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I'm curious what the general consensus seems to be on WP7 users being forced to use the Zune software (as opposed to whatever they currently use on their computer, such as itunes). Do you think this creates an obstacle that may prevent some potential WP users from buying a WP7 device?
Zune software, for me, has been pretty buggy, sluggish, and problematic. The microsoft zune website only installs the 32 bit version - there's no option for the 64 bit version. I'm not sure if that's the reason for the app running so lamely on my computer and sucking up 20% of my i5 cpu.
Also, using the Zune software requires you not only to reorganize your music library, but to re-rate everything differently due to it having a completely different and limited 'ratings' system.
If Microsoft is interested in making things easy to use, adapting to their software should be as easy as possible. Zune is too big a change from the big music players currently being used by almost everyone.
Zune has been the best transition I've made in a long time. Windows media player is buggy and kinda does what it want, iOS is ram-hungry and too... Apple... i don't know how else to put it. Zune as a whole has been a clean transition and the first music player that almost seems like it knows me.
The transition hasn't been hard for me neither. But my music library is only around 7 gigs big.
My problems with the zune software are the following:
- Autoplaylists not as robust as in itunes. Cannot organize to your liking (only by some of their options).
- Autoplaylists refresh visually (they flicker every 5-6 seconds) and if you scroll down too far in a playlist, items appear as "not found" until the playlist refreshes itself and finds the files. This may sound confusing, but I'm basically saying this: Autoplaylists are very buggy.
-Uncustomizable UI (big fonts, lots of unused space, tons of marketplace links hogging up space).
-App takes up around 170mb, compared to 80mb for itunes. It also hogs your cpu (my i5 is at 15-20%, no matter what 'display' setting I have enabled)
-Cannot sync with anything but a zune or WP. Now that zune is discontinued, this software is officially only good for windows phones.
-Cannot tweak playback volume of individual songs, like you can in itunes.
-Cannot set start/end points, like you can in itunes.
-Cannot edit MANY id3 tag fields, such as comments.
-UI is sluggish compared to the basic text-based itunes UI.
-No global hotkeys - aside from next, previous, and play/pause, there are no shortcuts you can hit when the app is not in focus (such as change media player volume, fastforward, etc).
-When minimized, app toolbar flickers between song name, artist, and album. This is distracting. It should simply display the song title in the toolbar, and thats it. No blinking please.
-No minimize to notification area feature.
-Scrolling up and down too fast or too far is slow and stuttery. I've tried this on different computers that are more powerful and this is just how it is.
-The rating system.
-Disliked songs shouldn't play in a mix unless you manually click them (similarly to unchecked songs in itunes).
-Liked and 'unrated' songs are considered the two positive ratings, while dislike is the negative rating. this is weird but fine. However, if you sort songs by 'rating', it sorts Liked->Disliked->Unrated. What sense does this make?
-The 'check for updates' button doesnt work. Sends me an error. I've reinstalled the app twice now.
-Cannot show date of song, date added, etc columns in ANY of the apps views, other than the 'songs' view. Really irritating. You cant change the order of columns in anything other than 'song' view as well.
This probably isn't the place for this, but thought I'd flesh out why Zune isn't ready to be a proprietary app for a leading smartphone. Zune fans may put up with this, the same way itunes fans put up with itunes on Windows. But the masses won't.
Itunes works great on macs. Zune should work great on Windows. Instead, it feels like I'm using a flash app on a website.
i was using zune before i bought my phone, enough said
I don't even need half of the things op has men..tioned
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And I don't need any cable sync.. I am happy with cloud. Period.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1106841
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I am using this ****ty app so can't really post long but I will try to answer some of your questions...
I am guessing you are not a Zune pass user... Cosif u use zunepass you will never feel the need to edit id3 tags.
And the concept behind loving or disliking a track is to make ur personalized picks more accurate... The more tracks u like, more accurate picks section become...
UI is visually based and not font based... Gone is ur need to edit fonts... UI is designed so that u browse collection by album ar
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I never said I'm against the rating system. I'm saying its got only 3 levels whereas a normal rating system has 6 (the 5-star rating system).
Also, I edit IDv3 tags for songs I already have because the Zune software is only able to sort auto playlists by idv3 tag data.
This will be the case for other people who are importing their entire library from itunes/winamp/whatever to Zune.
That is the whole purpose of the topic. People moving OVER to zune.
Also, the pass is not an option for everyone depending on where you live. Again, this is not itunse - Zune has no right demanding proprietary status imo. It's not up to the task, especially for users outside of the US
Browse albums by their art covers...
You can arrange songs/albums/artists alphabetical or by date added added... There com the date you were asking for... I don't know if it shows exact date or not.. But if you select arrange by date added.. Than your most recently downloaded album is on top...
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To you above 4 replies, about the 'sorting'.
This is basic sorting that has been around for forever. Sorting by date in album view is not new, nor not at all what I was talking about. Perhaps reread the post so you're more informed with what I was saying. That would be a good way to go about responding to a topic
Does anyone with some experience with other music management apps have anything to say?
I personally find it brilliant, looks really cool as well with a nice easy UI e.g. big chunky text and its really smooth.
I like the way on the now playing screen you have a giant wallpaper of your albums etc.
Half of those things in that big list someone mentioned sound utterly pointless to me, I mean no global hot keys? Who really needs that. I thought thats what a mouse is for.
I also use itunes on my pc as I have an iPad but I hate the interface
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I once had over 70g of nicely organized music UNTIL I got a 20g Zune mp3 player and was forced to use the Zune software...now I've got 120g of mixed up crap.
Zune's a piece of junk, I prefer to use MediaMonkey.
Why you need the 70g of music stored on your PC when you have it all nicely organized on zunepass cloud system for you and you can get it anytime you want and delete it back again...
I don't think Zune desktop is a music collectors device... Its an application to play music, not store and organize your music collection..
I threw away my 60GB of old tiesto collection once I found zunepass... It already has a better better music collection than why I had collected from torrents...
Subscribe to zunepass... And you will see that you are spending more time in listening to music than organizing and collecting it.
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Not sure I don't mind zune but my issue is not being able to sync with Outlook. I hate the cloud and would perfer to keep my contacts and calender info on my computer not out in the air for any hacker to find on microsoft. I use it because I wanted to upgrade to WP7. If there was a way to sync with Outlook(not Outlook Connector) I would.
Purple11 said:
Why you need the 70g of music stored on your PC when you have it all nicely organized on zunepass cloud system for you and you can get it anytime you want and delete it back again...
I don't think Zune desktop is a music collectors device... Its an application to play music, not store and organize your music collection..
I threw away my 60GB of old tiesto collection once I found zunepass... It already has a better better music collection than why I had collected from torrents...
Subscribe to zunepass... And you will see that you are spending more time in listening to music than organizing and collecting it.
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1. zunepass isnt worldwide.
2. if it is proprietary, then it MUST be up to the task of managing your music library, since it will be replacing itunes, wmp, winamp, and so forth.
3. Cloud requires constant data connection. Again, you're missing the point and living in a bubble.
This proprietary software doesn't have any business being proprietary. It's a great piece of software but it is not up to the task of being run worldwide on people's computers with full support and features.
guyver76 said:
Not sure I don't mind zune but my issue is not being able to sync with Outlook. I hate the cloud and would perfer to keep my contacts and calender info on my computer not out in the air for any hacker to find on microsoft. I use it because I wanted to upgrade to WP7. If there was a way to sync with Outlook(not Outlook Connector) I would.
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even so, email by defintion is cloud. when you email someone their contact and email info is whittled away to the cloud. The cloud is just a fancy term for how modern computers work anyways. So if you're worried about hackers on MS servers, you'd best not use the internet to communicate as any sort of data set over the internet can be intercepted.
well... you DONT have to use it.
i got a windows phone and sometimes i use it but usually i use jetaudio, the only reason for using Zune software for Windows Phone its for updating windows phone AND drag and drop music i want in my windows phone. after that i only use it because i want to.
i use it because its nice, it got a nice interface, and of course its not like you have to use everything from it, like, i use mp3tag to fix some music tag i got. but still you could find tag info from internet with Zune.
but only because you have Windows Phone, automatically you cant use some other player. its only for synching and updating not for playing music or fix tags if you don't like it.
If you want your mp3 player to be synched to your computer, with the same playlists and everything, you have to use the same program. WP doesn't allow you to sync with your winamp playlists or itunes playlists or so forth.
Yes, you could just plop files into your WP in an unorganized fashion if you like. Clearly that isn't the point of view of this thread. Come on now
Smart Playlists in Zune kind of suck compared to iTunes
I'm wondering if ICS does anything different with regards to multitasking and efficient managing process threads.
Will I ever be able to hear youtube in the background while switching to something else??? This is one of the most important questions in the known universe!!!
Techincally, it's possible.
Realistically, the youtube team is never going to do it.
JCopernicus said:
Techincally, it's possible.
Realistically, the youtube team is never going to do it.
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Something I forgot to add. Couldn't the king multitasker, webOS, do this? I've seen it play videos (can't explicitly remember Youtube) in the background. But I don't remember if it had sound.
Flash ran in the background on webOS, because the flash plug in they developed allowed it to.
As far as I know on android the flash plug in for the browser will suspend when the browser is no longer the foreground activity.
The Android multitasking model doesn't stop applications from using all available CPU power in background (altho their process priorities will be lowered). A sensible developer would make their CPU heavy apps to cease processing when backgrounded. I figure Youtube will be among them. If you want to run YT in background to listen to music, I'd suggest using some other streaming service. YT will keep your CPU busier with video decoding, even if offscreen.
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The Android multitasking model doesn't stop applications from using all available CPU power in background (altho their process priorities will be lowered). A sensible developer would make their CPU heavy apps to cease processing when backgrounded. I figure Youtube will be among them. If you want to run YT in background to listen to music, I'd suggest using some other streaming service. YT will keep your CPU busier with video decoding, even if offscreen.
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This is correct. The reason you cannot play YouTube in the background is not because Android cannot do it, it is because the YouTube app is designed to stop when it is not in the foreground, on purpose. Sorry dude!
If there was a crying icon, I'd use it.
I understand though and it's perfectly reasonable. Part of me wants a lean device in my pocket. Part of me simply wants a small computer.
Maybe quad core improvements will help... Or the increased multitasking and encoding will just murder the battery while it ignores the battery's scream for mercy...
well, for the most part, this doesn't make sense to have full speed background processing when you move the app to the background. For the large majority of people, when they are watching YouTube and hit the home key, they want their YouTube video to stop playing.
As stated above, any smart dev will make their app slow down or pause in the background as to not eat up CPU/RAM and get killed off by the Android system itself.
OP, there are a lot of good music streaming options that don't require a video to be attached to them that just drains your phone.
martonikaj said:
For the large majority of people, when they are watching YouTube and hit the home key, they want their YouTube video to stop playing.
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I dont know about that anymore, sometimes you just want to find a song quickly and play it. I wouldnt it mind playing the song in the background via youtube, or just listen to something else.
Cleargrey said:
Maybe quad core improvements will help...
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More cores won't magically drop the power requirements of a certain task.
SysAdmNj said:
I dont know about that anymore, sometimes you just want to find a song quickly and play it. I wouldnt it mind playing the song in the background via youtube, or just listen to something else.
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Most people don't use Youtube for music and it's not intended for it either so don't expect it to happen unless someone builds an alternative client for it. There are better services for discovering music.
SysAdmNj said:
I dont know about that anymore, sometimes you just want to find a song quickly and play it. I wouldnt it mind playing the song in the background via youtube, or just listen to something else.
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I used to do this all the time to, to share an artist or a song with people. However, I've found that lately YouTube has been one of the worse places to go to try and find music. Majority of the results end up being covers or live cell phone captures or other useless junk. I'm sure there's a better solution out there, just haven't found it myself yet. =-/
Spotify...!
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Spotify...!
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Indeed. If they are looking for a free alternative that won't cut it though since it won't allow mobile streaming. Only Premium does that. Still, I could share some invites if anyone wants to try it out free.
ICS Multitasking
I know the multitasking is similar to Honeycomb, however with the guy from WebOS, I wonder if we fling an application from left to right, will it kill the app like in WebOS?
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Yep, swiping an app left or right from the multitasking screen will close the app.
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Yep, swiping an app left or right from the multitasking screen will close the app.
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Actually, my understanding is that it only hides it from the multitasking view (doesn't kill the app). Android is pretty well built on not needing any kind of "task killing" from the user or from task manager apps. I don't see why they'd start now.
Since we have a couple ppl in the forum who have the Galaxy Nexus I'd like to see what their findings are.
I have one... And it just hides the app.
michael7795 said:
I have one... And it just hides the app.
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something deep down inside me always wants to close unused apps.
POQbum said:
something deep down inside me always wants to close unused apps.
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Don't worry. They're not bogging down the system. Android handles it!
Have you guys seen the youtube of Samsung Galaxy 3....Man I love the video player capability of minimizing while you can still type sms while watching the movie. I think it's an awesome idea. Is there any video app can do that?? Just cant believe HTC have not even include any video app other than the CRAPPY useless HTC watch.
There you go my friend
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...tickit&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDNd
You can use different skins for the player too - mac one looks very polished.
Also blow your mates away by having two videos open at the same time whilst browsing the net - blinkin awesome
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There you go my friend
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...tickit&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDNd
You can use different skins for the player too - mac one looks very polished.
Also blow your mates away by having two videos open at the same time whilst browsing the net - blinkin awesome
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Nice.....but really bad cant make it full screen again???? you can only resize but cant make it full screen again. Think the dev should implement this feature.
Also very much a gimmick to me. Like Facetime. Or Siri. Will rarely ever be used outside of the 1st week/month, trust me
When I was watching unpacking galaxy then been thinking what a stupid idea is a watch movie and in the same moment writing sms, now I see people like that.
That seems so pointless and gimmicky. All touchscreen apps (every app you would download/use) is designed to use the entire screen. With a small video playing on the screen you are going to blocking at least SOME elements of the UI, in many cases rendering the app of the moment useless.
The S3 is a vomitted-up mix of software gimmicks and bad industrial design. The US versions are nothing more than a S2 with an LTE radio. Thanks, but no thanks.
I have a problem with almost any video on hox including youtube. So far I tried x264 and divx. It also happens in youtube app... It feels like the cpu isn't catching up... Like its always on low clock speed. Any idea how to fix it?
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Btw, what are the advantages and disadvantages of putting vanilla android on hox instead of the factory sense version? I'm pretty new in android world so i'm still catching things up...
Thanks!
maybe the cores really are not picking up... install CPU Stats or Micro CPU Monitor from Play Store so you can check your CPU while playing movies.
If there are problems with the cores, you should check your warrenty
Btw. Maybe another process is using the cores, so movies are stuttering.
Already had micro cpu. Thete is only one core active while playing video or watching youtube. And if it gets to 100% the second core won't activate. However, while playing games or using chrome, multiple cores are normally activated.
CroGriz said:
I have a problem with almost any video on hox including youtube. So far I tried x264 and divx. It also happens in youtube app... It feels like the cpu isn't catching up... Like its always on low clock speed. Any idea how to fix it?
4.0.4 with sense (unrooted)
Btw, what are the advantages and disadvantages of putting vanilla android on hox instead of the factory sense version? I'm pretty new in android world so i'm still catching things up...
Thanks!
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Remove any flv files if you have them from your phone...
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Remove any flv files if you have them from your phone...
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I don't have any.
Hi!
I've been using Android for three years but not once have I encountered a problem like this...
So basically all the music I throw at the device(internet streams like YouTube and GrooveShark) are playing back at a faster rate than they should be. GrooveShark is the worst, it plays back at like 10x speed, YouTube(YT for TV and uListen) play the music and videos much slower, like 120% speed, but still noticably faster than it does on other devices.
When I look at the timestamp(the seek bar or whatever) I can see that the seconds pass much faster than they should.
I have no idea what's going on. Currently running CM10 but also occurs on stock. OUYA is not overclocked and changing the processor settings doesn't fix anything...
Thanks if someone can help.
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That's a bug in cm10. It makes me sad.
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So it is common. That sucks. But then again so does the official firmware... Hopefully there'll be a fix some day.
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