Hi im currently contemplating exchanging my hd7 for a samsung omnia 7 but I just realised, how would I go about transferring my paid apps from the hd7 to the sammy as there ain't no back up option in Zune as there is in itunes anyone know what I should be doing
If you downloaded them from the Zune software in the computer it should automatically re-download/install them. If you downloaded them on the phone then you'll have to re-download them manually from the phone.
When you click buy it should tell you that you've already purchased it and give you the option to download it again.
ok cheers was worried it would charge me again thx
Yeah, just make sure you sign in with the same Windows Live ID and all will be good.
Exactly, it's similar to the iTunes Store, the apps are not linked to the phone, only to the Live ID that they were purchased from.
Hoping they will add some backup functionality soon to Zune properly as having Zune put some apps on but having do some yourself via the phone is a tad annoying
The only problem is that you'll lose all application data and settings (e.g. login info for Google Reader, ebooks for your reader etc. etc.), and there's no [easy] way to back them up. You can probably unlock your phone, connect it as USB drive, transfer files, copy and rename them, but that's a major hassle and isn't guaranteed to work for all apps, so probably not worth it...
Yup, and that's one of my biggest gripes about this, I installed the HTC Notes app via Zune, put some info in there etc, then forgot before I redid my phone, Zune put the app back on but no sign of the data, stupid mistake, my fault, but come on Microsoft!
Yes, this is somewhat unforgivable especially given that it's trivial to implement in WP7 (unlike WM) since apps aren't allowed to write anything outside their sandboxes. You probably just need to copy the contents of the Apps folder, and maybe some licensing information elsewhere.
My guess is that there's no app backup simply because .xap files are so easy to crack once you get them, so once they get on your PC protection is removed in a matter of seconds. Not that keeping them on the phone prevents anything but still, it makes things a bit more difficult.
My take on this is that app backup will come when MS improves their protection system in Marketplace, which may take a while. Or it will be done unofficially here, it's not that difficult once a stable method of unlocking/getting access to filesystem arrives.
We really don't need App backup though, we need App data backup. The App and data are stored in different directories, so it would pose no risk to the DRM.
It'd make sense to have a backup option in Zune where it, as part of the sync process, once a week or so backs up all user-accessible data.
What I don't like is the fact that on hard-reseting your phone it will only auto-install apps "purchased" thru Zune (the desktop software) and not apps purchased directly from the phone. There doesn't seem to be a app-purchase-history available either, so in a few months I can foresee this being a big problem. You've gone thru hundreds of different apps and all of a sudden need to reset your phone; sync it back up with Zune and it starts installing all the apps you've ever bought/tried. There needs to be a history where one can delete apps (or at least select that they don't auto-install on reset).
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We really don't need App backup though, we need App data backup. The App and data are stored in different directories, so it would pose no risk to the DRM.
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You are right, backing up just the app data without the .xap files would work for me just fine, the backup mechanism could just launch installation of apps from the Marketplace, I wouldn't mind that.
This solution, however, would require some smart mechanism that would only transfer app data after respective apps are already installed, otherwise I would expect a lot of people getting confused and complaining a lot.
I haven't bought a single application via desktop Zune, by the way - where does it store the .xap files? What would happen if you just copied a .xap there?
from word around, when the first update comes out, it should bring backup and restore capabilities using zune desktop. this should meet all your needs.
vangrieg, in terms of downloading via the phone, i'm presuming it's the same as if you downloaded a zip file from the web and clicked run, rather than save, the xap is downloaded and auto extracted and installed, and then the xap is disgarded.
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I haven't bought a single application via desktop Zune, by the way - where does it store the .xap files?
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It doesn't. The process is; You "purchase" an app or game thru the desktop software and it's automatically downloaded and installed on your phone within a few minutes. The .xap is never downloaded onto your computer.
What I was getting at previously was that apps purchased directly on the phone does not seem to re-install automatically after a device hard-reset whereas apps purchased on the desktop does. There seems to be a disconnect between services here.
So Zune just automatically redownloads apps? Then it has to have a list somewhere, so I guess this could be worked around.
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I can foresee this being a big problem. You've gone thru hundreds of different apps and all of a sudden need to reset your phone; sync it back up with Zune and it starts installing all the apps you've ever bought/tried. There needs to be a history where one can delete apps (or at least select that they don't auto-install on reset).
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This is very annoying! I've flashed a few times and it will install all the apps you've installed using Zune and you cannot stop them. You cannot remove them from the list in Zune.
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So Zune just automatically redownloads apps? Then it has to have a list somewhere, so I guess this could be worked around.
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There is a list in Zune where you can see all the apps you've installed. Go to Settings (up by your login name) then,
Account -> Purchase History -> Apps
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I'm coming from a Nokia 5800. Although the software was buggy as hell, Ovi Suite was still a great piece of software to sync all of my phone's data to a local copy of my PC (as opposed to Google's nosy cloud storage).
Ideally looking for something that could archive my contacts--as well as abilities to create/change/delete on my PC which would then sync with the phone. Also download all SMS's, photos/videos taken, and manage music.
If what I've read is true, google music should take care of this, its supposedly an itunes-like software
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Check out Double Twist. There is PC software and an app. Not sure if it would cover all your needs (ive never used it), but it appears to be a decent itunes clone for not just Android but other devices.
theres an app callled mybackup in the market. it will back everything up to the sdcard, then u can copy backup to pc if this helps.
Since people aren't too familiar with Ovi Suite: I need something like Palm Desktop for Android, and I don't want to pay $40 for CompanionLink.
Dude, you need to learn to love the cloud.
From GMail/GMaps/GVoice/GDocks/GCal/Picassa, I have every email, sms, voicememo, picture, video, call history, transcribed voicemail, task, appointment, map location, contact, document, etc. All from any webbrowser in any location, all damn-near instantly synced with my phone.
...but to answer you question, search for HTC Sync. I think it only works with Sense tho, so you will have to wait and flash the Z firmware once the hackers make the g2 flashable.
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Dude, I love the cloud.
But I also love having a local copy on my computers (which I back up regularly and save to my Dropbox). Being able to edit contacts and calendar entries without having to bring up a webpage is huge to me.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
I live and work on the cloud. I never run any backups. I store nothing locally other than 4TB of pirated moves/tv. Being able to access everything from anywhere even if my house has no electricity is huge to me.
What's so bad about opening up a webpage? Opening outlook or whatever doesn't seem any different to me. Unless I am using my computer as a TV, all I ever need from it is a webbrowser, which is nice since every computer and smartphone in the world has one.
I do program ASP.NET/Win32/other and need that dev environment, but that too is all running on a VirtualPC in the cloud.
Not all of us always have constant data access, nor want to depend on it.
Plus, the difference between a webpage and outlook is MASSIVE.
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I know this is a pointless argument, but I am curious if you have ever given gmail with gtalk-desktop in your tray a real chance?
I used outlook at a job for work and personal for 6 years, then used outlook for work another 5 while using gmail for personal, and for the last 2 I have been gmail only. I always had the newest version on the newest os, but not in the last 2 years.
In outlook I was always sorting and running a search all was always dog slow. I can find anything in gmail as easily as finding any webpage with google. Gmail integrates with google calendar just as well as outlook and they can sync to eachother. Just sayin.
...anyway, did you look in to HTC Sync? Also, you could always run an exchange server at home and sync over the air.
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I'd probably choose services that keep the home PC synced with the cloud, keeping a local copy of what GMail etc use. Enough people do that that there are tools for that, and of course your phone syncs easily with the cloud. I think enough Android users drink the Google kool aid that there's not as much interest in syncing directly phone to PC without using the cloud as an intermediary. After years of wired syncing, I'm thrilled to have it work without any work on my part, personally.
But a search did turn up both The Missing Sync for Android and Handset Manager - both look to still be a bit buggy, but maybe they'll do the job or be worth watching.
We need HTC to make HTC Sync for non-Sense phones. Period.
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Different strokes for different folks I guess.
I live and work on the cloud. I never run any backups. I store nothing locally other than 4TB of pirated moves/tv. Being able to access everything from anywhere even if my house has no electricity is huge to me.
What's so bad about opening up a webpage? Opening outlook or whatever doesn't seem any different to me. Unless I am using my computer as a TV, all I ever need from it is a webbrowser, which is nice since every computer and smartphone in the world has one.
I do program ASP.NET/Win32/other and need that dev environment, but that too is all running on a VirtualPC in the cloud.
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Totally agree, That's the only way to go, really. When I moved up from my Moto Cliq to the G2 it took all of 5 minutes to get my phone the way I wanted. The hardest part was customizing my icon on the home screen. The data all synced from Google. My list of installed apps was backed up via "App List Backup" and I just re-installed them. Done.
I had several bugz on my HTC Surround. Marketplace stopped working, my email quit working, I couldn't fix or update anything. So I hard reset the phone and connected to the computer and to my surprise the Zune software reinstalled all of my apps (in the background without my knowledge) and everything now works fine. All I had to do was reset my email and other personal settings.
Well that's certainly good news, I was wondering how that was going to work with paid apps, especially since Zune doesn't show them anywhere.
well for paid apps even if you uninstall them, you can reinstall them later for free as they're tied to your windows live account. it's not like desktop software where you need a serial key, your windows live account is all thats needed as the purchases are kept on history. recently when i purchased an app, i was given an invoice a week later, and on there it also shows purchase history (including ones across xbox).
Your Milage May Vary
I have found that this is true to a point, I have had the HTC Surround, the Samsung Focus and Have finalized on the HD7 (To me the best for my usage/preferences) and excluding carrier branded apps, the Zune software saved & reinstallled about 80% of my apps (this is a guestimate derived from using the three devices and not a hard number based on any formal testing) it seems that some apps like Acrobat reader and Google search had to be reinstalled manually (I have no idea why but they were not part of the auto re-install). Anyway these are my observations so far.
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Apps installed from Zune on the PC will automatically restore after a hardset. Apps installed from the marketplace directly on the phone will not.
I ended up having to swap my Surround for another Surround (broken camera button) and went through the same thing. It installed several of the programs I had, but I think it only did a few because the others I bought through the phone and never "synced" it again. That's my only guess anyway.
I'm glad once it's purchased, it is tied to the account!
And what about the app's data? When Zune restores the apps, it restores the app data also? Like, saved levels of a game, etc?
Unfortunatly, this does no happen on ZuneHD. Only the apps are resintalled, but never the data.
hopefully when we get the first update and Zune makes a backup, we can then do manual backups, or at least restores back to the last update.
I had a device where I conncected it in such a way that zune saw it and complained that there was no backup and the device would require a hard reset, or to get the rom from my maunfacturer or carrier, I don't remember the exact wording, but it did mention there were no backups to restore
Hi guys, I have a strange behaviour of my LG Optimus 7:
Some weeks ago I decided two install two applications from Zune's marketplace, then I installed other apps from phone's marketplace.
Suddently I formatted both PC and PHone but the first time after PHone formatting I connect the phone Zune automatically reinstall the two application: The Weather Channel and the game Unite.
How it is possible? both phone and PC are fresh formatted, I think it takes data from Windows Live ID Account, please help this thing is really annoying!!
i would imagine that it gets cached on the server side that it was installed via Zune Desktop. I don't think you can do much about it at present. Perhaps see if it is possible to remove the history on your account of the app install? I'm not too sure to be honest, i've actually installed everything via my phone.
in zune you can delete music, but I don't think you can delete apps (just tried and it wouldn't let me).
Might mention it through zune support.
That's happened to me to as well. It reinstalls anything that you installed through the desktop version originally.
I wish there was a way to reset this stuff, as there are times when I want to install something from the phone, but had installed it from zune, so it says I can't since I already purchased it. Why can't I install from both?!
I think this is an issue... if I don't like an app I have all the right to delete it, and also to change my mind to reinstall from where I want!
MAybe the guys just did some mess in the mechanism that manage subscriptions?
This happened to me a few times.
Birdy Bouce is always restored on my phone (I broke a HD7 so was resetting that a lot and it it's present on my Omnia)
Incidently, Birdy Bounce is the only game I installed via zune.
I have the same problem. I get restored over 30 unwanted apps every few days. This is a huge bug, I think. Hope for noDO...
Well, first of all hello to everyone! I am new in here but have been visiting XDA for a pretty long time now.
Now with the introduction aside, let me get to my issue.
I don't know if you have noticed some problems with non-working live tiles of apps pinned at the home screen, the inability to connect to messaging (Live Messenger, Facebook chat) or other general problems.
Well, I contacted @WinPhoneSupport (as well as many, many other people) to report two problems (the first two mentioned above) that I'm currently experiencing. I was advised by them to restart my phone and then pull my battery for at least two minutes in order to see what happens. So, I left my battery out overnight but my problems weren't fixed.
I was told then to restore my backup and reinstall Mango
After thinking about it for some hours, I thought it would be better to start over again by doing a factory reset but then I suddenly remembered that some things I care about were not saved in the Zune "backup" so now I'm stuck again with the problem.
So, I am now in a dilemma; should I just reset my phone and go my way up till Mango from RTM? If so, is there some homebrew that could save data which is not saved by Zune? I'm interested on saving some ringtones (not available anywhere else!) I downloaded from the Insider app. [ I was considereing using the Windows Phone Device Manager but it can't identified my phone (dev unlocked). ]
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Is there any way I could possibly fix the "Can't connect to see who's online" error message in Messaging?
I appreciate any help you can provide to my problem.
A factory reset will do. I did it and it was restores to mango, not the pre mango state. Live tiles etc works well after that.
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Well, first of all hello to everyone! I am new in here but have been visiting XDA for a pretty long time now.
Now with the introduction aside, let me get to my issue.
I don't know if you have noticed some problems with non-working live tiles of apps pinned at the home screen, the inability to connect to messaging (Live Messenger, Facebook chat) or other general problems.
Well, I contacted @WinPhoneSupport (as well as many, many other people) to report two problems (the first two mentioned above) that I'm currently experiencing. I was advised by them to restart my phone and then pull my battery for at least two minutes in order to see what happens. So, I left my battery out overnight but my problems weren't fixed.
I was told then to restore my backup and reinstall Mango
After thinking about it for some hours, I thought it would be better to start over again by doing a factory reset but then I suddenly remembered that some things I care about were not saved in the Zune "backup" so now I'm stuck again with the problem.
So, I am now in a dilemma; should I just reset my phone and go my way up till Mango from RTM? If so, is there some homebrew that could save data which is not saved by Zune? I'm interested on saving some ringtones (not available anywhere else!) I downloaded from the Insider app. [ I was considereing using the Windows Phone Device Manager but it can't identified my phone (dev unlocked). ]
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Is there any way I could possibly fix the "Can't connect to see who's online" error message in Messaging?
I appreciate any help you can provide to my problem.
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I would advise you to reconsider if there is any data that you would like to keep or unwilling to drop before doing any reset...
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I would advise you to reconsider if there is any data that you would like to keep or unwilling to drop before doing any reset...
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Yes, there's information I would like to keep but I don't know how
For example:
I downloaded 5 ringtones from the "Insider" app, at first I thought Zune would sync them into the Music folder (PC) but that was not the case.
There are a few SMS I would like to keep, they're not that important but it'd be nice to have 'em.
I suppose there's nothing I can do to save my game scores.
I think that's it, I can't remember of anything else Zune hasn't already save on my PC.
I know I could use Windows Phone Device Manager but I can't get it to work. (Yes, my phone it's dev unlocked)
You can try to copy your sms to a word document and upload it to skydrive. But you won't be able to import them back into messaging hub. As for gamescores, only XBOX live games will be saved.
They really need to alter the way Zune does backups. I have some live tiles that wont function but i'll be damned if i have to reset and they install all of my apps and tile locations again.
@morpheuszg That's a good idea, simple but that'll do it
And yes! MSFT gotta do something with Zune when it comes to backing up
Does anyone know whether Windows Phone Device Manager can access the ringtone folder in WP7 and if it's Mango ready?
None of your games progress will be saved, including Xbox Live games. What you wont lose are the achievements you've already unlocked, but you will have to play those games again from the beginning if you havent finished them already.
Best thing you could do is finish whatever games you want, forward your sms's to another phone where you can send them back again (or copy to word as suggested). I have pinged Joe Belfiore & Brandon Watson several times on twitter about the lack of proper backup, add your voice as well because it really is a disgrace that there is no way to backup data we care about, on the phone that is supposed to be all about the people and things we care about.
My phone was infected with stalkerware, they had access to my files, could view what was on my screen, listen into my mic, view my cameras remotely, everything! It's incredibly creepy! From what I can tell they somehow loaded q hacked version of Google Chrome and or android web viewer. After getting suspicious I downloaded Kaspersky and ran a scan, I found 2 versions of Google Chrome on my phone one of them had the dual messenger app icon on it. The other one said it wasn't a current version from the apps store. I Uninstallerd and downloaded the current version through the app store. I tried to see if a packet sniffer would lead me to them but I think I was too late by that point. I also pulled the Chrome app qnd decompiler it. There was some weird things in there like ignore playstore version but nothing that I could find that would lead me to who was watching me. Is there anything I can still do that will lead me to who did this? I have a strong idea of who it was but need evidence so I can prosecute them. Any help would be appreciated. Im putting up a 500 dollar bounty if anyone can help me get some solid evidence.
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My phone was infected with stalkerware, they had access to my files, could view what was on my screen, listen into my mic, view my cameras remotely, everything! It's incredibly creepy! From what I can tell they somehow loaded q hacked version of Google Chrome and or android web viewer. After getting suspicious I downloaded Kaspersky and ran a scan, I found 2 versions of Google Chrome on my phone one of them had the dual messenger app icon on it. The other one said it wasn't a current version from the apps store. I Uninstallerd and downloaded the current version through the app store. I tried to see if a packet sniffer would lead me to them but I think I was too late by that point. I also pulled the Chrome app qnd decompiler it. There was some weird things in there like ignore playstore version but nothing that I could find that would lead me to who was watching me. Is there anything I can still do that will lead me to who did this? I have a strong idea of who it was but need evidence so I can prosecute them. Any help would be appreciated. Im putting up a 500 dollar bounty if anyone can help me get some solid evidence.
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Try logging into your Google account from a computer. Look at what devices have access to your account. I looked at mine a couple of months ago and saw a phone I never owned on AT&T. Funny thing is I have NEVER had AT&T. I've always and still have Verizon. I immediately removed, blocked and reported the device.
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Try logging into your Google account from a computer. Look at what devices have access to your account. I looked at mine a couple of months ago and saw a phone I never owned on AT&T. Funny thing is I have NEVER had AT&T. I've always and still have Verizon. I immediately removed, blocked and reported the device.
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That was the first thing I tried. Didn't find anything unfortunately. These a holes are good.
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That was the first thing I tried. Didn't find anything unfortunately. These a holes are good.
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Did you run a log of your IP addresses?
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Did you run a log of your IP addresses?
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Not until after the connection was severed. My first thought was to run a virus scan. The only thing I found was an application was installed feb 1st and the clean version of chrome stopped uploading on Feb 1st.
Why are there two of these? And how did they use dual messenger to install doubles? I've disabled all of them.
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Not until after the connection was severed. My first thought was to run a virus scan. The only thing I found was an application was installed feb 1st and the clean version of chrome stopped uploading on Feb 1st.
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Did you delete the corrupt Chrome already? The IP history may be in there...
you wish to find your IP address Internet history, you can easily do so directly from your Internet browser.
Step 1
Open your Internet browser, and click on "Tools" located in the horizontal menu bar at the top of the window.
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Click on "Internet Options"
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Click on "Settings" located beneath the "Browsing History" subheading.
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Click on the "View Files" button to find your IP address Internet history.
If you post the chrome apk that you dumped or anything else that you have that was related to the "infected" files, they might be helpful in looking for clues.
These are the apk files that I suspect could have been infected. Unfortunately I didn't pull them until after they were updated. But I believe there is still a change log kind of manifest if you decompile them.
On mobile? Im not seeing those options
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Did you delete the corrupt Chrome already? The IP history may be in there...
you wish to find your IP address Internet history, you can easily do so directly from your Internet browser.
Step 1
Open your Internet browser, and click on "Tools" located in the horizontal menu bar at the top of the window.
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Click on "Internet Options"
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Click on "Settings" located beneath the "Browsing History" subheading.
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Click on the "View Files" button to find your IP address Internet history.
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From what I can see, those apks unfortunately appear to be normal un-tampered files. The manifest I believe you are referring to is a component of the apk that dictates things like permissions and interfaces, but it does not perform any sort of logging or historical record sadly, as the entire apk is replaced when an app is updated or installed over an existing installation.
I am not sure how much cleaning you have done of your device since it happened, but aside from clues or records which might be available from various services you use (finding connected accounts that aren't yours, history of any account activities that weren't initiated by you, etc), your next best bet would probably be to dig through the files on the device in search of anything that shouldn't be there. Hopefully there is still some artifact of the infection which could potentially point towards its origin. I will follow this thread, happy to dig through files in my spare time.
Does anyone know if android keeps a log of installs or qnything in the root folder perhaps?
Isn't there a relation between duplicate app instances and secure folder?
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Isn't there a relation between duplicate app instances and secure folder?
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Yes but I've never set up secure folder. Never felt a need to.
First thing I do is a factory reset (and hope that gets it) and reset the Google password.
Keep that bloody device 100% isolated from your PC and data backup copies including the SD card*. Wipe the SD card in the device before the reload and again after the reload. Do NOT connect the card or phone to your PC before the new load is proven clean. Load data directly to SD card from the PC then to the 10+ just in case.
Try to piece together when and what did it but that is a secondary concern. Consider it a drill.
Better get while the gettings good... that level of being compromised means no time to lose ditching the OS. I most likely wipe the SD card too and use one of the clean data backups I keep for just such an event. Torch all data on the device.
If it gets into your backup data copies you're boned.
OSs are 100% expendable, critical data is not.
*you can scan it with everything on the planet and still miss trojans, tainted jpegs/pngs, etc if no definitions exist yet. Expect multiple hidden infections now and go full nuke.
Isolating the infection to that device is only priority. It's possible the infection(s) are already on one or more backups and/or your PC. That's why it's important to keep multiple time staggered backups on multiple electronically isolated hdds.
I keep a 3 tier backup and my PC is never internet connected.
Keep your head and limit the spread...
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Why are there two of these? And how did they use dual messenger to install doubles? I've disabled all of them.
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looks normal to me. Those are typical apps that run when dual account messenger service is used .