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Hi all,
I have been a winmob user for over 5 years and i know pretty much everything about them. (see join date) Though 3 days ago i got a a8183 desire.
My god i have a lot to learn about Android. Winmob seemed so much simplier to pick apart with registry and custom roms.
Anyways i have been reading thread after thread for days yet i still have a couple of questions that i cannot get clear answers for.
I have a a8183 telstra desire running on optus. I have updated to the latest offical 2.2 ROM. (Everyone mentions OTA (over the air) though i downloaded it and installed thru windows).
So i would appreciate if someone could help me out with my questions/assumptions.
1. From what i have read you cannot r00t a froyo OS. Is that right? Though i have found an app z4root that will do it temporarily until reboot. Unrevoked doesnt seem to work.
2. To change system files you need not only root though you need the clockworkmod recovery part of the bootloader. (eg. to replace HOST file for adblocking).
3. You need permanent r00t to install the clockworkmod (so i cannot do this).
4. You cannot remove default ROM apps from your phone without the clockworkmod.
5. You need clockworkmod to install custom ROMs.
So from what i gather.. r00t is good. though really only cause it gets you the clockworkmod recovery which is where you can really hack it.
And to get this i need to downgrade to 2.1, r00t, clockwork then use a hacked rom for 2.2?
Your help is greatly appreciated.

hi sage, i too came from windows mobile so i know how you feel, lucky for me i jumped on the android bandwagon earlier with the htc hero, after i got bored with my HD1, anyway your wrong on quite a few points, so i'll point you in the right direction.
1) the latest version of unrevoked (www.unrevoked.com/recovery) is more than able to root the froyo roms, its a one click app and can root your device in minutes
2) to easly modify system files you need s-off (this is equivalent to HSPL on wm devices) after you have rooted, you need to search for alpharev, this is a linux live cd, you just burn it and boot it and it will security unlock your device.
3) when you download and run unrevoked, it will not only root your device but insatall the latest version of clockworkmod recovery. (just hold vol down and power when your device is off to access hboot, and choose recovery from the list) so unrevoked kills 2 birds with one stone
4) to remove the apps in the /system/ partition there are 2 ways, from recovery using adb, or if you flash the s-off mod, you can remove them directly from your device using a file manager.
5) yes you need clockworkmod or another custom recovery to install custom roms, but now you know how to do it, thats not a problem

Hi Sage,
If you're looking for an easier way to get rid of all the Telstra apps (more like a blob of links really ) on your phone you may want to try one of the stock HTC WWE ROMs. It's clean and you can flash it via exe, just like in WM. The latest RUU I believe is the 2.29.405.2. Also, be aware of the risks of rooting your phone.

thanks for your response guys
Ok so i am now r00ted and running Leedroid's WWE ROM! (thank you!) it was actually pretty easy.
I think unrevoked was failing cause i was using a USB HUB.
OK so now i just want to remove some more of the default apps that come with it.
So i will try alpharev to security unlock my device. (is this permanent or if i reflash my rom it will come back?)
once i have done this i can then delete anything i like thru r00t explorer?
At this stage i am trying to just make some more room for apps. As a number of them wont move to SD Card.
A couple of last questions if i may. I have an new SD Card on order. Am i able to simply copy everything from my existing SD to my new and then swap it over in my phone and it will all be ok? Or do i need 'clone' it with some tool?
Where in the system paths do i remove 'shortcuts' within all apps? (or even simply rename them.)
Much appreciate your help. Android is growing on me. I especially love adb logcat!

ok.. i am now security off'd alpharev worked a treat.
i am now using r00t explorer to try and delete items from /system/app though they come up read-only so i cannot delete them
i take when i get to remove these the phone will have more stoage space for apps yeah?
i also still cannot find where the all apps shortcuts sit! (so i can rename/remove).
and lastly now i have the alpharev bootloader so gonna google how to change that
i did use the Leedroid apps2sd ROM. though most of my apps are still going to phone memory and i cant move them across.
Is there a fix for this? i guess once i work out how to delete these read-only files ill be ok anyway.

Unfortunately removing system apps wont give you more space to install apps, they are stored under a different partition, /system and /data are not on the same disk so you can save as much space on /system as you want but it won't affect /data at all.
With running out of space you have a few choices:
Go to settings..applications..then manage and move as many apps to SD as you can. This is fro-yo apps2sd, not all data is moved and not all apps can be moved, so you will probably run out of space again anyway.
Or
Reboot into recovery and partition your sdcard to create an ext partition, when you boot your rom ALL apps will be moved to the ext partition leaving lots of free space. Backup your sdcard before you partition it, you will lose all data.

Sage said:
ok.. i am now security off'd alpharev worked a treat.
1) i am now using r00t explorer to try and delete items from /system/app though they come up read-only so i cannot delete them
2) i take when i get to remove these the phone will have more stoage space for apps yeah?
3) i also still cannot find where the all apps shortcuts sit! (so i can rename/remove).
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1) Press on Remount as R/O, this should allow you to delete/replace system stuff & ringtones, fonts...etc.
2)No, because apps install to data/apps & not system/apps.
3)You mean like the applicatiuon menu when we used to delete shortcuts or rename them? Hahaha man that was sooooooooooooo long time ago for me. Anyway, the applications installed are displayer & you can't hide them or rearrange them like Winmo. You might want to try Launcher Pro to hide apps in the apps drawer.
If you need more info, ask freely because 2 years ago I went through the same

mr.r9 said:
1) Press on Remount as R/O, this should allow you to delete/replace system stuff & ringtones, fonts...etc. Typo..You meant R/W
2)No, because apps install to data/apps & not system/apps.
3)You mean like the applicatiuon menu when we used to delete shortcuts or rename them? Hahaha man that was sooooooooooooo long time ago for me. Anyway, the applications installed are displayer & you can't hide them or rearrange them like Winmo. You might want to try Launcher Pro to hide apps in the apps drawer.
If you need more info, ask freely because 2 years ago I went through the same
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Hmm..actually the new MTD partition table hack should be able to free space on the /system, adjusting partitions with less for /system and /cache and more for /data/app should give enough space..Though I'm not sure if he wants to try this right now, since it's considered an advanced task and maybe he'd like to get more accustomed to Android before attempting it? His wish though..
And well, there's yet another method to remove system apps, other than the other two methods. This is to modify the zip file of the custom rom to remove the actual apks from /system and reflashing it on top of the actual flash..

droidzone said:
And well, there's yet another method to remove system apps, other than the other two methods. This is to modify the zip file of the custom rom to remove the actual apks from /system and reflashing it on top of the actual flash..
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Ohh yes indeed. OP, you can edit the zip before installing it to your device. You can remove/replace application in system/data and fonts...etc. Just remember to change signature verification to off in your recovery.

my god. i have spent days on this baby and im only barely scratching the surface
much appreciate all your help guys!
ok.. so its time to use app2sd i hear that app2sd+ is better though? (it moves more data to SD yeah? appcache?)
i only have 2Gb microsd right now so i might wait until i my 8GB arrives before i flash a new ROM and start again (again!)
i also noticed these online kitchens. http://cookmyrom.co.cc
which look great! tho they are still a version behind the leedroid i am using tho its a good way to get rid of some default apps.
i certainly like the idea of reparitioning the default disk though not quite ready for that yet especially when app2sd+ sounds much more straight forward.
i am dumbfounded that you cant remove 'shortcuts' from the All Apps! or even rename them!! my god. i would think that was first thing available on such an open source OS.
So i have now created a folder called "Folder" to reduce the clutter.. and now i guess i cant even rename it!?? and if i create another one its called "Folder" too!
lol.. this OS is so advanced yet some basic stuff seems to be overlooked.
I did try launcher pro though it removed my HTC Sense (which i like). So i might need to keep looking for an app to help organise my All Apps and my desktop (is desktop what its called?)
And just how do i add ringtones?
love your work guys thanks again.

Create a folder called Ringtones on the root of your SD to have...ringtones.
When you open a folder, long press on the header to rename it.
As for organizing, I stopped caring & started to use search, but maybe if you want you can try an app called folder organizer.

mr.r9 said:
Create a folder called Ringtones on the root of your SD to have...ringtones.
When you open a folder, long press on the header to rename it.
As for organizing, I stopped caring & started to use search, but maybe if you want you can try an app called folder organizer.
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nice one thank you!

Sage said:
...So i have now created a folder called "Folder" to reduce the clutter.. and now i guess i cant even rename it!??...
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Open the folder then hold where it says folder to change its name.

Ok. Now have app2sd working!
thanks to all of you. Beginning to love this android phone now. I feel sorry for all the people who use them as they come from the factory! Thank god for all the xda people who rip them to shreds and make them better

If i can have one last question. Any way to remap hardware buttons to start an app?
Like when you hold down the search button it launches Google Voice. I want it to launch a different app..
I did a search and found the hardware button remapper though it only does hardware to hardware.. not hardware to app

For Folders(Assuming you're using full HTC Sense), just open it and hold the title bar. Took me some time to figure out. You cannot easily rename the apps in "All apps", but you can remove them(Which is essentially uninstalling them) from Settings > Applications > Manage, unless they are system apps which need to be manually deleted either via S-OFF + Root explorer(OR something similar) or ADB + Custom recovery(Clockworkmod or Amon Ra).
For setting a custom ringtone, open the music app, select the music > Menu > Set as ringtone.

so no love on the hardware remap for apps?
Oh well i have done a lot of googling and it seems it cant be done (well at least not easily).
My last question is when you launch an app from a folder the folder stays open.. any way to force close or change its behaviour?

for those following this. I found the Tasker app remaps hardware buttons amongst doing amazing other things.
Still no love on closing folders though.

i ended up using tasker to create app widgets to replace the folders...

If you want app widgets, there's also "Desktop Visualizer".
In terms of killing of an app, have you tried "Settings -> apps settings -> development" then there's an option there for "stop apps via long press"?

G2 temproot with ota?/free wifi hotspot?

Hey, I literaly just craeted this account so call me a noob if you will. Now, the closest thing to rooting was jailbreaking for me so I'm not a complete nub at computers. Anyways, I wanna temproot but since visionary was taken from the market, idk what version (ex. R13) to use. Will the version matter with the ota update? Cause I REALLY REALLY don't wanna screw up my g2 as I just got it today via amazon wireless. And also, is there any free WIRELESS TETHERING as in not usb or pda net, but as a hotspot without tmo charging (I have unlim date) any help appreciated! thanks!
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just install visionary.apk using the manual install method, you can use adb to push it to your sd card or use the much easier approach and stick it on your sd card via usb connection then open it with a file browser of your choice on the phone. There is also a wifi tether/bluetooth tether app that has been around for a while that you can find more info on here http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/
Best of luck!
just a side note: I don't know if tmobile is actually charging for this tether service. I was never informed of a charge for it besides the hype on these forums and have been using the OTA (over the air) update that included it and have seen no change in my billing.

Welcome to android!
In the do not post non-development related questions in the appropriate forum. Since you're new and all I'll let it slide without getting too mad. I'll put this as simple as it gets.
1. DOWNLOAD this file onto your computer.
2.Hook up your USB calble, pull down the notification bar, select usb storage, and hit mount.
3. Open up your computer's download folder and find the apk (app) you just downloaded, and drag it onto the root of your sdcard.
4. Unmount storage and unplug USB.
5. Hit home button, then go to menu -> settings -> applications -> check unknown sources (to install from sdcard), then go to development -> check USB debugging
5. Go to your market and download a file manager. There's a lot of choices in there, so I recommend maybe astro or linda file managers.
5. Open your file manager, open your sdcard folder (it might default to there), navigate to where the app is and select it.
6. It will ask wether you want to install. Select yes of course and let it do its thing.
7. Open the visionary app itself, and hit Temproot now. It will take a minute.
8. You should be rooted now! If you want to install the tether app, just do the same thing again with the link dietotherhythm provided. Put app on sdcard, open file manager, install, tether. You will be asked for SU permissions on the tether app, just select remember and okay (you'll see what i mean when you open the app). I suggest you look at some of the guides on how to set up ADB and such, and when you're familiar enough you do the permaroot and install one of the custom roms (cyanogen is amazing, sense has a different UI, etc). GL lol

Ok thanks so much! I haven't been on android since my g1 a year ago. Anyways, will the ota have any effect on overclocking? Because i ve read that the kernal and stuf are different, needing a new script or something. Or can I just download set cpu and am I good to go? Also does this temproot have any chance of bricking my phone? Thanks again for your help!
PS: and at dietotherythm, are you not being charged for the wireless hotspot feature in the settings?
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

Temp root is safe. Do NOT perm root with visionary, there is a chance of bricking with that. When your ready to perm root use rage via the sticky on here.
As far as oc, you just need to use the module for the OTA kernel. Run the script, then use setcpu. Once your perm root, you have much more oc/uv/ov options.

Ok thanks! But with temprooting, do I need to unroot before I turn my phone off or is it ok to just turn it off and reroot when I turn it back on? And can I use z4 root from the market?
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Don't know about this z4 of which you speak.. I'm already rooted. (I actually used Visionary but had done a manual temp root so mine sort of had a combination of methods used. LOL)
As for your other question, NO you don't have to unroot before rebooting/powering down you phone. You just shut it off like normal and when it reboots, root is gone until you temp root again.

[Q] Latest xdandroid for touch pro 2 how-to

This is my first for anything like this. I have a Sprint HTC Touch Pro 2, and want to put the latest version of XDANDROID on it. But, have no clue which version or where to start. I would like to eventually get in to building on my own. Could someone please help get me started?

TheCasper said:
This is my first for anything like this. I have a Sprint HTC Touch Pro 2, and want to put the latest version of XDANDROID on it. But, have no clue which version or where to start. I would like to eventually get in to building on my own. Could someone please help get me started?
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to get started, it really doesn't get any simpler than downloading the latest FRX03 from here:
http://sites.google.com/site/androidport/downloads
(i'd recommend the RAR version, so you can unzip it into your SD card faster)
after that, just use WM's file explorer navigate to andboot and run haret.exe and you're "done"
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(optional) with a little bit of more effort, go into the top sticky of this forum, and update to the latest Kernel (1253). the current Kernel in FRX03 from Dec 20 is (i believe) 1232.

It's sort of that easy, but I had this same question before I did it too. It would have been nice if the FAQ said this explicitly.
If you download the rar archive, it will extract out in its own subdirectory, e.g.
XDAndroid2.2Froyo.XXxxXX/andboot/...
The first thing I do is move the andboot subdirectory to the root of the SD card.
The next thing is to edit the andboot/startup.txt file to match your phone. I guess you can use the XDAndroidStartup utility to take care of this instead, but the first time I tried that it failed because of that silly runtime dependency.
If you want to use the startup utility, and it gives you an error and refuses to run, you need to install the updated net framework like it talks about on this page:
http://sites.google.com/site/androidport/startup-utility

Thanks guy I will give it a try and post if I have questions. I love the design/setup of my TP2 but I hate the windows OS.

Need more help My phone is getting stuck and the XDANDROID start up image/video thing

TheCasper said:
Need more help My phone is getting stuck and the XDANDROID start up image/video thing
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Just let it do its thing, boots can take 5-10 min!

Kind of got it working, but have no idea how to use it fun stuff.

quick question, do I always have to have the sim card out when running ANDROID?

TheCasper said:
quick question, do I always have to have the sim card out when running ANDROID?
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If your phone is in GSM mode, you'll want it in. Check your startup.txt, you'll need force_cdma=0 in there.
If you're on CDMA, I believe you do have to have the SIM removed, yes. Also, the above command should have a 1 instead of 0.
^^ I'm not positive about that piece, but I do know that Android on our phones will only recognize one or the other - GSM or CDMA. Maybe we'll get it to recognize both one day, I saw an entry for it in the RIL...

I do know that I have CDMA. Plus how do update the kernel, where do I put it?

TheCasper said:
I do know that I have CDMA. Plus how do update the kernel, where do I put it?
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You simply replace your existing kernel and modules.
So delete the existing zImage/modules-xxxx.tar.gz, and put in the new zImage/modules-xxx.tar.gz. Don't rename the modules file, but be sure the zImage file is named just that - zImage.
The files go where you run haret.exe from - typically the root of the SD, or in /andboot.

UH-OH, not sure what happened. I reformated my SD card to do a new run since I found what I wanted. Now it seems like I can do everything but make calls in WM6.5. What do I do

TheCasper said:
UH-OH, not sure what happened. I reformated my SD card to do a new run since I found what I wanted. Now it seems like I can do everything but make calls in WM6.5. What do I do
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Android should have no effect on WinMo (assuming you're using haret/install on your SD). Plus, this really isn't a place to get help with WinMo.
Do the usual - soft reset, hard reset, reflash of stock ROM.

arrrghhh said:
Android should have no effect on WinMo (assuming you're using haret/install on your SD). Plus, this really isn't a place to get help with WinMo.
Do the usual - soft reset, hard reset, reflash of stock ROM.
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I know, I'm trying to put android on it and I am using haret from the SD card. I'm just not sure if this is will effect android or is a common problem. Thanks though, I have been going through those things while i wait.

[Q] Wifi Error after updating Wireless N

So I was there with the perfect setup, but I was browsing the Rom Manager and noticed a Wifi N enabler in the Radios section. Looks good right? If anything breaks I can revert to a backup? Right? No. Wrong. I flashed it while running the latest Tiamat on cyanogen 7 rc1. Thing is... not only is it not compatible with Tiamat, but it's also not needed on cyanogen 7... now all my backups come complete with wifi that gives me Error when I try to use it. What do I do?

Still need some help. How can I reset my wifi? Would a factory reset be the only way?

I hate people that bump their own threads and I hate doing it, but I'm desperate. What can fix my wifi? I've tried everything! It's killing my battery.

snowblower said:
I hate people that bump their own threads and I hate doing it, but I'm desperate. What can fix my wifi? I've tried everything! It's killing my battery.
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I'll help you because I feel your pain. Didn't have internet for a week once and I pretty much had to walk around the house with an extension cord. Can only help bump though, can't answer it. I believe my Speedy already supports wireless n =)
^ Shift Faced

snowblower, you should be able to simply copy and paste the bcm4329.ko file from original rom zip into /system/lib/modules/ with an app like Root Explorer.
Extract the file from the rom archive.
Go to extracted location.
Copy the file.
Navigate to /system/lib/modules/ on your phone.
Mount R/W.
Paste the file.
Change the permissions to rw-r--r--. (Long-press file)
Change Owner and Group to 0 - root. (Also long-press)
Mount R/O.
Reboot phone.
(You can also accomplish all the steps above with ADB if you don't want to install Root Explorer.)
I've been trying to get wireless N working on my EVO for days now, but nothing seems to work and I can't for the life of me figure out why. Luckily, the method described above always seems to fix my WiFi if something I try breaks it. Hope it works for you!

[Q] Android file transfer roms to internal sd card(MAC)

When i first rooted my phone I was able to get aokp mr1 and google apps to the root of the internal sd card, but I dont remember how. Using android file transfer I am unable to put any files into the internal memory of the phone. It allows me to put into folders, but upon rebooting into recovery the file is not visible.
On a side note i just flashed cm10.2 by putting the .zip into the download folder, and flashing the custom rom using rom manager app on the phone without rebooting into recovery. I however dont like this because in recovery you can delete all user data and such. When flashing it directly through the app you dont have that option.
My question is how do I add files to the root of the internal sd card using a Mac. Also how can i delete the older roms of the internal sd card.
I've been using the search and google for the past hour and kind find specifically what I need. Everything i've seen is for PC.

ADB
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

Make sure you're using latest recovery version.
a manta wrote this.

There's an app from Google you install on your Mac... called Android File Transfer, let's you do exactly what you want, drag and drop.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda app-developers app

ed-flip said:
Using android file transfer I am unable to put any files into the internal memory of the phone. It allows me to put into folders, but upon rebooting into recovery the file is not visible.
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a maguro wrote this.

Ooohhhhhhh.....
Use adb, yes, and root explorer or the like to find the ROMs already there.
I usually use Android File Transfer just fine, though, it's under 0 in recovery.
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jimmyco2008 said:
Ooohhhhhhh.....
Use adb, yes, and root explorer or the like to find the ROMs already there.
I usually use Android File Transfer just fine, though, it's under 0 in recovery.
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Thanks for all the replies. I gave up with android file transfer since it wont let you drag and drop to anything but a folder which wont work.... I'm using rom manager for my boot into recovery. I ended up using an app called FTP server on the phone, and a software called Transmit on the Mac, that allowed me to drag and drop into the actual sd card instead of a folder. I rebooted into recovery and was able to flash the rom from there.

Glad you figured it out... But If you drag to just the right spot, it won't make you put it in a folder, I managed to get several ROMs and APKs on the root of sdcard0.

jimmyco2008 said:
Glad you figured it out... But If you drag to just the right spot, it won't make you put it in a folder, I managed to get several ROMs and APKs on the root of sdcard0.
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Where do you drag it? I couldnt get it to drop anywhere.
on a side note do I have to do an image captcha for every post I make

The CAPCHA's are courtesy of your new membership, eventually they'll go away, I think it's after... 10 posts? Don't quote me.
Here's a screenshot, drag to where the yellow is, if you put it over other FILES in the root, it'll go in the root, too. If you drag it over FOLDERS, it'll go in a folder you hovered over.
http://jatsby.com/yeah.png

Ok thanks, the screenshot isn't working for me but I will check to see if that your technique works for me. What rom are you running? I got aokp milestone 2, I like it but my battery life really sucks. I dunno if its related to the rom or not, because I know the nexus doesnt have a very good battery to begin with.

Yeah the site is and will be down for... I'd say another 10 hours from this post... I was hoping you'd see it before maintainence.
I just got a fresh (new) OEM 2100mAh extended battery, world of difference, it's better than most phones' battery lives.
I'm on CM10.2, and I usually don't have to charge every day, rather every other with low-moderate usage.
People ***** day and night about this ROM's battery life and this kernel's "vast improvement".... Whatever, none of that **** worked out for me (okay, maybe I got 5 more minutes out of my battery), the extended battery did.
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