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Not brillient news from O2!

Firstly let me say these are just some of the opinions of staff I've spoken too at 3 O2 shops in my area.
Basically, my upgrade is due next week and I've been looking forward to the new WP7 and the HD7 although I now know the transition will be painful. I wanted to have a play before hand so popped into their shops. I went to 3 because the first 2 hadn't had any hand sets delivered - Only some posters and plastic handsets. They also had next to no knowledge of the phones and pretty much shrugged their shoulders about it.
The third shop had a demo only......which stopped working altogether yesterday. They quoted some dead pixels and then it just gave up. No other explanation given
None of the shops know when they will actually receive any stock.
They all were suggesting I go for the new Blackberry (won't touch these) or an Android phone. Only one lady suggested a iPhone (again not going there).
One guy suggested that this may be a complete flop and we had an interesting conversation as to why he thought so, some of his comments I thought were total gash but he had a point on others. He mentioned that some of the apps on the market place were crashing the device (has anyone any knowledge of this?), or slow (already seeing comments about this on here). To be fair, he was the only one who knew any details about the phone. He suggested that the real release will be after the first update (so Jan), and that at the moment this release was considered to be a real world testing phase.
So none of this is looking promising for the moment. I'm desperate for a new phone - my X1i is pretty long in the tooth now. I'm already installing SBS with Exchange on one of my machines so I don't have to keep my contact and calender items on Live (testing of using the connector is showing loss of data, categories and irregularities which I can't explain or make no sense).
Just thought I'd pass this on.

So basically they have no win phomes and want to sell you something else to make some commission. Why does anyone listen to these salespeople?
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N8ter said:
So basically they have no win phomes and want to sell you something else to make some commission. Why does anyone listen to these salespeople?
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Basically - yes. I get the impression that they don't know anything about the phone or OS in the first place to push a sale even if they had the stock.
To be fair, I'll be getting mine via O2 retentions anyway.

Unless the CLR is broken or the Silverlight base library is buggy as hell in the PInvoke parts that interact with the low level system, I really doubt that the apps will crash the phone.

Tom Servo said:
Unless the CLR is broken or the Silverlight base library is buggy as hell in the PInvoke parts that interact with the low level system, I really doubt that the apps will crash the phone.
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there have been
some data programs that have a lot of data from rss feeds aren't nearly as smooth as microsoft software (eg email sms and the like)
I don't think its an issue that a quick ota (january) will fix however so in that I agree with the CS rep.

The OS is new and so a few bugs are to be expected. I think once they release the update in Jan it will be much better.
I don't think that they can think it will be a flop as it hasn't even been released in the US and thats where M$ will probably do most of its advertising.

domineus said:
there have been
some data programs that have a lot of data from rss feeds aren't nearly as smooth as microsoft software (eg email sms and the like)
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That means nothing without the source code available. The applications could for instance do not make use of threading to mitigate these issues, maybe overload various controls with data instead of using on-demand loading (and unloading), etc blah blah.

My experience with o2 was a bit better. Well the other half went into one of the Guildford stores to pick up two phones for us before she went into work. There were already some people buying some and she overheard one of the staff members say after she brought those they’d have four left, but then the guy she was dealing with said it was the last one, obviously not wanting to shift two of them on PAYG. So I made my own way into Aldershot to pick one up, and the staff in there seemed pretty enthusiastic about the HD7 and actually knew a bit about them. Was somewhat impressed. I'd be more impressed if they offered me a cradle instead of a case though.
As for the crashing applications, as already said they don't crash the phone, it just falls back to the Start screen. The one that got a bit of attention was the Xbox Live Extras application (which lets you send messages, customise your avatar etc) doesn't seem to be working on HTC phones, it was pulled off the Marketplace yesterday and a fix is going through certification now and should be up in a few days.
Some 3rd party applications aren't as smooth as the Microsoft stuff, you can tell the difference between them but they aren't what I would call slow. Load times weren't as bad as I was expecting for the games either.

I'm yet to find a member of staff in any phone shop that heard of windows phone 7
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Just got one. Installed all free apps on market place just to test. Did not yet encounter any problems except one, how do you activesync it to outlook?!?!?!?!?!

I on the other hand had a good experience from O2 and the HD7 with Win Phone 7.
The Basingstoke store had a working demo and the sales guy was very enthuastic about the phone and demo'd it and let me play with the phone for about 15 minutes. The experience was very good of WP7 and now really keen to have it....either on my HD2 or to get a HD7.
I expect it not to be perfect, but from other articles and the sales guy the WP7 OS will get updates regulary which presumably will fix bugs, just like a home OS.
So...HD2 and wait.....or sell HD2 and get HD7???

domineus said:
there have been
some data programs that have a lot of data from rss feeds aren't nearly as smooth as microsoft software (eg email sms and the like)
I don't think its an issue that a quick ota (january) will fix however so in that I agree with the CS rep.
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Which is very likely down to a badly written app and has nothing to do with Microsoft (other than the fact they allowed a sub-par app onto the marketplace).
lee-bowman said:
So...HD2 and wait.....or sell HD2 and get HD7???
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Unless you really want a HD7 I would stick it out and see if you can get the 16GB Omnia 7 instead. The screen is that much better even if it is slightly smaller, as is the camera. The HD7 feels like a cheap knockoff in comparison. The only reason I got the HD7 was 8GB on the Samsung, but will definitely swap it out if it turns out I can get my hands on the 16GB version.

ruscik said:
Just got one. Installed all free apps on market place just to test. Did not yet encounter any problems except one, how do you activesync it to outlook?!?!?!?!?!
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It doesn't. Exchange ActiveSync only.
Mind you even Hotmail can almost replicate the feature set of Exchange 2003 nowadays, all it's lacking is Tasks (not supported on WP7) and the fancy meeting arangement stuff.

I would like to also share my story I went to my local town and the only shop to have had any wp7 handsets was o2 but had sold out only 15 mins after opening, Orange said demand was so high only big stores had any others said due sometime thus month. I want back to o2 store and they phoned around and reserved one in another store got it no problem but was last one they had. I think everyone underestimated the os and didn't have the stock to cover demand so I'm not worried about popularity. The sales ppl will say anything to sell what they have in stock. Apps rock esp the games i recomed harvest and twin blades i have been playing for hours, and that's bearing in mind i have also just bought f1 2010 for my Xbox. Don't get put off phone around you will be glad you did

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It doesn't. Exchange ActiveSync only.
Mind you even Hotmail can almost replicate the feature set of Exchange 2003 nowadays, all it's lacking is Tasks (not supported on WP7) and the fancy meeting arangement stuff.
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As far as I am aware you can active sync via exchange with hotmail and Gmail but with Gmail I know you can sync outlook with Google calender and thus ph7 its a bit of a long workaround but it works

I rang around a few O2 stores around the south of Ireland on Wednesday (the day before the release) to check availability, and 3 out of 4 staff had no idea what I was talking about (even in one or two larger stores).
The last store I rang knew exactly what I was talking about, checked their system, saw that they had one handset due in in the morning, and reserved it for me. Champion.
I was quite nervous about abandoning WM 6.5 for WP7, but after a few days of use I'm really happy. It does all the basics incredibly well (SMS, calls, calendar, email). Web browsing is a pleasure. Everything is fast and it works just as it should.
There is nowhere near the level of customisation that regular 6.5 fanboys would be used to, so if you are expecting to be able to change SMS font size, calendar notification ringtones etc etc then you will be disappointed. The approach here is "Keep It Simple, Stupid" and it works really well. You've just got to go with the flow.
All I'm really waiting for now is a decent GPS Navigation app (along the lines of iGo) and a replacement for SPB Wallet (I believe eWallet is en route shortly) and I'll be a happy camper.
Oh and I've had a crash just the once so far, when I launched the Seesmic app for the first time. The screen locked up and the device rebooted itself. Hasn't happened since, hopefully won't happen too often!

They all know about it here in Birmingham city center!
(In carrier shops... Phones4U and Carphone Warehouse don't get the phones yet)
They've had Windows Phone reps ushering people around in the street.
All O2 shops have HD7 demo units about if you ask, or even on custom displays.
Orange shops have HTC Mozart and Omnia 7.
(But reluctant to get Omnia out now as they seem to be investing a lot of Advertising in the Mozart... went to another shop and made friends with a guy and got one!)
Even Vodafone shop has the HTC Trophy banging about and leaflets for it etc!

daSmirnov said:
It doesn't. Exchange ActiveSync only.
Mind you even Hotmail can almost replicate the feature set of Exchange 2003 nowadays, all it's lacking is Tasks (not supported on WP7) and the fancy meeting arangement stuff.
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lumpaywk said:
As far as I am aware you can active sync via exchange with hotmail and Gmail but with Gmail I know you can sync outlook with Google calender and thus ph7 its a bit of a long workaround but it works
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Sorry but none of that is a proper solution.
If you sync your outlook contacts with hotmail you loose a lot of data that is normally stored in them, pictures, certain type of contact detail that hotmail does not support.
That is minor however the first live ID you use on the phone needs to be the actual one as that is the live ID that will be used with zune, xbox live and all other apps. No live ID no phone.
AKA my outlook contacts get mixed with my messenger contacts.
Only way around it is to open another hotmail account.
On top of that all contacts are erased if you delete your hotmail profile created on the phone. It has to stay there working. I am not comfortable with having all my contacts in hotmail that is regulary hacked (about every 2 months).
TBH they dropped the bomb there and many other places.
- You cannot transfer files via bluetooth atleast I can not from my laptop, home PC and HD2.
- There is no widgets for main screen to enable/disable wifi/bluetooth on the main screen.
- In no settings for apps that use data (some apps do not even have settings) there is an option to not use data when roaming, this is a major issue as phone constantly goes to internet. Only option is to disable manually all sync, still it will not stop it going off if you click on a app. ---- Partially solved. There is a option insttings to disable all data connections when roaming. So you can stop it all together but no per application option which is very annoying as I always have weather and location enabled to roam. I also check e-mail. Now I will not be able to do that and if I do switch it back on all apps will try o connect.
- There is no GPS software at all
- HTC said there is digital compass ... where?
- No google maps just bing maps
- You can not assign other search providers for now so you stuck with bing.
- You can not change background of the main screen, only option is white or
black
- Do not even start me with the zune music interface and how you have to copy that music
- There is no internet sharing option not even bluetooth as it does not show up when connected to my PC.

you know, it really surprises me at the level of douche-baggery that occurs in these forums, especially the WP7. yes, a lot of features that were previously available either officially or through tweaks for wm 6.5 are gone and pound for pound, the features don't stack up against iOS or android.
but if you're interested in getting a WP7 phone you SHOULD be aware by now of these inherent drawbacks so stop complaining and go elsewhere if you're not satisfied. no one is making you buy these phones. i'm sure most of the bugs will be addressed shortly in ver 1.1 or 2.0. i mean, android didn't really step into its own until 2.0 and neither did iOS.
and i'm saying this even as an iphone 4 user

littleasian said:
you know, it really surprises me at the level of douche-baggery that occurs in these forums, especially the WP7. yes, a lot of features that were previously available either officially or through tweaks for wm 6.5 are gone and pound for pound, the features don't stack up against iOS or android.
but if you're interested in getting a WP7 phone you SHOULD be aware by now of these inherent drawbacks so stop complaining and go elsewhere if you're not satisfied. no one is making you buy these phones. i'm sure most of the bugs will be addressed shortly in ver 1.1 or 2.0. i mean, android didn't really step into its own until 2.0 and neither did iOS.
and i'm saying this even as an iphone 4 user
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Oh I am sorry. I been using HTC's for ages since first o2 one which was just XDA. I been waiting for WP7 as 6.5 was just not it, hardware was there but OS was still acting same slow.
No where have I seen that in WP7 bluetooth will only be for headphones? MS has year of experience in mobile phones basics should have been covered, then again Vista.
I can understand lack of google maps but stuck to bing, they just lost similar case and had to remove IE from win7 replacing it with selection window for other browsers and now this?
Why activesync was removed, why no option to change background they have reverted with WP7 to first Android. WP7 is to be the next thing in long term and not going backwards like they did. Even Android and Iphone can sync with outlook.
It is like getting a sports car with no wheels, all basics are there for great product but it just does not work remotely as good as any other car with wheels.
BTW microsoft removed those functions, they did think about it before doing it (granted assigned wrong people) so it will not be corrected officially for some time. Only possible rescue is regeditor for WP7 and ability to enable services somehow.

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Reading stories like this makes me glad mine is off.
Errant Data Usage

glad i have a 1.5GB plan. though i never see it chew up much. but aye, it's a good course to make MS do another update if they don't fix it with the feb patch.

I have a suspicion that this is just another thing the press have jumped on to attack Microsoft. I don't think it is a large scale issue or we would have heard about it before now in these forums.

well to be honest it has been noted around here in a few threads before, and most of us believe it comes from the feedback system in the phone. i think just having it so that it only sends data when connected to wifi will automatically resolve it.
but aye, wait for MS to do their investigations. i'm sure if they just "bing" it, they'll find our posts and say that is their solution as well

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I have a suspicion that this is just another thing the press have jumped on to attack Microsoft. I don't think it is a large scale issue or we would have heard about it before now in these forums.
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A lot of people report high battery consumption with WP7 devices. This could be the reason.

randude said:
I have a suspicion that this is just another thing the press have jumped on to attack Microsoft. I don't think it is a large scale issue or we would have heard about it before now in these forums.
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MS has acknowledged the fact and looking into the resolution, so I don't think it is some mumbo-jumbo.

The Gate Keeper said:
well to be honest it has been noted around here in a few threads before, and most of us believe it comes from the feedback system in the phone. i think just having it so that it only sends data when connected to wifi will automatically resolve it.
but aye, wait for MS to do their investigations. i'm sure if they just "bing" it, they'll find our posts and say that is their solution as well
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This is a workaround and not a solution, I am pretty sure they want to solve it rather than telling the users to disable the feature.

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This is a workaround and not a solution, I am pretty sure they want to solve it rather than telling the users to disable the feature.
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yea i agree. but i'm just saying that MS could propose it as a temporary work around if it is indeed the cause of the issue, until they fix it in an update.

I have a suspicion this is a 3rd party app issue, as it's not everyone who's having this problem... Could still be the OS, of course.

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I have a suspicion this is a 3rd party app issue, as it's not everyone who's having this problem... Could still be the OS, of course.
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Uncertain about everyone having the issue. In all likelihood it could well be a majority. How would anyone know how much data they were using unless they studied the statement or had a monitor installed? Most people might not be aware of it at all and unconcerned.

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Uncertain about everyone having the issue. In all likelihood it could well be a majority. How would anyone know how much data they were using unless they studied the statement or had a monitor installed? Most people might not be aware of it at all and unconcerned.
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Most people have limited cap on 3G data, so it's not that difficult to realize whether your phone is abusing your monthly plan or not.
Actually, from the comments at engadget and other blogs, it does seem that the vast majority of users are not affected by the issue. And I've never heard a single one in Italy affected as well. So it maybe a carrier-specific problem, or a 3rd party app available on certain markets/networks.
Or there might not be an issue at all, the high data consumption being just caused by applications running under the lockscreen in standby (so that wifi goes off and 3g kicks in).

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Uncertain about everyone having the issue. In all likelihood it could well be a majority. How would anyone know how much data they were using unless they studied the statement or had a monitor installed? Most people might not be aware of it at all and unconcerned.
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True... I know I'm ok because I have checked my online statement thing and I've only used a couple of MB so far this month.

Feedback Function? i dont think so.......
One thing that has NEVER been talked about is another new function.......
Location!
You all know that via windowslive we can locate our phones, erase them, block them ect.
Well this function is on by default.
I guess to find out where it is, (its regularly saving its current location on windows live) It has to send some kind of info to Microsoft.
Now i dont think to save location info would need Mbs of data, but who knows?
Since the feedback option is (proven? because deactivated by some? anybody?) not the problem, and the find my phone service is not mentioned, i would look into that........

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I guess to find out where it is, (its regularly saving its current location on windows live) It has to send some kind of info to Microsoft.
Now i dont think to save location info would need Mbs of data, but who knows?
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That depends how often it's sending location info, and whether it's using AGPS. I don't know the details... Mine is turned off anyway.

SPVlover said:
One thing that has NEVER been talked about is another new function.......
Location!
You all know that via windowslive we can locate our phones, erase them, block them ect.
Well this function is on by default.
I guess to find out where it is, (its regularly saving its current location on windows live) It has to send some kind of info to Microsoft.
Now i dont think to save location info would need Mbs of data, but who knows?
Since the feedback option is (proven? because deactivated by some? anybody?) not the problem, and the find my phone service is not mentioned, i would look into that........
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Location is switched on on my phone and I haven't noticed any large data usage.

I am not getting extra data usage when I'm not using my phone it's only about 5k every now and then when it checks email but Saturday I was at the NEC and used IE a lot and wow it ate data!!! I used nearly 30mb just on general surfing, my old Blackberry Storm 2 on the same type of use would have been about 5mb!!!! so why is the phone using so much data when I was just surfing?

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I am not getting extra data usage when I'm not using my phone it's only about 5k every now and then when it checks email but Saturday I was at the NEC and used IE a lot and wow it ate data!!! I used nearly 30mb just on general surfing, my old Blackberry Storm 2 on the same type of use would have been about 5mb!!!! so why is the phone using so much data when I was just surfing?
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Do you have it on mobile viewing, or desktop viewing? Remember that other phones searched from Google used to limit the viewing for mobile devices. Google would reformat them. Bing doesn't do that, especially if you have it browse as if you're using a desktop.
I have location services on all the time, as well as 3G. The phone uses probably 5MB/day along with my emails, and some MSN. Location services is not the problem, and I lock and find my phone everyday to make sure it's working Yes, I'm over protective.
It's a 3rd party app or feedback.

I've had all location services and features turned on except Feedback since October and have barely been using 50MB a month, which includes downloading games and Apps from Marketplace.
Could be the feedback feature i suppose, i've recently turned mine on but disabled the option to send via GPRS so it won't make a difference i guess.

I've had all location services and features turned on except Feedback since October and have barely been using 50MB a month, which includes downloading a couple of games and Apps from Marketplace.
Could be the feedback feature i suppose, i've recently turned mine on but disabled the option to send via GPRS so it won't make a difference i guess.

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Do you have it on mobile viewing, or desktop viewing? Remember that other phones searched from Google used to limit the viewing for mobile devices. Google would reformat them. Bing doesn't do that, especially if you have it browse as if you're using a desktop.
I have location services on all the time, as well as 3G. The phone uses probably 5MB/day along with my emails, and some MSN. Location services is not the problem, and I lock and find my phone everyday to make sure it's working Yes, I'm over protective.
It's a 3rd party app or feedback.
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Yes I have it in desktop view do you think that could be it?

WP7 smooth but slow?

I've been using all kind of apps in my WP7, and I noticed this:
Using 2G/Edge connection, all apps are extremely slow. And much more susceptible to force closes;
Comparing to Android and iPhones, both using the same Edge network, WP7 is much worse handling with this kind of connection then iPhone or Android is. I don't know if the problem is the App, or the whole system. But open the Facebook app for Android and open the Facebook app for WP7. It takes forever using edge. And the app is laggy. But this I think it's not really WP7 fault.
The same with Twitter. It takes about 3~4 the time the iPhone takes to refresh timeline. (Yes, I removed from background before open it in iPhone)
Using 3G or Wifi it gets a lot better, still, it is slower then other OSes.
And I'll not even mention the browser. No match for iOS, tough it is sexy as it is.
The problem is, every single app that I've compared between WP7 and Android or iOS, is a lot slower and laggy. I thought that WP7 was meant to be smooth.
Have anyone else noticed this issue?

To truly compare apps on one OS versus another, you need to have both phones on the same Wifi network, to eliminate carrier speed issues.
And preferably have the Nodo update as well, to be fair.

Yeah, you're wrong about the browser. I'm not sure what 'tests' you ran, but wp7's IE is like an F1 racing car. At least for me it is. Fastest thing I've ever seen on a device.
Also, wp7 is probably built to run on 3G, so using old tech like 2G/Edge is probly the reason. Unless that's complete bunk I dunno, I'm just guessing.
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But I'll agree with you on the 3rd party apps. They're all slow and choppy for some reason. Even something as official as The Weather Channel. Not sure why.

I ran the test in the same carrier, using 2G. One side of another.
Then I tested the browser using the same wifi.
The speed is quite close. But you can see the difference (I'M NOT SAYING IE IS SLOW!).
I don't have NoDo yet, dying for it, btw. But if anyone with NoDo can try it out, it would be great.
Just try using the same app with diferent devices (such as Android or iPhone) in the same wifi network.
Even if the time to load is close, the app is laggy; cannot deny.
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Yes, 2G is old tech. But the most part of the time I don't need 3G speed. But I need my battery to survive throughout the day.

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Yes, 2G is old tech. But the most part of the time I don't need 3G speed. But I need my battery to survive throughout the day.
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I have motweets and all locations services running right now on my phone and this has been the case for a while. I get through a full day no prob without charging.
I have a HD7 with the smallest battery and the biggest screen.
Battery problems are non-existent on WP7 IMO if even I can make it through the day. And I stay on 3G

Well, that is a problem to me. I go work at 07 a.m. and I just go back home at 11:30 p.m.
Using 3G all the time, when I get home my battery is crying out. With 2G I got about 25% more battery than I would using 3G.
And I turned the push to my e-mail off.

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The speed is quite close. But you can see the difference (I'M NOT SAYING IE IS SLOW!)
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I respectfully disagree that it's slower, but just glad to see you didn't mean it's slow in general. Cause for some reason I've seen that said a couple times and it's just untrue.

mikeeam said:
Well, that is a problem to me. I go work at 07 a.m. and I just go back home at 11:30 p.m.
Using 3G all the time, when I get home my battery is crying out. With 2G I got about 25% more battery than I would using 3G.
And I turned the push to my e-mail off.
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I'm using an LG Quantum. Granted they're rated high on the battery scale, but I too can leave home at 8:45, and get home at 7, and then casually use it in the evening, with rarely needing to charge.

Well, that may depend on sites and everything. But it's not a problem at all.
The laggy apps; this is a problem.
Even with 3G, it's clearly slow. Just on 3rd party apps, of course.
Maybe they are not coding it right?

mikeeam said:
Well, that may depend on sites and everything. But it's not a problem at all.
The laggy apps; this is a problem.
Even with 3G, it's clearly slow. Just on 3rd party apps, of course.
Maybe they are not coding it right?
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That's what I heard, that the developers aren't coding it properly. Cause look at the native apps; smooth as silk.

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That's what I heard, that the developers aren't coding it properly. Cause look at the native apps; smooth as silk.
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Apples to oranges. Or more accurately, C++ to Silverlight on the desktop. 3rd party apps will always be at a disadvantage due to the .NET framework. The size of that disadvantage depends on how well MS optimizes the runtime environment on WP7. So far they haven't done a great job.
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I did countless speed tests between my Samsung Focus and my fathers iPhone 4 before I returned my Focus. The Focus was much quicker at setting up calendar stuff and taking pictures, but I did find that the iPhone browser was a bit faster on most occasions. I'm interested in seeing how much faster it becomes with IE9 though.
Regarding battery life I found myself not making it through the day. I heard mixed reports about the Focus's battery life, but I didn't like it to much. I would play Bye Bye Brain for a little bit (15-25 minutes) and drop 15-20% in battery.

Erik, what do you think about 3rd party apps? Just want to know toughts about someone that is comparing iPhone 4 with WP7, like me.
Do you tested Facebook app?

i did some tests and 2g/edge is working quite well for me. I checked emails, opened news websites (like globo.com with lots of pictures) and tried with twitter app. No more than short seconds to load everything. Ill get an iphone4 tomorrow for testing and see the difference. My network provider is very unstable. Sometimes i make bandwidth tests on my wp7 and i get speeds as high as 800-1000kbps and sometimes only 150-250kbps.

mikeeam said:
Well, that is a problem to me. I go work at 07 a.m. and I just go back home at 11:30 p.m.
Using 3G all the time, when I get home my battery is crying out. With 2G I got about 25% more battery than I would using 3G.
And I turned the push to my e-mail off.
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You can't charge your phone at work for an hour???
I don't even try to use edge on usa t-mobile. It is painfully slow no matter the OS (android, wp7, winmo), usually about 50-60kbps. I have solved the 3g issue by using a mobile hotspot from time warner.

in your case seems like a network problem to me. Whats your phone mike?

mikeeam said:
Erik, what do you think about 3rd party apps? Just want to know toughts about someone that is comparing iPhone 4 with WP7, like me.
Do you tested Facebook app?
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Third party apps are much better on the iPhone, but thats also because the iPhone has had longer to mature. The Facebook app has much more support (Groups, chat, etc) and is very quick. I was always annoyed with the WP7 Facebook app (and other apps) because when you scrolled in the list it would have very strange scrolling (can't describe it, but you know what I mean). The iPhone Facebook app doesn't have this scrolling issue and since I can run it in the background it is just as quick/quicker than WP7 and the People hub. These same observations can be applied to almost any app shared between the two phones. WP7 feels really, really smooth in all the default applications, but for third party stuff it's just not the same.
Also, I never did any speed tests between the phones over 3G/Edge because I'm on a tiered plan and didn't feel like using it up for tests.

bnlf said:
in your case seems like a network problem to me. Whats your phone mike?
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Trophy 7. Also, my carrier is Vivo (not TIM anymore). And my phone takes forever just to refresh Facebook app (if it don't show up a message saying to check my connection).

ErikWithNoC said:
Third party apps are much better on the iPhone, but thats also because the iPhone has had longer to mature. The Facebook app has much more support (Groups, chat, etc) and is very quick. I was always annoyed with the WP7 Facebook app (and other apps) because when you scrolled in the list it would have very strange scrolling (can't describe it, but you know what I mean). The iPhone Facebook app doesn't have this scrolling issue and since I can run it in the background it is just as quick/quicker than WP7 and the People hub. These same observations can be applied to almost any app shared between the two phones. WP7 feels really, really smooth in all the default applications, but for third party stuff it's just not the same.
Also, I never did any speed tests between the phones over 3G/Edge because I'm on a tiered plan and didn't feel like using it up for tests.
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I just looked into the app I am programming currently (and I will present here as soon as I reached this 10-Post-Thread-Limit).
At first I thought everything runs smoothly but the longer I use my app the unsmoother it gets. I looked in the code but couldnt find anything that could cause this slowness (like expanding memory-need) and even added manual GarbageCollection that will delete unused space from memory but it didnt improve the slowness. Seems like theres a bug in the Silverlight/.Net-Framework.
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DeathLamp

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I just looked into the app I am programming currently (and I will present here as soon as I reached this 10-Post-Thread-Limit).
At first I thought everything runs smoothly but the longer I use my app the unsmoother it gets. I looked in the code but couldnt find anything that could cause this slowness (like expanding memory-need) and even added manual GarbageCollection that will delete unused space from memory but it didnt improve the slowness. Seems like theres a bug in the Silverlight/.Net-Framework.
Sincerly,
DeathLamp
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You're a genious!
But that sounds bad. I would prefer to hear that developers were coding it wrong. Hope Microsoft fix this soon. Seriously, I love the OS, but these little things are pissing me off.

Push errors? App's crashing? Possible fix!

Howdy!
So- shortly before the NoDo update, I noticed some erratic behavior with some of my apps. For one thing, push notifications for everything that wasn't a phone function seemed to be inconsistent. Secondly, certain apps just wouldn't work (e.g. AP Mobile crashed on launch, Alpha Jax wouldn't show notifications, gReadie, Flixster, AP Mobile and Weather live tiles wouldn't update.)
I did some research and it looks like these errors are related to the "push constipation" issue, where inactive or uninstalled apps with push or live tile function remain in the registry. Now, before NoDo if you had an unlocked device you could install a registry editor and remove some registry entries and the problems were solved... but I decided to wait for NoDo, hoping it would fix the issue but it did not.
So after trying everything, even resetting the phone completely, the issues keep coming back after some time. Until today!
Long story short, for whatever reason, disabling WiFi and cellular data, turning the phone off and then back on, and opening the programs that seem to be having issues while still offline... seems to fix the issue. After turning data back on I can confirm that all of my issues were solved:
AP Mobille tile updates
Alpha Jax notifications come through
gReadie live tile updates
Weather live tile updates
Maybe it's coincidence, but I just wanted to share here so that if any other locked, post NoDo users were having these kind of issues, they could try to fix it.
I was getting super frustrated and hope I can prevent that for some others lol. Good luck!

No go for me...

Alpha Jax from time to time will keep notification on there when in fact there is none, and also from time to time will show no notification when there is one. But on my Arrive after I get a new notification and play the indicator fixes itself, conversely if I have no notification and I have a game to play, if I play out the game, on the next go around the notification works correctly.

AlphaJax keeps giving me the Push Notification error. I tried your method with no luck unless I did something wrong.
I did a hard reset only about 2 weeks ago so this situation is just beyond stupid.

After the NoDo update, my tiles stopped working but using your method worked. I did exactly as you wrote but took an extra step and re-synced my apps that used toast notifications and now they're back. Although, it seems to only work for tiles that use toast notifications because the weather channel tile still has a mind of its own, but that's probably due to pull and not push and I reinstalled AP Mobile but the live tile doesn't work for me.
So Microsoft might be right in that the problem might have to do with some kind of issue with the phone's internet connection instead of the max number of registry entries, or it could be a combo of both??
Either way, thanks dude!

Gus can you post a step by step guide of what you did because I don't get anywhere. Cheers.

Peew971 said:
Gus can you post a step by step guide of what you did because I don't get anywhere. Cheers.
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I think their problem is different from yours, as I reproduced your problem and this fix won't work for me either. I think there's was just a matter of resyncing the servers after the update while yours is the 'notification constipation' issue. I broke mine purposely, not sure if you remember, and can't get it back. I'm not going to hard reset either as I really don't care, as my main live tile (WeatherBug) still works... But hopefully Microsoft addresses this with a patch. You could always revert back to your back up and unlock as a temporary fix, then reupdate to fix the registry, though I completely agree with you that we shouldn't have to do it, and it shouldn't be an option. I don't think even Microsoft expected the growth it has received, both sales & marketplace wise, or it definitely would have set the limit significantly higher...

Why can't I have it all?

Today is one of the days per year that I have a full Saturday without my family around to bug me. As I sit here wasting my day trying to figure out how to "have it all", I have to "vent". I don't understand why this is so difficult. It's not about the money, I would write a check with several zeros if someone could find a solution for me. All I want, is a phone that Google and Apple can't track, but is still functional for my needs.
LineageOS with Micro is ALMOST that solution. But, every day something doesn't work like it should. I need to be able to schedule texts and send MMS messages that don't sacrafice quality. What do you user for that? Google Messages. Well, I don't want to sign into Google so none of those features work. In fact, even if I do sign in, none of those features work. Ok, I'll try Textra. Nope. Won't work with MicroG because it "needs google service". I have tried around a dozen messaging apps, but either they don't schedule texts or they don't send MMS.
I drive 1,000s of miles for work in different vehicles in unfamiliar areas. I listen to many podcasts and take lots of phone calls on the road. So, given the amount of travel and variation of vehicles I drive, having a physcial GPS or using a phone mount isn't practical. Using my phone as a handheld GPS isn't smart. What's left? Android Auto. Ok, I've tried using a separate phone for Android Auto, but then phone calls don't come through. I've almost crashed trying to juggle those.
What am I working on today? I've been using Brave Browser, but I also use 1password. 1password functionality is broken on 90% of the sites I visit on Brave, so I downloaded Firefox. 1password works great, but my corporate security app routes everything from Firefox through itself, and breaks everything. It doesn't happen with Brave and I can't delete my work app. So Brave wins that battle.
So I thought -- why don't I just install LinesageOS with gapps, create a brand new google account to login with, and never use that google ID anywhere else. But after some research and asking on different message boards, THAT doesn't work either.
At this point, how does someone in my shoes not just say f#*k it, you win Google/Apple, and go back to a stock OS?

faknit said:
have to "vent"
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Kinda know this feeling.
faknit said:
want, is a phone that Google and Apple can't track
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How about Librem? Or at least iodeOS?
faknit said:
Google Messages
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Why in the 1st place?
faknit said:
What's left? Android Auto
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Well, other than that, perhaps Osmand?
faknit said:
you win Google/Apple, and go back to a stock OS?
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NO WAY, over my dad's cat!
I do understand and share your frustration but giving up is not a good choice here.
Sometimes less is more, I don't use MicroG at all and people keep pestering me since years to get Whatsapp, Signal, Threema, Telegram, Slack, Discord and all that ****. Nah, stop being stupid and just keep using email, SMS or jabber.
Unless another Noah posts free tickets for Ark 2 on whatsapp, I am perfectly fine, I guess

A little late on my reply! Figured I'd still throw this out there.
I can't use Librem & iodeOS because of work requirements. I have to use their applications for email/messaging etc. Unfortunately the apps also detect/block Custom ROMs so I have no choice but to root so I can use magisk.
Literally the only reason I want Google Messages (which, for what I want requires chat features enabled) is to schedule messages without losing other functionality. QKSMS works great, but you can't share videos. Several others that are recommended won't work without Google services. There was one that worked really well but crashed every couple hours and would only work after uninstalling.
Android Auto, I could care less which application I use TBH, but nothing else will do what I need. I need the map to display on the cars screen so I'm not staring at my phone. A second phone isn't an option because 1. I'd lose it 2. Work won't pay for a phone because they suck and I can't afford 2 plans. Same excuses for a dedicated GPS. A phone mount is difficult because of the sheer variety of vehicles I drive, and I usually don't know what I'll be driving. So I'd have to take several styles of mount on every trip.
All that said --- I vented and I feel better. I'm just dealing with the problems.

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Work won't pay for a phone because they suck and I can't afford 2 plans
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That sounds familiar. A previous company insisted on iphone which I despised but I tried anyway for a month, ever since I hate everything crapple even more
But wait, can't solve issue 1... issue 2: Hotspot on company phone? Muahahahaaa