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A WM/Android User's Take

1st off this is not intended to be a flaming / bashing thread. If you want to do that please go elsewhere; I'm sure the vibrant forums will welcome you. If a MOD feels this belongs somewhere else, please move it.
I have been a long time WM user and recently switched to android for the past year. I am offering my take on WP7 on the pros on cons.
Interface - Finally something completely new and wonderful. Microsoft really did hit a homerun on trying to make information at a glance approach. Mail and search apps look beautiful. I thing missing, being able to quickly jump to apps in the app menu.
Lack of Landscape Support- For as great as the UI is I am shocked at the lack of landscape support. The start menu, app menu, nor Zune have lanscape support. You can not even refresh a webpage or type in a website if you are in landscape mode. Calling this anything other than an epic "FAIL" by microsoft is sugar coating it. Especially when the HD7 and Surround beg to be in landscape mode with their kick stands.
Browser - As expected from an IE browser it is pretty good. I already mentioned the lack of landscape support which is really frustrating but there is something else that gets under my skin more. Web pages do not resize to fit the screen when you zoom in. This was/is almost a deal breaking for me honestly. I love the organization of having all the buttons at the bottom and the interface is stunning but you lose way to many options in landscape mode. You can't even access favorites without first going back to portrait. MS, this NEEDS to be addressed soon. The browser is the main feature of smartphones now.
Zune - Wonderful if you have a Zune Pass. Honestly it was one of the main reasons why I bought this phone. I expected it to be awesome and it didn't disappoint. That being said they need to add a Play Now option to the market songs. When I'm browsing the market sometimes I want to queue songs and the Add to Playlist option makes sense but how could you leave out Play now? Seriously?
Another thing I don't like is I can not fast forward to a certain spot in a movie. Video files can be hours long, why should I have to hold the fast forward button to get to the point I'd like. Let me hit the progress bar and then use the rewind / fast forward buttons for getting to the exact point.
USB Storage Device- glaring admission, but I can kind of see why. It helps stop piracy, but I loved being able to hook my fuze / tilt 2 / nexus 1 / vibrant to my car stereo and play the music I had downloaded on my phone. I know I could get an audio cable and do the same, but while driving it is so much easier to use the radio head unit to control music rather than your phone. I knew this when getting in bed with WP7, but that doesnt mean I still can't miss it.
Bluetooth- for music works just like it should. however it will not play the audio from video files threw bluetooth. It keeps coming out of my phone's main speakers and there is no way to get into the bluetooth profiles to see if something is wrong. VERY ANNOYING MS. get to fixing it.
People- Wonderful. Could anyone ask anymore? I gave it my facebook and gmail accounts and I didn't have to worry about any contacts not showing up. Love the Facebook updates also.
Dailer- No smart dialer? This used to even be in my old wizard by default. How it get left out is completely beyond me.
Announced fixes- Flash, Copy & Paste, Turn by Turn navigation can't come soon enough but I am glad microsoft acknowledged they needed them.
Local Outlook Support- I knew this before hand, but I am in the crowd that says MS needs to add this ability.
Overall- I bought my HD7 without a contract and I am pretty sure i will NOT be returning it. I love my HD7 and WP7, however this OS isn't entirely complete. That being said was iOS and Android complete when they came out? To even suggest that is laughable. I can not wait for microsoft to release all the fixes for this OS because when it does it will be a powerhouse.
I will not buy that this phone is for dumbsmart phone users. I probably done more with my phones than 95% of android users who will do nothing by bash WP7 and i honestly see this for ALL users. It helps bring the powerhouse experience in an easier way without being tied down as much as iOS.

Why not just post in one of the other 50 threads? Now people will be copy-pasting replies from those into this one.
I did notice the lack of landscape mode in IE. I think that was the only thing that made me go WTF when I used the HD7.
However, the keyboard is so good that I don't think it even mattered that much.
I guess with a 3.7-8" screen it can be a bit annoying, but on anything 4" or bigger it didn't strike me as a big deal beyond the initial shock of it not being there.
Also, lots of people dont' seem to know the difference between an Operating System and an Application.

N8ter said:
Why not just post in one of the other 50 threads? Now people will be copy-pasting replies from those into this one.
I did notice the lack of landscape mode in IE. I think that was the only thing that made me go WTF when I used the HD7.
However, the keyboard is so good that I don't think it even mattered that much.
I guess with a 3.7-8" screen it can be a bit annoying, but on anything 4" or bigger it didn't strike me as a big deal beyond the initial shock of it not being there.
Also, lots of people dont' seem to know the difference between an Operating System and an Application.
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Those threads became nothing but flaming / bashing threads. I thought it would be a good idea to try to get away from that.
Also a core application can be considered part of the OS. If you can not uninstall it, it is part of the OS.
I thought it was annoying not being able to get to the address bar with all that screen space.

I don't know about you guys but my Surround goes into landscape mode IE just fine...
The only thing I don't like is lack of landscape in marketplace and Zune...
also if you want a nice photo editor, Thumba photo editor for $.099 is awesome!
EDIT: Oh i see. I can't believe I have to switch to portrait to type a URL!! WTF microsoft!

jz9833 said:
Browser - As expected from an IE browser it is pretty good. I already mentioned the lack of landscape support which is really frustrating but there is something else that gets under my skin more. Web pages do not resize to fit the screen when you zoom in. This was/is almost a deal breaking for me honestly. I love the organization of having all the buttons at the bottom and the interface is stunning but you lose way to many options in landscape mode. You can't even access favorites without first going back to portrait. MS, this NEEDS to be addressed soon. The browser is the main feature of smartphones now.
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Overall I agree with just about everything you said. Regarding the browser, I've noticed that certain areas of webpages are zoomed in more than others. For instance, on xda, the text of people's posts is HUGE compared to the buttons such as User CP, etc. at the top of the page. What I've found is a double tap in my area of interest on a page will zoom the page so that ONLY my area of interest is approriately sized. Then, when I want to switch to another part of the page, I double tap there and the page will resize, and so on. The text does not dynamically reflow a la Android, but I think it's a pretty usable system.
-R

jz9833 said:
Dailer- No smart dialer? This used to even be in my old wizard by default. How it get left out is completely beyond me.
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There is voice dialing in WP7 not sure what you mean by smart dialer???

rruffman said:
There is voice dialing in WP7 not sure what you mean by smart dialer???
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By going to the dailer and being able to spell "MOM" for example on the keys and it would automatically come up with the number for that contact.

jz9833 said:
Also a core application can be considered part of the OS. If you can not uninstall it, it is part of the OS.
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Lol, what? No, it's not. It's a stock application distributed with the OS. It is not part of the OS.
By the Logic people can say "Android is buggy because the GMail client is buggy." or "Windows Mobile is buggy because the Opera Browser HTC bundled with the HD2 is buggy." or "Linux is full of bugs because the KDE in that distro is buggy as hell."
Every OS comes with a set of stock applications, but they are just that, and are usually updatable independent of installing a new kernel or driver stack on the device.
In any case, I've already said I agree that the lack of landscape mode is an issue.
I just wanted to make that distinction, because lots of people on this forum are incapable of doing it themselves.

N8ter said:
Lol, what? No, it's not. It's a stock application distributed with the OS. It is not part of the OS.
By the Logic people can say "Android is buggy because the GMail client is buggy." or "Windows Mobile is buggy because the Opera Browser HTC bundled with the HD2 is buggy." or "Linux is full of bugs because the KDE in that distro is buggy as hell."
Every OS comes with a set of stock applications, but they are just that, and are usually updatable independent of installing a new kernel or driver stack on the device.
In any case, I've already said I agree that the lack of landscape mode is an issue.
I just wanted to make that distinction, because lots of people on this forum are incapable of doing it themselves.
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I still completely disagree with you. Froyo for Android made plenty of browser updates so would you say that wasn't a OS update?
I like most people consider stock apps part of the OS

jz9833 said:
I still completely disagree with you. Froyo for Android made plenty of browser updates so would you say that wasn't a OS update?
I like most people consider stock apps part of the OS
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Agree. Basically system is made of apps.
If email app built into it is buggy, we can say OS is buggy.

jz9833 said:
I still completely disagree with you. Froyo for Android made plenty of browser updates so would you say that wasn't a OS update?
I like most people consider stock apps part of the OS
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Doesnt meam ur right and most people are ignorant in os design and the diff between an os and an app distributed with said os.
Obviously...
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N8ter said:
Doesnt meam ur right and most people are ignorant in os design and the diff between an os and an app distributed with said os.
Obviously...
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then you are going to have to disagree with almost all people. This isn't a techy vs jock debate. These are apps which are built into the os and therefore part of the os.
But anyway this thread is meant for objective evaluation of WP7. If you want to continue this debate we should continue it somewhere else.

jz9833 said:
By going to the dailer and being able to spell "MOM" for example on the keys and it would automatically come up with the number for that contact.
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You can use search in the people hub for something very similar. Admittedly not an exact substitute but it works well enough for me.

jz9833 said:
I have been a long time WM user and recently switched to android for the past year. I am offering my take on WP7 on the pros on cons.
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Good post
jz9833 said:
USB Storage Device- glaring admission, but I can kind of see why. It helps stop piracy, but I loved being able to hook my fuze / tilt 2 / nexus 1 / vibrant to my car stereo and play the music I had downloaded on my phone.
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How does this increase piracy? If the files you buy on Zune are locked down they can still do this even if there is a common store of files accessible as usb mass storage. Either by drm or by using isolated storage for those files.
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Local Outlook Support- I knew this before hand, but I am in the crowd that says MS needs to add this ability.
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If you do it this way, then you are working with two sets of data (email, calendar, tasks, contacts, etc.) neither of which is guaranteed to be up to date. I don't see why people think this is preferable to a server-based system.
jz9833 said:
I will not buy that this phone is for dumb smart phone users.
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Hopefully this will be true; I will keep my fingers crossed. Currently, as I see it, they are targeting people who don't understand what files are, and would be confused by files, and who believe that music consists of songs arranged by artists into albums. I.e. the dumb mass market.

CSMR said:
How does this increase piracy? If the files you buy on Zune are locked down they can still do this even if there is a common store of files accessible as usb mass storage. Either by drm or by using isolated storage for those files.
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The cintent u purchase in zune have no drm..... The piracy statement is legit.
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though given you just purchased for your zune account, you can then access it on zune desktop, and burn discs from there. so no necessarily correct.
however, what i think of a common storage area is a good idea. just have it so that the pictures, videos, music, documents are in a folder view for when you plug the phone into your PC. it would really only require a bit of mapping within the OS to make it look like a storage unit. Even if it was just more restricted down to just the documents section, that's still something. better than nothing imo as i don't have access to skydrive at work. but aye, i can live with it, it's not going to make me want to return the phone.

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though given you just purchased for your zune account, you can then access it on zune desktop, and burn discs from there. so no necessarily correct.
however, what i think of a common storage area is a good idea. just have it so that the pictures, videos, music, documents are in a folder view for when you plug the phone into your PC. it would really only require a bit of mapping within the OS to make it look like a storage unit. Even if it was just more restricted down to just the documents section, that's still something. better than nothing imo as i don't have access to skydrive at work. but aye, i can live with it, it's not going to make me want to return the phone.
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Its 2001, people pirate with digital media. Cd piracy may still be hip in the third world, but I haven't operated a cd player in years (or used my computer to play one), much less bought or burned one.
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N8ter said:
Its 2001, people pirate with digital media. Cd piracy may still be hip in the third world, but I haven't operated a cd player in years (or used my computer to play one), much less bought or burned one.
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how about an MP3 cd? to play in your car? to lend to a friend? or your USB stick? as soon as it's available on zune desktop you have a copy of it... there is plenty ways around it. i'm not saying you should do it, i'm saying the possibilities are there.

N8ter said:
The cintent u purchase in zune have no drm..... The piracy statement is legit.
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If the files are not DRMed, and Microsoft wants to protect them, either it can DRM the files, or it can keep them in isolated storage. The existence of common storage doesn't exclude isolated storage.

How do you tell Microsoft what changes you want in WP7 - Officially

How do you inform Microsoft officially about things that stop you enjoying WP7 ??
Is there are phone number or email address etc ??
The privacy thing really bugs me that you don`t have the option to stop text messages popping up on my locked screen for example.
Also I would like them to fix the ability to search GAL with Exchange 2002 as it means I must carry two phones.
I am sure if Microsoft want to improve the experience for more users they would apprieciate feed back but I have no idea how to contact them... Tried calling thier UK customer service but it was a waste of time.

Have you tried social.answers.Microsoft.com?

adesonic said:
Have you tried social.answers.Microsoft.com?
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Correct, the current official way to submit feedback is http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsphone7/threads or http://forums.create.msdn.com/forums/ for feedback on development

Well I am sure many multinational companies still use exchange 2002 and my colleagues Iphone supports it for GAL but wp7 does not slightly embarrassing.

If you have bugs, I'm happy to report them to Microsoft for you. I don't work for them, but I am in direct touch with the WP7 platform manager.
I will not, however, report feature requests right now.

ebzrascal said:
Well I am sure many multinational companies still use exchange 2002.
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Oh? How sure?

im not sure if its a bug. but some things down show up on my facebook wall (when u click the "me" tile)
for example, pictures people upload and tag of me. it shows the ones i upload tho.
also.. would be nice to be able to tag the people im taking pictures.... but the first one. not sure if thats a bug. or just a missing feature. ur judgment call. but it would sure help so i can stop the drunken madness pictures before everyone else sees them. lol (prefeably be able to stop them when im still drunk. and not hung over in the morning checking facebook on my laptop)

Jim Coleman said:
Oh? How sure?
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owenw said:
If you have bugs, I'm happy to report them to Microsoft for you. I don't work for them, but I am in direct touch with the WP7 platform manager.
I will not, however, report feature requests right now.
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Could you please let them know alot of my friends and colleagues have been put off by not having the option to switch off the feature where new text messages display their contents in the notification panel. This even happens when the screen is locked and can be embarrassing when its personal or commercially sensitive information is being displayed in full view of other people.
Also will Global Address Lists be available when using Exchage 2003 or even 2003 (not sure which my company uses). It makes my work life easier to have this feature which I had in windows mobile and Iphone has it to.
Thanks

ebzrascal said:
Could you please let them know alot of my friends and colleagues have been put off by not having the option to switch off the feature where new text messages display their contents in the notification panel. This even happens when the screen is locked and can be embarrassing when its personal or commercially sensitive information is being displayed in full view of other people.
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There's a high tech solution to this: flip your phone so the screen is facing downwards when it's locked. Unless Superman is under the table, nobody will see anything.

Using WP beyond 6 months - Please comment here!

http://www.netbooknews.com/43643/why-i-left-windows-phone-7/
The reviewer here, left WP for Android after using it for 7 months.
Key issues that deterred here from using it beyond 7 months:
Lack of multitasking like Android where apps actually run in background
It did not connect to people as well as Android
Display resolution of 480 x 800
IE9 giving an error twice a month that - browser is out of date (new to me!)
Inability to share locations
You can't zoom in the maps (on pinned locations)
Can't share pics on Twitter (it's a **** experience -probably compared to iOS/Android?)
Now I for one know that I would disagree and can prove that those claims are wrong other than 3rd and 4th one as I've never had those issues. So they might be there waiting for me to discover it?
Anyone have similar issues after using the phone for more than a month or even better if you've used it over half a year!
Please don't troll.

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Lack of multitasking like Android where apps actually run in background
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Yeah he has a point there, although I think Microsoft's solution (toast notifications and Live Tiles) is better for the user and the battery life. However this limits the options of small developers.
drupad2drupad said:
It did not connect to people as well as Android
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Display resolution of 480 x 800
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At least for WP7 every app runs on (almost) every device, the only thing that's missing from some devices in the front facing camera.
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IE9 giving an error twice a month that - browser is out of date (new to me!)
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Newer happend to me either.
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Inability to share locations
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You can share locations on Facebook or using foursquare, WhatsApp etc.
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You can't zoom in the maps
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I don't really know what that means, in the maps app you can zoom in.
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Can't share pics on Twitter
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You can, Twitter is built right in.
I have been using WP7 since April 2011.

slimshady322 said:
Yeah he has a point there, although I think Microsoft's solution (toast notifications and Live Tiles) is better for the user and the battery life. However this limits the options of small developers.
At least for WP7 every app runs on (almost) every device, the only thing that's missing from some devices in the front facing camera. You can share locations on Facebook or using foursquare, WhatsApp etc. I don't really know what that means, in the maps app you can zoom in. You can, Twitter is built right in. I have been using WP7 since April 2011.
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Are you planning on moving away from WP anytime soon though?
A centralized notification area is definitely needed - probably within the 'ME' tile?

Never had any issues since Mango really, When I first started using WP7 on the HD7 early Jan 2011 I soon got bored with the lack of customisation as I had been using a HD2 and there was so much difference, I did go back to using my HD2 again but liked the new easy to use WP7 OS & after updating to mango I became more interested. I admit I don't fiddle with the phone as much any more but know it will do whatever I want when I want, Am happy with WP7 for now but eagerly await future updates to improve the few "lack of" features, I can't see me moving away just yet.

I personally do not agree with any of the issues listed and believe them to be false as far as useful experience. WP7 has been doing great for what I want and need since Mango and I actually have no plans to look at anything else. I use it for work as well and it fulfills it purpose and then some.
I have come from WM6 to Crackberry to this.
My family (4 of us) all have WP7 since VZW first released them and everyone is happy. I am the "IT" department for my family and we all came from RIMs and I have not had any "support" needs for the WP7 (same can not be said for RIM); it just works.

On a possessive note, as much as I grip and complain about WP 7; I have never had issues with IE 9 and find multitasking easy to use and don't see what people complain about. Twitter??? I personally don't use it on the phone nor the PC because it basically sucks. And about the display, well I see nothing wrong with it at all. There are so many other aspects of the phone that would have had made valid points for leaving WP which I will not bring up because I don't want to feed the troll/fanboys.

Been using it since Feb 2011. Am very happy with the platform and look forward to added functionality & features with Apollo.
I've not had any issues as he described. You can zoom in on maps. I've never seen that IE error. Sharing location is all over the place in WP and so is twitter sharing including pictures.
The resolution? Ok. Thats up to him if that is a platform killer. Can't argue with his preference on that.
Doesn't connect to people as well? Sorry I'm scratching my head here lol.
Apps running in background? Thats a preference as well, but I prefer the way MS has implemented it. When I was on Android it was a constant headache with stuff running my battery down when they shouldnt be running.

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On a possessive note, as much as I grip and complain about WP 7; I have never had issues with IE 9 and find multitasking easy to use and don't see what people complain about. Twitter??? I personally don't use it on the phone nor the PC because it basically sucks. And about the display, well I see nothing wrong with it at all. There are so many other aspects of the phone that would have had made valid points for leaving WP which I will not bring up because I don't want to feed the troll/fanboys.
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THAT is such a change from your remaining posts through out the forum, thanks!

drupad2drupad said:
Are you planning on moving away from WP anytime soon though?
A centralized notification area is definitely needed - probably within the 'ME' tile?
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No I'll stay with my LG Optimus 7 for some time. At some point I will upgrade and I will probably again chose a WP7 device, but before I upgrade I would like MS to provide an option to backup my LG Optimus 7 and transfer all the data to another phone. Even though most stuff is in the cloud, I have tree stars in every Angry Birds level and I don't want to loose that
But I agree with you that the notifications should be stored somewhere.

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No I'll stay with my LG Optimus 7 for some time. At some point I will upgrade and I will probably again chose a WP7 device, but before I upgrade I would like MS to provide an option to backup my LG Optimus 7 and transfer all the data to another phone. Even though most stuff is in the cloud, I have tree stars in every Angry Birds level and I don't want to loose that
But I agree with you that the notifications should be stored somewhere.
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I think your wish will come true with Apollo as a 'total' back up is scheduled to be introduced. You will be able to back up 'everything' - unlike Android full back ups like Titanium where game scores are not backed up and neither are progresses!
Probably Apollo is where WP will stop 'catching up' and start adding things

That reviewer must be on some kind of crack or something. I have not had issues with anything that he has mentioned and I have used WP since march 2011 and used all the mango betas. Only issue I have is with the disappearing keyboard and that you can't upload from the browser. I would also want a backup solution,Skype and integrated public transit directions (already found a semi-integrated solution) to be 100% satisfied.

13 month user, I didn't like WP for a week, but never put my SIM back in my HD2..that's all I'll say about that ...
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11 months Mozart user here, since changing to WP, i had lots of free time to do my reading due to i spent less (actually almost none) time on tinkering or flashing my phone...
IMHO, I prefer the way MS integrated the "FAKE" multitasking method which I found it very suit my taste, and I can have total control on which apps I gave permission on background task, feel like I had total control of the phone (don't flame me because I know that some others had a different definition on Full Control of their device)

I find all of his accusations false except maybe 9. I think he means auto sharing location. There is some app i've seen peeps complain about because windows phone will only report your location automatically if it is in the foreground. From a security standpoint though, i'd be glad it doesn't but if you like that kind of app i guess that would be an issue.
The rest is BS. I've been using Windows phone since i got my surround for 180.00 off ebay (wasn't sure if i would like windows phone and my contract was up soon so i didn't want to waste my upgrade in case i didn't like it.) I used my upgrade to get a titan and my wife uses the surround to play games and use facebook. (she has a flip phone and didn't want to pay for data even though i swear to her i can shut the data off... i just got a purple case coming in from ebay so i may sway her )

i dont have any problems of them maybe the problem is the girl who tested DD

I have been using WP for a year. I still have my Nexus One that I used to use while travelling for Wifi hotspot and Navigation reasons. Mango and Navigon have resolved these issues. I still miss the notification tray/center and I sincerely hope WP gets it soon. Those who have used Android will vouch for me about importance of a good notification system.
Having said that, WP is my daily driver. The one thing that WP offers, that Android lacks, is the peace of mind. With Android, it was flash a ROM every week. Most of these ROM upgreades were not for features but for stability or improving some feature that google didn't integrate properly. Android reminds me of my WM days. Powerful but not a stable, cohesive experience.
I plan to stay with WP at least till beyond Apollo. I am curious to see how they integrate Windows 8, Xbox and WP8.

ive admitted only had my windows phone a week but after a serious play over the weekend when ive not been working - videos, photos, borwsing, messages etc.. you name it.
my only gripe is the volume/vibrate with no optin for silent and no vibrate.
Tother than that - coming from my HD2 which had been modded, my Titan seems very polished and smooth.

The article is BS, the only valid point is the screen resolution one.

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go to settings/sounds and ringtone/ set vibration to off
then on home screen you can toggle between ring and "silent"

pakure said:
my only gripe is the volume/vibrate with no optin for silent and no vibrate..
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go to settings/sounds and ringtone/ set vibration to off
then on home screen you can toggle between ring and "silent"
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That is true, but it is a far from optimal workaround. Changing that setting doesn't just affect silent mode, it affects both ring and silent mode. I think what Symondo is asking for is a way to conveniently toggle between ring+vibrate, vibrate-only, and complete silence without resorting to opening the settings app.

[Q] will WP7.8 support skype in the background... yes or no?

Can't seem to have a clear answer... Will VOIP (such as skype, Viber...) work in the background on WP7.8?
In my opinion, this makes a huge difference for most.
If you want to compare Windows phone (the Lumia 900 for example) with other same standard phones... The 900 is amazing. However, it majorly lacks VOIP running in the background.
Recent WP customers may have known the risk of not getting WP8... but the skype thing is something else.
Anyway, I'm just wondering if it's official... will WP7.8 support skype in the background or not?

So far there have been no specifics on what exactly the 7.8 update will contain. Nokia has said they would bring anything in that didn't require new hardware but we have to wait and see what that is. Hopefully it will be more than just the new home screen.

considering at the dev conference when the presenter was asked to swipe sideways from home screen to the app list and he said "I can't it will crash"..... who knows what is going to be available where. All they are confirming is the home screen. Anything else at this point is just a guess.

Definitely NO. The only new feature that will come with 7.8 is the new home screen.

foxbat121 said:
Definitely NO. The only new feature that will come with 7.8 is the new home screen.
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its a yes, 20th event was only a 'sneak peek' for developers as their title suggest. They didn't say they were announcing everything and unlike last year mango they were more secretive now to prevent google from reversing.
In the coming months you will see Microsoft unveiling more featured then RTM and release to public
Moreover windows phone 7.8 might still be there even after WP9 for lower end device, we will still see support.

hx4700 Killer said:
considering at the dev conference when the presenter was asked to swipe sideways from home screen to the app list and he said "I can't it will crash"..... who knows what is going to be available where. All they are confirming is the home screen. Anything else at this point is just a guess.
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If the only feature they did announce isn't even working 100% yet, how can something much more complex like integrating VOIP and changes in multitasking possibly have any hope of shipping. My guess is that the VOIP API is tied to the Win RTP kernel. We can hope and dream for it to show up in a 7.9+ (if there is ever any). But I'm not holding my breath.

LastBattle said:
its a yes
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Says who. Just because they didn't anounce futher details, doesn't mean it is yes. The feature Skype relies on is such a big change in OS level as well as SilverLight player level that I doubt MS will port them over in such a short time frame.

foxbat121 said:
Definitely NO. The only new feature that will come with 7.8 is the new home screen.
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And your sources are.....?

Words of advice: If MS is keeping their lips tight about something, it either will not happen or you will receive a negative outcome that crumbles your speculation. So, NO
MS mobile division have done enough that I can tell just by observing how they respond to the matters.

No since Windows CE kernel doesn't have proper background task support.

RandomXIII said:
No since Windows CE kernel doesn't have proper background task support.
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That's wrong. Win CE kernel has multi-tasking support from long time ago. However, the WP7 layer on top of that, specifically the silver light player that is used for normal app support lacks that. Unless MS wants to make a native Skype app that runs below the WP7 app layer, there is no easy way to add that. Either way it is a rather big task and I just don't see MS spends resource to do that. Besides, a lot of the customers could care less about Skype support. It is not a make or break feature in general.
The ball is really on Nokia's court to bring WP8 to Lumia 900. It is possible and actually critical for Nokia's own sake (customer satisfaction).

Let me highlight my response in bold so that you people can read: "proper background task support." Does WP7 has proper background task support ? No.

You should read your own posts properly. Win CE does have proper background task support (as proper as Android is). WP7 doesn't as far as 3rd party apps go but select few first party apps from Microsoft can indeed run as true back ground tasks.

RandomXIII said:
Let me highlight my response in bold so that you people can read: "proper background task support." Does WP7 has proper background task support ? No.
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Music player... phone calls.... background support is possible. DUH.

hx4700 Killer said:
Music player... phone calls.... background support is possible. DUH.
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Microsoft officially announced what will be in 7.8: new home screen, 100,000 apps and counting, and Nokia Lumia exclusive apps.

I hate to admit it, but I have a feeling it's true... Lumias won't be able to run VOIP in the background.
MS/Nokia could find excuses, explanations, promises, etc... Bottom line is $125 android devices can run VOIP in the background while $600 Lumias can't.

If MS keep their lips tight, expect the worst. Nokia went out of way saying their entry level Lumia 610 could run skype, MS didn't comment; well that came back and bit them.
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I hate to admit it, but I have a feeling it's true... Lumias won't be able to run VOIP in the background.
MS/Nokia could find excuses, explanations, promises, etc... Bottom line is $125 android devices can run VOIP in the background while $600 Lumias can't.
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Any one notice

That they were very careful not to show the App list?
Start demo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyjtllCRw0M&feature=youtube_gdata_player
They also completely ignored the multitasking windows. Even though references were made to it.
WP8 features demo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmdRfJuq96s&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Full video if you haven't seen it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=royJee1SQlY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I can't wait to see what changes they've made. I'm guessing they went Meego, swipe to the right for apps, swipe to the left for multitasking instead of social networking like in Meego.
Meego
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmkjNIRV_kQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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They didn't show app list because they had bug in that specific build of WP where it didn't show any icons, just the name of the applications.
(Not sure if it is in the videos.)

I wondered about the app list myself, as the little arrow is no longer there. Interesting that others have picked up on that. "if I know Microsoft, that little arrow means that the app list has changed".
The thing that pisses me off to no end, is WHY show WP8 in June?? It's not launching until fall, what on earth are they gaining by this? Idiotic.
You wanna sell product? Demo it no later than two weeks before it's available. Ride the hype. All they're doing is giving it time to die down. By the time it finally gets released, everyone is ho hum about it.
So fundamental, yet so ignored. Then they'll wonder why they can't break 2% market share.

OndraSter said:
They didn't show app list because they had bug in that specific build of WP where it didn't show any icons, just the name of the applications.
(Not sure if it is in the videos.)
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That's interesting
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sure haven't said:
I wondered about the app list myself, as the little arrow is no longer there. Interesting that others have picked up on that. "if I know Microsoft, that little arrow means that the app list has changed".
The thing that pisses me off to no end, is WHY show WP8 in June?? It's not launching until fall, what on earth are they gaining by this? Idiotic.
You wanna sell product? Demo it no later than two weeks before it's available. Ride the hype. All they're doing is giving it time to die down. By the time it finally gets released, everyone is ho hum about it.
So fundamental, yet so ignored. Then they'll wonder why they can't break 2% market share.
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I have no idea, but we won't officially see IOS 6 until the fall. However the beta is a available now.
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vetvito said:
I have no idea, but we won't officially see IOS 6 until the fall. However the beta is a available now.
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Exactly. Apple unveils their software well ahead of time. It is the hardware that they tend to be very hush hush about. Because it is easier to copy hardware and harder to copy software. Esp with patents.
But when Apple does it (preview iOS in Summer for Fall) they are marketing geniuses. When MS does it... But on another note they need to give devs time to work with the software. People would leak it anyway.

I wondered the same thing about the app list, but another thing to think about: the "gutter" start screen had an arrow to show that there is content to the right of the main screen (apps) but since the new start screen is full of tiles, the arrow is gone. now that is moot to people like us but average users will have trouble finding the app list since no indicator is present telling you where to look. this can mean two things, either the build is so early they did not implement a similar indicator to serve the same need, or they plan to do something totally different to allow users to see all their apps (access them from a start tile perhaps?)

mike21pr said:
I wondered the same thing about the app list, but another thing to think about: the "gutter" start screen had an arrow to show that there is content to the right of the main screen (apps) but since the new start screen is full of tiles, the arrow is gone. now that is moot to people like us but average users will have trouble finding the app list since no indicator is present telling you where to look. this can mean two things, either the build is so early they did not implement a similar indicator to serve the same need, or they plan to do something totally different to allow users to see all their apps (access them from a start tile perhaps?)
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There are no arrows in both iOS and Android to indicate more apps, and people don't have a problem with that. All it takes is about 5 seconds for the sales rep to swipe left and show it to the customer and he won't forget anymore.

albertleao said:
There are no arrows in both iOS and Android to indicate more apps, and people don't have a problem with that. All it takes is about 5 seconds for the sales rep to swipe left and show it to the customer and he won't forget anymore.
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Untrue.
iOS uses little dots at the bottom of the screen. The bright dot is the current page of apps and the grey dots are all the other pages.
Android has a dedicated button/softkey for accessing the apps list. Of course, that button looks different, depending on the skin.
So, yes, the other softwares DO have indication of apps/more apps.

sure haven't said:
I wondered about the app list myself, as the little arrow is no longer there. Interesting that others have picked up on that. "if I know Microsoft, that little arrow means that the app list has changed".
The thing that pisses me off to no end, is WHY show WP8 in June?? It's not launching until fall, what on earth are they gaining by this? Idiotic.
You wanna sell product? Demo it no later than two weeks before it's available. Ride the hype. All they're doing is giving it time to die down. By the time it finally gets released, everyone is ho hum about it.
So fundamental, yet so ignored. Then they'll wonder why they can't break 2% market share.
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....why don't you get it that this presentation was not for the public but for developers? If you want to launch a new OS in fall, when do you think is the right moment to talk to developers to produce apps for your new OS? 10 days before the launch? Maybe next time Microsoft should invite only certified developers, keep out the press so that peoples like you don't feel ignored...