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Im beginning to think that xda-developers.com server(s) is going on their knees. The forum is responding bad and lags sometimes.
I wondering why, and looked further down. A big block of usernames taking up my whole screen seems to be the answer. With about ~6000 users online, I think both the connection, database server and the forum server(s) hardware are going on their maxs, I can just imagine that the server are receiving like 3000-4000 HTTP hits/second in total... And thats pretty high load.
I have a suggestion: Why not split the forum into 2 forums, and the split is done in a way so both forums is about "equally" popular. This means the forum can be split on 2 servers too with separate databases. (Like forum1.xda-developers.com and forum2.xda-developers.com)
So the first forum could have the most popular forums, and the second forum could have the rest.
This to make performance at xda-developers.com better.
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Why don´t you better do a donation!!
That way owners can manage any overload
We have more than 1 server you know .
Dave
Well it seems bad. Is it because I'm from Kansas and the server is overseas? It can take up to like five or ten seconds for a page to even begin to load.
Strength in Numbers
I think that a forum split wouldn't benefit the xda site as a whole. There are a lot of benefits from working together, and you never know how many rom, stack, or radio problems have been solved from developers looking into issues mentions on other phones and collaborating with other developers. There could be a invaluable amount of networking loss and communication loss between xda-users and providers in splitting the forum into 2 databases.
yeah, well. something must be done though, because the site is responding very slow, and sometimes not at all..
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yeah, well. something must be done though, because the site is responding very slow, and sometimes not at all..
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Dave
Alright guys not trying to start another "I heard" thread but I read some upsetting news today.....it seems the community is going to begin to dwindle.....maybe not for us specifically but more for some of the newer phone models... I took some interest in the Droid bionic today and so I decided to go look at the thread for it.....under the general topic there was a discussion about Verizon beginning to crack down on root users. This is due mainly to the theft of services (WiFi tether). This crack down will mean Verizon completely locking down the bootloader and making phones unrootable. Theyre even going as far as to back this up with network locks. If your new device isn't verified on there network with an unrooted Rom, they will potentially lock down your service so you can't use your phone for anything essentially. Now as of right now it appears that they are focused mainly on new devices and they aren't so worried with us. I can completely understand why they would want to stop the theft of this service but at the same time this news comes as a bummer. How long will it be until Verizon locks down root altogether? And this isn't even just Verizon but rather a joint venture across multiple carriers. I don't know how to link but go look it up if youre interested guys. It's under Droid bionic general. I don't know how to take this information....but anyways let's get some input rolling here. What do you guys think about this? And better yet anyone think its gonna affect our devices at some point?
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Hey man, I can honestly say that I think this is complete bull! Haha. Why would they take away the boot loader?? Thats aa main trouble shoot tool in its self, and if this does happen. I highly doubt that it would stop root. We would be able to get past it.
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Read the thread....even if they do get around it there will be back ups that will kill service to any rooted device. Idk if this is true but its interesting
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We have wayy too many smart devs to let this happen. I'm not worried
This is a rumor from ONE source. People have been getting all upset over this but until anything actually happens, it's just that. A rumor.
Besides, if Verizon is worried about people tethering for free, it would make more sense to charge for data on a tiered level like they're probably going to start doing anyway.
Wild rumors and speculation based on forum posts, which link back to other forum posts, which link to other forums.... which eventually circle back to one guy who doesn't provide any back-up for his claims.
The original panic started here:
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...otloaders-rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html
Can we please restore some sanity to the community? Will people please stop panicking based on a bunch of "I heard..." and vague references to unnamed, unconfirmed sources?
Am I saying that this is impossible? No. But as intelligent adults, should we not demand a higher burden of proof than vague references to "multiple channels"? If there really are multiple channels that can confirm this vast conspiracy, why hasn't it broken as a reputable news story anywhere? One dude cracked the case, but no one else can corroborate it or cite anything?
This is claimed to be an effort to crack down on unauthorized tethering. If that is the goal, what seems more likely?
1. The claim that "Multiple carriers were working collaboratively on a program that would be able to identify rooted users and create a database of their meids."
or
2. Phone companies will just start phasing out unlimited data in favor of tiered plans
Given that we're already seeing #2 happen on some carriers, I'll put my money on that.
Of course, people love David and Goliath stories, so I doubt these rumors will ever die, just like the Placebo Throttle Remover will never die.
Yea, maybe all the phone companies have gotten together and are developing super secret methods of tracking us down. And maybe the Reverse Vampires are involved. And the Masons.
The original panic rumor claims that these things are already happening. For example:
"More than one major carrier besides Verizon has implemented this program and that all carriers involved had begun tracking rooted phones. All carriers involved were more than pleased with the accuracy of the program."
Sooooooo..... if it's already happening, there should be some evidence, right?
P.S. - I have heard from multiple sources that XDA is going to start tracking members by injecting code into any attachment that is placed on this forum. I've confirmed it through multiple channels. No, I can't be any more specific than that: I hope you understand. After all, this is top secret information... I can't just go tossing it around. It's a vast conspiracy, but they've managed to keep it completely bottled up.
Don't believe me!?!? Well, just wait until it happens to youuuuuuuu!!!!! (Scary music)
byrong, thank you!
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Wild rumors and speculation based on forum posts, which link back to other forum posts, which link to other forums.... which eventually circle back to one guy who doesn't provide any back-up for his claims.
The original panic started here:
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...otloaders-rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html
Can we please restore some sanity to the community? Will people please stop panicking based on a bunch of "I heard..." and vague references to unnamed, unconfirmed sources?
Am I saying that this is impossible? No. But as intelligent adults, should we not demand a higher burden of proof than vague references to "multiple channels"? If there really are multiple channels that can confirm this vast conspiracy, why hasn't it broken as a reputable news story anywhere? One dude cracked the case, but no one else can corroborate it or cite anything?
This is claimed to be an effort to crack down on unauthorized tethering. If that is the goal, what seems more likely?
1. The claim that "Multiple carriers were working collaboratively on a program that would be able to identify rooted users and create a database of their meids."
or
2. Phone companies will just start phasing out unlimited data in favor of tiered plans
Given that we're already seeing #2 happen on some carriers, I'll put my money on that.
Of course, people love David and Goliath stories, so I doubt these rumors will ever die, just like the Placebo Throttle Remover will never die.
Yea, maybe all the phone companies have gotten together and are developing super secret methods of tracking us down. And maybe the Reverse Vampires are involved. And the Masons.
The original panic rumor claims that these things are already happening. For example:
"More than one major carrier besides Verizon has implemented this program and that all carriers involved had begun tracking rooted phones. All carriers involved were more than pleased with the accuracy of the program."
Sooooooo..... if it's already happening, there should be some evidence, right?
P.S. - I have heard from multiple sources that XDA is going to start tracking members by injecting code into any attachment that is placed on this forum. I've confirmed it through multiple channels. No, I can't be any more specific than that: I hope you understand. After all, this is top secret information... I can't just go tossing it around. It's a vast conspiracy, but they've managed to keep it completely bottled up.
Don't believe me!?!? Well, just wait until it happens to youuuuuuuu!!!!! (Scary music)
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Damn dude.....just trying to put some discussion into this topic. Ouch. I understand and preface this with not trying to start another I heard thread.....I wasn't trying to instill panic in anyone. No need to write up an essay and a half of flame. Simply giving some discussion topic.
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Damn dude.....just trying to put some discussion into this topic. Ouch. I understand and preface this with not trying to start another I heard thread.....I wasn't trying to instill panic in anyone. No need to write up an essay and a half of flame. Simply giving some discussion topic.
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I believe a thread about this was discussed a few weeks ago and closed. I dont believe it will happen snyways
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I believe a thread about this was discussed a few weeks ago and closed. I dont believe it will happen snyways
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I don't necesarilly believe it will happen but is it plausible? yes....You can't deny that major carriers and development teams have more knowledge, experience, and capability then ANY developer on xda. Look at the past. Apple actually brought out a lawsuit trying to keep people from jailbreaking devices. So while we may all sit around and laugh at the idea and while it is just a bunch of hear say at this point, it is definitely plausible. And i do agree that it may just be easier to do tiered data plans, but then that kind of screws over verizon's customers who actually pay for tether. So you can kind of understand why they wouldn't want to continue to move on that route. Both options are viable and neither of them appears to be any sort of threat right now. As stated above, right now it's just a bunch of threads linking back to other threads linking back to other threads. And I don't know how much there is to believe about it but none the less it definitely could happen.... But hopefully nothing will happen....I mean come on manufacturers hardly keep their devices up to date...2.3 has already been dropped on how many devices and we're still waiting for it. People are on to sense 3.0 and we still have 1.0 on our stock rom. If they decide to kill the independent dev community then they better start dropping crazy updates with extremely customizable roms. It just seems like too much work that would ultimately end in manufacturers and providers losing money. Sooo ya. probs not gonna happen
If people didnt abuse tether, it wouldnt be an issue. So much free wifi, i cant think of last time i tethered. I also actually pay for internet at hone, yet i know several who tether for home internet.
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Verizon would be foolish to do this. People are attracted to their service due to the freedom of android...
elixir911911 said:
Damn dude.....just trying to put some discussion into this topic. Ouch. I understand and preface this with not trying to start another I heard thread.....I wasn't trying to instill panic in anyone. No need to write up an essay and a half of flame. Simply giving some discussion topic.
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It's not a flame, it's just the truth... There really is not a whole lot to be concerned about. It's out of our control so whatever happens happens, we'll have to deal with it when it shows up, IF it shows up. But why be so concerned about it?
Having said that, as far as rooting goes, they SHOULD embrace developers and allow us to use our roms and stuff legally... but I think that there is stuff set in writing and signatures that are still in effect for the time being. I see them never allowing us to root, but compromising by letting us set our own defaults and not having to use their proprietary carrier BS eventually. Whatever we make our phones into (right now) creates a market, and where there's a market there's money. We'll either have the perfect phone or the option to make the perfect phone, just like we can buy the perfect PC or make the perfect PC. Well, at least as far as software goes.
I personally believe we'll ultimately get what we want to the point where rooting is useless as far as ordinary everyday users go. But right now we don't know what this whole smartphone craze is or what its gonna be when it finally plateaus, and neither do the manufacturers & carriers so they can't exactly crack whips on our backs for doing all of this yet.
Besides, the hackers that make these roms make the phones better. They turn us into brand and carrier loyalists. The Optimus, Galaxy S, Xperia, HTC & Droids all have followings for different reasons, and the developers are the most rabid and loyal of them all. They might not NEED us, but we're still pretty freaking important.
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Alright guys not trying to start another "I heard" thread but I read some upsetting news today.....it seems the community is going to begin to dwindle.....maybe not for us specifically but more for some of the newer phone models... I took some interest in the Droid bionic today and so I decided to go look at the thread for it.....under the general topic there was a discussion about Verizon beginning to crack down on root users. This is due mainly to the theft of services (WiFi tether). This crack down will mean Verizon completely locking down the bootloader and making phones unrootable. Theyre even going as far as to back this up with network locks. If your new device isn't verified on there network with an unrooted Rom, they will potentially lock down your service so you can't use your phone for anything essentially. Now as of right now it appears that they are focused mainly on new devices and they aren't so worried with us. I can completely understand why they would want to stop the theft of this service but at the same time this news comes as a bummer. How long will it be until Verizon locks down root altogether? And this isn't even just Verizon but rather a joint venture across multiple carriers. I don't know how to link but go look it up if youre interested guys. It's under Droid bionic general. I don't know how to take this information....but anyways let's get some input rolling here. What do you guys think about this? And better yet anyone think its gonna affect our devices at some point?
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Okay I'm going to be as nice as I can about this. It's not true. We've had so many threads about this the threads are starting to scare people. Please stop. I don't mean to be rude to you. There is not on piece of solid evidence and I've talked to soooo many people it's not even funny. Don't buy it.
I'm rooted and I have wireless tether. However, there are apps in the market (Easy Tether and PDANet, for example) that do the same thing as wireless tether, but use a USB cable and work on unrooted phones, so the argument that VZW is cracking down on rooted users due to wireless tether isn't valid. I use WT every now and then if I need to connect my laptop for work reasons when I am at a customers location. If VZW feels the need to lock my phone, well, it IS their network and they have that right. I rooted my phone to get rid of the software that was bogging my phone down.
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I'm rooted and I have wireless tether. However, there are apps in the market (Easy Tether and PDANet, for example) that do the same thing as wireless tether, but use a USB cable and work on unrooted phones, so the argument that VZW is cracking down on rooted users due to wireless tether isn't valid. I use WT every now and then if I need to connect my laptop for work reasons when I am at a customers location. If VZW feels the need to lock my phone, well, it IS their network and they have that right. I rooted my phone to get rid of the software that was bogging my phone down.
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+1 true
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It seems like there are a dozen new Android phones and tablets coming out every week from unknown manufactures. Most of these are cheap Chinese devices, but they're not all junk, and smaller manufacturers from other countries get thrown into the mix as well. Right now, any discussion of these devices ends up in the Android General forums for lack of a better home. This makes these forums quite crowded with orphaned-device-specific posts, and useful general posts hard to find.
I suggest an new forum section for off-brand or generic devices. This section should have four sub-forums: phone general, tablet general, phone development, and tablet development. This would give these low-volume devices a home and declutter Android General significantly. It may even cut down on the requests for dedicated forums for obscure devices.
Not a bad idea actually. I like it, though not sure what the admin will think. I've suggested your idea to them and linked here, so we'll see what they say
Yea, I'm going to go ahead and throw my support behind this as well. Considering there's a new Android device released every week, it seems prudent to give those few users a spot to call there own.
I also support this, especially since I'm unable to afford larger-brand products, so I own a Coby MID1125 Kyros tablet and would love for there to be space specifically for it.
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I own a Coby MID1125 Kyros tablet and would love for there to be space specifically for it.
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Just to clarify, it would be a space for your Coby and other low-volume devices as well. It should be easier for you to find coby-specific posts there though.
Nice idea. If there were any type of voting going on then I'd be raising my hand straight away. This would surely benefit both the users without specific forums and the general lurkers, like myself.
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Support cost-effective products
This is a great idea, many "off-brand" or "cost-effective" device development ends up in the Android OS fora scattered randomly.
this would be a great organizational addition for future posts and back-cleaning other forums.
XDA has always been a developers forum. We add devices depending on the amount of development and how good the device is. We don't support Chinese knock devices at all as they are not official devices with official firmware versions. Half the time a Chinese knock off will state it has certain hardware and it really doesn't. Remember only recently have we even added non HTC devices.
Well the admin thought this was a good idea and will be implemented in a day or so
The overall atmosphere on XDA in the forums especially in the development areas for the phones is deteriorating rapidly.
I realize that there are some young people working with ROM's ect but there needs to be a stronger basic criteria for adding builds here.
Fly by night 1 version roms that are riddled with problems seems to be getting worse.
I work with professional software developers all day and most of them come in here, look around and simply don't bother. Whether it's because people call there roms godlike or have 17 different characters in the title. Or faqs that includes references to known issues that you then have to go track down. To threads that basically regurgitate nonsense.
XDA should be somewhat more professional in many areas I think and that starts with heavier moderation. I hope to see that in the future.
If you see something that you think needs moderator intervention then you should use the report button to bring it to their attention. The mods here do do a very good job, but they can't be in all places at all times. They need the help of vigilant members like yourself to keep things in order.
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Unfortunately people would just complain...
I'd love to see posting of builds restricted to those competent and experienced, with good reputation externally... But then we will just get 200 screaming children who want their stupid kang theme rom...
It's not a battle we can win.
Hi Guys,
I've been coming here for a number of years and have always been frustrated by the naming of the forums, used to get really fed up with remembering that the HTC Tytn II was an XDA Stellar which was a Kaiser etc. etc. I can't even remember what the orbit's other names were now. Anyhow, the forums now are getting split up mainly by American Operators which is fine if you live in the US, but the roots of this forum are European so it puzzles me why this is the case (I know there are many many US participants here, but it's getting really confusing again)
I've seen so many threads on here that have been posted in the wrong forum for the wrong device because perhaps they were on "Three UK" or "o2" Germany and thought that mapped to X operator in the US. I've even read a thread just the other day where people can't figure out if their phone, which was a Canadian phone, would work with the roms from Y phone in the US.
This gets me onto the title of this thread. Seriously, how many forums do we need for the Galaxy S III, there are four "General" threads, four "Q&A" threads etc. etc. Surely 90%+ of the posts in these forums are common to all the devices.
Would it not be better to classify threads by device ID and then have a mapping somewhere for all operators in the world to the device ID. I'm sure the majority of people who use this forum will know the device ID of the device they are interested in off by heart anyhow.
BTW, I did search for an explanation about why the forum is formatting in an American way, but didn't find one, so if there is an explanation about why and perhaps even a past (But recent) discussion on this, then please point me to it. If this hasn't been discussed for a while, would this be a good time to review it again?
Cheers,
Mark.
I heard that sometimes the hardware is different, such as the lte for our american devices. The T-Mobile s3 is branded t-999, not whatever the international version is branded.
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markfid said:
Hi Guys,
I've been coming here for a number of years and have always been frustrated by the naming of the forums, used to get really fed up with remembering that the HTC Tytn II was an XDA Stellar which was a Kaiser etc. etc. I can't even remember what the orbit's other names were now. Anyhow, the forums now are getting split up mainly by American Operators which is fine if you live in the US, but the roots of this forum are European so it puzzles me why this is the case (I know there are many many US participants here, but it's getting really confusing again)
I've seen so many threads on here that have been posted in the wrong forum for the wrong device because perhaps they were on "Three UK" or "o2" Germany and thought that mapped to X operator in the US. I've even read a thread just the other day where people can't figure out if their phone, which was a Canadian phone, would work with the roms from Y phone in the US.
This gets me onto the title of this thread. Seriously, how many forums do we need for the Galaxy S III, there are four "General" threads, four "Q&A" threads etc. etc. Surely 90%+ of the posts in these forums are common to all the devices.
Would it not be better to classify threads by device ID and then have a mapping somewhere for all operators in the world to the device ID. I'm sure the majority of people who use this forum will know the device ID of the device they are interested in off by heart anyhow.
BTW, I did search for an explanation about why the forum is formatting in an American way, but didn't find one, so if there is an explanation about why and perhaps even a past (But recent) discussion on this, then please point me to it. If this hasn't been discussed for a while, would this be a good time to review it again?
Cheers,
Mark.
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Its because in america devices can be completely different depending on the carrier, they all like to have there on tweaked versions, which result in hardware changes which mean ROMS will not work on each without changes, so they are split up to stop people flashing stuff for other versions of the device and bricking it.
Normally there is a international version which will pretty much cover the rest of the world.
This is more about the organization of various device sections than the devices themselves, so I'm moving this to About XDA.
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Its because in america devices can be completely different depending on the carrier, they all like to have there on tweaked versions, which result in hardware changes which mean ROMS will not work on each without changes, so they are split up to stop people flashing stuff for other versions of the device and bricking it.
Normally there is a international version which will pretty much cover the rest of the world.
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This is exactly why. It is annoying but the only way to keep things separate. ROMs and kernels will not work on both devices, therefore we created separate forums for each. Its a pain... but blame the carriers for each wanting to be "Special."