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Non ext partition roms

Is there any desire roms out there that doesnt require a ext partition these days?
I just want a custom rom without the need to always use that one sd card to boot and im not really much of an app user anyway.

a lot of the apps2sd roms will go on without an ext partition - but you'll just have limited space, usually about 73-130mb of the internal storage...

Looking in the android development thread it seems that most of them listed ext partiton as a requirement due to parts of system files are also in the ext partition required to boot.

Check with the dev of the roms for apps2sd ones that you might like... I am sure I saw an 'apps2sd killer' script too once so you might be able to apply that

the 2.1 ROMS usually goes well whitout the app2sd but its highly recommended

try CM7
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Just delete the ext partition and the rom such as miui for example will detect that there is no extra partion an so will disable the a2sd scrript
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murasame2006 said:
Is there any desire roms out there that doesnt require a ext partition these days?
I just want a custom rom without the need to always use that one sd card to boot and im not really much of an app user anyway.
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AceS
VisionS
SagaS
AceSMod007 Lite
All this roms dont have ext partition)

All those roms dont have a nona2sd version.. but nice try ..
I may make the leap soon to partitioned rom , but for now I have go launcher which looks good..

dgattenb said:
All those roms dont have a nona2sd version.. but nice try ..
I may make the leap soon to partitioned rom , but for now I have go launcher which looks good..
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If you do go down the road of partitioning as you put it
Save yourself some future hassle and purchase a class 10 memory card and read about changing your recovery program to 4Ext Recovery 2.1.0.
I'm a complete noob but managed to do it with a little forum trolling
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Custom hboot question

I was trying to find why using a custom hboot is better than using the official hboot and couldn't find something else except the different size for system etc. So is cm7/r2 faster or smoother or more stable or better at something else? Please if anyone knows enlighten me. Thanks
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This question was already answered. Many times, to be exact.
It is mainly for using the internal memory more efficiently for custom ROMs which do not require for example 250 MB for the system, therefore you will have more internal memory for your apps.
ANd stuff running from the NAND is faster than running from a memory card.

It has nothing to do with speed or smoothness.. It just reduces the size of the /system partition which increases the /data partition therefore creating more space for apps etc
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davebugyi said:
This question was alredy answered. Many times, to be exact.
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davebugyi said:
This question was alredy answered. Many times, to be exact.
It is mainly for using the internal memory more efficiently for custom ROMs which do not require for example 250 MB for the system, therefore you will have more internal memory for your apps.
ANd stuff running from the NAND is faster than running from a memory card.
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I use CM7 and instead of using a2sd, I use the CM7 hboot. It allows me to run all of my apps and dalvik from the NAND instead of my SD card. NAND is always faster than an SD card.

Hboot change from CM7r2 to stock Hboot
I dont know how i changed my Stock Hboot to Cm7r2 (i was trying to change it with android flasher, it showed error..but when i checked it still worked)..But now my Usb doesn't connect to my PC..so i cannot install any Cm7r2 roms..HOW TO SWITCH BACK TO Stock Hboot

Look for it here http://alpharev.nl/

@ Timmaa
"It has nothing to do with speed or smoothness.. It just reduces the size of the /system partition which increases the /data partition therefore creating more space for apps etc"
But the other friend Davebugyi say that it has to do with speed "ANd stuff running from the NAND is faster than running from a memory card" who is wrong and who is correct??? Sorry if i don't understand something obvious but i am new to all this!!!
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He is right in the sense that apps will run more smoothly
from nand. When using stock hboot you usually need to use a2sd to fit your apps on the phone, therefore they can lag a bit because they're running from the sd card. Custom hboot like CM7 allows you to leave your apps on nand storage so they will run better. When I said it has nothing to do with speed or smoothness I thought you were talking about handset/rom speed, which a custom hboot won't affect. So we are both right in our own ways. Don't apologise dude we all have to learn and we all need to start somewhere
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timmaaa said:
He is right in the sense that apps will run more smoothly
from nand. When using stock hboot you usually need to use a2sd to fit your apps on the phone, therefore they can lag a bit because they're running from the sd card. Custom hboot like CM7 allows you
to leave your apps on nand storage so they will run better. When I said it has nothing to do with speed or smoothness I thought you were talking about handset/rom speed, which a custom hboot won't affect. So we are both right in our own ways. Don't apologise dude we all have to learn and we all need to start somewhere
I see thank u...
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[Q] If you put a Custom ROM with A2SD+ on HTC DESIRE how many apps can u install?

My question essentially is Im curious just HOW MUCH usable INTERNAL MEMORY will you get in total if you root and install a custom rom with A2SD+ I saw and heard someone saying you can get 1gb internal memory for all of your apps? of course due to having partitioning your SD card, how many apps can you install and run ?

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My question essentially is Im curious just HOW MUCH usable INTERNAL MEMORY will you get in total if you root and install a custom rom with A2SD+ I saw and heard someone saying you can get 1gb internal memory for all of your apps? of course due to having partitioning your SD card, how many apps can you install and run ?
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105 with 20MB internal left, so I'd say it is about that. Stock hboot.

erklat said:
105 with 20MB internal left, so I'd say it is about that. Stock hboot.
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Wow I'm seriously considering it! There isn't even 100 apps I'd want but the more memory the better woot!
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That doesn't mean you can go crazy on games and Google Earth either. I have 105 which are apps that are used to improve functionality, not for boasting.

erklat said:
That doesn't mean you can go crazy on games and Google Earth either. I have 105 which are apps that are used to improve functionality, not for boasting.
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Thanks for the advice. I know what you mean I only get useful stuff. 100 apps to improve function?! Wow name a few and their use
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cha0seng said:
Thanks for the advice. I know what you mean I only get useful stuff. 100 apps to improve function?! Wow name a few and their use
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Droidzone on his Supernova ROM with my data2sd has installed over 450 and still has a lot of space left
Check it out
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whats the difference between data2sd and a2sd+ which one is best to allow you to have the most amount of internal memory to install apps possible? my friend has got a htc desire with a miui rom and has installed over 300 apps ? how? i wanna know which is the best way to get most amount of memory ?

djsynth said:
whats the difference between data2sd and a2sd+ which one is best to allow you to have the most amount of internal memory to install apps possible? my friend has got a htc desire with a miui rom and has installed over 300 apps ? how? i wanna know which is the best way to get most amount of memory ?
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With a2sd+ internal memory still decreases because not all app data is moved to sd-card, some ramains in the internal memory.
data2sd moves entire data folder to ext3/4 partition on sdcard so nothing in internal memory get decreased (maybe something related to dalvik cache?).
That partition can be very big (I have 512GB - not much but I'm too lazy to repartition/reinstall). I saw some users are having as big as 2GB. I guess it can go more.
I'm runnning droidzone's Supernova 2.0.2.0 and I'm having 150 apps there and still 40 MB of free space. ROM is stable, fast and comes with data2sd metioned above.

i really appreciate you clearing that up sounds great i was curious if you know or if anyone knows for that matter wether there is any sense 3.0 or sense 3.5 roms with the data 2 sd script in it ? if not what are the best data2sd running roms for the htc desire?

djsynth said:
i really appreciate you clearing that up sounds great i was curious if you know or if anyone knows for that matter wether there is any sense 3.0 or sense 3.5 roms with the data 2 sd script in it ? if not what are the best data2sd running roms for the htc desire?
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Cool3D AceS v3 has a data2ext version.
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data2sd is better imho. It is constantly being developed by Sibere here and still well supported. Not to mention it was first.
I am unsure why sibere's work gets so overlooked all the time.

Im using CM7.1 ROM and it supports A2SD. Partitioned my SD card thru recovery using clockwork and installed S2ext. Set one of the extesions to 512 mb. Already Installed 43 user apps and (126 apps including system apps), but still i have 111 mb free memory. A totally great boast to my Desire as compared before on a stock whereas doing a hard reset every two weeks due to low memory issues.

is data2ext the same as data2sd? and is there a clear step to step guide on how to get the Cool3D AceS v3 ?

rootSU - Tell me the reason WHY you say data2sd is best?

it depends from the size of the apps, if you have root, then try to put the dalvik cache to ext3, too

djsynth said:
and is there a clear step to step guide on how to get the Cool3D AceS v3 ?
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1st post from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1040121
Flash the data2ext hboot, then alignment, rom and weather pack.
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itachi1706 said:
1st post from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1040121
Flash the data2ext hboot, then alignment, rom and weather pack.
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If I understood correctly I should first flash Data2ext Hboot and then Cool3D AceS v3 DATA2EXT or?

You got it right.
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djsynth said:
is data2ext the same as data2sd? and is there a clear step to step guide on how to get the Cool3D AceS v3 ?
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No, they are a bit different. Look at their core code to see the differences.

i use cm7 with dalvic cache on sd;
total apps installed: 234
and 42mb free

[Q] Partitioning SD, is there a clear easy guide?

after a few hours of searching and reading on xda and google, i understand the reasoning for aligning partitions on the SD card, but i just cant find a clear set of instructions on how to do so. I´ve read Sibre´s thread on partitioning, which mostly made sense but the calculations seems a little confusing. I have a 16gb class 6 SD card.
Currently my SD card is partitioned as Fat32 + EXT4 (1gb), which was done with gparted, aligned to MiB.
1: does anyone know of an easy to follow guide?
2: Is there an app (or command line string) that can show the details of an SD cards current partition configuration, and/or confirm if its correctly aligned?

i just use ext4 recovery... not the touch one, its still too large, i dont want to brick my phone... but the normal one it great!
this recovery will do all you asked for and all you need.

There is no reason to re-partition your SD card, unless you wanna use a ROM with DATA2SD (which needs an EXT-partition with 1,5 GB - 2 GB). For the rest of the ROM's your setup should be totally fine.
If you really need to partition your SD card, the easiest is to do it with recovery (my recommendations are 4EXT or RMD). The alternative should only be GParted, nothing else! Please do not use something like Rom Manager or Partition Wizard if you want to have the rewards of your SD card!

MatDrOiD said:
There is no reason to re-partition your SD card, unless you wanna use a ROM with DATA2SD (which needs an EXT-partition with 1,5 GB - 2 GB). For the rest of the ROM's your setup should be totally fine.
If you really need to partition your SD card, the easiest is to do it with recovery (my recommendations are 4EXT or RMD). The alternative should only be GParted, nothing else! Please do not use something like Rom Manager or Partition Wizard if you want to have the rewards of your SD card!
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Thanks for info. Im currently using MIUI-XJ D2EXT rom, but have been trying CM7.1 which seems quite laggy in comparison. Manu´s Kernel seems to give best performance, have also tried tiamat´s.
I wasn´t quite sure if the lag in CM7.1 was due to SD alignment, as i was using D2SD.

dsbnz said:
Thanks for info. Im currently using MIUI-XJ D2EXT rom, but have been trying CM7.1 which seems quite laggy in comparison. Manu´s Kernel seems to give best performance, have also tried tiamat´s.
I wasn´t quite sure if the lag in CM7.1 was due to SD alignment, as i was using D2SD.
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CM7 does not lag. Period.

bortak said:
CM7 does not lag. Period.
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bortak said:
CM7 does not lag. Period.
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Absolutely correct. Never lags.
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timmaaa said:
Absolutely correct. Never lags.
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I can appreciate that others have a better experience on theirs with cm7, but not so in the case on mine. As much as i´d like to be using cm7 (as i really like the options), it doesn´t perform near as well as miui-xj d2ext on my desire. Possibly the D2SD is causing the lag.

CM7 in itself is a fast rom and doesn't really support any "xxx-2SD" that's why we say that the ROM doesn't lag.
Since the hardware limitations of our device, we are 'forced' to apply 'hacks' to get the most out of it. I haven't flashed/used any scripts but I do use S2E app on the market and haven't experienced any lag with CM7. Yes there is a possibility that the D2SD you are using is causing the lag.

Check out this excellent tutorial:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/SD_card_partitioning

on cm7 i suggest a2sd ONLY, NOT dalvik/caches 2 sd, NOT data to sd, NOT a2sdx
simple a2sd using, oddly simple2ext, or one of the unofficial scripts given out in the CM7 nightly thread... (gingervillian uses darktremors a2sd, but even that causes lag with dalvik2sd)
https://market.android.com/developer?pub=OlegKrikun
if you use anything else you are likely to cause lag.

I've used ClockWorkMod Recovery for partitioning my sd-card. I'm running Runnymede AIO V4.0 SE now. No problems at all.

stankyou said:
CM7 in itself is a fast rom and doesn't really support any "xxx-2SD" that's why we say that the ROM doesn't lag.
Since the hardware limitations of our device, we are 'forced' to apply 'hacks' to get the most out of it. I haven't flashed/used any scripts but I do use S2E app on the market and haven't experienced any lag with CM7. Yes there is a possibility that the D2SD you are using is causing the lag.
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i tried S2E but i couldn´t get it to work, even after trying various options the data space didnt go beyond 140mb

S2e doesn't change change the data partition, its not meant to.
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rom with more space

hi everyone, a friend of mine has a desire (stock rom) and always the problem that the internal capacity is full. now we are looming for a stable rom which basicly has sd card limit for apps and is not restricted to the intetnal one.
ive read quite a lot here and lokked at some roms and have some favorites, but i would like to get some input from actual desire users what rom they use and how the situation is with the app storage space.
so what rom do you use?
and hows the app storage situation with the rom?
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grognaz said:
so what rom do you use?
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you're going to get confusing answers from this question in my opinion, though you could try here. if you want stability at the moment stick with GB roms.
best bet would be to browse through a few in the development section, see what your friend wants, rather than what other people tell you is the BEST ROM EVER
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virtually all of them will have raised the limit on app storage using various scripts, which is one of the main reasons of custom roms on desire in the first place
each rom will have their own requirements, but generally need an sd-ext partition (use 4ext recovery or gparted) and/or a hboot partition table.
i've always found this guide useful in understanding root/memory stuff.

grognaz said:
hi everyone, a friend of mine has a desire (stock rom) and always the problem that the internal capacity is full. now we are looming for a stable rom which basicly has sd card limit for apps and is not restricted to the intetnal one.
ive read quite a lot here and lokked at some roms and have some favorites, but i would like to get some input from actual desire users what rom they use and how the situation is with the app storage space.
so what rom do you use?
and hows the app storage situation with the rom?
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Supernova,by Droidzone, just do a 2gig ext4 partition and you will have 2gig of internal memory.
This Rom is base on stock 2.3 and is tweak for the better. Super smooth and your low memory days are over. Don' t take my word try it yourself

my HTC Desire runs actually BCM cyanogenmod9 with a data++ hboot
Anyway, you could get free space without changing rom and avoid using sd card ext (which might introduce some lags), by flashing the bravo Sense hboot (saving 70MB and keeping HTC Desire's stock rom).
That's my point, but it depends on your friend's rom preferences

thanks all for the feedback, actually i looked yesterday at some roms and supernova was one of the roms i considered since its aosp based, the other would be mildwild which is cm7 based, i guess i will just add my friend what suits her better and then go with that.
any bugs or other issues i should be aware with theae roms?
oh and i think the device has 5.11....radio i think. will that cause problems?
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I just converted to mildwild 4.1.9 and can vouch for it being very impressive. I have setcpu app on it and now have 75% battery at the end of the day. I have a 16GB SD card and loads of storage so far, but I must say I am more disciplined with what I install now, as I used to gum it up with anything and everything! Mine is a desire GSM btw.
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grognaz said:
supernova was one of the roms i considered since its aosp based
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It's not AOSP. But Stock HTC Sense with scripts and some mods.

i noticed and im not to impressed by it but mildwild 5 got bootloops. gona try 4.9 or a pure cm rom in the coming days
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grognaz said:
i noticed and im not to impressed by it but mildwild 5 got bootloops. gona try 4.9 or a pure cm rom in the coming days
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Oxygen rom is worth a look. AOSP rom that is closest to stock Gingerbread that you'll gonna get for desire. Just use the custom hboot for it found in http://alpharev.nl. (s-off required) and EXT partition on the sd card and it should give you one of the most stable rom with decent space for your apps.
check http://oxygen.im to get the rom.

iv been using mildwild oxygen the past week and got no complaints, i used runnymede aio as my "stock" rom and always went back to it lol but i honestly cant see myself going back this time
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thnaks a lot for the feedback,
we tried mildwild oxygene but after one day and 5 self reboots its clear this is not stable at all.
now i have an other question, i flashed cm 7.2 with full wipe but the device always booted/rebooted into recovery... what can be the cause of that? mithg we have some partitioning problem here?
or something else thats wrong?
i partitioned the sd card with the cwm (1gb ext, 32mb swap) that gets installed with rom manager (5.0.2 or so i think).
if this is the problem, would be awesome to get a link to what we need to make cm 7.2 work. thanks.

lol mildwild oxygen not stable? probably 1 of the top 3 most stable roms iv used. using it now, not 1 single problem.
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lol mildwild oxygen not stable? probably 1 of the top 3 most stable roms iv used. using it now, not 1 single problem.
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well thats nice for you, but my friend got lots of reboots so i dont consider this stable at all and we need to try somethig else.
i guess its like oc/uc nor everything works for every device.

that is nice for me. also could have something to do with that rom manager and partitioning ur sdcard with that crap cwm
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jmcclue said:
that is nice for me. also could have something to do with that rom manager and partitioning ur sdcard with that crap cwm
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maybe you could mention something better instead of just calling cwm crap?

well maybe if u wasnt so cheeky i would of. cwm is known to make bad partitions so maybe try 4ext recovery or gparted to partition. i use 1gb ext4 and rest fat32 (no swap) with mildwild oxygen and iv had no problems so maybe try 4ext recovery
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thanks for the information, i will check the partitions today with gparted and probably reformat. i created a 32m swap partition and i dont know if cwm created a ext3 or ext4 partition so that might be the problem...
i did not intend to be "cheeky" (and not sure if i understand it correctly, sometimes im getting a bit upset when people post something like: " it works for me." and do not think about adding some info what could be different:O

if ur gona use mildwild oxygen i dont think u will need a swap size when u partition sdcard, just do a 1gb ext4 or 1.5gb max and the rest fat32
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Hi
new ICS 4.0.4 by sandvold is very smooth and you can have alot of internal memory.

eddiehk6 said:
you're going to get confusing answers from this question in my opinion, though you could try here. if you want stability at the moment stick with GB roms.
best bet would be to browse through a few in the development section, see what your friend wants, rather than what other people tell you is the BEST ROM EVER
virtually all of them will have raised the limit on app storage using various scripts, which is one of the main reasons of custom roms on desire in the first place
each rom will have their own requirements, but generally need an sd-ext partition (use 4ext recovery or gparted) and/or a hboot partition table.
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I am using MW based on Oxygen v4 with a SD-EXT partition of 1GB and set-up with APPS+DATA to SD-EXT. Don't think I am close to running out of space. I have 104 apps installed including the big ones like Google+/Skype/etc.
Check out this thread with practically links to every ROM available for desire. I usually scour this link to check for updates.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=809328
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