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Poll-Rhodium Android Development Sub-forum Request!!!

I am posting this only because I am sick, as many of us are, of searching through 10 forums/sub-forums, polls and bountys just to get the information on updates to Android running on our TP2's.
Please vote!!!
Doing this to hopefully get the attention of the mods.

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Any other takers?

I voted. I wish all applicable phone forum groups would have an Android sub-forum in them. It would surely clean up the forums a lot!

i definately agree that we should have a sticky for this, would make things much easier to have everything in one place, a one-stop forum for all that is android

87 page threads can be a little tough to sort through too. Hopefully having their own forum will allow them to decompress a little and let noobs like myself get a better idea of the progress without investing enough time to read war and peace. +1 for an Rhodium Android subforum.
no, I like searching in umpteen different places. 4 10.00%
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There's never a shortage of wisenheimers on the interwebz.

I dunno this survey question seems iffy

I would definitely like this - there needs to be more threads for Android on Rhodium as things develop, and they need to be kept together. A sub-forum would fit the bill perfectly.

great idea!

I think a subforum would be a great idea...

You could say the same things for any of the more popular WM ROMs too though, e.g. threads with thousands of responses are out of hand and very hard to manage.

steviewevie said:
You could say the same things for any of the more popular WM ROMs too though, e.g. threads with thousands of responses are out of hand and very hard to manage.
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Yeah, what this guy said, + the Android sticky; [email protected]

I think what we really need is a mod to close all the Android threads. Then someone who cares about keeping stuff up to date (Read my vote as reefermattness) start a new thread.

I think it is becoming cumbersome to try to sift through all of the threads and post to see if anything has been updated on the XDAndroid project. It would help a lot to see it all in one sub-forum. It would help to clean up the other Rhodium forums also.
Everyone keep up the great work and keep showing all of our support for Android for Rhodium!

an idea whose time has come

schwalbach said:
I dunno this survey question seems iffy
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I think bringing it to the attention of the mods may help things. Because there is so much development why not have a sub forum to weed through instead of getting it mixed up with the great Roms that are listed in this sub.
demonicronin said:
I think it is becoming cumbersome to try to sift through all of the threads and post to see if anything has been updated on the XDAndroid project. It would help a lot to see it all in one sub-forum. It would help to clean up the other Rhodium forums also.
Everyone keep up the great work and keep showing all of our support for Android for Rhodium!
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Exactly what I am trying to say.

stop being lazy and search/read
or you can go here for one stop information
Android 1.6/2.0 on the HTC Rhodium
just joking around with you guys. Also, just want to give you guys couple links that is working for me (the above and my signature)

i think it is still too early to request an adroid subforum...first get everything to work...then request it
since not everything works
anyway this subforum isn't called "wm rom development",but rom development..so it is totally reasonable that such threads go here
so please triplecheck before you request something...

farukb said:
i think it is still too early to request an adroid subforum...first get everything to work...then request it
since not everything works
anyway this subforum isn't called "wm rom development",but rom development..so it is totally reasonable that such threads go here
so please triplecheck before you request something...
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Except it's not a ROM yet, so I guess it shouldn't belong here. And it's not an application so it shouldn't belong in the Apps sub-forum either.
So let's call it Android Development!

biscuits1978 said:
Except it's not a ROM yet, so I guess it shouldn't belong here. And it's not an application so it shouldn't belong in the Apps sub-forum either.
So let's call it Android Development!
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+1

fortunz said:
87 page threads can be a little tough to sort through too.....
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Imagine having to sort through a 797 page thread.... *cough* NRG *cough*
I do agree that we should have a subforum here though, because I never know where to look for TP2 Android port updates, and it seems like if i do find a dedicated thread, theres someone saying to check "the other thread" for more information on one aspect or another... It would be great to have it all in one place!

[REQ FOR MODERATORS] CDMA Desire Subforum

This is a request for a moderator to start a CDMA Desire Subforum. Currently, all development for the Desire has been GSM only and most, if not all modifications will brick the new CDMA Desire. A subforum would help prevent a user from trying an incorrect mod for their phone and would pool resources for development for the CDMA Desire.

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Sent from my (CDMA) HTC Desire

If I were you, I wouldn't ask for a subforum off of the Desire section - I'd ask for a completely new device forum.
The CDMA Hero was originally a subforum of the GSM Hero's forum, and was later moved into it's own forum. Better to start that way IMHO.
Regards,
Dave

you should post this request in about xda-developers.com in the main forum so the admins can read it

AndroHero said:
you should post this request in about xda-developers.com in the main forum so the admins can read it
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I definitely will.

foxmeister said:
The CDMA Hero was originally a subforum of the GSM Hero's forum, and was later moved into it's own forum. Better to start that way IMHO.
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Wasn't the CDMA Hero essentially a completely different phone to the GSM one?
Is the CDMA Desire completely different to the GSM version, apart of course from the radio?

sorch said:
Wasn't the CDMA Hero essentially a completely different phone to the GSM one?
Is the CDMA Desire completely different to the GSM version, apart of course from the radio?
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No - it was pretty much the same phone in a different case, with a different Qualcomm chipset to support CDMA.
The CDMA Desire uses the same case as the GSM Desire, but again uses a different Qualcomm chipset to support CDMA.
Regards,
Dave

Very much agreed. With only a single forum for both phones its making it harder to find support, as well as customizations.

vis0nz said:
Very much agreed. With only a single forum for both phones its making it harder to find support, as well as customizations.
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The phone is end-of-life now. It pretty much doesn't matter. There is no way anyone is going to look for and move all CDMA threads. Its not likely there will be many CDMA threads newly created.

rootSU said:
The phone is end-of-life now. It pretty much doesn't matter. There is no way anyone is going to look for and move all CDMA threads. Its not likely there will be many CDMA threads newly created.
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SwiftKeyed from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk.

rootSU said:
The phone is end-of-life now. It pretty much doesn't matter. There is no way anyone is going to look for and move all CDMA threads. Its not likely there will be many CDMA threads newly created.
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Agree. Never going to happen. Anyone notice the original date on the OP?

Droidzone said:
Agree. Never going to happen. Anyone notice the original date on the OP?
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Naw, damn Tapatalk. Trashing opportunity missed

Droidzone said:
Anyone notice the original date on the OP?
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Yes of course

Threads moved.

I moved as many threads as I could from the GSM section to here. If I missed any, please just link them in here and I'll get them moved. Thanks for the help.

Hopefully this will spark some more interest in development! I'm still learning!

I think this was a bad idea.
Its going to cause problems/confusion when it comes down to posting topics, ie what if a dev topic is not restricted to one or the other?
A much better way would have been to simply enforce set tagging standards, no need to split sections like this. It would have been like splitting the HD2 section into EURO/TMOUS (512MB/1GB) sections, its just impractical and doesn't improve things which is why tagging is a much better idea.

TheATHEiST said:
I think this was a bad idea.
Its going to cause problems/confusion when it comes down to posting topics, ie what if a dev topic is not restricted to one or the other?
A much better way would have been to simply enforce set tagging standards, no need to split sections like this. It would have been like splitting the HD2 section into EURO/TMOUS (512MB/1GB) sections, its just impractical and doesn't improve things which is why tagging is a much better idea.
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But that's also much harder to enforce

It harder to enforce.
The dev section is supposed to be about releasing a product. If your release is for either or, I'm not gonna complain if you post it in both places. That makes it a little more work to follow, but i believe its reasonable.

suggestion to alleviate that problem is to make a sticky post Call shared points of interest [CDMA-GSM] name not being important but u can keep an archive of things that have interest cross platform and to make it easier ask that the dev/readers tag posts that fit that topic.

option94 said:
It harder to enforce.
The dev section is supposed to be about releasing a product. If your release is for either or, I'm not gonna complain if you post it in both places. That makes it a little more work to follow, but i believe its reasonable.
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Amen. And it's not like it's that much more work to copy-paste to the different threads.
Personally, I love this change and have become way more active in the SGT development than when everything was mixed up.

I like the change but is there any way to get the change reflected in the android app? when i browse the forums in there, they are still mixed in one development thread. Its even more beneficial to have the split there where browsing is harder.

So, we're back to one section now? Or is it going to go back and forth for ever....

Bad move, I could easily see the files that applied to my device, now they are lost in all the GSM stuff thats useless to me.

Return please
just like to throw in my two cents I much prefer to have it split up it takes me forever now to find what I am looking for please put back to split it up for CMDA and GSM...Thanks

Are you guys on crack?
All you need to do is use your eyes and look for tags. You could even use search feature and search for "CDMA" and choose "Titles only" from the drop down menu.
Splitting the forums does more harm then good, its much better like this.

Really don't like this.
I think we should keep it separate. Lets get this organized. Too cluttered. What else can I say.

delete please

I much prefer them separated
Popped in to have a look at the latest updates (since I visited a few hours ago) and noticed a whole bunch of ROMs and kernels that I thought were new only to realise they are actually CDMA... Downloaded one and was just about to wipe when I noticed

Bobby Buggs said:
Bad move, I could easily see the files that applied to my device, now they are lost in all the GSM stuff thats useless to me.
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And vise versa! ALOT of noobs are going to be bricking devices because things are in different places... AGAIN! Sheesh...

Tatdude806 said:
And vise versa! ALOT of noobs are going to be bricking devices because things are in different places... AGAIN! Sheesh...
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And how is the forums been re-merged going to make them "brick" their device??
n00bs shouldn't be messing with their devices until they have done enough reading, if they mess their devices up its their own fault and their own problem.

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And how is the forums been re-merged going to make them "brick" their device??
n00bs shouldn't be messing with their devices until they have done enough reading, if they mess their devices up its their own fault and their own problem.
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True this, but you also have people who DO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING, that can make an error and pull the wrong item. It does happen. Much easier to leave it the way it was... IN TWO FORUMS!

TheATHEiST said:
Are you guys on crack?
All you need to do is use your eyes and look for tags. You could even use search feature and search for "CDMA" and choose "Titles only" from the drop down menu.
Splitting the forums does more harm then good, its much better like this.
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And how is the forums been re-merged going to make them "brick" their device??
n00bs shouldn't be messing with their devices until they have done enough reading, if they mess their devices up its their own fault and their own problem.
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You shouldn't be pushing your opinion as law and saying people with opposing views are on crack, but you are, just as newbs flash without reading.
With that logic, we just just put every single Samsung, no, wait, every single device on this forum in one section and just use tags. That'll teach the newbs and people that don't know every in and out of vBulletin.

I saw a thread with many complaint about having 2 separated forums in Galaxy Tab then i proposed to our user Experience Svetius the merge, now i'm seeing many complaint here about the merge:
If developers put on Title for what kind of phone they are building for [CDMA] [GSM] (or Euro and TMo,verizon, or whatever) it is fair enough, if a newbie doesnt know what kind of rom grab in this mode, for sure he doesnt know even if the forum is splitted, and remember that 75% of newbie doesnt even read any sticky thread and, for what i know, those threads are plenty of usefull informations for newbie and expert users.

I used XDA for all my Android needs in the past...

Now that I have a Galaxy Nexus and I'm looking threw to see what's out there to flash. I get to my favorite community here and find out that for whatever reason GSM and LTE models are mixed together in one big cluster f**k that can potentially brick my phone if I don't read the fine print. This is insanely dumb, it poses a potential risk for me even tho I feel I'm a seasoned veteran of the Android flashing community, and to anyone that is completely new to this and doesn't understand the subtle differences of CDMA and GSM. So here I am typing this out trying my damnedest to wrap my mind around WHY XDA DOESN'T CREATE SUB FORUMS FOR EACH TYPE. A lot of other sites do, and it makes the search 1000000x easier to navigate.
So please could some moderator explain to me the reasoning behind having one giant pool of ROMS and mods that are completely different from one another? Is it really that hard to create a sub forum to take you to either the CDMA or GSM version?
I'd like to get some feed back here or am I the only one that is slightly frustrated about this? I mean its completely unorganized and the whole forum just feels really sloppy already.

You're not the first to mention this and, if you searched (cause you're a vet with 47 posts), you'd know the Mods are looking into it
But in essence I agree, or you just hope the threads are labelled correctly (LTE/GSM)

Dude if you used XDA as much as you say you do then you would have done a search on this topic and realized that there are already 2 threads in the last week on this subject.
Mods can we please merge all "Separate GSM/LTE forums" posts.

yeah I did try searching for it, thanks for the most obvious response
but ya know what its hard to find something when I don't know what to call it....
you'll notice that I never used the word separate which is the key word I was missing
so thanks for the ****-ish way you gave me that info it was slightly helpful i guess...

Just for the record I agree with the op. However I'm not too worried about it. This site has given me so much and asked for very little in return. I'm just greatful to have access to all this great info.

robby88 said:
yeah I did try searching for it, thanks for the most obvious response
but ya know what its hard to find something when I don't know what to call it....
you'll notice that I never used the word separate which is the key word I was missing
so thanks for the ****-ish way you gave me that info it was slightly helpful i guess...
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Some veteran. You really can't just look at the title of the thread to see if it says "LTE" or not? The only important threads that should be looked through are on the first two or three pages. Not that hard.
If you seriously brick your phone because you can't figure out whether something is LTE or GSM, you are a bit slow IMO. So far we only have one page of relevant ROMS and mods in dev section and you're already complaining about having trouble finding things when search isn't even necessary. Come on...
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App

It's because this site is a joke. There are so many things wrong with the way XDA structures and manages these forums. Look at rootzwiki...or even droid forums. The mods actually do their jobs there and make it EASIER for devs to post their work and manage their users problems by preventing/deleting/combining duplicate threads. Both of those forums even provide sub-forums for popular devs to let them manage it as well. And a simple thing like separating the LTE and GSM versions into their own forum was a non-issue at rootzwiki...yet here at XDA it seems we're asking the admins to split the atom.
That's why devs are/have moved to rootzwiki to post their work. Sure they'll copy and paste their topics over here eventually, but the difference is that if you want your post to be read by someone at the developer level, you're probably at the wrong forum. You should have seen the XDA droid bionic forums before everyone packed up and went onto rootz...LOL, it was like the wild west.

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Some veteran. You really can't just look at the title of the thread to see if it says "LTE" or not? The only important threads that should be looked through are on the first two or three pages. Not that hard.
If you seriously brick your phone because you can't figure out whether something is LTE or GSM, you are a bit slow IMO. So far we only have one page of relevant ROMS and mods in dev section and you're already complaining about having trouble finding things when search isn't even necessary. Come on...
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I wasn't talking about myself jackass, there are tons of people out there that have never flashed a phone before and not knowing the difference between GSM and CDMA can be a confusing concept for most. So thanks for trying to make me out to be the jackass when you've accomplished that all on your own.
I'm not having trouble finding anything considering there are only 2-3 ROMs for LTE, but in a month there's going to be 50 pages of crap to sift threw. So that's the problem I see, and the fact that if it was just broken down in to 2 different sub forums from the start would of been something very simple and I just don't see why it wasn't/hasn't been done.

quentin0 said:
It's because this site is a joke. There are so many things wrong with the way XDA structures and manages these forums. Look at rootzwiki...or even droid forums. The mods actually do their jobs there and make it EASIER for devs to post their work and manage their users problems by preventing/deleting/combining duplicate threads. Both of those forums even provide sub-forums for popular devs to let them manage it as well. And a simple thing like separating the LTE and GSM versions into their own forum was a non-issue at rootzwiki...yet here at XDA it seems we're asking the admins to split the atom.
That's why devs are/have moved to rootzwiki to post their work. Sure they'll copy and paste their topics over here eventually, but the difference is that if you want your post to be read by someone at the developer level, you're probably at the wrong forum. You should have seen the XDA droid bionic forums before everyone packed up and went onto rootz...LOL, it was like the wild west.
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It may be disorganized and full of duplicate threads, but it is an excellent resource. I have been here since Windows mobile 6, The G1, and a whole slew in android phones... and it is the same story. The devs move to some other site. You get a new phone and everyone comes back to XDA. If more people kept their mouth shut the site would be easier to navigate. I could care less, as I mostly lurk and find what I am looking for. No need to comment in every thread, because it probably wouldn't contribute much.
XDA is a great resource, if you don't like it go to another site and browse their forums.

axion68 said:
It may be disorganized and full of duplicate threads, but it is an excellent resource. I have been here since Windows mobile 6, The G1, and a whole slew in android phones... and it is the same story. The devs move to some other site. You get a new phone and everyone comes back to XDA. If more people kept their mouth shut the site would be easier to navigate. I could care less, as I mostly lurk and find what I am looking for. No need to comment in every thread, because it probably wouldn't contribute much.
XDA is a great resource, if you don't like it go to another site and browse their forums.
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I completely agree, I started flashing my first droid and found everything I needed right here with super helpful devs and a mostly wonderful community that would aid you. I personally don't care what gets posted in General though. I think only dev's should be able to post in the development forum to keep things to a minimum, but if a topic needs to be brought up multiple times to get it done then so be it. That's how things get done if a topic is shoved back into the darkness then it needs to be brought to light over and over til something gets done.

I agree totally, I started using rootz instead because they seperated the 2 devices. Also it should be GSM or CDMA. LTE is GSM. Lots of confusion can happen here.

[REQ] Separate threads for GSM vs. VZW!

Seriously.... many accessories incompatible between the two, e.g. batteries... can we get separate threads or at least some posting guidelines to identify GSM or VZW?

Yes please!

I second this motion!
Please at least tag posts with [VZW] or [GSM]

Yes please! At least for Accessories!

Problem is most retailers don't even tell you if its make for one or the other. It kinda makes me mad. We just need to be more specific with the titles of threads IMHO.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

hammer2309 said:
I second this motion!
Please at least tag posts with [VZW] or [GSM]
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This is good enough.

lp1527 said:
Seriously.... many accessories incompatible between the two, e.g. batteries... can we get separate threads or at least some posting guidelines to identify GSM or VZW?
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I think this is very much needed!

I have had a couple other phones that have 2 variants(GSM & CDMA) and the only sub forum I have ever seen them split is the dev section. I don't think they will split the accessories section. We just have to do a better job at tagging the threads as mentioned before.

I agree. I don't like too much separation. I like to easily see whats being done for the other side. The Dev section is hard enough.