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[Dev] Custom roms cooking and developpement status

Hi Cookers and Devs,
We face a set of problems with Hero custom roms. The fact is that nobody has been able to port another device's rom, even a cupcake rom. We always face the same main problems: no bluetooth, no trackball, no camera, no accelerometer and, most of the time, no GPS. We all tried lots of cooking (changed many files, libs etc...) with no success.
That is why we thought we were missing kernel sources. Now we have them, we have noticed that the customization of stock android-msm sources by HTC is huge compared to, for example, the small kernel patch for sapphire 32a devices. To port the changes to 2.6.29 kernel sources, we need an expert kernel developer witch our hero dev community lacks. But, the fact that we face the same problems for porting cupcake and donut roms make me think that the kernel version is NOT the problem.
My thought is that HTC's android customization may be huge too... (android framework may have been modified) But because of android's apache license they don't have to release sources. It is a hard and long work to guess all those changes...
Concerning rom cooking, Sapphire/Dream Cookers faced the same problems porting Hero roms to there devices for a long time. Drizzy has got bluetooth fixed no so long ago.... I am sure they have the knowledge we miss. But we then face an other problem, most of those Cookers think Hero is ****,or don't want to know anything about non google branded devices, or, coming from WinMo world, have lots of difficulties sharing their knowledge...
I suggest that we, all Hero rom cookers and devs, try to port Sapphire AOSP Cupcake to Hero. Why cupcake? Because we can be sure kernel version 2.6.27 is ok with it. I am pretty sure that, once done, we will be able to port other roms.
The progress of that work would go to this thread.
What you (devs and cookers) think ?

The 3.03 ROM I posted once was based on a Sapphire.
The easiest to port is the 32A.
Though a few things weren't working as planned, and the rom was plagued with speed issues, it worked.
(sometimes, it's a matter of coupling the right init from the initrd - kernel part)
The harder part is porting ROMs which are meant to be run on a 2.6.29 kernel.
My guess?
I've taken a look at the 2.6.27/29 diff, and it isn't worth the time, to get a community-driven 2.6.29 tree.
HTC will long before that release the 2.6.29 kernel.

adwinp said:
The 3.03 ROM I posted once was based on a Sapphire.
The easiest to port is the 32A.
Though a few things weren't working as planned, and the rom was plagued with speed issues, it worked.
(sometimes, it's a matter of coupling the right init from the initrd - kernel part)
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Was it cupcake? Did bluetooth, accelerometer, Gps worked? Any link to it?
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The harder part is porting ROMs which are meant to be run on a 2.6.29 kernel.
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Well, sure it is harder, but we face about the same as porting ROMs which are meant to be run on a 2.6.27 kernel. That is what makes me think kernel version may not be the solution for most of the problems we face.
adwinp said:
My guess?
I've taken a look at the 2.6.27/29 diff, and it isn't worth the time, to get a community-driven 2.6.29 tree.
HTC will long before that release the 2.6.29 kernel.
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Yes it worth the time. Creating a 2.6.29 branch on github easy, applying patch isn't: many rejects. And yes we'll have to wait a long time for HTC to release 2.6.29 Hero kernel sources

we need an expert kernel developer witch our hero dev community lacks
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regarding that issue, maybe we could setup some kind of donation and give the donation as a "reward" to the "expert" dev who first can provide a working kernel...?
i know its a long shot...
and it all depends on how willing the HERO community is willing to donate...

nice going guys. i was really getting tired to see no remarkable development in hero and was planning to get an additional dream just for playing. and i was really dissappointed seeing hero cookers not giving much **** about roms and releasing nice stuffs.
now i understand what the barricades are. and yeah its true that dream and sapphire cookers really dont give **** about hero. i am creating a theme of my own and wanted to have a transparent top taskbar and top clock color black and i asked several time sin dream and sapphire threads but dint get a SINGLE reply.
however, its really true that HTC wont be giving us 2.6.29 any time soon rather will make it as longer as possible. so it would be best to try ourselves to make it ourselves. and as its really a troublesome work it wud be really great if u guys cud have worked together to get it quickly.
and as we all know none of u live on cooking roms i wud really to contribute in the donation thing as much i can. a $20 donation doesnt really hurt much to get my $700 phone going.
last but not the least... request to other fellow hero users....... please help ourselves by rising a fund of donation for our cookers so that they get enough encouragement for cooking hero roms.
regards

have you taken into consideration that eclair is about to come? i don't want to take the fun out of it, in fact i think it is a very good idea what lox proposed here. but i myself find myself rather reluctant to try to mod anything except tweaking mcr2.9 a little more... not that i had the capabilities to seriously do some kernel hacking/modding/developing, but at least i was able to compile my own working kernel, so i am not completely clueless.
again, don't want to take the fun out of it, i would just imagine that you have a hard time motivating members to donate 1.5/1.6 improvement, when eclair is just around the edge...

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have you taken into consideration that eclair is about to come? i don't want to take the fun out of it, in fact i think it is a very good idea what lox proposed here. but i myself find myself rather reluctant to try to mod anything except tweaking mcr2.9 a little more... not that i had the capabilities to seriously do some kernel hacking/modding/developing, but at least i was able to compile my own working kernel, so i am not completely clueless.
again, don't want to take the fun out of it, i would just imagine that you have a hard time motivating members to donate 1.5/1.6 improvement, when eclair is just around the edge...
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bro dont get me wrong......... but do u really beleive that htc is going to give us eclair in 1-2 months? i mean if they were this kind then why they dint kernel or source code for hero earlier? do u think htc will release better os for a phone which is already 7 months old rather upgrading the new released phones and releasing new handsets? bro those phone companies are here for doing business , not serving customer's after sales needs.
if u still want to wait believing that htc is ur friend then its ur call and best of luck with that. but after buying these costly handsets for last 6-7 years i know it very well that nokia, samsung, htc never going to keep their promises regarding firmwares.

dying4004 said:
bro dont get me wrong......... but do u really beleive that htc is going to give us eclair in 1-2 months? i mean if they were this kind then why they dint kernel or source code for hero earlier? do u think htc will release better os for a phone which is already 7 months old rather upgrading the new released phones and releasing new handsets? bro those phone companies are here for doing business , not serving customer's after sales needs.
if u still want to wait believing that htc is ur friend then its ur call and best of luck with that. but after buying these costly handsets for last 6-7 years i know it very well that nokia, samsung, htc never going to keep their promises regarding firmwares.
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well obviously you have more experience with the smartphone stuff, my (first and) last one (before the hero) died in 2005... but i won't give up the hope
all i am saying is that this should be taken into consideration, before anyone starts a donation run that ends up having collected 160$ and a whole bunch of disappointed members...

kendong2 said:
well obviously you have more experience with the smartphone stuff, my (first and) last one (before the hero) died in 2005... but i won't give up the hope
all i am saying is that this should be taken into consideration, before anyone starts a donation run that ends up having collected 160$ and a whole bunch of disappointed members...
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bro i completely understand what u wanna say as the money we want to donate has to be earned by hard work by us. but u be sure that it will be at least 4-5 months before u get full eclair for hero. and i recon if our devs work unitedly and gets some expert help from outside then its possible to get 2.6.29 kernel and other things in 1-1.5 month.

Lox_Dev said:
And yes we'll have to wait a long time for HTC to release 2.6.29 Hero kernel sources
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Given that HTC haven't shipped a Hero with a 2.6.29 kernel, they have no requirement to do so!
HOWEVER......
What about the Tattoo? That's Donut, so it will have a 2.6.29 kernel, and therefore HTC must provide the kernel source. I'll wager there is some significant similarity between the kernel modifications required for Hero and those required for the Tattoo.
Perhaps it is time for us to start badgering HTC for the Tattoo kernel source!
FWIW, I've been trying to build a 2.6.29 kernel using a diff patch for AOSP 2.6.27 vs Hero 2.6.27, but I seem to be thwarted at every turn.
Regards,
Dave

dying4004 said:
bro dont get me wrong......... but do u really beleive that htc is going to give us eclair in 1-2 months? i mean if they were this kind then why they dint kernel or source code for hero earlier? do u think htc will release better os for a phone which is already 7 months old rather upgrading the new released phones and releasing new handsets? bro those phone companies are here for doing business , not serving customer's after sales needs.
if u still want to wait believing that htc is ur friend then its ur call and best of luck with that. but after buying these costly handsets for last 6-7 years i know it very well that nokia, samsung, htc never going to keep their promises regarding firmwares.
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Ok i am speechless now .... i mean i have to agree with "dying4004"... These companies are really only making money and dont give a rat's ass about customer services and after sales... i mean thats the real logic behind it right... WOW u have opened my eyes dude ....
but BRO i wanted some insight into something that has been induced into our brains for so long... Without customers companies cant make money... i mean any one with a brain would obviously not go for a company that has screwed him over with false promises, right? Yet all the companies ( or should i say SATAN WORSHIPERS ) are still in the bidnes and still making money and people ( minions ) are still buying products from these companies...
i did some thinking and i remember i had a HTC diamond and the track pad was a bit faulty so i took it to the Htc service center and they REPLACED the trackpad !!! i mean what atrocity innit... EVIL EVIL EVIL ...
lolz ... dying4004 why are you against these companies and more so why are u hell bent on preaching a March-April release of Eclair for Hero.... i have seen u do that in other threads as well....
If u have had a bad experience with one of these companies, please do share coz i am begining to think that it will make for an interesting listen.

nadeemhasnaat said:
Ok i am speechless now .... i mean i have to agree with "dying4004"... These companies are really only making money and dont give a rat's ass about customer services and after sales... i mean thats the real logic behind it right... WOW u have opened my eyes dude ....
but BRO i wanted some insight into something that has been induced into our brains for so long... Without customers companies cant make money... i mean any one with a brain would obviously not go for a company that has screwed him over with false promises, right? Yet all the companies ( or should i say SATAN WORSHIPERS ) are still in the bidnes and still making money and people ( minions ) are still buying products from these companies...
i did some thinking and i remember i had a HTC diamond and the track pad was a bit faulty so i took it to the Htc service center and they REPLACED the trackpad !!! i mean what atrocity innit... EVIL EVIL EVIL ...
lolz ... dying4004 why are you against these companies and more so why are u hell bent on preaching a March-April release of Eclair for Hero.... i have seen u do that in other threads as well....
If u have had a bad experience with one of these companies, please do share coz i am begining to think that it will make for an interesting listen.
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bro i am not against all those companies. i mean then i cant use any mobile phone. i am just practical. just see how the nokia users r complaining about firmwares for their high end phones. how much craving is going within the 5800 users for kinetic scrolling. check how much impatience is going through the samsung omnia i8910 users for a single new rom. see how u guys did for the source code for hero. what i am saying is simple......... it wont be a good idea to stop development of recent hero roms just for the sake of eclair which we dont know when gets release. rest is upto u. i cant force any1 to do anything. this is simply my personal experience with mobile phone manufacturers for last 7-8 years. cheers

Great post Lox_Dev and thank you for bring all the problems to our attention. It is heartbreaking to see such a great little phone be left to stew on the few HTC "released" roms out there. I dont confess to know that much about kernel building so I wont be much help there however I do believe we as a community can get there in the end! What I'm trying to say is dont give i
Lox_Dev
behnaam
adwinp
and of course Paul from MoDaCo who first started the ball rolling
we are all behind you guys!
I know its so different from cooking Windows rom (because I've tried myself) but I think in time anything can be done and please dont be put off by the lack of responses you get on this forum.
Now onto the positive .................... Once my internet connection at home gets sorted (VirginMedia to send me a replacement modem) I'll have another look at building a linux environment and jump aboard.

dying4004 said:
it wont be a good idea to stop development of recent hero roms just for the sake of eclair which we dont know when gets release. rest is upto u.
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If you are *so* concerned, what precisely is stopping you from doing this yourself?
Note, saying you don't know how is not good enough, because it can be learned.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
If you are *so* concerned, what precisely is stopping you from doing this yourself?
Note, saying you don't know how is not good enough, because it can be learned.
Regards,
Dave
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hey bro.... exactly where did i say that i dont know how to do and stuffs?? at 1sy read then post ur comments......... and in this thread i said i am willing to donate for the work and i asked others to donate as well to contribute in the way we can.
and i have made and posted 1 theme for hero and i have made another theme and i will post it tomorow. so read before u speak.

dying4004 said:
hey bro.... exactly where did i say that i dont know how to do and stuffs?? at 1sy read then post ur comments......... and in this thread i said i am willing to donate for the work and i asked others to donate as well to contribute in the way we can.
and i have made and posted 1 theme for hero and i have made another theme and i will post it tomorow. so read before u speak.
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(My emphasis!)
You should follow your own advice!
I asked a question:
If you are *so* concerned, what precisely is stopping you from doing this yourself?
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And then said:
Note, saying you don't know how is not good enough, because it can be learned.
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This is merely pointing out that if your *answer* to my question is "I don't know how to do it", you could always learn!
Nowhere do I say that you "dont know how to do and stuffs??".
And you still haven't answered the question!
Regards,
Dave

yes i am learning and i am excercising my knowledge in makling theme for the community. at least i am doing what i can. i am even willing to donate for the devs.
and what u r doing? shouting on ppl who can do sumthing and doing nothing urself as u cant even learn and want to use others works.
go learn sumthing, show us and then shout at others.

dying4004 said:
yes i am learning and i am excercising my knowledge in makling theme for the community. at least i am doing what i can. i am even willing to donate for the devs.
and what u r doing? shouting on ppl who can do sumthing and doing nothing urself as u cant even learn and want to use others works.
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I thought that was what you were doing?
I've never "shouted" at any one, or tried to push any one into doing something that is likely to be a waste of time due to the arrival of an HTC built 2.0 and which I personally *know* is extremely difficult.
How do I know?
Because I've tried it!!!!
Here's what I have done:
1. Built an Ubuntu development environment *expressly* for these purposes.
2. Downloaded the Hero kernel sources and the stock 2.6.27 sources.
3. Diff'd the two trees to see what needs patching
4. Downloaded the 2.6.29 kernel sources
5. Attemped to apply the patch from (3) to 2.6.29
6. Built the kernel
7. Put in on my phone, with the CleanION ROM.
8. Watched in awe as it just hung as the boot splash screen until I pulled the battery out.
Note that even getting the AOSP kernel source from the git repos proved to a hellishly time consuming task because the repos kept timing out and/or refusing connection!
Despite my efforts, I've not turned up *any* tangible results, which is why I've not bothered to mention them here. I'm at the point now where I don't know if I want to commit any further time and effort on what is essentially a fools errand. I'm not saying that my efforts were anything particularly "special", but certainly I can say with absolutely honesty that I've tried!
When Lox_Dev says "To port the changes to 2.6.29 kernel sources, we need an expert kernel developer witch our hero dev community lacks", I know for a fact that this is true, so it is getting quite irritating to keep hearing people who "don't know" telling those of us who "do know" that we should all be getting together to make it work!
So, in absolutely no way am I "shouting on ppl who can do sumthing and doing nothing urself as u cant even learn and want to use others works", because I have already expended far more time and effort than most.
go learn sumthing, show us and then shout at others.
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Once again, I suggest that you take your own advice!
regards,
Dave

I'm all for working on porting AOSP Sapphire to the Hero, but some of us need a bit more guidance on getting their development/cooking environment set up. There's a shocking amount of information out there, and it makes breaking into the 'scene' a bit difficult.
Accelerometer should be the focus of our work (in my opinion) since without the keyboard, it's really hard to get some things done in the portrait mode. I'd love to focus on that, since the Google ION Rom with Donut makes me incredibly happy, with that exception.

okay, bros, just to contribute a little bit:
http://www.youtube.com/v/FLRqOuB798A
Seeing that, and imagining it's working 100% and running on our Hero's, really makes me hard.
We will get there. But yes, the path will be difficult. I also want to donate btw.
Anyway, HTC indeed doesn't give a F--- about our android OS. they will release 800*480 handsets in 1-3 months, and maybe won't even port the UI elements to our resolution/hero.
In a way, we are F---ed, we have a very old android handset, with not even half the capabilities of new ones like the droid or upcoming x10 or HTC handsets. And without the knowledge to port all of the new kernels (with parts missing, ie; the hero kernel supposedly had parts missing) they phone might even grow older every month. I a way I should be happy I payed 340 Euro instead of 480 or something..
So yeah, in a way I believe that the handset will be discontinued very shortly. The G1 has the community to back it up, people had it for more than a year and grew attached to it. The Hero does not have that luxury.
So while the hope lies in you, developers; aside from 'homebrew' i'm afraid the future is very bleak. HTC wants your money. They can target little girls tomorrow and kids who just want a 'cool' phone, and we will be left in the cold for children who get a new phone with the contract every year.
So power to the developers!

CDMA Hero Devs have a Working AOSP FroYo ROM - Port?

Can a dev port it over?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=686893
We don't want to be behind the CDMA Hero...

now that would be great, but tbh we've been behind the CDMA hero for ages lol

Arrgh! At villainrom they're almost ready to release a 0.1 version of Froyo for GSM Hero! But...COME ON! They keep saying they can't get the mic working...When on CDMA EVERYTHING works except for GPS and Camera (the same problems we had with the first 2.1 cooked roms). I really hope they decided to release an ALL-WORKING version...Otherwise...I don't know what to think...

No Devs want to work together.
So they always can not get everything working at the sametime.

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Froyvillaino.1 we have been waiting for since just after robin ported n1 FR50...Prepare to wait a whil elonger i think!

I am working on a Cronos Froyo build also. Fully compiled from the 2.2 sources.

I, I, I...Guys I really don't want to shoot out advices...But it wouldn't be so bad if you all share your efforts to create a unique solution a.k.a. ROM! I really believe in the team-work!

Check that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=704561&page=6#post6972487

Teamwork!
mardurhack said:
I, I, I...Guys I really don't want to shoot out advices...But it wouldn't be so bad if you all share your efforts to create a unique solution a.k.a. ROM! I really believe in the team-work!
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I completely agree. It would be much better to work together in getting the hardware working and then to split off to do your own roms based on that.
Lots of devs = lots of features!

42turkeys said:
I completely agree. It would be much better to work together in getting the hardware working and then to split off to do your own roms based on that.
Lots of devs = lots of features!
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I second that

can i install this cdma rom on my gsm hero, without breaking it and use it in the netherlands?

samm000 said:
can i install this cdma rom on my gsm hero, without breaking it and use it in the netherlands?
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The rom it links to is FOR CDMA HEROS.
Your Hero is A GSM HERO.
DO NOT FLASH IT!
Never flash a rom if it's not for your phone. Sorry to shout but this is the No. 2 cause of bricking (Behind impatient users during radio flash)

42turkeys said:
The rom it links to is FOR CDMA HEROS.
Your Hero is A GSM HERO.
DO NOT FLASH IT!
Never flash a rom if it's not for your phone. Sorry to shout but this is the No. 2 cause of bricking (Behind impatient users during radio flash)
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thnx a lot!!!
i'm happy you shout becouse i have be warned now

Here's hoping this will have the answer to getting the mic working...

42turkeys said:
I completely agree. It would be much better to work together in getting the hardware working and then to split off to do your own roms based on that.
Lots of devs = lots of features!
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Teamwork means NO competition. Here its all about competition - who will be the 1st to release most stable, coolest, capable ROM on xda. Its like a gang wars.
edit: and I like it, have more ROMs to try

whitealien said:
Teamwork means NO competition. Here its all about competition - who will be the 1st to release most stable, coolest, capable ROM on xda. Its like a gang wars.
edit: and I like it, have more ROMs to try
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I like the competition, what I'm taking about is devs getting together to get froyo running, then splitting off to make their own roms.

I think the devs can better work alone and share their work so other devs can play with it and make things better. We're saying that a community rom is better, but we havent seen one? There are tons of official 2.1 roms here, who needs all those. A froyo rom is much more interesting and as you can see, the cdma guys are really far, and maybe you, devs, can port it. Good luck.

thing is - if nobody has gotten the mic working yet, then nobody will get it working if they sit together and try to figure it out.
I would think it's like that anyway.
I know that more minds working together are better than fewer. however the mic not working cant' be a simple problem if nobody has worked it out yet. I know that not all rom builders are actually programmers - many are just really comfortable with computers and with the linux os and so on. but still, with source code available, a programmer who's comfortable with that source code (and I acknowledge that I'm not - and I'm a middle aged senior software developer... but much of the android source I've glanced through so far is unreadable to me LoL...).. anyway, so if a programmer who's comfortable with that code could peruse it for a while they might well be able to solve the problem. But what I really expect is that it will take google releasing a working mic library for froyo for hero gsm piece of the puzzle somehow - maybe an internal google person building it for the community and releasing it anonymously, that has happened in the past I would guess.
so it could take time.
but maybe some genius with the android source like cyanogen will take the time and have the know how to solve the mystery. surely the hero is the #1 android phone still out there...
judging from the community here it seems really popular still.
and to think, I just got a hero a few months back (and one for my wife) because they were only $25 at future shop when we renewed our accounts and we wanted iphones but couldn't afford them LoL
if I'd known anything about android then I'd have been all over these babies without a second thought - instead I had to research and took a leap of faith that the future shop guy was steering us in the right direction (thank you future shop guy - or I mean, former future shop guy (he doesn't work there any more)!
cheers

Want to remind you..

Hey guys,
As you have probably noticed, the development at the desire has quite "stopped"
Many devs are really "busy" and others have abandoned the desire.
The ONLY working dev is Coolexe or MichaelM.
I personally think it's time to move on to a next device.
What you guys think?
Will there come more desire devs? or will this be the "end"?
Bout kernels: Once they told us, when open source kernel is released, the desire will be muchhhhh better, but I personally think there hasn't change much!
Kernels are still not as they should be, 1 kernel got lockscreen lag or batt drain, others freeze. Know what imsaying?
I'm not saying the devs are that bad, but this is the end to me I think.
Share you'r opinion below!
//
Nick

I couldn't agree more!

nickislauw said:
The ONLY working dev is Coolexe or MichaelM.
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Complete fabrication! What about Kali-, RichardTrip and myself?

rootSU said:
Complete fabrication! What about Kali-, RichardTrip and myself?
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kali isn't really a dev? he's just posting the CM builds.
Richardtrip only updates his rom when there's a new cm build, so not very interesting too!
And you'r latest update was 22 sept
Think you have to agree me ;$

nickislauw said:
kali isn't really a dev? he's just posting the CM builds.
Richardtrip only updates his rom when there's a new cm build, so not very interesting too!
And you'r latest update was 22 sept
Think you have to agree me ;$
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ooooh 1 whole month ago. Actually I am working on a build now but quality is more important to me than getting out updates every 2 days.
But to say there are only 2 devs working on the desire is completely wrong and I find your posts not only offensive but also inaccurate and counter productive.
Edit> Also forgot to mention Droidzone and Sibere, then all the kernel devs. not all devs build roms.
And Kali- is a dev,. he doesn't just "post builds" if you look at his git hub you can see his commits,.
Worst thread ever!

Well I see it more dimensional:
1. Sense: it seems like really slowed down a bit, but on the other hand Sense 3.5 was available very quickly. Dridzone is also contributing here (piety he resists newer Sense for now).
2. ASOP: CM7 + bunch of other ROMs - well CM is stable, rest is fluctuating (for me it is only CM that seems interesting)
3. MIUI: active
Actually now is the time to wait for ICS sourcecode to enable further milestone. I guess Sense will decrease in popularity with ICS based CM9 released. For me the only thing thet stops me from CM7 as daily are Exchange ActiveSync issues.
Piety that for few days now both Coolexe and michelm_007 remain silent. Anyway DHD seems to be the main driver of HTC community - Desire seems to rather follow, not drive progress (in matter of new sense porting). Tha is basically due to small internal memory that is the main step to consider when porting some new ROMS. The speed issue due to obsolete platform (CPU/GPU) is also stronger here from DHD, so it really is the fade out period for the Sense on Desire. Next Sense will most likely be even more difficult to be run smoothly...

Sense will gain popularity again when Sense 4.0 on top of Android 4.0 D) will be released.

Dont see that running on the trusty Desire though

RootSU,
I didn't want to be rude,
But I think you understand that this desire community isn't how its supposed to be.
You have to agree that the BEST devs abonded, like baadnewz, robocik, leedroid (comes back)
It's not completely dead but its silent here in the rom section.
Hope you understand my point

I understand that the desire is phasing out. I only debate the fact that there are only 2 active devs. I just think you're exaggerating the situation, be that knowingly or otherwise.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

nickislauw said:
RootSU,
You have to agree that the BEST devs abonded, like baadnewz, robocik, leedroid (comes back)
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How rude are you to the devs who are still supporting the Desire???
If you're unhappy with what's happening here, go play somewhere else. Don't insult the devs who are still working hard on Desire roms.

zedmarcus said:
How rude are you to the devs who are still supporting the Desire???
If you're unhappy with what's happening here, go play somewhere else. Don't insult the devs who are still working hard on Desire roms.
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Cmon read the whole thread man!

rootSU said:
I understand that the desire is phasing out. I only debate the fact that there are only 2 active devs. I just think you're exaggerating the situation, be that knowingly or otherwise.
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Yeah ok 2 isn't right.
But there were MUCH more devs, and many of them are gone.

nickislauw said:
Cmon read the whole thread man!
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I read the whole thread man, and you were insulting from your first post to your last.

nickislauw said:
Yeah ok 2 isn't right.
But there were MUCH more devs, and many of them are gone.
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isnt it logical that people move on to new devices, including the devs? no point stating the obvious in a thread here... just stick with whats left of the desire community, start developing yourself or abandon ship and go for a newer device... you should at least be thankful for all that has been done for our awesome device so far...
*note* im not bashing you in any way, its just that i think the way you wrote the OP is pointless. you can move on to a Nexus device where the development doesnt stop till the devs faint from working overtime...
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zedmarcus said:
I read the whole thread man, and you were insulting from your first post to your last.
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What, your girlfriend didn't give you sex?

rootSU said:
I understand that the desire is phasing out. I only debate the fact that there are only 2 active devs. I just think you're exaggerating the situation, be that knowingly or otherwise.
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He is right about one thing, though. Kernels still sucks even months after release of source code.

Terepin said:
He is right about one thing, though. Kernels still sucks even months after release of source code.
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This. I even flashed AuraxTSense again for a brief period before changing ship to aosp because of this.
It is only natural that people continue developing elsewhere, depending on where they upgraded. You can't expect them to support old device like you can't expect from HTC. Neither party involved has superhuman abilities, so I can't say anything but great thanks for making Desire more pleasurable to use than it already was.
The thing that concerns me are the reasons both Neophyte and AdamG went. Rapid deterioration of community and quality of information available in the period of last 12 months. Both these great devs went explicitly because of that (one for good and one to his respective forum).

Terepin said:
What, your girlfriend didn't give you sex?
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lolz... Terepin trying to make up for his small weiner again

Oh no this all cant be true! I have finally rooted and put my first rom on.....only took me about 18 months. Ah well, a few months time and it will be upgrade time. Still, for me it seems so new.

[Q] Is the DHD Dev threads dying

I've been noticing a lot of ROM's not updating. And recently the ICS port from the RCMix Sensation has been stopped and closed. Is their still hope, or is it time to upgrade to a newer phone.

Not sure what you consider alot, but I.just glanced in the Dev section and quite a few have had updates of within the past two weeks(I counted 10 +). That seems pretty active to me
Plus just because a rom hasn't been updated recently doesn't mean its not being worked on

fielddb said:
I've been noticing a lot of ROM's not updating. And recently the ICS port from the RCMix Sensation has been stopped and closed. Is their still hope, or is it time to upgrade to a newer phone.
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Not updating doesnt mean that they (devs) are not working anymore, It means that their ROM doesnt have any bugs or problems and is stable and doesnt require any changes.
Thats what most of the ROM devs will say.

Hmmm a question thread that was not posted in the Q&A forum?
Ill move it this time

You'd consider buying a new phone just because (some) threads on a forum aren't experiencing a massive amount of traffic in a holiday period?
*facepalm*

Not considered a question because it also what you think.. is it dying or not.
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I understand what u mean and I would say yes
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It only dies if people allow it. It has become far to common that people wait for others do it instead of learning to do it themselfs. If you want something cool and new dig in and make something new. That is the point of a development forum to help others learn and share tips. Developers are not special. They just have the drive to make their device theirs.

I had another read of the op, like the ics sense is coming back, I've been working on it and other things, in a way dhd is dying and in a way it isnt if that makes sense, alot of new devices gets released n when that happens everyone usually wants something new and cool, devs want to develop on a newer phone see what it can handle performance wise etc
If I'm still here when sense 4.0 drops then yeah I'll most likely be bringing it to DHD first (as thats the phone I have)

Yea i totally agree with what you are saying zelendel

shaky156 said:
I had another read of the op, like the ics sense is coming back, I've been working on it and other things, in a way dhd is dying and in a way it isnt if that makes sense, alot of new devices gets released n when that happens everyone usually wants something new and cool, devs want to develop on a newer phone see what it can handle performance wise etc
If I'm still here when sense 4.0 drops then yeah I'll most likely be bringing it to DHD first (as thats the phone I have)
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i have a question for you shaky.
i was following your thread, and i did notice that you were postponing it. but you completely got rid of the thread. why is that?

fielddb said:
i have a question for you shaky.
i was following your thread, and i did notice that you were postponing it. but you completely got rid of the thread. why is that?
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The thread is still there, you just can't see it
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hide and go seek is not fun on the internet

Haha its not like its fully stopped, I'm working on it along with other things
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Patience is a virtue

Y2KoaS said:
Patience is a virtue
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Seems that many people consider that virtue to be terribly overrated.

dannorth said:
Seems that many people consider that virtue to be terribly overrated.
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your reply is a total win!

patience friends as you may see surprises in the dhd threads and i know there is some poor people who cant afford a new phone as a matter of fact there is a lot of devs working hardly not to mention that there is a whole new devices who attrack people more from our beloved dhd we have a great team working like the CM team some dev did abondan us maybe but there is others coming and in a large choice of phones u wont expect regular updates this is not iphone this is android everyday new phones are released not to mention how hard a dev work could be and evantually the updates includes updates off apps so it sounds unecessary but we here are brothers and we can work together and most important is to wait you will never know whats comming regards my friends

Ahh its not dieing..the desire section which i used to have is still banging away
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marsdta said:
Not sure what you consider alot, but I.just glanced in the Dev section and quite a few have had updates of within the past two weeks(I counted 10 +). That seems pretty active to me
Plus just because a rom hasn't been updated recently doesn't mean its not being worked on
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Exactly.
Greets from an hd2 dev!
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Development so far on our beloved One X. Your opinions

Basically as the title of the thread says. How do you guys feel so far in regarding the development of the phone?
Do you guys think we shall be seeing more devs coming to us and building fantastic roms? What in regards when the kernel source drops? Or do you feel that the S3 will get the most development?
I for one i am really happy with how things have started. From reading our devs are the best in the business from the HTC side and we have some of the big names. But are more going to come or what would you guys like to see?
Want to say many thanks for our good devs in making our device better and i just hope the development carries on and we have more devs coming to us even though the S3 is out as well.
What you guys think?

I've got Insertcoin, that's all I need!
In all seriousness, once the kernel source drops, I'm sure show-p and faux123 will be all over it. I very much look forward to that!

Considering the very short amount of time the phone has been available to the public, I don't think we could ask for more!

As I said when I first got this phone, the devs we have here are a who's who of my favourites dating back to the Tytn II: LeeDroid, Baad, monx, VillianRom, Core Droid, Mike1986.... also some promising 'new' devs such as J4n87.
All is looking well.
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Also really happy so far, but I'm curious about the kernel source. How long does HTC tend to wait until they release it? Can we expect it within a few weeks or are we talking months? Or might they never release it? :O
Also, does anyone know exactly what they're waiting for? Ie, why didn't they release it simultaneously with the phone?
Cheers!

Fruktsallad said:
Also really happy so far, but I'm curious about the kernel source. How long does HTC tend to wait until they release it? Can we expect it within a few weeks or are we talking months? Or might they never release it? :O
Also, does anyone know exactly what they're waiting for? Ie, why didn't they release it simultaneously with the phone?
Cheers!
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Not sure how long it would take for them to release it my friend. Would of thought it would of been with the release of the phone but we can only hope like in a few weeks..
And yeah i am more than happy with the development so far. Many big time players in our forums. Just feel once the source drops then kernels will drop as well..Thanks guys for your opinions so far.. Do you guys feel that we might see AOSP roms one day?

Fruktsallad said:
Also really happy so far, but I'm curious about the kernel source. How long does HTC tend to wait until they release it? Can we expect it within a few weeks or are we talking months? Or might they never release it? :O
Also, does anyone know exactly what they're waiting for? Ie, why didn't they release it simultaneously with the phone?
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I`m sure Lee said in his thread that they had 90 days to release the source..i hope it comes sooner than that so the devs can rip it apart and build a better kernel.

From my understanding there's still a lot of unknowns surrounding the kernel and the proprietary drivers, not to mention s-off. I'm confident the devs are all over it like a cheap suit but HTC have done some things differently with the One series which has resulted in some intense chin stroking.
I think once these issues have been overcome (and it will be, its a when not an if) we'll see a lot more community development.
Personally I can't wait to run CyanogenMod on this beast.
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Doombadger said:
From my understanding there's still a lot of unknowns surrounding the kernel and the proprietary drivers, not to mention s-off. I'm confident the devs are all over it like a cheap suit but HTC have done some things differently with the One series which has resulted in some intense chin stroking.
I think once these issues have been overcome (and it will be, its a when not an if) we'll see a lot more community development.
Personally I can't wait to run CyanogenMod on this beast.
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i am with you on that brother..i want to be running cm9 on this bad boy

HOX is the future at least for next 2 years.. HOX will eventually get all the attention the Desire has been getting till now.. Now the question is will the Desire lose it's attention?
Fyi, I've upgraded from Desire..

NoobTerminator said:
Not sure how long it would take for them to release it my friend. Would of thought it would of been with the release of the phone but we can only hope like in a few weeks..
And yeah i am more than happy with the development so far. Many big time players in our forums. Just feel once the source drops then kernels will drop as well..Thanks guys for your opinions so far.. Do you guys feel that we might see AOSP roms one day?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the One X isn't running on a Full ICS kernel, It's a Gingerbread Kernel of sorts right?
(due to the first time using Tegra 3?)
If so, my theory would be that they're working on a Full ICS kernel and then releasing the source.
Of course, I'm a noob and I could be talking balls.

fade2blak said:
HOX is the future at least for next 2 years.. HOX will eventually get all the attention the Desire has been getting till now.. Now the question is will the Desire lose it's attention?
Fyi, I've upgraded from Desire..
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i hope it gets more loving..i know it is only been a month but still..i am a very flash addict...can not settle on a rom..they are all freaking good

TommUK said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the One X isn't running on a Full ICS kernel, It's a Gingerbread Kernel of sorts right?
(due to the first time using Tegra 3?)
If so, my theory would be that they're working on a Full ICS kernel and then releasing the source.
Of course, I'm a noob and I could be talking balls.
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you are probably right..was reading it on another thread the same thing..kinda odd if you ask me though for them to do that...we can only wait and see

My One X is the first Android I have ever had and I am new to the whole development and custom ROM community. I have nothing to compare it to but what I have seen is quite amazing.
There is plenty of custom roms already, mike is pushing new versions of he's amazing rom every other week, and he also announced that they will be working together with faux to improve our one x experience once the kernel source is available. And what I have read about faux, i am pretty happy about the future of my One X