflective TFT, but I'm not sure that I care about that. I mostly use my phone indoors and have no problems with the dispaly.
It also comes with 16GB onboard, but I already have a 32GB uSD in my EVO.
Radio speeds are the same, EVDO-A and WiMAX.
Cameras are the same 8MP.
SGS2 does 1080p video out vs EVO 720p video out, but I almost never use the video out.
So unless I'm missing something, the SGS2 is not that big a difference for my $200 and 2 year extension.
Likewise the Moto Photon. Advantages, dual core 1000 MHz and 540 x 960 resolution. And GSM world phone possible. GSM is not needed for me either.
I think I'll hang on to my renewal discount and see what comes out in the next 6 months. Perhaps the Nexus Prime will make its way over to Sprint?

[Q] Is this phone worth it?

I'm thinking about picking one up at full retail price since I'm no where near qualifying for an upgrade. Do you guys think it's worth it? I wanted to be sure before I drop $570 (after taxes) for it.

Danstek said:
I'm thinking about picking one up at full retail price. Do you guys think it's worth it? I wanted to be sure before I drop $570 (after taxes) for it.
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No...not when the ice cream sandwich conference is next week.

No, not when they Exynos version has better performance

greengoldmello said:
No, not when they Exynos version has better performance
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and you are basing this on?

AllGamer said:
and you are basing this on?
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I owned the Sprint Gs2 for 3 weeks. Great performance, no stuttering/lag ANYWHERE unlike on this phone. No lag on home screen even when there is an intensive live wallpaper going on.

greengoldmello said:
I owned the Sprint Gs2 for 3 weeks. Great performance, no stuttering/lag ANYWHERE unlike on this phone. No lag on home screen even when there is an intensive live wallpaper going on.
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Ditto.
There was a noticeable slowdown once there was a live-wallpaper in the background.
I know this because I've personally used the European version of the GS2 and I can definitely tell that despite the higher clockspeeds, there is a slowdown and the occasional stutter. This was not present on the EU GS2 despite having things like live wallpapers.
It could be the case that there is no proper HW Acceleration going on here.

So there's a little lag every now and then? Man, that's disappointing since I figured Samsung would got optimizations down by now. They used the same Qualcomm chip in their hometown Korean Galaxy S II LTE. I guess I better hold off for the Nexus Prime, I just hope it has UMTS 850/1700/1900 all in one like the Tmobile GSII.

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So there's a little lag every now and then? Man, that's disappointing since I figured Samsung would got optimizations down by now. They used the same Qualcomm chip in their hometown Korean Galaxy S II LTE. I guess I better hold off for the Nexus Prime, I just hope it has UMTS 850/1700/1900 all in one like the Tmobile GSII.
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The nexus prime is suppose to be using a ti omap processor which is worst than qualcomm and exynos.
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I thought the rumors were the Nexus Prime having a 1.5ghz Exynos, with Verizon getting the TI OMAP version for LTE.

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The nexus prime is suppose to be using a ti omap processor which is worst than qualcomm and exynos.
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OMAP 4 is Cortex A9. TI usually has higher performing processors than qualcomm..

I think it's worth it. With Verizon most likely getting an exclusive on the Nexus for some time, the SGS2 is the best thing on T-Mobile right now. I'm coming from the Nexus S and love this phone. Once we have root and custom ROMs this thing will be even better. That being said, I'll probably dump it and buy the Nexus if/when it comes to Tmo
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I paid full price to hold me over until Nexus Prime arrives, which I will get on 2 year contract discount. I figured that the Prime might cost more at full price than the Hercules when it comes to TMO. The Amaze is even higher than the Hercules now and that clinched it for me.
Also better to have Pure Google phone on contract so you get updates first. I am coming from the Vibrant which has not received a Gingerbread update yet.

It was worth it to upgrade from the Sensation 4G. Total was $279 after selling my old phone. $600 outright is hefty,
The two things that decided it for me was the dual cell HSPA. The Nexus Prime probably won't support this, just HSPA+ 21. Both have AT&T and T-Mobile 3G/4G support so, that also helped me upgrade from the Sensation 4G

I think.its worth every penny. I.just got mine 6 hours ago and I'm amazed (no pun intended) on how the screen looks. Its so bright and the blacks are really black. I love the phone its fast, smooth, downloaded apps in a blink of an eye literally. The only thing is I wish it had a higher resolution. But its nit a deal breaker everything. Is great. Its also super light and thin!

I was very hesitant in getting this cause I only qualified for an early upgrade which took off only about 100 bucks. Why pay over 400 to extend my contract. It was tough on the wallet.
Had it for a full day and I'm glad I did. Came from a MT4G and all I can say is wow. Don't know what all the complaining is about. Guess it all depends on what phone you're coming from.
It does all that I need it to do and more. Mainly use it for work, lots of nav and as a media player. Worth every penny.
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Just got mine a couple hours ago off craigslist. 300+ some crappy ps3 games lol.
No box or charger tho. The phone had never been turned on as the battery was still sealed. Pretty good deal imo as im not due for an upgrade til 2013 (thanks sensation) and the early upgrade they gave me would have cost $470 or so. I already registered it with samsung and everything is cherry.
I top out over 10mps here whereas the Sensation only got around 2-3 lol.
100% better phone, forget the qHD.

Worth It
I just paid full price for my device. I don't really mind because I will still have an upgrade in less than a year. Is anyone else getting sick of all the nexus prime chatter? You know people will complain about it once its released. No phone is ever good enough these days. Don't get me wrong, Im sure it will be a nice phone. Im looking forward to getting the SGS2 rooted and CM7 slapped on it. This phone will be solid for some time......

Same here. I paid full price for mines and im not disapointed. Love ever bit of it.

Bought mine at full price. First time I have ever done so. I was going to wait for the Nexus Prime/galaxy or whatever but I got tired of my girlfriend *****ing about how much she hates her Blackberry and that she wanted Android back so I bought the SGS2 and gave her my Mytouch4g with Virtuous Unity and she loves it. Secondary reason were I can actually say I like Touchwiz 4. Im sure there will be root and the next versio of Cyanogenmod at some point so I am happy with my purchase.

I paid full price and i'm not regretting it, seeing how I checked the screen for 15 minutes in a dark backroom before exchanging my Amaze for it.
Beautiful screen runs better than the amaze, just hope my battery life is going to be as good.
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Rezound, Inc 4g LTE, or wait?

Just curious what everyone things i should retire my Inc for?
So far i'm thinking the Inc 4g, Slightly slower CPU, but higher IPC and LTE on chip are big selling points. Unless there is a Rezound 2 coming out this winter.
What do you guys think?

I'd go for the Galaxy S III, myself. It has all the specs you'll need (Snapdragon S4, LTE, HD screen) and looks like it'll be awesome for rooting and ROM-ing. When my upgrade rolls around, I'm going with the S3. HTC makes great phones, but the S# looks to be the best on Verizon (at least when it drops).

If it wasn't for the amazing camera and HTC people app, i would jump off of HTC, however, i keep all my company contacts in gmail, and personal synced to my phone with HTC sync, And stock android's contact app doesn't let me turn off just one gmail (at lest as for 2.5) If i recall correctly it doesn't play well with Facebook contacts. So id have multiple.
I know, i'm picky

Dinc 4g or sgs3 should be everyone on the og Dinc's predicament at the moment...
Dinc 4g will have a lower res/smaller screen, underclocked s4, and maybe even a smaller dev community because all the delays in getting to the consumer.
Sgs3 will have a bigger screen, full 1.5 dual core s4, and 2gb of ram compared to dinc 4g's 1 gb.
But right now it seems that the most important thing to those with multiple smartphones on their plan is to upgrade before June 28th, which is when the shared plans are going to kick in.
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Honestly, I'm waiting for the next Nexus phone, but a Rezound 2 doesn't sound too bad....then again I'm upgrading in January 2013 got my Dinc at Walmart for $40 its still great and powerful I'm really not to interested in retiring it soon.
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At this point wait. Of course that's what I'm doing so of course I feel that way.
I WAS going to get a SGS3 (especially after the tear down showed the iPhone 4s camera in it)... but when I picked one up in my hand.. it felt huge. I like to swype with one hand.. and.. I have big hands and my thumb felt stretched.
When I did the math on how much extra buying outright costs ($370... a new phone has a $200 price PLUS the $30 upgrade fee.. while outright is $600... so only $370 more) Over the course of a 2 year contract... its better to just buy the phone outright and keep your unlimited data.
Seeing how they are rolling out Quad Core with LTE in Korea.. where we haven't seen that yet.. they already passed that hurdle.. I'd wait till we see it here... (and forgetting that it's apple and iphone... they are supposedly doing it as well: http://www.appleinsider.com/article...e_rumored_to_feature_quad_core_processor.html )
You already passed the point of renewing with unlimited... waiting a bit longer won't kill you.

SGIII now, 4G LTE if the price drops
hellbringer616 said:
Just curious what everyone things i should retire my Inc for?
So far i'm thinking the Inc 4g, Slightly slower CPU, but higher IPC and LTE on chip are big selling points. Unless there is a Rezound 2 coming out this winter.
What do you guys think?
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I would have considered the 4G LTE except that (1) it came out too late to lock in 2 more years of unlimited data and (2) it is overpriced for what you get.
So I locked in my SGIII back in June.
It arrives Monday.
However, if you don't want to pay big bucks I would wait a month or two to see if the DInc 4G LTE goes on sale on Amazon, Wirefly, Radio Shack or even Big Red itself. My target price would be $99.

test
I'm gonna test out the dinc 4 and SG3 before I make a decision. My upgrades not ready til Aug so it'll give me plenty of time to figure out which one feels nicest and behaves better. But I'm leaning towards the SG3 due the record of Samsung vs HTC.

I do like the size of the new incredible.. but the chip is a slightly slower one.. but the biggie is that the screen on it is fairly low quality compared to all the new ones out there.
also the sgs3 has the same camera as the iPhone 4s... which is currently the best on the market for a cell phone camera.

galaxy s III looks like a good phone.The more articles I read on it the more I want to get it.My hands are huge so a bigger phone would be great compared to the incredible 4g

hellbringer616 said:
Just curious what everyone things i should retire my Inc for?
So far i'm thinking the Inc 4g, Slightly slower CPU, but higher IPC and LTE on chip are big selling points. Unless there is a Rezound 2 coming out this winter.
What do you guys think?
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I have the Rezound, coming from the Inc in December, and I love it but I just ran a ROM from the latest Inc and Sense 4 blends so much better with ICS then Sense 3.6 does (I'm on the latest ICS Leak). I would definitely get that Inc...There will ALWAYS be something bigger and better a few months off...

IPhone 4s
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I would wait... I was a hardcore droid for 3 years then I got a iPhone 4 and my opinion iOS 6 beta is more stable. iPhone 5 or galaxy S3 since by courts it's copied a lot of apples patents. Lol Samsung has to give apple 8%+ of the sales of this phone. Sucks with updating your phone that we lose unlimited data unless you buy at retail price without contract.

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IPhone 4s
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Hahahah that's was a good joke
I would hold off for now. There's supposed to be a quad core 1080p 5in HTC beast for Verizon later this year
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AshtonTS said:
Hahahah that's was a good joke
I would hold off for now. There's supposed to be a quad core 1080p 5in HTC beast for Verizon later this year
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Yep its called galaxy nexus 2
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Yep its called galaxy nexus 2
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Wouldn't the Galaxy Nexus 2 be made by Samsung not HTC?
I feel like phones are in a transitional phase right now. Nothing coming out in the near future is going to be a game changer. I'm going to wait until the quad S4 with the A15 equivalent comes out. Although, right now I'm completely happy with my Dinc running Jellybean, so I'm in no hurry.

Razor m might be a good choice

Galaxy Note 2
The Galaxy Note 2 is rumored to be coming to all four US carriers, so that would be an option as well.

[All Carriers] How long until...

How long until you believe this phone becomes obsolete? I hear a lot of people (and read them, too) say that this is probably the first phone they'd go the full 2 years with...however, being realistic, when was the last time you made it two years with the same device? I haven't gone two years with the same device since the original Razr was in style.
I know, I know, at 2gb ram, dual core, etc, this phone is far from becoming obsolete, so I'll rephrase that question for you: What feature on a future phone would make you make the switch from your Galaxy S3? Or are you confident enough that there will be no other phone in the next two years that can replace it?

When they release phones with 16 core Opterons in them
In the wise words of amd..:
MOAR CORES!!!!!
/sarcasm

My old s1 still works great
And really do we need to be able to play skyrim on a phone
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I've actually been impressed with mobile gaming...never was big on it but I have played 3D Spiderman, GTA 3, Fifa12, PES 2011 and 2012, NBA Jam, etc...been a great experience recently
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gtuansdiamm said:
My old s1 still works great
And really do we need to be able to play skyrim on a phone
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Yes
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I don't know that I have a feature that I would jump ship for at this time ... but I wonder if, in 2 years, the size and use of applications will make even 2 gb of ram obsolete?
I'm in the camp that I can see keeping this phone throughout contract, but it is hard to tell if, in 1.5 to 2 years time, 2 GB of ram is actually not enough to keep up with programs/OS requirements. I don't necessarily think so, but remember back when 256MB of ram was a lot? That wasn't TOO long ago.
But, since I don't use my phone for intense gaming, I see this phone in my future for a long while - at least until the sandwich-making feature phone is announced.

I don't think it being obsolete would be the problem. I'll just want something newer at some point before two years. My Evo 3D could have easily lasted another year for my uses, but I still got a GS3.
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banzaiwolfe said:
I don't think it being obsolete would be the problem. I'll just want something newer at some point before two years. My Evo 3D could have easily lasted another year for my uses, but I still got a GS3.
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You and I think alike. Also had Evo 3D, Razr, GNex, but still had to have the S3 and more than likely getting the Note 2 when it comes out
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Ill keep mine the whole 2 years (well 20 months or whatever it is) just like I have done with every other phone. While there may be something new and better out if you are always waiting for that you will never have a phone. That and the cost to buy phones off contract now are more than I want to spend.

Sccrluk9 said:
Ill keep mine the whole 2 years (well 20 months or whatever it is) just like I have done with every other phone. While there may be something new and better out if you are always waiting for that you will never have a phone. That and the cost to buy phones off contract now are more than I want to spend.
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That's why you make a friend who works for AT&T and gets all the new phones free who can turn around and sell em to u for 100-150...lol
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It will become obsolete sometime between Q4 2012 & Q2 2013. Qualcomm are already prepping the S4 QUAD for tablets this year and its performace is roughly x2 the Dual S4, and far exceeds the Exynos 4212+Tegra 3 if I read correctly. Technically the GPU in all Android phones are obsolete or slow in comparison to Apple's latest offerings(Imaginations is like a high-end Nvidia in the mobile-space, Adreno mid, and Tegra mid-high).
For some reason I feel someone is gonna make a 1080P phone, which is useless btw--just had to throw that out there for those that were unaware. Cores cores and more cores will probably be one of the more popular acts we see though, and 2GB-4GB Ram will be standard. Unfortunately I wish these companies would realize they need to relax b/c optimizations are practically nonexistent with Stock Android phones. I hate to constantly reference Apple & WP7/8, though it's a must. When i hear people telling me stuff like the HOAX or S3, or whatever dual/quad lags--lag. Seriously, these phones are using CPUs that theoretically should outperform the 4S/iPd3, but that's normally not the case. We are getting to a point where everyone is rushing to get out the latest and greatest, however all the hardware don't mean **** when the software can't match it.
P.S. Sorry about going off on a rant.

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We are getting to a point where everyone is rushing to get out the latest and greatest, however all the hardware don't mean **** when the software can't match it.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again here, I love Android OS but in terms of refinement iOS is better put together overall (speed, battery life, overall smoothness). Thats just my opinion.
and yes, quad core, 2GB RAM-LTE device is already out there in Korea... it wont be long until our dual core, 2GB RAM, LTE gets outdone hardware-wise down here
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I have been so disappointed with the radio in my t-mobile s3 because I cannot stream music without it cutting out constantly. I am actually going to demand a microsim adapter from them and return to my vibrant. If my data sucks so bad that I cannot consistently stream music in the car, what's the point of owning this without calling it just a pda.
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p3rljam said:
I have been so disappointed with the radio in my t-mobile s3 because I cannot stream music without it cutting out constantly. I am actually going to demand a microsim adapter from them and return to my vibrant. If my data sucks so bad that I cannot consistently stream music in the car, what's the point of owning this without calling it just a pda.
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What are u streaming? And what coverage do you have? 3G? H+?
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cue_32 said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again here, I love Android OS but in terms of refinement iOS is better put together overall (speed, battery life, overall smoothness). Thats just my opinion.
and yes, quad core, 2GB RAM-LTE device is already out there in Korea... it wont be long until our dual core, 2GB RAM, LTE gets outdone hardware-wise down here
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And it only took around 2 months for it to become obsolete then, not ideal in the world I would prefer, but I suppose it can't be helped. This phone could had been so much more if Samsung stuck with the SGX instead of adopting the Mali-400. It would had been so cool to have the CPU part of the S4 combined with a dual/quad SGX543/544 like the ipad/iphones. Those GPUs outperform even the silly Tegra 3 & its fancy 16 cores(which are just 16 weak cores throw together ). I don't know what Sammy or Qualcomm were thinking about. Everyone is just dropping the ball all over the place these days.

I'm not really sure, mainly because I'm not entirely vested in this phone as it is, so it probably wouldn't take much, provided I could sell this one and cover the majority cost of a replacement phone.
I think something with sufficient horsepower to run some things which even this phone can't, but that remains to be seen. One thing that could almost definitely sell me is a flagship phone like this one that has a hardware keyboard. The problem is that I'm in the minority, so a flagship Galaxy S or Nexus phone is highly unlikely to have one, and I care ever so slightly more about the fact that flagship phones have thriving development communities, whereas one-off phones, which I may like more, won't get the same kind of attention from either developers or manufacturers.

I'll keep my phone until my contract is up. I always have (except for my BB Storm which I *****ed about until they upgraded me). My OG Droid Inc lasted for 2 years until I got this S3 and it was still in like new condition. I was tired of the small screen, but the devs here kept the phone fresh.
Hell, part of me misses my Inc. (Love this phone, though.)
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Technically the GPU in all Android phones are obsolete or slow in comparison to Apple's latest offerings.
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Do you mean the dual core 800MHz in the 4S? That is Apple's current offering.
Since the definition of obsolete is...
1. out of use or practice; not current
2. out of date; unfashionable or outmoded
An old Startac is obsolete because it It can no longer be used. My old Motorola RAZR is not obsolete because I can still use it
for it's intended purpose.
I would say the phone will not be obsolete for many years to come. How can a device me considered obsolete if there is a phone
with a faster CPU or more memory? The phone can still be used for it's intended purpose.
My S3 can not do anything my Vibrant couldn't (with the same mechanicals), it only does it better.
Ian

w98seeng said:
Do you mean the dual core 800MHz in the 4S? That is Apple's current offering.
Since the definition of obsolete is...
1. out of use or practice; not current
2. out of date; unfashionable or outmoded
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Actually when I said latest offering I was referencing the iPad 3. And actually I stated the GPU in Android devices are all obsolete(as in not current in terms of power). The Legendary SGX543 MP4 in the iPad 3 mops the floor of every single Android device to ever touch this world, even the soon to be made Adreno 320 in the new S4 QUAD(snapdragon) fails to match the creature. Even the 4S' SGX543 MP2 is barely phased by the Mali 400, Adreno 225, and Tegra 3's laughable 16 core toy. I have no doubt that the S3's CPU is superior at all.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6022/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-review-att-and-tmobile-usa-variants/4
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/...agon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6054/google-nexus-7-mini-review
^Just look there, every time Apple makes everyone look like a joke. As much as I dislike Apple's methods and price gouging what I say it true.

Ace42 said:
It will become obsolete sometime between Q4 2012 & Q2 2013. Qualcomm are already prepping the S4 QUAD for tablets this year and its performace is roughly x2 the Dual S4, and far exceeds the Exynos 4212+Tegra 3 if I read correctly. Technically the GPU in all Android phones are obsolete or slow in comparison to Apple's latest offerings(Imaginations is like a high-end Nvidia in the mobile-space, Adreno mid, and Tegra mid-high).
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Obsolete (by my definition) doesn't mean that a newer/better product exists. Every device would be a obsolete within a few months if that were the case. To me obsolescence means that it either doesn't perform modern tasks acceptably or a new product feature is so desirable that you simply don't want your old device anymore.
We all know the S3 will handle Jelly Bean beautifully. I'm pretty confident it will be good for Key Lime Pie as well. I got close to 2 years from my OG Epic (Galaxy S1) and only upgraded short of 2 years because I could. With the strong CM/AOKP support this phone has, I'm fully confident I'll have this phone the full 2 years. Unless I break it, heh.