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Amon_RA on Espresso

Is there a download for the RA recovery for the slide I've been messin around with all this modding stuff since I got the phone and the only thing I haven't used is the amon_ra recovery. Can someone tell me how to use it thank you.
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Not yet. The standard recovery loading clockwork as an update.zip is all we have so far.

But you can use ClockWork Rom Manager and install the recovery image for HTC Aria. It has a few more options than the normal update zip. Also clicking on Reboot into Recovery works with that recovery image and boot straight into it. Rom Manager is a paid program, but well worth the money.

Its really not that hard to root dude im 15 and i was use do the amon ra but after a while clockwork rooting is all about patience :] and it made me feel accomplished and if i remember correctly you had to change the spl for amon and that killed a few pplz g1s

TakoLuffer said:
Its really not that hard to root dude im 15 and i was use do the amon ra but after a while clockwork rooting is all about patience :] and it made me feel accomplished and if i remember correctly you had to change the spl for amon and that killed a few pplz g1s
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Not true. The G1 bricks were caused by flashing the "danger" SPL before flashing the correct radio during the original root process. Also, the stock SPL on the G1 was read/write which allowed a custom recovery once rooted. HTC lately, for whatever reason, has decided to make their SPL's read only which is why we can't flash a recovery.

Hmmmmm yes I agree and well I guess I learned somethin new.
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What do I do now?

Okay, first timer here and I have a few questions. I just completed rooting my phone via Simple Root. My build number is now 1.17.651.1.
My questions are as follows:
1) Now that I am rooted, what installation files can I delete from my SD Card?
2) I see that I need to do a recovery flash, do I do this immediately? What one do you recommend?
3) After I do the flash, are there any others files I need to install before I do a custom rom?
4) Which custom rom do you recommend?
5) Am I leaving anything else out that I forgot?
Thank you so much in advance!

SHicks18 said:
Okay, first timer here and I have a few questions. I just completed rooting my phone via Simple Root. My build number is now 1.17.651.1.
My questions are as follows:
1) Now that I am rooted, what installation files can I delete from my SD Card?
2) I see that I need to do a recovery flash, do I do this immediately? What one do you recommend?
3) After I do the flash, are there any others files I need to install before I do a custom rom?
4) Which custom rom do you recommend?
5) Am I leaving anything else out that I forgot?
Thank you so much in advance!
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After you have rooted you can delete nearly anything you want, I wouldn't suggest doing it because I doubt you know what to do. But you do have the freedom to..
I would suggest you flash a recovery as soon as possible. It makes life easier. The two most common recovery are Amon Ra And clockwork.. I use amon Ra just because it had a better wipe feature but clockwork is used in rom manAger (look in to it).
After rooting you can look into upgrading your radio and your wimax and your kernal.
Custom roms are like sneakers, They all have different purpose and size. The most common ones are damagedcontrol and fresh. Do your research and experiment and find your sneaker. You can also just wait til the official stable cm6 comes out. For now I use fresh.
Try oUt some themes and different apps that are for rooted devices only. And there us always something neiw to do with your evo.
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I am in the same boat as OP. I managed to make my way through SimpleRoot. But I am having a heck of a time digging through the forums to figure out what to do next. I feel like kind of an idiot, but I have no idea how to set up my backup/recovery "amon ra" right? And then I'd like to install the rooted 1.47 build and update my radio and wimax. Any direction would be VERY appreciated.

Thanks for the reply. Mind pointing me in the right direction for the radio kernel and wimax?

I'm new to this too. Read up a lot first. Easy root looks to make it pretty easy, but I learned more doing it the hard way. Used the two part method in dev section, by toast I think, with adb, nand unlock and all. Helps to understand the odd file structure, and what different parts do. You have to try things too, and just hope you don't f up. Using cm6 now and its pretty cool. Have fun man.
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Liked he said read. And do a lot of it. Last thing you want is to brick your phone
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gangsterholla179 said:
I would suggest you flash a recovery as soon as possible. It makes life easier. The two most common recovery are Amon Ra And clockwork.. I use amon Ra just because it had a better wipe feature but clockwork is used in rom manAger (look in to it).
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What's wrong with Clockwork's wipe feature?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734564&highlight=clockwork
Also, as for flashing a recovery, if you install ROM Manager from the market, it will give you an option to flash either Clockwork or Amon RA. It will stay there even if you flash new ROMs later, though there's a quirk where a new ROM Manager install will ask you to flash recovery, but then if one is already there it won't really change it, it just needs to see it to believe it.
Installing new files won't make a difference if you switch ROMs. It wipes your data when you re-flash, so you'll lose it all anyway (unless you back up your apps with Titanium Backup or MyBackup). All you need is a recovery installed - and I actually recommend Clockwork, but only because I use it myself and I have no problems with it - and you can reboot into it, install a new ROM, and start playing. I've never flashed from ROM Manager, even though it gives the option, but I imagine it does the same thing, but runs it automatically after a recovery reboot.
Read the "favorite ROM" thread with the poll attached, lots of good ROM recommendations in there. I'll say it once more: I'm using Fresh 1.0.1 and netarchy's 3.7.3c kernel (Fresh-compatible version). It's so fast and smooth.
If you like your current setup but want to try a new ROM, use ROM Manager (or Clockwork as a recovery reboot) to do a Clockwork backup. That way you can return to your current state if you want to. It's basically a system image that you can restore.
Here's one helpful page to start with.
And have fun.

Back on fresh 0.5.3, clockwork was not doing a great job with the wipe, causing the boot to loop. I believe it wasn't completely wiping the dalik cache.
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[Q] Clockwork Mod broken?

I clockwork mod but whenever i reboot to recovery, its the vanilla type, not clockwork, i have to flash update.zip from SD, and when clockwork comes up, if i press power to select, the screen just goes blank. press power again, clockwork main menu comes back up. what gives?

Wrong Forum.
Questions belong in Q&A.

Flash it via ROM Manager.

Excellent value add
Unknownforce said:
Wrong Forum.
Questions belong in Q&A.
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I would flash RA recovery as I have found this is the most dependable
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xlGmanlx said:
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I would flash RA recovery as I have found this is the most dependable
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I would flash Clockwork as I have found it to be problem-free and easy to navigate using one button at a time.
Personal preference.

I agree its still about preference but clockwork had proven to not wipe properly, and some devs suggest using armon. Either way happy flashing
SilverZero said:
I would flash Clockwork as I have found it to be problem-free and easy to navigate using one button at a time.
Personal preference.
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+1 AmonRA recovery

+1,000,000,000,001 clockwork recovery.

i use both I ahve had problems where with AMon it gives an error doing a nand restore soemthign abotu running it form windows. but never have the issue with clockwork. I have the update.zip for clockwork so i use amon to boot into and wipe then clock work to nand and flash.
I am weird i guess

xlGmanlx said:
I agree its still about preference but clockwork had proven to not wipe properly, and some devs suggest using armon. Either way happy flashing
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Do you have a citation for this proof?

SilverZero said:
Do you have a citation for this proof?
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In the OP for Netarchy's kernal. the Snap or the 2.2 fps fix kernal. He states that clockwork does not wipe dalvik and data completely and recommends amon ra. I myself use clockwork and have never had a problem.

runningwarrior08 said:
In the OP for Netarchy's kernal. the Snap or the 2.2 fps fix kernal. He states that clockwork does not wipe dalvik and data completely and recommends amon ra. I myself use clockwork and have never had a problem.
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Whatever happened to the scientific method? People will believe anything these days.
I'll do a test today (again) and share my results.

SilverZero said:
Whatever happened to the scientific method? People will believe anything these days.
I'll do a test today (again) and share my results.
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No i do believe in scientific method, I have tried both and found no error with clockwork, that is why I still use it.
I was just answering his question

Both are better then I could ever do =)
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I had the dark cherry theme for CM6 RC1 installed on my phone and then went on to the nightlies. Tried to factory reset / dalvik twice before installing the nightly to make sure the theme was gone. When i finished the nightly, the icons that were replaced by the theme were still there, so no, clockwork doesn't wipe completely, it wipes, just not absolutely everything it should. Using latest version via rom manager.

[Q] Is it safe for me to use Clockwork? If not, what next?

So I got my Evo in November. I was lucky enough to get HW003, so back in Nov, I used Unrevoked (and Forever, I think?). It looks like it all went fine, 4G has been working and I'm fully root'ed. Now I'm ready to jump over to Fresh, but I'm reading these threads about problems with Clockwork. I feel dumb, but I'm a little confused now. Is it safe for me to continue using Clockwork, as installed by Unrevoked? Or do I need to jump over to Amon Ra before I start doing anything? If that's the case, is there a best way to do that? Thanks in advance.
Baseband: 2.15.00.09.01
Software: 3.29.651.5
PRI: 1.77_003
PRL: 60671
H_BOOT: .97

You'll be fine using clockwork. The only problem with clockwork is that it occasionally doesn't clear cache and dalvik perfectly. I've been rooted and using CW for a LONG time. Trust me, it's safe

Cw is safe enough (although most probably use ar), but make sure you have at least one backup done with ar. Cw doesn't back up your wimax image. Ar does, and you may need it someday.
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ClockworkMod is not safe if you were to (accidentally) upgrade your hboot. Best to just stick with Amon_RA anyways, since it works properly.
(And to be honest, if you need ROM Manager to flash ROMs, you probably shouldn't have rooted your phone in the first place.)

Thanks guys. Looks like I may as well just move forward with Amon Ra.

drmacinyasha said:
ClockworkMod is not safe if you were to (accidentally) upgrade your hboot. Best to just stick with Amon_RA anyways, since it works properly.
(And to be honest, if you need ROM Manager to flash ROMs, you probably shouldn't have rooted your phone in the first place.)
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The partitions on newer phones is the issue. You can use clockwork if you have older hardware and older camera chip. Just upgrading hboot does not change your partition sizes. I have gone from hboot 0.97 to 2.10 and back down to 0.76 with a launch day evo and partitions stayed the same.
If clockwork worked on your phone before it will also work now. If you have a newer phone with new camera chip there is a high chance that your phone has a different partition setup than the older phones and using clockwork or even regualr Amon-Ra will equally break the phone. There is only ONE version of Amon-Ra that works for these phones and the flashable zip can be found in Zikronix's root thread for hboot 2.02 and 2.10 phones.

leenypost said:
If clockwork worked on your phone before it will also work now.
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I used to agree with you, but not any more. For me, clockwork worked most of the time, but when the possibility is a bricked phone, most of the time is just not good enough. On the other hand, Amon_Ra works 100% of the time.
Frankly, Clockwork might be ok for flashing a rom, but I would never use it to flash radios or pri. As far as I am concerned it just doesn't work reliably enough to use it for anything important. So for me clockwork is pretty much useless. The only reason I keep it on my phone is that I paid five bucks for it, and it is the most convenient way to fix permissions.
For the record, I have had my 002 Evo since launch day. Rooted it using the original toast method. The first app I bought was Clockwork, which I used exclusively for about a month. After the second time a flash through clockwork went bad, I switched to Amon_Ra and have never had a bad flash since. Additionally, a nand backup through Amon_Ra backs up your RSA keys, Clockwork does not.

Ive always like Amon Ra better, only time I used Clockwork was to flash Amon Ra lol

mattfury said:
So I got my Evo in November. I was lucky enough to get HW003, so back in Nov, I used Unrevoked (and Forever, I think?). It looks like it all went fine, 4G has been working and I'm fully root'ed. Now I'm ready to jump over to Fresh, but I'm reading these threads about problems with Clockwork. I feel dumb, but I'm a little confused now. Is it safe for me to continue using Clockwork, as installed by Unrevoked? Or do I need to jump over to Amon Ra before I start doing anything? If that's the case, is there a best way to do that? Thanks in advance.
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If you want to switch to RA an easy way is to download Rom Manager from the market. There is an option in the app to flash to RA. After that, you can just uninstall Rom Manager since it only works with CW.

[Q] Recoveries

My first question is, why does the Incredible need two recoveries? When I came from my other phone, Amon Ra was far superior to CWM and it appears the same with the Incredible, so why do the Devs design everything to work with CWM? Next question is what's the difference? They both are suppose to do wipes,flashes,backups,restores etc etc..so why would one work when dealing with certain ROMs and the other would not?

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My first question is, why does the Incredible need two recoveries? When I came from my other phone, Amon Ra was far superior to CWM and it appears the same with the Incredible, so why do the Devs design everything to work with CWM? Next question is what's the difference? They both are suppose to do wipes,flashes,backups,restores etc etc..so why would one work when dealing with certain ROMs and the other would not?
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It dosen't need two, but choice is good.
There isnt much difference. Cwm is easier to navigate, and has a few more options than amon. Also cwm is needed for rom manager which is a pretty popular app.
Both amon and cwm should work with all roms or mods, but since most devs use cwm when building their mods and roms they sugest you use it too because that way they know it should work since thats their setup. I know the fresh roms for the evo require amon ra for their updater app.

Actually CWM is prevalent over AmonRa on the Incredible...that's why devs design for that. AmonRa is there, yes, but CWM is what (at least as far as I know, I could be wrong, I don't speak for anyone but myself) most people use. Just look at signatures. Most say their recovery is CWM 3.x or 5.x.

I see what you're saying. I never had luck with Rom Manager, and I did use CWM for a while but to me Amon Ra has more options and is way faster. I would think for noobs that CWM would be better. When I first rooted my first phone I used the crap out of Rom Manager lol. Now I don't use that app. Thanks for the input though.