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Why the does it replace my newer excel spreadsheets during a sync? After I sync it, I would open the file from the pda, make changes and save it. But during the save, excel mobile prompts me that the file format is unsupported. If I save and sync it, it will get overwritten with the older file on my desktop.
I'm using Excel 2003 in Vistax64 and have FileFormatConverters.exe installed.
in windows mobile device center there is a setting for this situation which one to overwrite if changes happened. if you change documents a lot on the go, you should set the blueangel as priority device to overwrite the desktop documents. check the settings in "mobile device settings" -> "manage a partnership" and then set "replace items on desktop" then, whenever there is a conflict like that, the BA gets the priority.
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in windows mobile device center there is a setting for this situation which one to overwrite if changes happened. if you change documents a lot on the go, you should set the blueangel as priority device to overwrite the desktop documents. check the settings in "mobile device settings" -> "manage a partnership" and then set "replace items on desktop" then, whenever there is a conflict like that, the BA gets the priority.
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Too risky for me. If I lose everything in my pda, which happens once in awhile, it will overwrite everything in my desktop with nothing. Theoretically, it should sync things, but I could have sworn it once erased contacts and appointments on my desktop.
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in windows mobile device center there is a setting for this situation which one to overwrite if changes happened. if you change documents a lot on the go, you should set the blueangel as priority device to overwrite the desktop documents. check the settings in "mobile device settings" -> "manage a partnership" and then set "replace items on desktop" then, whenever there is a conflict like that, the BA gets the priority.
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I gave it a shot again and switched it to "replace items on desktop" and it deleted half of my templates such as memo.
normally, it should only make use of this option when a file was changed on the pc and the device. since it cannot "combine" the files or compare their content, it needs to know, which one to overwrite. it should not affect deleting.
the situation you described in your prior post is risky, like you said. my standard setting is "replace on the desktop" and i.e. when i hard reset my device and there is no pim data on it, it still does not delete everything in outlook because there is no conflict. it is still syncing and not a one way street, which is why in that case it should transfer new items to the device.
i hope, since you said before, it was risky, that you made backups of those files, or that you can at least restore an earlier version using volume shadow copies.
as i said before, activesync/wmdc is not perfect and behaves strangely sometimes. maybe there is no official solution for that problem. maybe you need to bypass it.
if, for instance, you know, that a file you have on the BA is newer than the server version, you could start a manual file transfer and not sync that file/folder, but overwrite it, either cradled, or using the sd card or a bluetooth share, a lan share, accessible with wi-fi or gprs with vpn, whatever data connection comes to mind.
or maybe, some other user reading this can come up with a good idea. i am sorry that my advice did not work but instead possibly harmed your pim data. i personally don't sync files and never had troubles with syncing in general. that option always worked for me.
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...i hope, since you said before, it was risky, that you made backups of those files, or that you can at least restore an earlier version using volume shadow copies.
as i said before, activesync/wmdc is not perfect and behaves strangely sometimes. maybe there is no official solution for that problem. maybe you need to bypass it.
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Yes, I always have backups in my desktop and storage card.
I think the problem with "replace items on the device" is with Excel 2003 compatibility issues between the desktop and Excel Mobile. Not sure how to get around this but to constantly keep backups on my SD card before a sync.
I'm guessing (hoping?) that the current WP7 solution for transmitting stuff on and from the phone can not be the final concept. Its fine for now, as a workaround to send e.g. word and pdfs files per email onto your phone and vice versa, but forever? There must be a better solution.
I think the best solution is either through zune or through a dedicated folder plus mass storage mode.
An other program (and I include outlook) is a really bad idea in my opinion because users don't want to open more than one program to sync their phones.
Zune is a little bit awkward because its the dedicated Music/ Pictures/ Vids Part of your Phone. If everything would be synced through zune it would break with the separation that Microsoft build with the different hubs.
What do you think - where will Microsoft go with this topic? And does anybody know how Apple solved this with their iPhones?
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I'm guessing (hoping?) that the current WP7 solution for transmitting stuff on and from the phone can not be the final concept. Its fine for now, as a workaround to send e.g. word and pdfs files per email onto your phone and vice versa, but forever? There must be a better solution.
I think the best solution is either through zune or through a dedicated folder plus mass storage mode.
An other program (and I include outlook) is a really bad idea in my opinion because users don't want to open more than one program to sync their phones.
Zune is a little bit awkward because its the dedicated Music/ Pictures/ Vids Part of your Phone. If everything would be synced through zune it would break with the separation that Microsoft build with the different hubs.
What do you think - where will Microsoft go with this topic? And does anybody know how Apple solved this with their iPhones?
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The fastest way would be Zune and Bluetooth send/receive.
It's necessary to have it to stay with the platform.
Skydrive and Mesh is almost certainly where they're headed. I'd be extremely surprised if Zune ever supported Office file transfers.
The cloud, nothing is faster than the cloud.
Edit a file on your desktop and it updates on all devices.
Need to share a file? Just share the link.
Cloud synchronization will be the norm.
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Jeffgeno beat me to it.
nothing is faster than cloud??? crazy.... upload to cloud and download to phone or upload direct from PC to phone.. which faster??? and safety??? upload confidential file to skydrive??? more crazy.....
We need a place to sync outlook files but aside from that what other files do you want on your device.... they're not necessary... I dont really wanna set up this whole cloud business
Cloud is great but in many scenarios IDIOTIC.
To put a doc on my phone I need 2 devices with connection - PC and phone. Sick!
And it's the first time I can't send anything by bluetooth to any other dumphone or phone without any data transfer. Sick too.
Right, let's just clear this up shall we?
Currently there are several methods of getting a file such as an Excel spreadsheet onto your phone.
1. Email it to yourself, then open and save the attachment on your phone.
2. Use the Live Mesh sync included with Windows Essentials to sync your excel files to Skydrive. Then navigate to your Skydrive on your phone and download the file(s) you need from there to your phone.
3. Download and run one of the many small free Webserver apps on your PC. then you can serve your files over your home network and download them to your phone just by browsing to your mini website.
I don't use 1, I tend to use 2 and occasionally 3 as some apps like 7Pass (a password manager) use web servers to obtain the (in this case a password) file from your PC.
The way forward will actually, IMHO be 2. But instead of navigating to your skydrive in a browser, it will become a native function, just like it is now with OneNote. The kind of instant two-way sync that OneNote has will be replicated for Word, Excel and Powerpoint, and possibly for any other types of file as well, which will hopefully allow any app to obtain its own filetype over Skydrive and indeed sync with it.
I'm optimistic this will happen in the update coming soon, but it might wait until the fall.
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The way forward will actually, IMHO be 2. But instead of navigating to your skydrive in a browser, it will become a native function, just like it is now with OneNote. The kind of instant two-way sync that OneNote has will be replicated for Word, Excel and Powerpoint, and possibly for any other types of file as well, which will hopefully allow any app to obtain its own filetype over Skydrive and indeed sync with it.
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I think this is the best way to go and hope microsoft will do it like that sooner or later.
I understand that and it's a valid point.
I too would like to have the possibility to sync files _without_ having any network connection because sometimes there simply is no network or you're in a foreign country...So hopefully there will be a way microsoft makes this possible.
But besides of that, syncing over cloud is important for me at least as long as i am at home or something.
I use a combination of email, DropBox and Skydrive, I would love to have the ability to sync directly with Outlook since my company doesn't have Exchange or if they had a sync tool like Google that will update your calendar through the cloud.
On a side note how do you save a PDF that I emailed to myself? I tried to open and save as and it doesn't give me that option.
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I use a combination of email, DropBox and Skydrive, I would love to have the ability to sync directly with Outlook since my company doesn't have Exchange or if they had a sync tool like Google that will update your calendar through the cloud.
On a side note how do you save a PDF that I emailed to myself? I tried to open and save as and it doesn't give me that option.
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Once you open it it's automatically saved to the phone.
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I too would like to have the possibility to sync files _without_ having any network connection because sometimes there simply is no network or you're in a foreign country...
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Er, if there's no network connection or you're in a foreign country, then you would just be using the locally cached copy of the file, until you either returned home or entered an area with coverage, at which point your phone would sync up.
The point is, your phone would be syncing on-the-fly whenever it could, and using local cache whenever it couldn't sync. Strikes me as the best of both worlds.
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Er, if there's no network connection or you're in a foreign country, then you would just be using the locally cached copy of the file, until you either returned home or entered an area with coverage, at which point your phone would sync up.
The point is, your phone would be syncing on-the-fly whenever it could, and using local cache whenever it couldn't sync. Strikes me as the best of both worlds.
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Okay, thanks for explaining. I didn't know that.
Well then it's good news. Except you will have to stop your phone from syncing when roaming. But i assume, that is possible? (couldnt test it out)
I'm not offended. I don't think no one else is either.
Its silly that they provide you with a cord for media, but that same cord is useless for one of the other touted features.
Guys, please keep this thread on topic, and quit with the bad language. Swearing is not tolerated on xda.
I'm going to assume that the integration will be more advanced and full soon... The whole point of this device is to utilize live functions... Like SkyDrive
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Your talking about from phone to PC right? I think MS should give an option to allow an adjustable amount of your phone's memory to be used for USB mass storage functionality. Like make a slide saying, Maybe I want 2GB available, or maybe 20mb. You know to copy file formats WP7 supports. Atleast for what you can't sync via Zune Desktop software.
Hi im currently contemplating exchanging my hd7 for a samsung omnia 7 but I just realised, how would I go about transferring my paid apps from the hd7 to the sammy as there ain't no back up option in Zune as there is in itunes anyone know what I should be doing
If you downloaded them from the Zune software in the computer it should automatically re-download/install them. If you downloaded them on the phone then you'll have to re-download them manually from the phone.
When you click buy it should tell you that you've already purchased it and give you the option to download it again.
ok cheers was worried it would charge me again thx
Yeah, just make sure you sign in with the same Windows Live ID and all will be good.
Exactly, it's similar to the iTunes Store, the apps are not linked to the phone, only to the Live ID that they were purchased from.
Hoping they will add some backup functionality soon to Zune properly as having Zune put some apps on but having do some yourself via the phone is a tad annoying
The only problem is that you'll lose all application data and settings (e.g. login info for Google Reader, ebooks for your reader etc. etc.), and there's no [easy] way to back them up. You can probably unlock your phone, connect it as USB drive, transfer files, copy and rename them, but that's a major hassle and isn't guaranteed to work for all apps, so probably not worth it...
Yup, and that's one of my biggest gripes about this, I installed the HTC Notes app via Zune, put some info in there etc, then forgot before I redid my phone, Zune put the app back on but no sign of the data, stupid mistake, my fault, but come on Microsoft!
Yes, this is somewhat unforgivable especially given that it's trivial to implement in WP7 (unlike WM) since apps aren't allowed to write anything outside their sandboxes. You probably just need to copy the contents of the Apps folder, and maybe some licensing information elsewhere.
My guess is that there's no app backup simply because .xap files are so easy to crack once you get them, so once they get on your PC protection is removed in a matter of seconds. Not that keeping them on the phone prevents anything but still, it makes things a bit more difficult.
My take on this is that app backup will come when MS improves their protection system in Marketplace, which may take a while. Or it will be done unofficially here, it's not that difficult once a stable method of unlocking/getting access to filesystem arrives.
We really don't need App backup though, we need App data backup. The App and data are stored in different directories, so it would pose no risk to the DRM.
It'd make sense to have a backup option in Zune where it, as part of the sync process, once a week or so backs up all user-accessible data.
What I don't like is the fact that on hard-reseting your phone it will only auto-install apps "purchased" thru Zune (the desktop software) and not apps purchased directly from the phone. There doesn't seem to be a app-purchase-history available either, so in a few months I can foresee this being a big problem. You've gone thru hundreds of different apps and all of a sudden need to reset your phone; sync it back up with Zune and it starts installing all the apps you've ever bought/tried. There needs to be a history where one can delete apps (or at least select that they don't auto-install on reset).
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We really don't need App backup though, we need App data backup. The App and data are stored in different directories, so it would pose no risk to the DRM.
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You are right, backing up just the app data without the .xap files would work for me just fine, the backup mechanism could just launch installation of apps from the Marketplace, I wouldn't mind that.
This solution, however, would require some smart mechanism that would only transfer app data after respective apps are already installed, otherwise I would expect a lot of people getting confused and complaining a lot.
I haven't bought a single application via desktop Zune, by the way - where does it store the .xap files? What would happen if you just copied a .xap there?
from word around, when the first update comes out, it should bring backup and restore capabilities using zune desktop. this should meet all your needs.
vangrieg, in terms of downloading via the phone, i'm presuming it's the same as if you downloaded a zip file from the web and clicked run, rather than save, the xap is downloaded and auto extracted and installed, and then the xap is disgarded.
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I haven't bought a single application via desktop Zune, by the way - where does it store the .xap files?
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It doesn't. The process is; You "purchase" an app or game thru the desktop software and it's automatically downloaded and installed on your phone within a few minutes. The .xap is never downloaded onto your computer.
What I was getting at previously was that apps purchased directly on the phone does not seem to re-install automatically after a device hard-reset whereas apps purchased on the desktop does. There seems to be a disconnect between services here.
So Zune just automatically redownloads apps? Then it has to have a list somewhere, so I guess this could be worked around.
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I can foresee this being a big problem. You've gone thru hundreds of different apps and all of a sudden need to reset your phone; sync it back up with Zune and it starts installing all the apps you've ever bought/tried. There needs to be a history where one can delete apps (or at least select that they don't auto-install on reset).
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This is very annoying! I've flashed a few times and it will install all the apps you've installed using Zune and you cannot stop them. You cannot remove them from the list in Zune.
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So Zune just automatically redownloads apps? Then it has to have a list somewhere, so I guess this could be worked around.
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There is a list in Zune where you can see all the apps you've installed. Go to Settings (up by your login name) then,
Account -> Purchase History -> Apps
Hi guys, I have a strange behaviour of my LG Optimus 7:
Some weeks ago I decided two install two applications from Zune's marketplace, then I installed other apps from phone's marketplace.
Suddently I formatted both PC and PHone but the first time after PHone formatting I connect the phone Zune automatically reinstall the two application: The Weather Channel and the game Unite.
How it is possible? both phone and PC are fresh formatted, I think it takes data from Windows Live ID Account, please help this thing is really annoying!!
i would imagine that it gets cached on the server side that it was installed via Zune Desktop. I don't think you can do much about it at present. Perhaps see if it is possible to remove the history on your account of the app install? I'm not too sure to be honest, i've actually installed everything via my phone.
in zune you can delete music, but I don't think you can delete apps (just tried and it wouldn't let me).
Might mention it through zune support.
That's happened to me to as well. It reinstalls anything that you installed through the desktop version originally.
I wish there was a way to reset this stuff, as there are times when I want to install something from the phone, but had installed it from zune, so it says I can't since I already purchased it. Why can't I install from both?!
I think this is an issue... if I don't like an app I have all the right to delete it, and also to change my mind to reinstall from where I want!
MAybe the guys just did some mess in the mechanism that manage subscriptions?
This happened to me a few times.
Birdy Bouce is always restored on my phone (I broke a HD7 so was resetting that a lot and it it's present on my Omnia)
Incidently, Birdy Bounce is the only game I installed via zune.
I have the same problem. I get restored over 30 unwanted apps every few days. This is a huge bug, I think. Hope for noDO...
Well, first of all hello to everyone! I am new in here but have been visiting XDA for a pretty long time now.
Now with the introduction aside, let me get to my issue.
I don't know if you have noticed some problems with non-working live tiles of apps pinned at the home screen, the inability to connect to messaging (Live Messenger, Facebook chat) or other general problems.
Well, I contacted @WinPhoneSupport (as well as many, many other people) to report two problems (the first two mentioned above) that I'm currently experiencing. I was advised by them to restart my phone and then pull my battery for at least two minutes in order to see what happens. So, I left my battery out overnight but my problems weren't fixed.
I was told then to restore my backup and reinstall Mango
After thinking about it for some hours, I thought it would be better to start over again by doing a factory reset but then I suddenly remembered that some things I care about were not saved in the Zune "backup" so now I'm stuck again with the problem.
So, I am now in a dilemma; should I just reset my phone and go my way up till Mango from RTM? If so, is there some homebrew that could save data which is not saved by Zune? I'm interested on saving some ringtones (not available anywhere else!) I downloaded from the Insider app. [ I was considereing using the Windows Phone Device Manager but it can't identified my phone (dev unlocked). ]
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Is there any way I could possibly fix the "Can't connect to see who's online" error message in Messaging?
I appreciate any help you can provide to my problem.
A factory reset will do. I did it and it was restores to mango, not the pre mango state. Live tiles etc works well after that.
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Well, first of all hello to everyone! I am new in here but have been visiting XDA for a pretty long time now.
Now with the introduction aside, let me get to my issue.
I don't know if you have noticed some problems with non-working live tiles of apps pinned at the home screen, the inability to connect to messaging (Live Messenger, Facebook chat) or other general problems.
Well, I contacted @WinPhoneSupport (as well as many, many other people) to report two problems (the first two mentioned above) that I'm currently experiencing. I was advised by them to restart my phone and then pull my battery for at least two minutes in order to see what happens. So, I left my battery out overnight but my problems weren't fixed.
I was told then to restore my backup and reinstall Mango
After thinking about it for some hours, I thought it would be better to start over again by doing a factory reset but then I suddenly remembered that some things I care about were not saved in the Zune "backup" so now I'm stuck again with the problem.
So, I am now in a dilemma; should I just reset my phone and go my way up till Mango from RTM? If so, is there some homebrew that could save data which is not saved by Zune? I'm interested on saving some ringtones (not available anywhere else!) I downloaded from the Insider app. [ I was considereing using the Windows Phone Device Manager but it can't identified my phone (dev unlocked). ]
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Is there any way I could possibly fix the "Can't connect to see who's online" error message in Messaging?
I appreciate any help you can provide to my problem.
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I would advise you to reconsider if there is any data that you would like to keep or unwilling to drop before doing any reset...
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I would advise you to reconsider if there is any data that you would like to keep or unwilling to drop before doing any reset...
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Yes, there's information I would like to keep but I don't know how
For example:
I downloaded 5 ringtones from the "Insider" app, at first I thought Zune would sync them into the Music folder (PC) but that was not the case.
There are a few SMS I would like to keep, they're not that important but it'd be nice to have 'em.
I suppose there's nothing I can do to save my game scores.
I think that's it, I can't remember of anything else Zune hasn't already save on my PC.
I know I could use Windows Phone Device Manager but I can't get it to work. (Yes, my phone it's dev unlocked)
You can try to copy your sms to a word document and upload it to skydrive. But you won't be able to import them back into messaging hub. As for gamescores, only XBOX live games will be saved.
They really need to alter the way Zune does backups. I have some live tiles that wont function but i'll be damned if i have to reset and they install all of my apps and tile locations again.
@morpheuszg That's a good idea, simple but that'll do it
And yes! MSFT gotta do something with Zune when it comes to backing up
Does anyone know whether Windows Phone Device Manager can access the ringtone folder in WP7 and if it's Mango ready?
None of your games progress will be saved, including Xbox Live games. What you wont lose are the achievements you've already unlocked, but you will have to play those games again from the beginning if you havent finished them already.
Best thing you could do is finish whatever games you want, forward your sms's to another phone where you can send them back again (or copy to word as suggested). I have pinged Joe Belfiore & Brandon Watson several times on twitter about the lack of proper backup, add your voice as well because it really is a disgrace that there is no way to backup data we care about, on the phone that is supposed to be all about the people and things we care about.