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To admins and mods: NEW XDA PORTAL IS AWESOME!!!

Hello
I just wanted to say thank you..
The new portal looks totally awesome
Whole site's new features are very usefull and it is very good
THANKS!!!

+1. Looks much better than before. Not to sound unappreciative, but can we maybe get a slicker looking skin for the vbulletin too?

I don't know if it is just me, of the portal looks like something out of engadget.com (Overrated and super biased towards everything Apple). I really don't like it that much although it is much cleaner and simple.
Just a personal opinion.

lemonspeakers said:
I don't know if it is just me, of the portal looks like something out of engadget.com (Overrated and super biased towards everything Apple). I really don't like it that much although it is much cleaner and simple.
Just a personal opinion.
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well the only thing I would change is the color scheme...
I kinda like black and blue...
and maybe the logo could be different...but apart from these, the new portal is totally awesome....very informative, I like the top threads and devices panel...really nice work guys!
Maybe you can make an XDA-developers logo contest...there sure are a lot of graphic artists here (I am myself)...so everyone can contribute and we can have some challenge and fun
What do you think?

Yeah, a logo contest would be great, there are indeed many talented people here. Also the design is a bit simplistic, not bad but could be better .
But do you really think Wordpress is good for such a big site, where there eventually should be user-submission, categorization and much more? Drupal or perhaps a custom CMS seems much better suited, I think.

Glad you guys generally like it. Coming up with a design to please as many people as possible was no easy task and we went through many versions. The front page is currently in beta mode, so not everything is working or looks right.
Our next project is a redesign of the forum to correspond with the new portal. That launch is a couple of weeks (or a bit more) away.

The new interface look wicked.
Thanks for all the work in throwing this together!
Knoc.

New Portal Launches Today
Congrats XDA!!!
Great young fresh looking!!!!
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The echo system for comments makes me think of pocketnow.com
Great work guys! Tbh, the site was beginning to look ancient. Next a better forum skin

I guess with mass appeal comes mass market looks
My immediate suggestion is to lighten the main menu bar from the very dark brown to something more like the forums main menu color. It's easier on the eyes and brings the right amount of focus to it. Just like the pic attached.

I honestly don't like the look at all. It's too engadgety. I want this to be our OWN SITE! Something that includes everyone and not just Apple products.
Is it just me or doesn't the portal looks similar? Anyone?
Search bar, name font, menu links? Wow.
Maybe if we had a XDA-Developers logo contest, that'd be great. Really.
Please let us have a constest to design a better logo at least. Admins can set parameters such a colors and font size... etc...

New portal looks awesome especially compared to before! Great work....

+1 Plz dont mind i love xda so i want to be honest.... i also didnt liked the new theme or whatsoever.... it looks like a white page in which some thing is written not organised...
Plz change it and also the comment system extra that also should be changed i dont want it to be like other sites.... let xda be unique..

I think it looks great, and I also like the logo ... It's true, svetius, when tinkering with a site this huge, the # of opinions and disappointments you're going to get is huge.
Not that it matters re people's differing tastes and preferences, but for what it's worth, svetius, I'm also a UX Designer, and I think you've done a really clean job.

*BORAT* Whoa whoa whoa. How can I a get to this magical wizard portal?!

This is my 1st post, just wanted to say how useful this site is. Iv been educating myself about Android for the last 3 months, finally ordered myself a Hero today, i knew it was time to register.
1st thing I wanted to do was to say a big thanks but wasn't quite sure where to put it, thought this thread would be the most appropriate, appologies if there is an 'introductions' thread I missed.
Well im off to download all the tools i'l need for rooting and flashing roms now, hopefully my spanking new Hero will be here by Friday?
Wish me luck,... And once again, big up to all the mods and everyone who contributes to the forum.
Peace.

What software does it use? I have a Vbulletin forum and would love this kind of front page portal

ijob said:
What software does it use? I have a Vbulletin forum and would love this kind of front page portal
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Simple wordpress!

Thank you system is unbalanced

The "thank you" system currently seems to be unbalanced. The problem is, users who make up cool stuff that isn't actually tested are getting voted quickly (without question), because many of them act as though they were properly tested in the past (but haven't). There is no means to revoke such "thanks", and users who repeatedly make up crap, are receiving numerous thanks. It's also quite easy to accidentally click the thanks button (as no confirmation is required). At the very least, we SHOULD be able to revoke "thanks". That way if someone is thanked, but are later proved to be making stuff up, at least users can revoke their thanks.
Ideally, we need an indicator that CAN become negative. Because there are currently quite a few users out there posting complete crap, which newbies will thank them for (because some of them are speaking with such authority, and claiming "that they proved it earlier", that they get praised for nothing.
If information accuracy is important on XDA, this needs fixing. At least a way to request citation, or references to claims being made would be nice.

+1
I've on many occasions pressed the "Thanks" button by mistake when I meant to press the quote button.
We need a thanks mod installed that can also revoke given thanks aswell as a confirmation.

i think a confirmation, when thanking someone is a good idea, but not revoking thanks, this could be used as a form of bullying or harrasment.

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i think a confirmation, when thanking someone is a good idea, but not revoking thanks, this could be used as a form of bullying or harrasment.
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How on earth did you come to that conclusion??

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How on earth did you come to that conclusion??
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it's happened on other message boards who allowed Thanks/UN-thanks. Someone will say something that rubs someone wrong and then that other person will unthank every post until it's a large negative number giving the illusion that they shouldn't be heard.
I use the thanks button as an anti-clutter device in threads at times. I'll give thanks on posts that I agree with so I don't give a redundant and uninformative post with a quote and +1. Just clutters things up IMO.
Perhaps just change the name to "I like this" or something.

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How on earth did you come to that conclusion??
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Because he's been on the internet for more than 1 hour. un-thanks, as he has said, could indeed cause some serious problems.
But I do agree that that Thanks button is easy to hit. This has been brought to the attention of the people upstairs and they are trying to work out a solution.

Yep. You can use the old XDA style if you want to try and avoid it.
I had to block the thanks button via my adblocker, as it is right were I am used to seeing the edit button on each post, so it's too easy to tap when going to edit something.

We do need a nice way though to vote posts as unproven.. Not sure about other forums, but there are a huge percentage of posts on i9000 which are total bs being presented as fact, our untested.. It's ruining the quality if xda and mods aren't reacting, or requiring they prove there claims. There are even known repeat offenders Who seem to like all the thanks they are getting. Harassment can be stopped by limiting it to 2 thanks/fiction credits per user. That also stops gangs of purple teaming up and boosting each others stats to make themselves seem more credible

Auzy said:
We do need a nice way though to vote posts as unproven.. Not sure about other forums, but there are a huge percentage of posts on i9000 which are total bs being presented as fact, our untested.. It's ruining the quality if xda and mods aren't reacting, or requiring they prove there claims. There are even known repeat offenders Who seem to like all the thanks they are getting. Harassment can be stopped by limiting it to 2 thanks/fiction credits per user. That also stops gangs of purple teaming up and boosting each others stats to make themselves seem more credible
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Hmmm...
The trouble with this is that the vast majority of what is posted here isn't proven to what I would define as proven in an academic context.
Little of what is done here is tbh, but if there is people making BS claims, let us know. I've not seen any reports about this that I can remember of, so please remember to use the report button if you see anything, as often we miss things, given the sheer size of XDA
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pulser_g2 said:
Yep. You can use the old XDA style if you want to try and avoid it.
I had to block the thanks button via my adblocker, as it is right were I am used to seeing the edit button on each post, so it's too easy to tap when going to edit something.
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This seems like an insane solution.
I agree that there shouldn't be an unthanks button in the sense that you can make the post seem negative - but what about the ability to remove thanks?
I have wanted to quote posts and hit 'Thanks' by accident on several occasions, thanking posts that really don't deserve to be thanked. Other forums that have the thanks button allow you to "remove" your thanks - in case you changed your mind, or thanked the post by accident.
I like the concept of thanking posts, it just seems poorly implemented on xda-devs - growing pains I'm sure, I just hope that it keeps evolving - the current system IMHO is broken.
...Thanks!

pulser_g2 said:
Hmmm...
The trouble with this is that the vast majority of what is posted here isn't proven to what I would define as proven in an academic context.
Little of what is done here is tbh, but if there is people making BS claims, let us know. I've not seen any reports about this that I can remember of, so please remember to use the report button if you see anything, as often we miss things, given the sheer size of XDA
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I did a few because of the stuff DamianGTO was saying, and yet, nothing ever changed. You need to make it part of the rules, that posts might be deleted if they are presented as factual nature, yet are unproven, and the poster REFUSES to change it to present it as opinion.

Auzy said:
I did a few because of the stuff DamianGTO was saying, and yet, nothing ever changed. You need to make it part of the rules, that posts might be deleted if they are presented as factual nature, yet are unproven, and the poster REFUSES to change it to present it as opinion.
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Hmm... I can only see one reported post by you, for a duplicated thread...
Regarding presenting stuff as fact, feel free to drop me a PM or send a report for any examples (send a PM as well so I can check it arrives properly).
If people are misleading other members, that is an infractable offence which can ultimately lead to banning

Why is it hard for the mods to make the forum this way?

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This way is so simple. make a US SGSIII forum that's universal that everyone would use, and have the individual forums for carrier specific questions/comments.
we can minimize the forums we don't use/need with that "minus" sign on the right hand side.
i'm tired of going to the sprint forums, the Verizon forums looking for something i need. most of the questions and threads we have are universal among all carriers, (google wallet for example). it just makes so much sense this way, and is much easier to navigate.
i don't understand why there is so much resistance to make the forums this way. it just looks much cleaner this way.
does anyone here agree? or am i alone in this? and now i'd have to post this in every sub-section to get everyone's opinion. but I'm not gonna bother doing that.

I think the mods do a lot of work and that picture is awfully confusing
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I'd be down. YOLO

You could sort by carrier or by phone. Depending on how you are looking for something, one way is better than the other. Sometimes neither works well. I don't envy the people who have to decide how to organize this forum, but I think it was done with a phone model specific focus as development is done per device. A device is sold across many carriers.
That's how I sees it.
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I think the mods do a lot of work and that picture is awfully confusing
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what's confusing about it?
1. it shows the main sgs3 forum on the top, and then it branches to the carriers.
2. the arrows show where the +/- buttons are to collapse and expand.
3. the big x's show that is unnecessary. since they are in the main sgs3 section.
4. i even color-coded it to make it easier to understand.
--- that's all there is to it.

We had one. People complained. It was split up again. Used to be unique forums like now. Then people complained and it was put together. Now people are complaining again
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

There really is no good solution for this. So many carriers with virtually the same specs, but just enough to be different. And to complicate matters, the accessories are the same.
That said, I myself am not real happy with the way it's put together. Info that I can use isn't always getting to the Tmo area I'm thinking. Making it carrier specific ensures this. But I can't think of any better solutions.
I'll also say that I think the mods are doing a pretty good job. And I love the tone here. Some of the other phones areas can get pretty ugly.
Part of the problem is that users here post so many bs threads and posts. That and the duplicate threads really make for a bit of chaos. We have a great "tricks and tips" thread but people make their own posts. Battery threads (etc) too. That will never change LOL.

I liked them combined. Plan and simple. People on other carriers run into issues i would like to see, instead of going and searching 4 other forums..

avataranjie said:
We had one. People complained. It was split up again. Used to be unique forums like now. Then people complained and it was put together. Now people are complaining again
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
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but if you notice, this way depicted in the picture above, there will be a combined/split up portion. catering to both audiences and eliminating 4 of the same topics in different sub-forums. i understand that people complain if it's split up, and people complain if it's combined. this does both so it would eliminate complaining, and it would eliminate 4 threads of the same topic in each carrier forum. but it would allow carrier-specific questions to be put in their places.

Lieu10ant said:
what's confusing about it?
1. it shows the main sgs3 forum on the top, and then it branches to the carriers.
2. the arrows show where the +/- buttons are to collapse and expand.
3. the big x's show that is unnecessary. since they are in the main sgs3 section.
4. i even color-coded it to make it easier to understand.
--- that's all there is to it.
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Agreed, I like it the way it is set now.
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I liked them combined. Plan and simple. People on other carriers run into issues i would like to see, instead of going and searching 4 other forums..
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Then you are going to wind up with a whole lot of bricked devices. Some people will try and use something that don't belong to their brand.

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THREAD CONTENT
My motive
My goals
Introduction child-boards
Child boards under my recommendation
My Motive
However XDA is a wonderful community there is still some room for improvement. XDA is great, as so are 'most' of the people around here, but however it's greatness there is still
one thing that does sometimes annoy me, is its organisation..
Let's be honest some people don't know where they should start their thread of where to find stuff, on the other hand most people who do have those problems are mostly plain stupid or are to lazy to search.
Yet I believe, that a little re-organisation will be able to address this matter and makes our lives, as the lives of users, mods or developers a little easier.
Lucky for you guys, I am not the guy that just complains, without constructing or achieving a potential solution.
I already put some hard work in it and I am fully prepared to do even more if necessarily , but before you judge me, please read and see see what I had in mind.
My Goals
Optimizing your User Experience
Creating new Levels of User Potential
Simplifying current structures and its organisations
Smoother, Faster, Clearer and Better
Introducing child-boards
I know it looks plain simple and you can believe I barely made any changes. BUT THAT IS THE KEY! That is my GOAL, keeping things as slim as possible. Still a child board can achieve an immense difference just only in your experience.
Imagine this simple user interface: Where you'll be able find to find a sub-board with ONLY ROM Releases or just everything related to it, so as for kernels.
Still I am perfectly aware that the ANDROID development goes beyond, ROM's and Kernels, YET these 2 elements in my opinion the main reason why people go to XDA, or they create kernels and ROM's or they want to flash them.
~~~ Organisational Problems ~~~​
No offense but isn't this a little weird, that so many people voted, where they'd best place their own thread?
Or is still someone able to tell, where I should fit this topic? ​
Child boards under my recommendation:
Separated Product Model Boards:
Even though people might find it lame, just know flashing the wrong firmware onto your phone, can brick your device,
accidents easily occur and even I noticed I accidently clicked onto the G development without even noticing it after 5 min and however the difference might look minor to some of you.
Why would you put 2 devices in the same area, knowing they require different systems, firmware and work on different hardware, meaning even though they are in the same range, THEY STILL DEFER
General Talk:
News​This community has a lot of potential users, that are motivated and willing to uncover the latest and hottest news for their phone or their device and I am fully aware that we do have XDA Tv.
But still I strongly believe this could be a very very useful sub-forum. Moderators or Forum Staff can sticky their posts to announce new rules or competitions
and only selected members will be able to post news concerning their galaxy s2 or their device, to decrease chances of any spam topics.
So why would we miss out on this potential, why wouldn't we publish a story that for example, AGPS, allows you to get a faster GPS lock or people invented a new script to conserve 50% more battery than usual,
does it really harm anyone, that one story wouldn't be that interesting, as this place could offer you, a pool of different stories that might catch your interest.
Nobody is forced to publish something, neither are you to read, you'll only have the Galaxy S2 knowledge library right at your disposal.
Android Developent:
Seperated ROM & Kernel Board​Wouldn't it be way easier to find all your ROM releases in one place and ONLY them?
Would we even need updated indexes anymore, when this would all be clear and accessible in one single location,
would we even be bothered to posts polls as where should I put this thread as you might have already seen above?
Wouldn't this make your user experience more simpler finding in two clicks whatever you'd like?
I'd certainly vow for this!
ROM & Kernels Separated, everything else, in the android development thread (Applications, scripts, Tweaks, ...
Interactive Search Functions
MORE QUESTIONS OR SUGGESTIONS? FEEL FREE TO COMMENT OR ASK RIGHT AWAY

Wow - thank you for your well thought out and detailed posts. We actually do have some of the changes you are recommending in the pipeline and will certainly take your other recommendations into consideration in the future.

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Wow - thank you for your well thought out and detailed posts. We actually do have some of the changes you are recommending in the pipeline and will certainly take your other recommendations into consideration in the future.
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You shouldn't' be thanking me, it's my privilege I can be part of this community.
I saw a lot of potential around here and I am not much of a scripter, neither am I able to cook mods or roms
But I just wanted to give something back in return
I am just a simple student from Belgium with some crazy ideas
Still I feel honored my contribution will be taken in consideration and if you just require my help
Or you want me to do something, don't even hesitate to ask
Yours sincerely, Intensity

I for one, love this new idea. The separated rom and kernel sections are superb, it would be so much easier for users to find what they want. I could spend time writing every little thing down, but im on a short schedule. All in all, I want this

The Archangel said:
I for one, love this new idea. The separated rom and kernel sections are superb, it would be so much easier for users to find what they want. I could spend time writing every little thing down, but im on a short schedule. All in all, I want this
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Even if you're time is short, you should be ashamed for not clicking the thank button
Haha just kidding, much appreciated

...from outta the stone age...!

The thing I hate about forums is that when a topic is posted, it stays on track for the first few pages, but when you get to the 157th page, there's a conversation where one guy is wondering "Should I replace the ball joints on my Subaru?"
XDA is pretty good about moderating topics, but searching through pages and pages of text, hoping to find your answer that may or may not be in English, or have enough proper grammar to be sure you're not about to perform outta step with a certain procedure....It's daunting.
To me, the "Forum" needs to be brought outta the '70s when it was just a community bulletin board, and into the 21st century.
I have a proposition. A proposition to XDADevelopers. An idea. An idea that this forum could do that would put this forum on the forefront of other forums. An idea that, if implemented, other forums would look at this forum and want to do it the way XDADevelopers is doing it. A Forum is not just a website for discussion. It is literally a resource for people looking for information.
Proposition 1: Spelling and Grammar
If your gonna post in english, then you shud atleast make it readable. To put it properly: "If you're gonna post in English, the you should, at the very least, make your post readable". Too often, a six year old will post on how he was able to root his/her Galaxy Note II, and his/her instructions will read: "Just flash zip, the bot recover, then root, then turn off, done!" No one but that six year old can follow these instructions.
This site is a community of people who want to take control of the content on their phones, and make their phone as unique as the person who uses it. But, if everyone followed this six year old's instructions, we'd have a world full o' bricked phones.
Now, I realise that some of those who post are not six, but are adults from another country that are not used to typing proper English grammar. All, I would say to those people in that respect is that you may write in your post that you are not be responsible for any problems incurred in the risky business of tampering with a phone's operating system, but you could at least make the instructions clear enough that those who attempt to perform the same actions that you depict in your post will achieve the same result.
One idea on this is that if someone wants to post in English, and they know another forum member that has a better grasp on English, then that someone could PM that other member to help proofread the post before it is posted. That may seem like a big waste of time, but it would make this community more of a community when everyone is helping each other to help everyone else who will read this post.
Proposition 2: Front Page Updates and Editing
I have seen this being done on some forums (including this forum), but it doesn't appear to be mandatory. How would it be if it was mandatory?
A topic is posted. A procedure on rooting a device, let's say. The discussion gets going, and a few pages in, someone discovers an error in the post. The author makes a respective change. That's pretty much elementary.
Let's say, further into the discussion, someone encounters difficulty with a step in the procedure because one or more person's phone are different. The discussion continues until that difference is settled out. The front page should be edited to reflect this problem. Yes, every problem! But, in a structured way. An index on the front page. Structured in this way (or another): At the bottom of the front page, and index would appear:
Index
23 Jan 2016 If you have [this model phone], you may encounter [this condition]. Use [this procedure] to correct the condition.
The discussion of this condition starts here:
forum.xda-developers.com/blah/blah/balh and key notes on the conclusion can be found "here" and "here"
...and several similar entries afterwards. This kinda thing makes the forum post front page a searchable, informative page, with more to offer anyone who visits, and will benefit anyone. From the inexperienced, to the consummate professional.
Proposition 3: Multi-Threaded Threads for multiple discussions in a single post.
Too often, we'll read a thread, and someone will ask "I got [this model phone], and I'm having [this problem]", and we'll recognise this as the problem we are having too. But, when we go looking for a response to this reply, we sometimes have to go four, five, six pages (not replies, Pages!) forward to find a response. What's worse is that sometimes the response is "Go home, Newbie!". That help no one.
When I look through a list of topics for my model phone or condition, I shy away from posts that have more than 20 pages of replies. If each of those pages was a searchable thread from the original discussion, it may not be as daunting a task to search through the post to find the information I am looking for.
These are the only three ideas I can think of. If I think or more, I would probably update this page!

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Ok. Serious reply. :good:
Spelling and grammar. Members here are from all over the world, and have to post in English. Many of them are at Google translate or something similar's mercy. So, tolerance my friend. If you find something too hard to understand, you can always just move on and ignore it.
Front page edits and updates. Those are entirely up to the opening poster of the thread. They can update if they wish, but it's their choice. They would never be forced to by XDA staff or automation of some sort. And any means of enforcing your ideas here would be impossible on a site this massive.
And your last point, there is a search thread function. It's a mystery to many, but it exists and works. Honest!
But thank you for the suggestions. :highfive:

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Darth said:
And your last point, there is a search thread function. It's a mystery to many, but it exists and works. Honest!
But thank you for the suggestions. :highfive:
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I think that depends on the day and if you say the proper magic words to get it to work correctly.
I actually like the idea (assuming I understood from the long story) of having a link forward to replies of a post. There are link backs; it would be cool if your post got a link forward to this one.

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Too Long Didnt Read?
or
Too Long Did Read ? ?

Here is how you replace ball joints on a subaru...

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Wow.
XDA is THE leading forum for Android development and hacking and has been for many years. Nothing needs to be done to make it the best, because it IS the best.
Nothing is perfect of course, but improvements are ongoing even though we may feel they can be slow sometimes.
'Nuff said.