I moved as many threads as I could from the GSM section to here. If I missed any, please just link them in here and I'll get them moved. Thanks for the help.
Hopefully this will spark some more interest in development! I'm still learning!
I think this was a bad idea.
Its going to cause problems/confusion when it comes down to posting topics, ie what if a dev topic is not restricted to one or the other?
A much better way would have been to simply enforce set tagging standards, no need to split sections like this. It would have been like splitting the HD2 section into EURO/TMOUS (512MB/1GB) sections, its just impractical and doesn't improve things which is why tagging is a much better idea.
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I think this was a bad idea.
Its going to cause problems/confusion when it comes down to posting topics, ie what if a dev topic is not restricted to one or the other?
A much better way would have been to simply enforce set tagging standards, no need to split sections like this. It would have been like splitting the HD2 section into EURO/TMOUS (512MB/1GB) sections, its just impractical and doesn't improve things which is why tagging is a much better idea.
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But that's also much harder to enforce
It harder to enforce.
The dev section is supposed to be about releasing a product. If your release is for either or, I'm not gonna complain if you post it in both places. That makes it a little more work to follow, but i believe its reasonable.
suggestion to alleviate that problem is to make a sticky post Call shared points of interest [CDMA-GSM] name not being important but u can keep an archive of things that have interest cross platform and to make it easier ask that the dev/readers tag posts that fit that topic.
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It harder to enforce.
The dev section is supposed to be about releasing a product. If your release is for either or, I'm not gonna complain if you post it in both places. That makes it a little more work to follow, but i believe its reasonable.
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Amen. And it's not like it's that much more work to copy-paste to the different threads.
Personally, I love this change and have become way more active in the SGT development than when everything was mixed up.
I like the change but is there any way to get the change reflected in the android app? when i browse the forums in there, they are still mixed in one development thread. Its even more beneficial to have the split there where browsing is harder.
So, we're back to one section now? Or is it going to go back and forth for ever....
Bad move, I could easily see the files that applied to my device, now they are lost in all the GSM stuff thats useless to me.
Return please
just like to throw in my two cents I much prefer to have it split up it takes me forever now to find what I am looking for please put back to split it up for CMDA and GSM...Thanks
Are you guys on crack?
All you need to do is use your eyes and look for tags. You could even use search feature and search for "CDMA" and choose "Titles only" from the drop down menu.
Splitting the forums does more harm then good, its much better like this.
Really don't like this.
I think we should keep it separate. Lets get this organized. Too cluttered. What else can I say.
delete please
I much prefer them separated
Popped in to have a look at the latest updates (since I visited a few hours ago) and noticed a whole bunch of ROMs and kernels that I thought were new only to realise they are actually CDMA... Downloaded one and was just about to wipe when I noticed
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Bad move, I could easily see the files that applied to my device, now they are lost in all the GSM stuff thats useless to me.
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And vise versa! ALOT of noobs are going to be bricking devices because things are in different places... AGAIN! Sheesh...
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And vise versa! ALOT of noobs are going to be bricking devices because things are in different places... AGAIN! Sheesh...
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And how is the forums been re-merged going to make them "brick" their device??
n00bs shouldn't be messing with their devices until they have done enough reading, if they mess their devices up its their own fault and their own problem.
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And how is the forums been re-merged going to make them "brick" their device??
n00bs shouldn't be messing with their devices until they have done enough reading, if they mess their devices up its their own fault and their own problem.
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True this, but you also have people who DO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING, that can make an error and pull the wrong item. It does happen. Much easier to leave it the way it was... IN TWO FORUMS!
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Are you guys on crack?
All you need to do is use your eyes and look for tags. You could even use search feature and search for "CDMA" and choose "Titles only" from the drop down menu.
Splitting the forums does more harm then good, its much better like this.
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And how is the forums been re-merged going to make them "brick" their device??
n00bs shouldn't be messing with their devices until they have done enough reading, if they mess their devices up its their own fault and their own problem.
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You shouldn't be pushing your opinion as law and saying people with opposing views are on crack, but you are, just as newbs flash without reading.
With that logic, we just just put every single Samsung, no, wait, every single device on this forum in one section and just use tags. That'll teach the newbs and people that don't know every in and out of vBulletin.
I saw a thread with many complaint about having 2 separated forums in Galaxy Tab then i proposed to our user Experience Svetius the merge, now i'm seeing many complaint here about the merge:
If developers put on Title for what kind of phone they are building for [CDMA] [GSM] (or Euro and TMo,verizon, or whatever) it is fair enough, if a newbie doesnt know what kind of rom grab in this mode, for sure he doesnt know even if the forum is splitted, and remember that 75% of newbie doesnt even read any sticky thread and, for what i know, those threads are plenty of usefull informations for newbie and expert users.
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quite simply, the the 'development and hacking' section of xda-devs has a cluelessn00b to developer ratio of about 1000-1. I understand that everyone is excited about some of the stuff that goes on in that section, but its bad for several reasons:
firstly, how can any dev communicate when people are continuously rudely demanding information (in broken english or text speek) which is on the first page of a thread or has been communicated several times since then.
secondly, its not safe for the cluelessn00bs... if i was a bit more evil, i could easily make an app to kill to boot loader and pretend that its the latest manila4d or whatever. real devs would probably think about it before running it, clueless noobs would dive right in and we'd have a wave of bricked devices.
i know its hard to fix this kind of issue, and this post is not meant as any disrespect to any mod or admin of xd.com (its clearly disrespect to the cluelessb00ns who cant read the domain name, the forum section nor the first post)
the only suggestions i can personally make are an allow list on threads - managed by the thread owner (and the ability to pass ownership of the first thread would make sense too) or maybe to post in dev+hacking you have to be a senior member (having said that, ive seen some senior members be as clueless and the n00bs)
i beg that some consideration is placed on this, because, in all reality, ive given up on the manila3d thread. theres just no point in me battling the waves of idiocy any longer. the chance of me actually developing? pffft.
It saddens me
I was a bit disappointed hearing this from a marvelous developer such as you are but I believe you are not evil because you have tried your best to bring us the best out of our devices
Please do reconsider...
I hear what you're saying, mate. I lurked around this place for over six months before making my first post, just reading up and learning. People don't want to read anymore...they think that this place is the instant free tech support center.
djboo, I don't agree! Most of the threads in D&H subforum are developer or constructive threads. This is not an easy thing to accomplish, and I think it shows the quality of the forum. You can't disable access to "noobs", developers make their stuff for everyone, not just other developers or experienced people! I'm glad if other people like something I make.
Partially agree...
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quite simply, the the 'development and hacking' section of xda-devs has a cluelessn00b to developer ratio of about 1000-1. I understand that everyone is excited about some of the stuff that goes on in that section, but its bad for several reasons:
firstly, how can any dev communicate when people are continuously rudely demanding information (in broken english or text speek) which is on the first page of a thread or has been communicated several times since then.
secondly, its not safe for the cluelessn00bs... if i was a bit more evil, i could easily make an app to kill to boot loader and pretend that its the latest manila4d or whatever. real devs would probably think about it before running it, clueless noobs would dive right in and we'd have a wave of bricked devices.
i know its hard to fix this kind of issue, and this post is not meant as any disrespect to any mod or admin of xd.com (its clearly disrespect to the cluelessb00ns who cant read the domain name, the forum section nor the first post)
the only suggestions i can personally make are an allow list on threads - managed by the thread owner (and the ability to pass ownership of the first thread would make sense too) or maybe to post in dev+hacking you have to be a senior member (having said that, ive seen some senior members be as clueless and the n00bs)
i beg that some consideration is placed on this, because, in all reality, ive given up on the manila3d thread. theres just no point in me battling the waves of idiocy any longer. the chance of me actually developing? pffft.
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I partially second that, although I think that membership seniority based on number of posts isn't the best practice if to implement what you proposed. As I, for example, don't post a lot but read the forum for almost 2 years, and have dev. background (and I guess there a lot of others like that), there are some that post a lot of questions and/or comments that are not that dev. inclined or do not have the knowledge (yet?).
I do see your point here, and me too stopped following the TF3D thread after tons of non development related issues. Maybe putting Dev/Hack as read-only and people would have to ask a mod / admin for posting rights on it? And then giving full access to the Q&A thread / new section? So devs. could enjoy it more, general community could still get the latest (downloading newer version from Dev/Hack, etc.) and get questions answered in an orderly fashion... BUT, what with those nice little apps people write and post here from time to time, that come from someone that is not THAT involved in the community? They'd simply go elsewhere, and I guess this IS the most valuable asset the community have. With all due respects to the "regulars", I think those that pass by once in a while and contribute are
invaluable too. Guess it's the price to pay for innovation, having to sort through the non-sense to find the gems.
In the end, I think the problem here are the filters we use. Maybe we just need to find a better way to organize the data here, so it's easier to follow... What I do hope, is that whatever is done, doesn't change the essence of this great oasis...
I kinda agree with ur second part but i'm sure someone would have told the mods if it was a "dangerous app", rite?
I am a noob
Ok, I understand quite well what you are saying. Being a noob myself, i am learning as much as i can, slowly but I hope surely.
I try to read thoroughfully each thread that I have interest in.
The only regret I have is the search engine. For example, I'm still searching for a thread where it explains how to modify spb mobile shell files to have PI8 as the default calendar. I know the intel is there somewhere, but I'm having a hard time to find the right post/thread.
So maybe one of the possibilities would be to enhance a little the search engine or the way results are shown => enlighten the searched words...
Please reconsider, don't be to hard on the noobs, I think we aren't so bad, some of us want to learn.
And thank you very much for your patience, talent and ideas.
I do agree too that there is too much "I like that.... whats it for?" when a lot of the time the developers do put the information in their posts. BUT..... sometimes these STUPID, RANDOM comments do contribute by putting an idea out there to be expanded on. Sometimes they provide needed feedback and ideas.
If you restrict access to these areas then you may as well shut down the site.
This is a forum and as such there will ALWAYS be those annoying clueless posts but you have to remember that you were once there yourself...
You have to make allowances for those members who DON'T speak english very well as they may be very tech savy but just have difficulty putting their ideas down in English. They may actually give something back..
And thats my 2 cents
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in fact there was a section missing , here , for asking
seems they are doing something very soon , reading the sticky thread
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and so the D&H will come back to be free for real dev
djboo perhaps you are a little hasty in this thread and I agree with some of what you say, however, alot of ppl respect everything you and other developers give us immensely! without ppl like yourself alot of us would never use Windows Mobile devices, instead following the masses of other "mind washed" CrApple iphone uses, anyway please don't stop sharing just because a few mindless teenagers didn't get enough Oxygen at birth!
people make their own choices. if you post something which might trigger a brick and someone uses it you can blame him for either trying something without investigating first or for just being plain stupid (depending on the circumstances).
the fact that this section is a target for terrorist idiots action isn't different from any other internet or real forum in the world. people tend to go wherever's warmer and cuddle there.. and try to suck every little ounce of good they can find in that place.
that's why you can find thousands of stupid posts and questions instead having a clear, professional section. not using search, not being able to read rules before posting.. that's international.
as for restricting... I must disagree to the proposal. it would require more work from the dev to find the members he'd like to share this with instead of just posting his work. and being a senior member on this forum means NOTHING considering it depends on the number of posts you have rather on how long you've been around or how much you have contributed to this community.
but what i do suggest is, that a member will have to be at least X months old in this forum to post. this will make people use search and learn before they come up with stupid questions.
cheers.
As a link above has p[pointed out, there is a new forum coming for questions. If you really have a problem with some of this noob questions, PM a mod/report the post.
Also, if you want to post a thread as an announcement, rather than a questions/answers thread, PM a mod to get it locked.
If you don't let new members post, they will never find anything out.
One final thing: you yourself have posted this in an area in which it doesn't belong. It has nothing to do with Development or Hacking, it's about what happens in this forum. As such, I'm going to move the thread to the "About xda-devs" section.
Thread's like this always remind me this post by Kyphur: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
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i dont beleive personally in censorship of anysort. seriously. im like a big ass hippy and everything.
but some of the people in the developers section of this site have barely developed full sentances let alone developed on an 'xda' phone. the floods of the same people asking the same questions over and over again is just disheartening.
maybe just the ability for the thread owner to delete posts would help. since about post 40 on the manila3d thread, theres been...ooh. 7 maybe 8 relevant posts? the rest have been 'my device wont turn off' which is answered in the first post.
meh. maybe we should just open up a new thread for the real developing. disguise the topic. then we might get some work done.
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i dont beleive personally in censorship of anysort. seriously. im like a big ass hippy and everything.
but some of the people in the developers section of this site have barely developed full sentances let alone developed on an 'xda' phone. the floods of the same people asking the same questions over and over again is just disheartening.
maybe just the ability for the thread owner to delete posts would help. since about post 40 on the manila3d thread, theres been...ooh. 7 maybe 8 relevant posts? the rest have been 'my device wont turn off' which is answered in the first post.
meh. maybe we should just open up a new thread for the real developing. disguise the topic. then we might get some work done.
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If you want closed developing, why not do it via e-mail, or PM?
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Thread's like this always remind me this post by Kyphur: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
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that man said it better than i ever could.
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If you want closed developing, why not do it via e-mail, or PM?
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i dont want closed developing. i want developing. currently the main thread in question is more like doing lines for teacher. once a day, log in, "HTC-CA drivers disable shutdown, TF3D uses those drivers. use manilatoggle to disable TF3D before you power down" x10
djboo said:
i dont beleive personally in censorship of anysort. seriously. im like a big ass hippy and everything.
but some of the people in the developers section of this site have barely developed full sentances let alone developed on an 'xda' phone. the floods of the same people asking the same questions over and over again is just disheartening.
maybe just the ability for the thread owner to delete posts would help. since about post 40 on the manila3d thread, theres been...ooh. 7 maybe 8 relevant posts? the rest have been 'my device wont turn off' which is answered in the first post.
meh. maybe we should just open up a new thread for the real developing. disguise the topic. then we might get some work done.
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djboo... I understand where you are coming from, but I also do not totally agree with your comments. Although I may be a noob, I do have a lot ov experiance in computing. I do not have the time to develop of backwords engineer apps. I wish I did. I would enjoy doing it. I agree with you that the thread owner should be able to delete posts that are off topic, but I think the thread owner should also move a question with an answer to the first page if they see multiple posts. This would make it easier to find some of the common answers. I agree that users should use the search, but it does not always return what you are looking for. I have made a post and been berated for not using the search (when in fact I had). I truly enjoy the work you and the rest of the developers are doing. Without you guys, my phone would be quite boring, but because of the work done on this site, I am quite happy with my phone and how it operates. I have friends that think I am a god because I help them with thier phone, but I would not be able to do half of what I do if it were not for the work done here. I hope you go back to work on Manilla3D. We noobs need the knowledge you provide. As for off topic posts such as the nes on the Manilla3D thread, a lot of them go on due to people endulging these people by answering thier post or flaming them. I have seen senior members do this and all it does is fuel a lot of these guys. Ignore them! Geez, I have had my ligidimate questions ignored, why not ignore the non-ligitimate ones? Anyway, I will get off my soap box. I appreciate everthing all of you developers do and I hope one day I will have the time to contribute to the development community. Take care.
It is possible to set up a "thread owner" or thread based permission system but it would take some work and more importantly a Vbulletin developer to iron out the issues that may come up.
I have tried it on one other site but it was a little difficult. Of course I think a more productive idea is to have developer groups. Vbulletin has a group system built in as of 3.7 and it allows for comments and such. In 3.8 it will allow groups to have their own message boards. With a little help you can set up 3.7 to also have message boards controlled by the owner of the group.
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Thread's like this always remind me this post by Kyphur: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
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that man said it better than i ever could.
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Yup that's why it's in my signature under XDA Mantra.
[highlight]Mod Edit: @Mikey or overground: I have stuck this thread in here, but I will let both of you decide on the future of this sticky as I don't want to step on your toes in the organization of such stickies. It is a pretty good "Read First" thread and should remain stuck IMHO.
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When you start to look into rooting your phone, remember what Uncle Ben said:
"With great power comes great responsibility."
I struggled with whether to post this thread under "Development" or "General." I didn't see anything similar already under Development, and I firmly believe a thread such as this needs to be front and center in the Development area. As the OTA has been leaked (twice!), more and more inexperienced "junior modders" have started to comment in the forums. This is all well and good, but there really should be a central, basic tutorial including terms, do's and don'ts, etc. available to those that need it, while at the same time cleaning up the threads for specific ROMs from non-ROM-specific questions.
With that being said, I am going to post some basic guidelines/facts below. If you believe any of this information is not correct, please PM me so that we can come to a collaborative agreement without spreading confusion within the thread.
General Information for Beginners (Please At Least Read This Info!)
1. ROOTING IS NOT FOR EVERYONE! Please don't root because it's "cool" if you don't have any idea what you're doing. There really is nothing wrong with waiting for the official OTAs, etc. If you want to experiment with your phone, I applaud you - but see #2.
2. Always read ALL of the directions in a thread FIRST. Keep in mind that many threads will direct you to yet another thread for full instructions on a process - read those instructions entirely too!
3. Once you read the instructions. FOLLOW THEM. Do not take shortcuts. If you do, you may be the owner of a very expensive paperweight.
4. If you think your phone is stuck, boot looping, frozen, or whatever else, especially during a system, radio or ROM flash - DO NOT REMOVE YOUR BATTERY. Step away from the phone, and give it time. Give it at least half an hour, then reassess. (Thanks to sryan2k1)
5. If you encounter a pitfall, you should search the thread before you post your request for help so that you can see if others have had similar difficulties, as well as how they resolved them if they did in fact fix the issue.
6. If you found a solution to your problem you've asked for help on - please, post that you resolved it, and HOW you resolved it, especially if none of the advice offered by others helped.
7. The developer community is inherently an open and helpful one. Always feel free to post your questions, but please try to do your research first and always post your questions in the proper forum and thread. (Thanks to Linux4me28)
8. It's good practice to always make a backup! That may take the form of Nandroid (backing up your entire system, usually through Recovery), but if you start dabbling in ADB it also means rather than overwriting files you should simply append the old file's name until you're sure you've got it right (myfile.zip > myfile.zip.bak).
Rooting and Mod Terms, Basics, etc.
1. "Rooting" means, essentially, providing yourself with administrative rights to your phone.
2. A "ROM" is basically an entire system image - think of it like Windows XP versus Windows 7.
3. A ROM will *not* root your phone.
4. "Bricking" your phone means it's permanently borked. If you can turn your phone on and get to virtually any system screen, you're probably not bricked, and there's probably hope for you and your device!
5. You must be already rooted to install a ROM.
6. A ROM is installed through a custom recovery, such as ClockworkMod Recovery.
7. There are tools in existence, such as UnrEvoked3.x that will assist in easily rooting your phone.
8. The "Radio" is (in layman's terms) the part of the phone that interacts with a service provider's tower, and it too has firmware. Flashing a Radio image is a bit more of a risky proposition than just flashing a ROM, but it may be required in some cases. Again, ALWAYS READ THE DIRECTIONS.
9. ROMs are device-specific and, oftentimes, Radio-specific as well. This means that you must pay attention to the requirements for the ROM you want to install.
10. Remember: Rooting doesn't mean that you'll have any more success in "pirating" software. It just means you'll be able to control more of your phone's functions. I think you'll find that the developer community is even more protective of IP rights than the average user-base. A lot of developers work off of donations, but that doesn't mean that credit for their original works shouldn't be given.
Miscellaneous
1. Google is your friend, and so is the "Search Thread" tool. Please do not post questions in a thread when you could easily, and more quickly, find the answer by doing a search. That's just lazy .
Links to Other Helpful Threads
HTC Droid Incredible Helpful/Popular Threads (Thanks to stroupified)
I welcome any additions, but let's keep this polite and courteous. I was new at this once, myself - three weeks ago I purchased my first Android device, the Dinc. And yes, I mean that to be a somewhat strange statement. Before I've done ANY modifications, I've read the instructions, read the entire thread, and followed all directions to the letter. The only pitfall I've had was because I took a shortcut - once (but I learned my lesson!).
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08/04/10 - Cleaned up some formatting and spelling. Added contributions from others.
08/05/10 - Added links from other contributors, as well as additional information. Things were also getting unwieldy, so I broke things up a bit to make it more readable. If everyone prefers it all mashed together like it was, please let me know.
Excellent advice, sir.
I lurked here for months before trying to root and install ROMS. While I'm not a pro at it yet and have much to learn, I have more confidence in what I'm doing.
I think the reason most people try rooting is because they think they will get "free" apps or something, like its something they can do to pirate software with their phone or something. I do not think they understand the process completely.
To simplify your post OP,
If you want to root and are inexperienced, read what you are doing first over and over or at least have insurance...Most problems people have is caused by their ignorance, not the fact a program did something wrong.
I was new to rooting with my Moto Droid. Before that I was loading hybrid OS's on my POS Storm. Due to having lots of computer experience, I picked up rooting and ADB quite easily. Most people that root though, I really think they are looking for the ability to pirate and not to install custom ROMs, themes, and/or run apps at root level.
^^^ This should be stickied...
I agree with op couldn't said it any better. Also agreed it should be sticky post.
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Excellent! Bravo!
TNS201 said:
I think the reason most people try rooting is because they think they will get "free" apps or something, like its something they can do to pirate software with their phone or something. I do not think they understand the process completely.
To simplify your post OP,
If you want to root and are inexperienced, read what you are doing first over and over or at least have insurance...Most problems people have is caused by their ignorance, not the fact a program did something wrong.
I was new to rooting with my Moto Droid. Before that I was loading hybrid OS's on my POS Storm. Due to having lots of computer experience, I picked up rooting and ADB quite easily. Most people that root though, I really think they are looking for the ability to pirate and not to install custom ROMs, themes, and/or run apps at root level.
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I have a character flaw of wanting to wring the very last drop of performance out of my electronic devices...plus I find it challenging.
I'm sure there's a bit of "I'm really not supposed to be doing this" involved as well.
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There is no reason this belongs in the dev thread. reported.
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I am going to have to disagree with you. A general set of guidelines for people to follow are always a good idea in a development forum. Something like this is bound to catch at least a few wandering eyes of new-comers into the site. By reading this, they will likely lurk around, read, and search before asking questions, avoiding possible flaming in the process (and making mod's lives a bit easier in the process too )
Also, fairly important, if you are in the middle of a flash/recovery, and you think the phone has frozen, or bricked, or stopped. DO NOT PULL THE BATTERY OUT.
Wait at least a half hour before touching it. It is the same with any device, a computer BIOS, phones, embedded devices, it may not look like it is doing anything, but it likely still is. That is one of the few ways to really brick a device is yank the power in the middle of a OS/ROM/Baseband/Etc flash.
We do it all the time on our hardware at work, but we have JTAG ports where we can reprogram the internal/external flash with a external tools. We don't have that luxury on these phones. Patience is your friend.
well said sir. the incredible was my first android device and i waited a couple months before i rooted it and felt comfortable with adb and weighed the benefits of rooting vs not rooting (that took like 2 min lol) I love technology and belive in running it to it's full potential because we paid $xxx.xx for our divices we should want to get our money's worth.
i was gonna suggest some threads that helped me out but someone has alread complied them into it's own thread. maybe you could make a shortcut for those people who are new to the forum. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=739428
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Good read, but it is just "General Information". How is it directly helping me development a ROM or OS update? Just wondering...
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It benefits you in that you hopefully might have fewer people cluttering your Dev threads. No offense, but you're assuming the average consumer is going to look in "General Information" for General Information. They don't. There should be some detterent in place. As these types of devices become more prevalent, you should understand that the average "Development" visitor and poster is no longer a Developer.
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thank you.
great hopefully more people will read this
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So what you are implying it isnt really a development section of the forum....maybe they need to lock it and just post releases to you in the general forum....no matter what people are still gonna post crap and clutter this place.
I vote lock this forum to developers only and make it read only for general public.
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magneticzero said:
i am entitled to my opinion. cheers!
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With all due respect, you have been around for less than a month. XDA has historically been a place where people contribute, come to learn from each other, and get help if needed be. What you are suggesting here goes completely against the whole ethos of XDA as a community. Non-devs come here to learn from the devs. Unfortunately, many people from the newer forums have very little tolerance for others who may not be at their level, and this really gets in my nerves as well as the rest of the mods. While I agree that people should search and read prior to posting questions, I wholeheartedly disagree with the fact that as of recently, people cannot even post a single question without being flamed to smithereens. The OP simply posted a very useful and to the point guide with suggestions (and yes, it is basic but not everyone can understand how to make a new kernel).
At this point, I would like to ask you to stop posting these kinds of comments in this thread. You are trying to start a very much unneeded argument in a thread whose sole purpose of existence is to prevent the sole thing that you are complaining about in the first place. This thread will stay in place and that's the end of it. I have talked this over with overground and Mikey (both in charge of this section) and they have agreed with my decision.
While you are entitled to give your two cents, you are not allowed to troll and or flame, and starting unnecessary arguments for no reason is considered flaming.
Quite honestly this is the most sensible piece of information on XDA. I implore you to talk to some of the other dev mods (particularly evo 4g) and offer to add this as a sticky. I've been here a short while myself, but have already seen things devolved to a level of non-civility that makes me not want to participate anymore myself.
Seriously, awesome post.
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With all due respect, you have been around for less than a month. XDA has historically been a place where people contribute, come to learn from each other, and get help if needed be. What you are suggesting here goes completely against the whole ethos of XDA as a community. Non-devs come here to learn from the devs. Unfortunately, many people from the newer forums have very little tolerance for others who may not be at their level, and this really gets in my nerves as well as the rest of the mods. While I agree that people should search and read prior to posting questions, I wholeheartedly disagree with the fact that as of recently, people cannot even post a single question without being flamed to smithereens. The OP simply posted a very useful and to the point guide with suggestions (and yes, it is basic but not everyone can understand how to make a new kernel).
At this point, I would like to ask you to stop posting these kinds of comments in this thread. You are trying to start a very much unneeded argument in a thread whose sole purpose of existence is to prevent the sole thing that you are complaining about in the first place. This thread will stay in place and that's the end of it. I have talked this over with overground and Mikey (both in charge of this section) and they have agreed with my decision.
While you are entitled to give your two cents, you are not allowed to troll and or flame, and starting unnecessary arguments for no reason is considered flaming.
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We all need to start somewhere. Few people come here at the level of a Mr Koush.
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We all need to start somewhere. Few people come here at the level of a Mr Koush.
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You know what's great though? Even he offered to meet me in IRC to help with an issue one time. That's what's great about this community.
I am a lurker and while I was good at messing with custom ROMS in Windows, I have been crawling up a steep learning curve with Android. But then I am a 50 year old lady lawyer so of course it's steep...
I rarely post anything. I do NOT ask questions because I do not want yelled at. BUT!
I have learned a great deal from other peoples' questions and the answers provided by the technically adept. Please don't close this forum to civilians. The information imparted in the give and take between n00bs and pros is invaluable as a teaching method, really it is.
The one observation I would make, though, is that 500 page forums are not really useful. Maybe shut them down more quickly as issues which emerge are addressed. For instance, once a newer ROM has been released, or patched, or an issue resolved, close that forum and start a new one with the resolved issue as the subject of the new thread and a link to it as the last post in the referring thread.
Thank to all of you for making owning a droid a blast!
Read and re-read....
I bricked a phone cause i read something wrong, once i read it again i got it, plus i had a few older phones that i toyed with to see if i understood everything.....nice having a few older devices around to test if your a noob. Like myself....
I totally agree with all that has been said here. The DInc took a long time to get root, but once it did, I was ready to give it a shot..as I had already been flashing, and cooking roms for my WM 6800..and also loaded a few hybrid OS's on my Storm.. so this was naturally the next chapter in my development as a developer...which is the endgame.. Bravo to all who help to keep rooting/modding fun, and edifying! Next I'm going to see if I can cook up my own Froyo ROM..
Now that I have a Galaxy Nexus and I'm looking threw to see what's out there to flash. I get to my favorite community here and find out that for whatever reason GSM and LTE models are mixed together in one big cluster f**k that can potentially brick my phone if I don't read the fine print. This is insanely dumb, it poses a potential risk for me even tho I feel I'm a seasoned veteran of the Android flashing community, and to anyone that is completely new to this and doesn't understand the subtle differences of CDMA and GSM. So here I am typing this out trying my damnedest to wrap my mind around WHY XDA DOESN'T CREATE SUB FORUMS FOR EACH TYPE. A lot of other sites do, and it makes the search 1000000x easier to navigate.
So please could some moderator explain to me the reasoning behind having one giant pool of ROMS and mods that are completely different from one another? Is it really that hard to create a sub forum to take you to either the CDMA or GSM version?
I'd like to get some feed back here or am I the only one that is slightly frustrated about this? I mean its completely unorganized and the whole forum just feels really sloppy already.
You're not the first to mention this and, if you searched (cause you're a vet with 47 posts), you'd know the Mods are looking into it
But in essence I agree, or you just hope the threads are labelled correctly (LTE/GSM)
Dude if you used XDA as much as you say you do then you would have done a search on this topic and realized that there are already 2 threads in the last week on this subject.
Mods can we please merge all "Separate GSM/LTE forums" posts.
yeah I did try searching for it, thanks for the most obvious response
but ya know what its hard to find something when I don't know what to call it....
you'll notice that I never used the word separate which is the key word I was missing
so thanks for the ****-ish way you gave me that info it was slightly helpful i guess...
Just for the record I agree with the op. However I'm not too worried about it. This site has given me so much and asked for very little in return. I'm just greatful to have access to all this great info.
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yeah I did try searching for it, thanks for the most obvious response
but ya know what its hard to find something when I don't know what to call it....
you'll notice that I never used the word separate which is the key word I was missing
so thanks for the ****-ish way you gave me that info it was slightly helpful i guess...
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Some veteran. You really can't just look at the title of the thread to see if it says "LTE" or not? The only important threads that should be looked through are on the first two or three pages. Not that hard.
If you seriously brick your phone because you can't figure out whether something is LTE or GSM, you are a bit slow IMO. So far we only have one page of relevant ROMS and mods in dev section and you're already complaining about having trouble finding things when search isn't even necessary. Come on...
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It's because this site is a joke. There are so many things wrong with the way XDA structures and manages these forums. Look at rootzwiki...or even droid forums. The mods actually do their jobs there and make it EASIER for devs to post their work and manage their users problems by preventing/deleting/combining duplicate threads. Both of those forums even provide sub-forums for popular devs to let them manage it as well. And a simple thing like separating the LTE and GSM versions into their own forum was a non-issue at rootzwiki...yet here at XDA it seems we're asking the admins to split the atom.
That's why devs are/have moved to rootzwiki to post their work. Sure they'll copy and paste their topics over here eventually, but the difference is that if you want your post to be read by someone at the developer level, you're probably at the wrong forum. You should have seen the XDA droid bionic forums before everyone packed up and went onto rootz...LOL, it was like the wild west.
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Some veteran. You really can't just look at the title of the thread to see if it says "LTE" or not? The only important threads that should be looked through are on the first two or three pages. Not that hard.
If you seriously brick your phone because you can't figure out whether something is LTE or GSM, you are a bit slow IMO. So far we only have one page of relevant ROMS and mods in dev section and you're already complaining about having trouble finding things when search isn't even necessary. Come on...
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I wasn't talking about myself jackass, there are tons of people out there that have never flashed a phone before and not knowing the difference between GSM and CDMA can be a confusing concept for most. So thanks for trying to make me out to be the jackass when you've accomplished that all on your own.
I'm not having trouble finding anything considering there are only 2-3 ROMs for LTE, but in a month there's going to be 50 pages of crap to sift threw. So that's the problem I see, and the fact that if it was just broken down in to 2 different sub forums from the start would of been something very simple and I just don't see why it wasn't/hasn't been done.
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It's because this site is a joke. There are so many things wrong with the way XDA structures and manages these forums. Look at rootzwiki...or even droid forums. The mods actually do their jobs there and make it EASIER for devs to post their work and manage their users problems by preventing/deleting/combining duplicate threads. Both of those forums even provide sub-forums for popular devs to let them manage it as well. And a simple thing like separating the LTE and GSM versions into their own forum was a non-issue at rootzwiki...yet here at XDA it seems we're asking the admins to split the atom.
That's why devs are/have moved to rootzwiki to post their work. Sure they'll copy and paste their topics over here eventually, but the difference is that if you want your post to be read by someone at the developer level, you're probably at the wrong forum. You should have seen the XDA droid bionic forums before everyone packed up and went onto rootz...LOL, it was like the wild west.
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It may be disorganized and full of duplicate threads, but it is an excellent resource. I have been here since Windows mobile 6, The G1, and a whole slew in android phones... and it is the same story. The devs move to some other site. You get a new phone and everyone comes back to XDA. If more people kept their mouth shut the site would be easier to navigate. I could care less, as I mostly lurk and find what I am looking for. No need to comment in every thread, because it probably wouldn't contribute much.
XDA is a great resource, if you don't like it go to another site and browse their forums.
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It may be disorganized and full of duplicate threads, but it is an excellent resource. I have been here since Windows mobile 6, The G1, and a whole slew in android phones... and it is the same story. The devs move to some other site. You get a new phone and everyone comes back to XDA. If more people kept their mouth shut the site would be easier to navigate. I could care less, as I mostly lurk and find what I am looking for. No need to comment in every thread, because it probably wouldn't contribute much.
XDA is a great resource, if you don't like it go to another site and browse their forums.
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I completely agree, I started flashing my first droid and found everything I needed right here with super helpful devs and a mostly wonderful community that would aid you. I personally don't care what gets posted in General though. I think only dev's should be able to post in the development forum to keep things to a minimum, but if a topic needs to be brought up multiple times to get it done then so be it. That's how things get done if a topic is shoved back into the darkness then it needs to be brought to light over and over til something gets done.
I agree totally, I started using rootz instead because they seperated the 2 devices. Also it should be GSM or CDMA. LTE is GSM. Lots of confusion can happen here.
So since I haven't seen this yet as having been put together (or even that it is being worked on), I thought I'd toss this out there - anyone know if someone is working on notification drawer widget buttons (as in what the CM roms have) specifically for Jellybean roms? I know one person asked about this in another thread, and the only suggestion that was mentioned was using the app "Notification Toggle". However I've tried this and compared to its built-in CM counterpart, quite frankly it sucks, and it requires that an icon be stuck in the status bar at all times.
Anyways, as I said I hadn't seen or noticed that Paul O'Brien was going to try to work this into the Modaco JB rom, or if anyone else on here was currently trying to put this mod together. I had been running that rom for the past few days, but because of the lack of notification widget buttons (and a few other things, like broken pinch-to-zoom on Dolphin, Lightflow incompatibility, etc) I'm back to CM9 nightlies.
Cheers!
Hey thanks a lot to the mod who moved my thread. I posted it in the development section because it is specifically a DEVELOPMENT/MOD REQUEST, nothing "general" about this. I was initially going to pop into one of the existing mod threads and bring up this idea there, but I thought it wouldn't be appropriate as it might not exactly be on-topic in those threads, and that this would be better on its own. At any rate it apparently it made just a little too much sense for my thread to have been posted in an area where the most appropriate parties (i.e., developers) would have the absolute best chance at seeing it, discussing it, and responding to it. Again, thanks. Might as well have just moved it to the HTC One X forum. :good: :highfive: :good:
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Hey thanks a lot to the mod who moved my thread. I posted it in the development section because it is specifically a DEVELOPMENT/MOD REQUEST, nothing "general" about this. I was initially going to pop into one of the existing mod threads and bring up this idea there, but I thought it wouldn't be appropriate as it might not exactly be on-topic in those threads, and that this would be better on its own. At any rate it apparently it made just a little too much sense for my thread to have been posted in an area where the most appropriate parties (i.e., developers) would have the absolute best chance at seeing it, discussing it, and responding to it. Again, thanks. Might as well have just moved it to the HTC One X forum. :good: :highfive: :good:
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Did you develop something? Nope? Then don't post it in developer. Not for requests. That would be general or q&a
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Did you develop something? Nope? Then don't post it in developer. Not for requests. That would be general or q&a
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Well then apparently I shouldn't have used the word "Request", because I should have known better that people get so anal about these kinds of things here. I've said it many times before, its this kind of hair splitting crap that drives so many people away from forums like this, or at the very least prevents them from posting or otherwise contributing to. Truly a shame. And I could see if I just posted some really basic, general comment in there, because obviously that wouldn't belong.
But furthermore, it makes me laugh at how easily my entire point managed to elude you. And my point is this: if you were heading to Home Depot and knew you needed a specific plumbing part for your bathroom sink, would you waste your time asking questions in the "general" customer service area, or would you head directly to the plumbing department and ask the specialist there to help you find the product (or more relevant to my particular situation, to suggest that they carry the product if they don't already)? I'm just curious, which strategy would most likely yield the quickest, most efficient, and most relevant outcome? I know what I would/will do. Unbelievable, just really blows me away. I'm out. :silly::silly:
I have a feeling that we probably won't see this until the source code is released. It makes modding much easier. Should only be a couple weeks.
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I have a feeling that we probably won't see this until the source code is released. It makes modding much easier. Should only be a couple weeks.
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i asked adrynalyne if he would do it, and he said "not until source is released"
he made me a sad panda with that.
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Well then apparently I shouldn't have used the word "Request", because I should have known better that people get so anal about these kinds of things here. I've said it many times before, its this kind of hair splitting crap that drives so many people away from forums like this, or at the very least prevents them from posting or otherwise contributing to. Truly a shame. And I could see if I just posted some really basic, general comment in there, because obviously that wouldn't belong.
But furthermore, it makes me laugh at how easily my entire point managed to elude you. And my point is this: if you were heading to Home Depot and knew you needed a specific plumbing part for your bathroom sink, would you waste your time asking questions in the "general" customer service area, or would you head directly to the plumbing department and ask the specialist there to help you find the product (or more relevant to my particular situation, to suggest that they carry the product if they don't already)? I'm just curious, which strategy would most likely yield the quickest, most efficient, and most relevant outcome? I know what I would/will do. Unbelievable, just really blows me away. I'm out. :silly::silly:
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With this strategy the development section would be littered with "request threads." Unless you developed/are developing something, don't post in that forum. These are the forum rules - if you don't like them, you are welcome to petition the site administrator.
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There is nothing more annoying then what goes on in some of the development threads on XDA.
I'm talking about the threads specific to development of a Rom/os whatever... and you end up getting the
"WOOHOO THATS LIKE AWESOME MAN"
"WHen Can I have Wifi"
"Why isnt wifi working"
"ETA?"
etc.. etc..
And then you get the complete idiots that respond with
"This is a development thread shutup"
"Dude this is development thread, you are only supposed to talk about development stuff"
etc...
Why not just make all development threads fully moderated? As in, the post doesn't appear unless approved by the OP/Mod's...
If you wanted to customise it further, you could allow "teams" to be able to post in the thread and moderate.
Some devs like having a lot of posts in their threads. Maybe they think the extra page views help them get more people interested and they might be right. Some amount of small talk is always going to be posted since people make friends over time. It is really up to the OP of that thread, if they complain, then the mods will act.
Lol, think about how much time/manpower that would take....
It would be the most time consuming and soul destroying job ever to burden a man/womans shoulders..
In an ideal world its the perfect solution and you're right. I just don't think it's feasible.
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Lol, think about how much time/manpower that would take....
It would be the most time consuming and soul destroying job ever to burden a man/womans shoulders..
In an ideal world its the perfect solution and you're right. I just don't think it's feasible.
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Lol..I was just about to say that..If something like the above thingy needed to get approved,xda would have to hire nearly 500 mods(just a rough calc.) and assign a minimum of 10 mods to every forum
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Some devs like having a lot of posts in their threads. Maybe they think the extra page views help them get more people interested and they might be right. Some amount of small talk is always going to be posted since people make friends over time. It is really up to the OP of that thread, if they complain, then the mods will act.
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Not for all threads, but if you have a read through http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1782009&page=40 as an example you have maybe 5% dev related threads and the rest are morons bickering.
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Lol, think about how much time/manpower that would take....
It would be the most time consuming and soul destroying job ever to burden a man/womans shoulders..
In an ideal world its the perfect solution and you're right. I just don't think it's feasible.
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Wasnt thinking in terms of Official Board mods, more the OP and those who he/she wish to grant permissions to approve the posts in their thread.
I'd think a more practical solution would be to give those who post threads in a Development forum control over their thread, I.e. the ability to delete anyone else's post. This way, they could choose themselves what is posted and decide the amount of development related stuff there is.
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I'd think a more practical solution would be to give those who post threads in a Development forum control over their thread, I.e. the ability to delete anyone else's post. This way, they could choose themselves what is posted and decide the amount of development related stuff there is.
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Also a good idea. I think as long as the OP can assign control to others its practical.
In the case of Dev threads, I'd rather a non devvy friend keep it clean then the dev who should be developing
I agree. I'm extremely new here and to Android development as well, but I've scoured, searched and read for answers to my questions (i.e. GPS issues, etc.)
I have forum experience and the overall issue with people not searching or at least reading the thread is pretty common, but here it seems to hinder development progress in ROMs and the like.
Even more so, some people sound like they're flat-out complaining and completely ungrateful for the work that's being done, which I don't believe should be tolerated.
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Even more so, some people sound like they're flat-out complaining and completely ungrateful for the work that's being done, which I don't believe should be tolerated.
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Which makes you wonder how many possible dev's decide not to do anything because of a seeming lack of support from the community as a whole.
Most would have a day job, and a life. People expect these poor buggers do work on a rom 24/7 just so they can get their damn camera working on an SDK version of an os... its craziness.
Better user education can help to a degree.
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Not for all threads, but if you have a read through http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1782009&page=40 as an example you have maybe 5% dev related threads and the rest are morons bickering.
Wasnt thinking in terms of Official Board mods, more the OP and those who he/she wish to grant permissions to approve the posts in their thread.
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Again, granting permissions would need to be done by an admin and powers to delete will never be granted to anyone.
It's really up to the op how much off topic they will tolerate and if they want a thread cleaned all they have to do is ask.
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