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Can someone explain me please what is a root Desire?What is the different between root desire and non root desire?why must someone root his desire?
thank you for your time
http://nimbu.amorvi.com/2010/07/rooting-a-glossary-of-terms/#more-395
Rooting
This is the process of applying root to your phone. Basically think of it as unlocking all the options of your phone. By default you are a user, and you have limited privilages to do things on your phone. You cannot really modify any internal aspects of the phone. Rooting gives you a super user access, effectively giving you extra permissions and more freedom to play around with your phone. Things such as taking screenshots, backing up all data to do with an app or overclocking your phones processor.
Thank you for your quick answer.can you please tell me how can i root my desire?i am using android 2.2.
also if i root my desire,can i go back to the oficial?
thank you
You can't at the moment. You'll have to wait until someone finds a way to root 2.2
sbdags said:
You can't at the moment. You'll have to wait until someone finds a way to root 2.2
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can i still install the OTA_Bravo_Froyo_HTC_WWE_2.09.405.8-1.21.405.2_release4dua3bcrut4wrv30.zip
on my unbranded,unlocked and just rooted 2.1 Desire manually by put it on my SDcard and flashing?
Root is not a great advantage to the average user and tbh if you need to ask then the advantages of rooting will be extreamly minor. The backup is probably the best feature of being rooted. The OTA updates will need to be done via the SD Card Manually if you root but its very easy and should not put you off rooting.
jamesmcuk said:
Root is not a great advantage to the average user and tbh if you need to ask then the advantages of rooting will be extreamly minor. The backup is probably the best feature of being rooted. The OTA updates will need to be done via the SD Card Manually if you root but its very easy and should not put you off rooting.
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Cheers for the fast answer.Im ok with rooting i just wanted to be sure if the OTA froyo from HTC with Sense can still be uploaded manually via SDcard and from your reply,it seems like it's possible.
yeah it is I was wondering the same thing 2 days ago here is my thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=748105
Agreed you can pretty much live without root if you don't want to customise, but I use it for:
1) Moving / removing apps from system in recovery
2) Flashing fixes like wake on menu button or an updated hosts files so no ads appear on phone, or custom icons / frameworks
3) Allows flashing of custom Roms with many features not found on stock Roms
4) Allows Nandroid backups and recoveries to roll back easily
5) Allows apps to be run that require root; Titanium Backup, Cache Manager, Rom Manager, Root Explorer, Terminal Emulator, etc
jamesmcuk said:
yeah it is I was wondering the same thing 2 days ago here is my thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=748105
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How's the froyo experience for you?Encountering any signal bar/radio issues or any wifi signal drops?How about laggings generally?
nasimdejai said:
How's the froyo experience for you?Encountering any signal bar/radio issues or any wifi signal drops?How about laggings generally?
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Depends which Rom you use. The OTA ones suck imo as there are too many bugs. Try Neophyte 1.6 first as it is very stable and quick.
sbdags said:
Depends which Rom you use. The OTA ones suck imo as there are too many bugs. Try Neophyte 1.6 first as it is very stable and quick.
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Can I use the same method as the OTA to install Neophyte 1.6 or is it some other method?Cheers
You go into recovery (start the phone with volume down and power held down)
Then do a nandroid backup, wipe the phone, and choose flash rom and radio. Your rom.zip should be on the root of the sd card. It's worth backing up the sd card too and repartition it into 0 swap; 512mb ext2 and the rest fat32 form recovery if you want to use apps2sd.
So back up sd and phone via windows and titanium backup
then boot into recovery
nandroid
partition
wipe / factory reset
install rom
install latest radio
reboot phone
restore sd card contents & restore via titanium
This assumes you used revoke to root the phone in the first place.
Actually you need some things to:
http://rootmydroid.co.uk/guides/desire/howto-root-your-htc-desire/
some basics.
IS IT Possible to use ROM MANAGER and not RECOVERY MODE?
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How's the froyo experience for you?Encountering any signal bar/radio issues or any wifi signal drops?How about laggings generally?
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only been using it a day or so but its all good right now. I wouldn't say the speed improvements are massive because although in technical terms they maybe e.g 1 sec becomes 1/4 sec its not massively noticeable. it does feel snappy though! my wifi is spot on as is my mobile network using the roms i detailed on my thread posted above on my virgin mobile uk handset. I didn't try and find a virgin mobile rom btw so i assume this will work on all desires. Only thing so far with Froyo is my Phonelogger app wants to force close all the time but i guess there will be an update for it soon enough.
kmetek said:
Actually you need some things to:
http://rootmydroid.co.uk/guides/desire/howto-root-your-htc-desire/
some basics.
IS IT Possible to use ROM MANAGER and not RECOVERY MODE?
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Great guide BTW!
sbdags said:
You go into recovery (start the phone with volume down and power held down)
Then do a nandroid backup, wipe the phone, and choose flash rom and radio. Your rom.zip should be on the root of the sd card. It's worth backing up the sd card too and repartition it into 0 swap; 512mb ext2 and the rest fat32 form recovery if you want to use apps2sd.
So back up sd and phone via windows and titanium backup
then boot into recovery
nandroid
partition
wipe / factory reset
install rom
install latest radio
reboot phone
restore sd card contents & restore via titanium
This assumes you used revoke to root the phone in the first place.
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I used revoked3 and how do i go about repartitioning,is it via PC or directly on the phone?
how to repartition your sd card?
forget all that partitioning nonsense after all the reasons for sending it back are liekly to be broken screen, wont charge, buttons faulty, or touch screen defective all of which will probably result in you not being able to restore to factory anyway!
If you are going to root then grab the bull and hold on lol
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how to repartition your sd card?
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yes,would love to know how to do that
1/ Please could someone do me a guide, of how to setup my 8gb sd card.
2/ Whats apps i need from the Market store to run them
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3/ A link if possible for the application for my HTC desire.
Just a little confused, i have a rooted phone, and stock / Market fixed rom
installed running froyo 2.2 (which is excellent. )
I would be very greatful.
Many Thanks
Sean
1: backup all data on the SDCards as it will be wiped
2: if it is not already in the ROM - install ROM Manager: http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/tools/rom-manager_fjxs.html
3: use Rom Manager to partition the SDCard. (I use 'no swap' and 512MB EXT3)
4: put the data that you backed up in step 1 back on the SDCard
5: install a ROM that supports app2sd. All ROM cooks publish if whether their ROM supports apps2sc or apps2sd+
5: reinstall all your apps. They will now be installed on the SDCard until that runs out of space.
6: done.
I have rooted my htc desire with Goldcard, installed Involkd image for recovery
do i need to run any scripts or anything to get the apps2sd to work, i currently have Market fixed rom installed, as like to keep it as close to the org rom as possible,
So if the apps2ds is not installed with the rom were can i download this from, please you give me a link,? so i can flash this to the phone. also how do i use that rom manager, what is no (Swap)
Many Thanks for the help.
tapperace2010 said:
do i need to run any scripts or anything to get the apps2sd to work
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No. On booting the phone will link the memory on the SDCard to your internal memory, so the phone thinks it is loading all apps in internal memory, while it is actually stored on the SDCard.
tapperace2010 said:
i currently have Market fixed rom installed, as like to keep it as close to the org rom as possible,
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This ROM does not support App2sd. If you want to stay close to the original AND use apps2sd, use a ROM like NextSense: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=742371
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also how do i use that rom manager, what is no (Swap)
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On creating an extra partition on your SDCard, the Rom manager will ask what size the swap part needs to be (I used 0) and what size the EXT3 (I used 512).
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Many Thanks for the help.
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No problem.
This Rom seems to be very unstable, i want a rom close to the org as possible, but also to include apps2sd, or a download for app2sd how to guide please.
I love the one i got, as its hardly been messed with, bloatware drives me crazy, if its
not broke do not fix it.
Thanks
Tapper
Has all the problems with Sense rom been fixed.
Is their anyway i can update the rom i have, with the Apps2ds added to it, or do it has to be embedded into the rom.?
Also when you say ext 2 3 4, do i need to format my sd card 1st. and if so how to format in the phone or by a program from the market, ie : what you suggested before.
Thanks
Tapp
tapperace2010 said:
This Rom seems to be very unstable, i want a rom close to the org as possible, but also to include apps2sd, or a download for app2sd how to guide please.
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Just try them all. I used NextSense for a while (5.1) and for me it was very stable.
New ROMs come out every day, so just try a couple of them and see which work well for you.
At this moment I use WhiteXperience 2.0 which does not use sense, so I do not use Sense at this very moment. Btw.: WhiteXperience 2.0 is extremely fast with low batery use. For me this is more important than Sense.
With Rom Manager you can quickly create a full backup of your ROM with all the apps and data. So, create a full backup, install a new ROM, play with it for a few hours and either keep the new ROM or restore the old ROM.
This way you can quickly test a new ROM and see if it does what you need.
tapperace2010 said:
I love the one i got, as its hardly been messed with, bloatware drives me crazy, if its
not broke do not fix it.
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That is the reason I use WhiteXperience, since it is based on CyanogenMod 6.
But again it is not based on Sense, which is what you want.
tapperace2010 said:
Is their anyway i can update the rom i have, with the Apps2ds added to it, or do it has to be embedded into the rom.?
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I have not tried that. I have only tried ROMs that support Apps2sd.
But then again, just try it out: http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-appstosd2-qBx.aspx and let us know if this works for you.
However, since Froyo uses another way of storing apps in SD, you might end up with an unstable system.
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Also when you say ext 2 3 4, do i need to format my sd card 1st. and if so how to format in the phone or by a program from the market, ie : what you suggested before.
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After the partition has been created you end up with a formatted, empty SDCard. So no prior formatting is necessary.
tapperace2010 said:
This Rom seems to be very unstable, i want a rom close to the org as possible, but also to include apps2sd, or a download for app2sd how to guide please.
I love the one i got, as its hardly been messed with, bloatware drives me crazy, if its
not broke do not fix it.
Thanks
Tapper
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I've tried most of them if not all and NexTSense 5.3 is by far the most stable and best Rom on here. It's almost as stock as they come with Apps2sd installed. I think the only app changed is google maps to the slightly better brut version.
Define unstable? Most roms require a clean wipe before installing.
I agree with sbdags. NextSense is absolutely stable and, if you want Sense, this Rom would be the best choice to try out.
Hi - this is an old topic but I've not been able to find an answer to this question...
My wife has a stock Desire GSM locked to T-Mobile UK with their stock 2.2 ROM. It's not rooted and there's no custom recovery. She's always running into the 15MB 'low storage' warning even with as much automated 'App2SD' as possible.
As a result *I* get a lot of earache about 'this bloody phone' and I'd like it to stop.
I don't want to flash a custom ROM, but if I root the phone with unrevoked, will I be able to take advantage of an 'sd-ext' partition on the MicroSD card so she can have a gig of apps rather than the ****ty 140MB on the internal storage?
What other apps / scripts / packages would be needed? The current ROM works fine - I would rather not replace it if possible since the settings / apps restore will be slow and painful.
Cheers,
Gavin.
Check Supernova rom. It's the stock Gingerbread update from HTC plus the space. I understand that you don't wanna flash a different rom but it's worth considering.
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Check Supernova rom. It's the stock Gingerbread update from HTC plus the space. I understand that you don't wanna flash a different rom but it's worth considering.
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Hm, interesting... so for that I'd just run unrevoked and assuming that installs ClockworkMod recovery OK, I'd copy the Flashable ZIP from http://supernova.droidzone.in/?page_id=24 to the SD card and flash that from recovery?
But yeh, keeping the existing ROM would be gold
Yeah in a nutshell. But first check what hboot version you have. You may need to run Revolutionary instead of Unrevoked. Also once you got that part done, instead of using clockworkmod recovery search for 4ext recovery touch its a lot better. Then with that recovery you can partition your sd card. Yeah its a lot of work.
Read the supernova thread or the website where you can download the rom. If I am not mistaken you can actually flash the rom without losing data. Just read the instructions carefully as its a little bit different from the usual process if I can remember correctly.
That's the closest rom where you can get the stock goods from htc. Check the everything desire thread on the dev section there might be some other roms there that is stock plus apps2sd.
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If you just don't want to change your rom, you can use Link2SD. It is found on the market, with it you can control which apps are moved and what is moved (app, dalvik, libs). It also has an "auto-move" feature, so your wife won't need to move everything manually. But of course you'll first have to create the ext4 partition.
Teppics stock rooted GB Rom is also worth a look, and you might also get away with not wiping data. Once rooted recommend download Titanium Backup from market and use it to backup user apps, then do a full nandroid backup before doing anything else. Any problems restoring nandroid will get you back to where you were. Also, 4Ext recovery is good but this requires S-OFF and is a separate process if you root via Unrevoked. Read up and read it again before starting, will stand you in good stead.
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Ahh "Link2SD" - that looks like a winner - I knew there would be a solution but no amount of Google-fu opened it for me... Link2SD - that's the magic incantation )
I'll give that a shot =)
As for the Unrevoked part - I can't do a full Nandroid backup until I get past that part.. so fingers crossed
Solved - SD-ext on stock 2.2 ROM?
Just wanted to follow up on this to say that I successfully ran Revolutionary against the T-Mobile locked phone (HBOOT 0.93.0001), applied the Superuser-3.0.3-efgh.zip as linked from the Revolutionary FAQ.
Finally I made a second FAT32 partition on the SD card since the phone doesn't seem to have ext2/3/4 support built in... and now we've been using Link2SD quite successfully =)
Thanks for the pointers + help, peeps
Greetings,
This is a bit cliché question but i've Google literally everywhere and tried every tutorial available.
What I want: I want to backup my Galaxy W's stock ROM so I can instal custom ROM's a know that I can return to the stock rom in case I screw something or if anything goes wrong.
I've tried.
Rom Manager with cwm recovery - I get an error in recovery mode that tells me to check the log. When I do the log is empty. If I attempt to restore the ROM it says that it's missing an MD5 file.
Online nandroid - it runs sucefully but I cannot find and restore the backup afterwards.
Other backup apps I've tried just backed up my apps or contacts and they've done so sucessfully.
The question is, can someone help me finding a good and reliable way to backup my ROM so I can return to the stock gingerbread in case the ICS paranoid android does (or goes) wrong?
thanks in advance
Thaenor said:
Greetings,
This is a bit cliché question but i've Google literally everywhere and tried every tutorial available.
What I want: I want to backup my Galaxy W's stock ROM so I can instal custom ROM's a know that I can return to the stock rom in case I screw something or if anything goes wrong.
I've tried.
Rom Manager with cwm recovery - I get an error in recovery mode that tells me to check the log. When I do the log is empty. If I attempt to restore the ROM it says that it's missing an MD5 file.
Online nandroid - it runs sucefully but I cannot find and restore the backup afterwards.
Other backup apps I've tried just backed up my apps or contacts and they've done so sucessfully.
The question is, can someone help me finding a good and reliable way to backup my ROM so I can return to the stock gingerbread in case the ICS paranoid android does (or goes) wrong?
thanks in advance
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First flash cwm recovery with odin then you can back up your stock rom
thank you but...
well... at least you're pointing me in the right direction.
I'll try looking for some tutorials to back up through Odin. Thing is, I have a mac. I hope that doesn't get in the way.
Could you point me out for some tutorials please?
EDIT: I would prefer to avoid using Odin. the process seems really dangerous.
EDIT 2: I noticed my memory in the android is full. It means that nandroid online DID backup, apparently sucessfully. All I need is to find it and test it.
Assuming it will restore my system to the way it is I can finally get to try some paranoid android mods.
Also, has an alternative. Do you think I could simply lookup and download the official stock rom and, in case something goes wrong, simply reinstall it?
Thaenor said:
well... at least you're pointing me in the right direction.
I'll try looking for some tutorials to back up through Odin. Thing is, I have a mac. I hope that doesn't get in the way.
Could you point me out for some tutorials please?
EDIT: I would prefer to avoid using Odin. the process seems really dangerous.
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No not dangerous but its your choice. Just look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21875835&postcount=3
lafactorial said:
No not dangerous but its your choice. Just look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21875835&postcount=3
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The thing is... I barely know what Odin is. From what I saw on google I can't even run that on Mac (I have another pc with Windows just in case).
And I'm not even sure what links to follow if the Rom recovery (I just want to do a backup) or the clockwork mod...
Wouldn't it be easier if I just downloaded the official ROM and used that one has my backup?
u can use dd shell instead of odin just search how to use it , for stock rom thats flashable through cwm recovery then i guess ull find one thats XXLM8 based in the forum or u can build one urself using ur windows pc and dsixda's kitchen (but it will take u some time to install the kitchen and know how to use it), for nandroid backups 3 things are recommended : 1- free space on either internal or external sdcard 2- root access to make sure everything is ok (at least thats my opinion) 3- either CWM or TWRP recoveries
my advice is to backup the EFS folder which is much more important than the rom itself (ull find a thread on how to backup & restore it) and also ull find that ull depend on ICS & JB based roms in the future that ull rarely go back to stock
I tried to backup to SD card through the clockworkmod in recovery mode and it worked.
I tried to restore it and it restored my system... I think. To the same state.
Now I'm having a different problem. I have instaled cyanogen mod paranoid android, but unfortunately the phone get's stuck in the boot animation with the scrolling android eyes.
Can anyone please help me.
PS: I had to ultimately put the backup to the test. The custom Rom was not working at all! here is the link to the rom, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1753065
Luckly the backup worked and restored my stock ROM putting everything back in place. *phew*
The question remains... where can I find a good ROM with paranoid android for my galaxy W?
Have you wiped /system & /data & /cache before installing the paranoid ??
for paranoid u can check newer paranoid roms cuz this one seems abit old, also check pacman roms cuz i guess they're usually built on paranoid
I (wrongly) assumed that an older rom would mean a more stable one. But here's to topics I would like to clear.
here's what I did all in clockwork mod:
.cleaned cache
.cleaned Dalvik cache
.fixed permitions
.installed the ROM
.installed GAPPS right afterwards
.reboot
1. Is there a COMPLETELY stable ROM for Galaxy W with ICS or Jelly Bean?
2. Where can I find updated ROMs of paranoid android or this packman you mentioned? I have a hard time finding thrustworthy ROM's and even more checking reviews and comments to make sure it works or what sort of problems people have with them.
Thank you once again, my Galaxy Wonder is doing fine. I'm back to the original ROM and I haven't lost anything (that I noticed). I have 2 backups on my SD card that are taking up 2GB of space but I'm too scared to move them to my PC, afraid that they won't work after I move them.
you shall wipe /data & /system (this will wipe all ur apps, contacts & sms but its an essential step as ur shifting from GB to ICS or JB)
this pacman (cm10.1 based) has hybrid properties and is the most updated so far : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2218224
If you want stability. I recommend CM9 RC 9
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ouch... So I have a couple of questions.
1. Did the backup really restore everything or just part of it, and the messages and whatnot were kept because I never wiped the system and apps
I was using a cm9 clockwork recovery mode... I think.
2. What is cm9 and cm10?
2.1 does this have to do with the Kernel?
2.2 Is the Kernel updatable? And if so are there any updates for Wonder?
3. what does "GO PRISTINE WAY" mean?
Just so we're clear on the number one. Fact check me if I'm wrong but I think that the Wonder has a default recovery mode and what I did by installing the clockwork recovery was override that recovery mode with one made by other people (read unoficially). In that light I believe there would be updates to this clockwork recovery mode, the question is, are they worth installing? Usually earlier versions can be more stable, not sure if this applies here.
Through this clockwork recovery I went to the options in backup/restore and selected "backup to SD external card" which create a folder in my external SD card. And the (million dollar) question here is, what did I exactly backup? Everything? Just the ROM? Just apps?
Once again thanks for help. I'm getting a mix of interest and fear out of this ROM business. I like the features in paranoid android (like phablet mode), but I am also equally scared of bricking my phone and having to go back to my really really old Blackberry.
Thaenor said:
ouch... So I have a couple of questions.
1. Did the backup really restore everything or just part of it, and the messages and whatnot were kept because I never wiped the system and apps
I was using a cm9 clockwork recovery mode... I think.
2. What is cm9 and cm10?
2.1 does this have to do with the Kernel?
2.2 Is the Kernel updatable? And if so are there any updates for Wonder?
3. what does "GO PRISTINE WAY" mean?
Just so we're clear on the number one. Fact check me if I'm wrong but I think that the Wonder has a default recovery mode and what I did by installing the clockwork recovery was override that recovery mode with one made by other people (read unoficially). In that light I believe there would be updates to this clockwork recovery mode, the question is, are they worth installing? Usually earlier versions can be more stable, not sure if this applies here.
Through this clockwork recovery I went to the options in backup/restore and selected "backup to SD external card" which create a folder in my external SD card. And the (million dollar) question here is, what did I exactly backup? Everything? Just the ROM? Just apps?
Once again thanks for help. I'm getting a mix of interest and fear out of this ROM business. I like the features in paranoid android (like phablet mode), but I am also equally scared of bricking my phone and having to go back to my really really old Blackberry.
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The clockwork recovery backups almost everything (except boot loader if i remembered correctly?) , including hut not only the 'system' partition where the rom's file are put and 'data' where your changes to the system(changes excluding “root” ones) are saved
Advice: apps backedup(data partition) using the recovery only works on the same rom or those of the same 'base', use titanium backup the apps is safer,note that there migt be problem if you restore data on a different android version(for example using titanium backup to backup apps on an android 2.3 system and restore them on android 4.2 system might not work) try use the backup/restore opion in the app if availible.
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Ans to Q1:
The clockwork recovery backups almost everything (except boot loader if i remembered correctly?) , including hut not only the 'system' partition where the rom's file are put and 'data' where your changes to the system(changes excluding “root” ones) are saved
Advice: apps backedup(data partition) using the recovery only works on the same rom or those of the same 'base', use titanium backup the apps is safer,note that there migt be problem if you restore data on a different android version(for example using titanium backup to backup apps on an android 2.3 system and restore them on android 4.2 system might not work) try use the backup/restore opion in the app if availible.
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there's actually a 4th question.
4 - with a new rom, I will also be installing a new version of Gapps right? Does that mean that apps that couldn't be installed on my phone will now be available? Like the Chrome navigator or the new game Kingdom Rush.
ok lets start answering all questions in order
1. making a backup using CWM recovery (we name it nandroid backup) will backup ur a)system (it has the base files of the rom that will stay the same even if u make a factory reset, but surely thr content data will b deleted), b)cache, c)data (data means the apps and their data not the media that r stored on sdcard "a nandroid backup will not restore the images of a whats app conversation if the whats app folder is deleted from ur sdcard") d)kernel (named boot.img) & e)recovery (which is the same recovery itself u used to make the backup) ..... nandroid backup will not backup boot loader (which u dont have to worry about cuz u wont b able to solve it urself) and EFS folder (which u surely have to worry about cuz its easily backupable and restored if anythn happens to it)
2. cm9 is ICS 4.0.x .... cm10 is JB 4.1.x .... cm10.1 is JB 4.2.x .... stock rom for our wonder is GB 2.3.6 ............. All of them r different bases for android and to change between them its always preferable to make a full wipe not to have conflicts like boot loops or apps force close
2.1 each base has its kernel even if it has the same version number (i.e. same processing manner) cuz it shall be modified for each base to work on it properly
2.2 yes kernels r updatable for each base (u can c an example if u go to arco's cm threads and c the changelog)
3. go pristine is a term introduced by a great xda member here called pepoluan and it means full wipe of the phone to make sure u have a clean install of whatever u want (thrs a thread in general section for how to go pristine)
4. Gapps (aka Google apps) depend on which base u r , u can't install JB gapps for ICS , some of the apps that the gapps zip contains are updatable while some of them cant be updated (e.g. the newest google search cant b updated to ICS so ull have to stick with what the ICS gapps provided u) and finally u can c how the gapps are classified in this simple link http://goo.im/gapps
Any further question ??
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Ah , about the stability, so far here all the bases are quite stable but if ur looking for the most stable then try cm9 based roms
the more updates the base gets (cm9 has the most updates so far) the more stable it gets cuz they fix the bugs of the older versions and u can check that from the changelog of every rom, so never think about staying on an older rom if thrs a newer more stable version of it
Actually yes, I hope I'm not pushing my luck here, but every time I dig a little deeper into the Android OS I find new and complicated tutorials and questions. At first I just thought it was as simple as downloading Titanium backup and them installing new ROM's.
Then I find out that backing up the OS ins't as simple as that. THEN there are other "smalls things" that actually turn up rather complicated.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but from what I understand. Certain apps, like Kingdom Rush aren't available on my Wonder because the GAPPs version doesn't allow it. If I were to install a JB rom for example, then it would probably allow that game to be installed, because it would require a new version of GAPPs.
1. So assuming I don't mind about reinstalling the apps (but I have those backed up anyway), I also backed up my contacts, messages and call logs. Added to a nandroid backup should be enough to guarantee that I can go back to my first version, in case something goes wrong?
(that and the EFS which I will have to look into later)
1.1 - should I update my clockwork mod first? I'm not sure which version I have, but should I expect it to have a big impact on the process?
2. The android inner phone memory is split in two correct? One of the partition is called SD card and is usually in the path /mnt/SDcard or similar.
If I do this "going pristine" and clean up everything, will I have to remake the partitions?
2.1 I also have an external SD card. A full factory wipe (which I assume is the same as to say "go pristine") won't affect it correct? (either I'm removing it during the process (just in case))
I just hate in the phone lags and freezes. But I also suck at typing on a touchscreen so I really need Swiftkey, I even bought the app and it works nicely, but it is a little heavy and I notice the phone takes a few seconds to load it. I also need Dolphin browser because of the browser syncing feature (so I can see the tabs from chrome there).
Is the Pacman rom you recomended earlier fluid? Or should I expect it to be laggy with these slightly heavy apps?
thanks for the help so far
First about kingdom rush , it's not because of the Gapps version, it's because of the base of the rom itself ( whether ICS or JB) which defines everything later on like wt kernel it should use or which gapps to flash or what apps can't be downloaded from playstore due to android version incompatiblity with the app
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1. yes it should be enough
1.1 it's preferable but not a must , there will be an impact but not that big
2. a hazy question , sounds like a bunch of questions all together , but lets try answering it (them) , there are alot of partitions but let's focus on just two for now : a) /data which is 1.07 GB and the apps installed and have their data stored on it .... b) /mnt/sdcard or similar names which is 1.7 GB and stores your media in addition to some data of the apps (mostly media data like images of viber or whatsapp) , to go pristine is to format this partition as well which as i told u b4 don't get backed up during the process so ull have to copy its folders & files urself to an external sdcard or to ur pc ....... u won't have to remake any partitions , just click format on the desired partition while ur in the recovery and it will be wiped and reformatted automatically
2.1 actually it depends on whether u click format external_sdcard or not , but i usually remove it b4 i do any format to make sure its safe and if i wanna format it then i do it on pc after making a copy of it on my pc
for a keyboard u can try Kii keyboard, it seems good to me
ive never tried pacman so u shall be the one to tell me how it work's for u
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First about kingdom rush , it's not because of the Gapps version, it's because of the base of the rom itself ( whether ICS or JB) which defines everything later on like wt kernel it should use or which gapps to flash or what apps can't be downloaded from playstore due to android version incompatiblity with the app
now to the questions
1. yes it should be enough
1.1 it's preferable but not a must , there will be an impact but not that big
2. a hazy question , sounds like a bunch of questions all together , but lets try answering it (them) , there are alot of partitions but let's focus on just two for now : a) /data which is 1.07 GB and the apps installed and have their data stored on it .... b) /mnt/sdcard or similar names which is 1.7 GB and stores your media in addition to some data of the apps (mostly media data like images of viber or whatsapp) , to go pristine is to format this partition as well which as i told u b4 don't get backed up during the process so ull have to copy its folders & files urself to an external sdcard or to ur pc ....... u won't have to remake any partitions , just click format on the desired partition while ur in the recovery and it will be wiped and reformatted automatically
2.1 actually it depends on whether u click format external_sdcard or not , but i usually remove it b4 i do any format to make sure its safe and if i wanna format it then i do it on pc after making a copy of it on my pc
for a keyboard u can try Kii keyboard, it seems good to me
ive never tried pacman so u shall be the one to tell me how it work's for u
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1 & 1.1 - I feel more at ease now
2 I kinda figured that there were more partitions(by messing with cmw) but I found it odd that there were so many partitions. I guess that explains that.
I use a file explored and I'm a bit OCD'ish about where I keep my stuff, so all of media is mostly in SD card and probably backed up more times than I'd like.
If some apps may be incompatible and it's best not to restore the data from apps since it's a new ROM and may cause incompatibility I might as well just install them from scratch, at least that way I can rid of those apps I never really used but I didn't want to delete (you know, like Shazam, I rarely use it, but I want it around just in case)
My only last question seems to already be answered (which was how to repartition the phone memories). So you're saying that by doing the factory reset the partitions will not be affected (let me rephrase that, the data inside the partitions is going to be deleted but the partitions themselves will stay)?
So at this point all I need to do is go to recovery mode, select factory reset for each of the partitions, clearing them one by one, then clear cache, dalvik cache and then select "install rom from external SD card" and after that just hit "fix permissions", a reboot and I'd be good to go?
PS: I'm going to try Kii keyboard. But I feel kinda bad not using Swiftkey since I already payed for it and all... that's what you get for buying apps XD (fyi I know, or at least I'm pretty sure, I can reinstall swiftkey again at any time and continue with the paid version)
Maybe I should go back to the alphanumeric keyboards... bigger buttons pressed more times... not the best but... I miss my blackberry keyboard, I typed in that thing like a lightning.
(let me rephrase that, the data inside the partitions is going to be deleted but the partitions themselves will stay)? YES, all data will be wiped but partitions stay the same
At CWM recovery , go to advanced, clear dalvike, then back to main menu select mount and format , go thr and format the desired partitions, then back again and select install update or zip or blablah (i cant remember) , choose the location wr ur rom zip is then select it , fix permissions isnt done unless instructed by the rom dev or if u face bootloops or FC after flashing the rom
(fyi I know, or at least I'm pretty sure, I can reinstall swiftkey again at any time and continue with the paid version) lol man, u seem to b funny
alphanumeric buttons have only ONE advantage which is " u can type without looking at the screen even wn ur crossing the street "
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(let me rephrase that, the data inside the partitions is going to be deleted but the partitions themselves will stay)? YES, all data will be wiped but partitions stay the same
At CWM recovery , go to advanced, clear dalvike, then back to main menu select mount and format , go thr and format the desired partitions, then back again and select install update or zip or blablah (i cant remember) , choose the location wr ur rom zip is then select it , fix permissions isnt done unless instructed by the rom dev or if u face bootloops or FC after flashing the rom
(fyi I know, or at least I'm pretty sure, I can reinstall swiftkey again at any time and continue with the paid version) lol man, u seem to b funny
alphanumeric buttons have only ONE advantage which is " u can type without looking at the screen even wn ur crossing the street "
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I assume the desired partions would be all, in my case since I'm going pristine. I'm going to try this later this weekend. And walking in the street and tryping without looking (which even that I don't think I can do) would be a great asset, since when facing direct light you can barely see anything on the Wonder's screen. I wish the glass was anti reflexion.
I've just bought a used HTC Desire, and after installing only 4 apps (Google Play Store, ES File Explorer, Screen Off and Lock and Swiftkey) it is reporting only 4Mb of free memory. What's the best way of reclaiming memory? Would it be a custom ROM? If so, can anyone recommend something that's very slimline and robust? I don't need the HTC bloatware (including Sense) - just Google Maps, Swiftkey and a few other apps.
The phone is currently running Android 2.2.2, Baseband version 32.48.00.32U_5.11.05.14
Is rooting/ROMing this device pretty straightforward?
The best way is to create an ext partition on your sdcard and use a script (a2sd) to move apps and dalvik cache to the partition. Most custom roms support, or come with these types of scripts. You will also want to change your hboot (internal partition layout) to something more practical that allocates more space to the data partition and less to system and cache. Before doing this you will need to get s-off and a custom recovery. Post your bootloader details (turn phone off, then hold volume down + power to enter bootloader), and i will give you further advice on how to go about doing this.
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The best way is to create an ext partition on your sdcard and use a script (a2sd) to move apps and dalvik cache to the partition. Most custom roms support, or come with these types of scripts. You will also want to change your hboot (internal partition layout) to something more practical that allocates more space to the data partition and less to system and cache. Before doing this you will need to get s-off and a custom recovery. Post your bootloader details (turn phone off, then hold volume down + power to enter bootloader), and i will give you further advice on how to go about doing this.
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Thanks for your help. My hboot version is 0.93.001 - does that help?
itm said:
Thanks for your help. My hboot version is 0.93.001 - does that help?
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Yep. Your hboot is compatible with revolutionary, which is a tool used to gain s-off. S-off basically gives you the power to do stuff.
Install these drivers on your PC: http://downloads.unrevoked.com/HTCDriver3.0.0.007.exe
Enable USB debugging on the phone
Download revolutionary (create and make note of the beta key too): http://revolutionary.io/
Unzip the file, and run the executable. After thats done you should have s-off and a custom recovery installed.
Let me know when thats done, or if you need more help.
Chromium_ said:
The best way is to create an ext partition on your sdcard and use a script (a2sd) to move apps and dalvik cache to the partition. Most custom roms support, or come with these types of scripts. You will also want to change your hboot (internal partition layout) to something more practical that allocates more space to the data partition and less to system and cache. Before doing this you will need to get s-off and a custom recovery. Post your bootloader details (turn phone off, then hold volume down + power to enter bootloader), and i will give you further advice on how to go about doing this.
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Chromium_ said:
Yep. Your hboot is compatible with revolutionary, which is a tool used to gain s-off. S-off basically gives you the power to do stuff.
Install these drivers on your PC: http://downloads.unrevoked.com/HTCDriver3.0.0.007.exe
Enable USB debugging on the phone
Download revolutionary (create and make note of the beta key too): http://revolutionary.io/
Unzip the file, and run the executable. After thats done you should have s-off and a custom recovery installed.
Let me know when thats done, or if you need more help.
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OK I've run revolutionary and accepted the option to flash a new recovery (clockworkmod). How I do I get to run an a2sd script?
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OK I've run revolutionary and accepted the option to flash a new recovery (clockworkmod). How I do I get to run an a2sd script?
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First check to see if revolutionary was indeed successful (look for s-off in bootloader details).
Also I would suggest changing your recovery to a better one such as TWRP or 4ext. (clockwordmod that revolutionary flashes is pretty old and there are much better options for the desire).
After that you can pick a rom from the development section. The majority of them have some sort of a2sd script built in.
Then download the rom of your choice and flash using your recovery. Depending on the rom you choose, activating a2sd will differ. Some have it preactivated, while others will need you to run a few commands in terminal to turn it on.
Chromium_ said:
First check to see if revolutionary was indeed successful (look for s-off in bootloader details).
Also I would suggest changing your recovery to a better one such as TWRP or 4ext. (clockwordmod that revolutionary flashes is pretty old and there are much better options for the desire).
After that you can pick a rom from the development section. The majority of them have some sort of a2sd script built in.
Then download the rom of your choice and flash using your recovery. Depending on the rom you choose, activating a2sd will differ. Some have it preactivated, while others will need you to run a few commands in terminal to turn it on.
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OK it seems I now have S-Off!
Pardon my ignorance, but what's the best way of flashing TWRP recovery? Do I need to use ADB bridge?
Also, can you recommend a lightweight ROM that has a2sd built-in?
Thanks so much for your help.
itm said:
OK it seems I now have S-Off!
Pardon my ignorance, but what's the best way of flashing TWRP recovery? Do I need to use ADB bridge?
Also, can you recommend a lightweight ROM that has a2sd built-in?
Thanks so much for your help.
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Sorry forgot the links. If you want TWRP click on the Show Content button in my signature. Ive got a link there to TWRP for the desire. (instructions are in the post).
Do you want to stick with gingerbread or do you want a more recent 4+ rom?
Chromium_ said:
First check to see if revolutionary was indeed successful (look for s-off in bootloader details).
Also I would suggest changing your recovery to a better one such as TWRP or 4ext. (clockwordmod that revolutionary flashes is pretty old and there are much better options for the desire).
After that you can pick a rom from the development section. The majority of them have some sort of a2sd script built in.
Then download the rom of your choice and flash using your recovery. Depending on the rom you choose, activating a2sd will differ. Some have it preactivated, while others will need you to run a few commands in terminal to turn it on.
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Chromium_ said:
Sorry forgot the links. If you want TWRP click on the Show Content button in my signature. Ive got a link there to TWRP for the desire. (instructions are in the post).
Do you want to stick with gingerbread or do you want a more recent 4+ rom?
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Perfect - thanks.
A 4.* ROM would be nice, but would it leave me with less memory (and worse performance)?
itm said:
Perfect - thanks.
A 4.* ROM would be nice, but would it leave me with less memory (and worse performance)?
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Yes, they definitely wont be as fast as a pure AOSP gingerbread rom, but you have to make some compromises if you want the latest and greatest
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Yes, they definitely wont be as fast as a pure AOSP gingerbread rom, but you have to make some compromises if you want the latest and greatest
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TBH I'm more concerned about the memory footprint than the performance (although obviously the two are related). Would a 4.* ROM occupy alot more memory?
Incidentally I tried flashing a TWRP recovery zip from recovery mode, but kept getting "installation aborted". Any ideas??
itm said:
TBH I'm more concerned about the memory footprint than the performance (although obviously the two are related). Would a 4.* ROM occupy alot more memory?
Incidentally I tried flashing a TWRP recovery zip from recovery mode, but kept getting "installation aborted". Any ideas??
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By memory Im assuming you mean storage rather than RAM. With gingerbread roms the system size is smaller, meaning that you can use an hboot that shrinks down the system partition a lot, thus leaving you with much more space on data (where apps go). With 4+ you can still do this to some extent, but not system sizes arent as small as on gingerbread. To give you an idea, at some point while on a jellybean rom i had around 50 apps installed with room for probably about 5 more.
Im guessing the issue is due to the fact that your current recovery is too old. Your other option is to use fastboot to flash the image, or use the PB99IMG method (easier). Download the file from here, then follow the instructions here (use the PB99IMG that i just gave you, not the one from that thread with instructions).
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Yes, they definitely wont be as fast as a pure AOSP gingerbread rom, but you have to make some compromises if you want the latest and greatest
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Chromium_ said:
By memory Im assuming you mean storage rather than RAM. With gingerbread roms the system size is smaller, meaning that you can use an hboot that shrinks down the system partition a lot, thus leaving you with much more space on data (where apps go). With 4+ you can still do this to some extent, but not system sizes arent as small as on gingerbread. To give you an idea, at some point while on a jellybean rom i had around 50 apps installed with room for probably about 5 more.
Im guessing the issue is due to the fact that your current recovery is too old. Your other option is to use fastboot to flash the image, or use the PB99IMG method (easier). Download the file from here, then follow the instructions here (use the PB99IMG that i just gave you, not the one from that thread with instructions).
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Since my main problem is not being able to install the apps that I need (due to lack of storage), I guess a Gingerbread ROM would make the most sense (much as it pains me to admit it). Do you have any recommendations for a fat-free Gingerbread ROM?
itm said:
Since my main problem is not being able to install the apps that I need (due to lack of storage), I guess a Gingerbread ROM would make the most sense (much as it pains me to admit it). Do you have any recommendations for a fat-free Gingerbread ROM?
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Ok, makes sense. I would go with Mildwilds redux rom. Its themed to look somewhat modern, its got a very small system size and its got built in a2sd (you might not even need to use this since system is so small).
With this rom you can switch your hboot to oxygen r2. This will give you over 330mb for apps and app data (quite a lot compared to 147mb, what you currently have). If you think thats enough, then i would suggest not even using a2sd or creating a partition.
Let me know and ill give you further instructions.
Chromium_ said:
Ok, makes sense. I would go with Mildwilds redux rom. Its themed to look somewhat modern, its got a very small system size and its got built in a2sd (you might not even need to use this since system is so small).
With this rom you can switch your hboot to oxygen r2. This will give you over 330mb for apps and app data (quite a lot compared to 147mb, what you currently have). If you think thats enough, then i would suggest not even using a2sd or creating a partition.
Let me know and ill give you further instructions.
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OK I've now got MildWIld installed - it looks great.
I've looked at the oxygen r2 link but don't quite follow the fastboot instructions - does this require ADB installed on my PC??
itm said:
OK I've now got MildWIld installed - it looks great.
I've looked at the oxygen r2 link but don't quite follow the fastboot instructions - does this require ADB installed on my PC??
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Fastboot is the harder process. The easier way would be to use the PB99IMG method. On alpharev.nl download the PB99IMG_oxygenr2.zip file. Then rename it to PB99IMG.zip and put it on the root of your sdcard (not in any folders). Turn off the phone, boot into the bootloader and wait a few seconds. It should find the file and ask to install. Press volume up for yes, then reboot once its done.
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Ok, makes sense. I would go with Mildwilds redux rom. Its themed to look somewhat modern, its got a very small system size and its got built in a2sd (you might not even need to use this since system is so small).
With this rom you can switch your hboot to oxygen r2. This will give you over 330mb for apps and app data (quite a lot compared to 147mb, what you currently have). If you think thats enough, then i would suggest not even using a2sd or creating a partition.
Let me know and ill give you further instructions.
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Fastboot is the harder process. The easier way would be to use the PB99IMG method. On alpharev.nl download the PB99IMG_oxygenr2.zip file. Then rename it to PB99IMG.zip and put it on the root of your sdcard (not in any folders). Turn off the phone, boot into the bootloader and wait a few seconds. It should find the file and ask to install. Press volume up for yes, then reboot once its done.
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OK I now have Oxygen R2 installed and seem to have 145Mb of internal storage free :0)
The only issue I have is that the Play Store app seems to be broken - whenever I open it I get "No Connection" (as if there's no internet connectivity). I'm connected to wifi, and other apps have no problems accessing the net. I've tried rebooting, turning wifi on/off, but no luck. Any ideas??
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OK I now have Oxygen R2 installed and seem to have 145Mb of internal storage free :0)
The only issue I have is that the Play Store app seems to be broken - whenever I open it I get "No Connection" (as if there's no internet connectivity). I'm connected to wifi, and other apps have no problems accessing the net. I've tried rebooting, turning wifi on/off, but no luck. Any ideas??
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Google Maps has the same problem - no internet connection. It's as if it's just the Google apps that can't see the internet.
???
Hmmm....the plot thickens. I decided to wipe and re-flash the ROM and Gapps, but after wiping it would not let me re-flash the MildWild ROM - the flash fails. When I boot into Android now the keyboard app seems to be broken - every few seconds I get the error "the application Android keyboard has stopped unexpectedly" (I had previously installed Swiftkey - could that have had anything to do with it?).
So now I seem to have a "broken" ROM - no keyboard and no working Gapps. Any ideas for what I might try??
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Hmmm....the plot thickens. I decided to wipe and re-flash the ROM and Gapps, but after wiping it would not let me re-flash the MildWild ROM - the flash fails. When I boot into Android now the keyboard app seems to be broken - every few seconds I get the error "the application Android keyboard has stopped unexpectedly" (I had previously installed Swiftkey - could that have had anything to do with it?).
So now I seem to have a "broken" ROM - no keyboard and no working Gapps. Any ideas for what I might try??
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Wipe and reflash again. Are you still using cwm?