Alright so this is my first ever post on xda. I recently upgraded from a HTC Eris to the Dinc. When I had my Eris, I rooted it and had a general understanding of what roms were and how they worked. I also was able to understand overclocking and flashing different "packages" if you will to allow my phone to do different things. For example I used to use xtrsense Rom on my Eris which required running gscripts to change overclock amounts instead of using setcpu. So I have a very basic understanding of how these things work. when I upgraded to my Dinc, the first thing I looked into was rooting. I have been doing some research and have come to the conclusion that a Dinc root is a lot more detailed than an Eris root. I've been getting confused because it appears that there are a lot more features that can change. What I mean by this is there are roms, radio roms, and kernels. Now, while I may know the names for different aspects of the OS, I do not fully understand what all of the different parts of a root include. Basically, what I'm getting at here is I would really appreciate if someone could give me a general overview of the different aspects of Dinc post root goodies such as roms etc....I know how to root and I've already done enough research on unrevoked to use it, I just need someone to clear up what I'm going to be looking forward to after I root, and more importantly, what it all means and how I would use it. I appreciate any answers in advance and thank you guys for your patience.
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First off, welcome to xda.Basically you open almost endless combinations. I've not changed my radio so I can't really comment on that. Kernels vary by device. Some phones handle OC kernels very well but you sacrifice some battery life. I personally use heyitslou #8. Works great on my phone. As far as roms are concerned, they can get overwhelming. There are evo roms, evo hybrid roms, stock highly moddable inc roms and built from source roms. Within those you have straight sense, gingerbread with sense, AOSP gingerbread, etc. You see where I'm going? And that's all before you get to themes. And if you don't like any of the dozens of options that you can find in five minutes or less, with pretty basic understanding of adb, 7zip, and photoshop or gimp, you can manipulate and combine multiple looks into something truly unique. And with evo hybrid type roms a lot of the themes and theme elements for the evo will work on the incredible also. Actually a lot of the really good mods are from the evo that our wonderful devs have incorporated into the inc roms. Hope this helps a little.
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That was very helpful however I'm looking more for someone to try and give me a brief description of what all different aspects and features I'm going to have to deal with once I flash....to put this simply, am I able to root and flash a new rooted Rom and be done with modding and have all root capabilities? And a further question, where does my UI come from once I root. Will flashing a new Rom change my UI it does that have something to do with kernels. I'm sorry guys I'm just still tryin to learn some stuff here. Thanks for your prompt reply and I really hope someone will be able to help me with these answers
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Okay. So once you run unrevoked on your phone you will have root access along with security being turned off. This will give you all of the files needed. Flashing new radios and kernels is not necessary unless called for by whichever rom you choose. Most roms will have what the dev feels is the most stable kernel included. So for example, you decide heyitslou redemption rom looks good. Once downloaded and flashed through recovery, you don't have to do anything. The current radio on the stock inc is fine. The kernel will be replaced with the one from the rom.
The UI will be described in the roms op. Like I said, some are stock sense based, some are source builds like CM7 and evervolv. We're starting to see ports from the desire hd etc. Just make sure to do your homework before flashing anything. And I can't stress enough the importance of making backups. Backups are your best friend.
As a side note. BE CAREFUL WITH RADIOS. It's one of the easiest ways to brick a phone. If everything works, don't mess with the radio until you fully know why.
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Alright that was a great answer lol thanks for your patience....on a side note: I noticed you said that once I run unrevoked security will be turned off. I've been reading everywhere about "s-off" and"s-on", but no source provides a good explanation as to what it means. Any input? From my understanding it seems as if its pretty much the "switch" if you will that grants "admin access" to the Droid. Am I correct and what other information can you provide me with? Thanks again
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In a nutshell, it "fully" unlocks the phone. Read this.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile...on-htc-android-phones-with-unrevoked-forever/
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Right thanks for the link....one last question here and ill probably be outta your hair what's clockworkmod. Like what is it what does it do and how does it work?
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Clockwork is the recovery you will have once rooted. It replaces the stock recovery. This is where all of the flashing and backing up is done. Most importantly is the backup function. Once you see it it's pretty self explanatory. It allows for wiping data and cache partitions, mounting other partitions.
And your not "in my hair". Lol. We are a pretty helpful group here. If you don't ask how will you know? Dont hesitate to ask.
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Also, just finished that article you linked me to. So my new understanding is s-off essentially is the root. Essentially s-off means that the part of your phone keeping you out of the system files is disabled?
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Sort of. We had root long before we had s off. It allows for more access to the phone from the phone itself without the need to use adb. Also allows for changing things like splash screen images.
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So essentially rooting and s-off on a Dinc would be the same as a plain old Eris root as far as the user end of the software? And any input on clockworkmod and what it does and is
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Look a couple of posts up.
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Well thanks for all your help
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You're welcome.
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I meant a couple of posts up in this post. I reread and it sounded rude on my part.
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Alright just got done running unrevoked. Haven't bothered with forever yet I haven't figured out if its worth it. Any input on forever? And after my root I'm real happy. I didn't even catch what you said about clockwork earlier on and said oh well and rooted anyway. As soon as I saw it though I realized it was the same thing as nandroid on my Eris. So that's all cleared up. After seeing everything post root I realized it isn't too much different than my Eris at all. All of your guidance was extremely appreciated and you were pretty much the straw that broke the camels back on my root. I really appreciate all of your help and I'm glad that there's friendly people on here willing to help and if there's anything I can do for ya even though as far as dev goes I'm clueless let me know. Thanks again man. Forums need people like you to make this stuff simpler.
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You're most likely S-OFF now anyways if you ran the latest unrevoked. Unless you can turn that off during the installation.
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Ya I got my problems all cleared up I'm good to go. Thanks guys
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Should be smooth sailing from here. And once again, you're welcome.
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So excuse me for my ignorance and thanks for any generous answers. I've been hearing alot about the new Fresh ROM that offers awesome battery life so I was thinking about rooting my phone to get it. Anyhow will the that one click root give me the end result for the manual guide that is already for rooting the Froyo evo? So I could use fresh. Just a simple yay or nay question. No need to flame.
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Are you asking about Unrevoked 3? I would go with that when it comes back online. Much simpler than going through the whole downgrade process. Worst case scenario, it doesn't work and you have to do it the long way. Either way will give you the same things in the end. Full root.
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So excuse me for my ignorance and thanks for any generous answers. I've been hearing alot about the new Fresh ROM that offers awesome battery life so I was thinking about rooting my phone to get it. Anyhow will the that one click root give me the end result for the manual guide that is already for rooting the Froyo evo? So I could use fresh. Just a simple yay or nay question. No need to flame.
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Depends on which version of android you are running 2.1 or 2.2?
Goto About phone in the settings and then software...
Yes. Unrevoked 3.2 should work. If you have issues after installing the ROM such as random reboots or bootloops, I would suggest completing Toast's Part 2 of How to Root Guide to be sure the nand is completely unlocked. Some ROMs need this step, in particular the engineering HBOOT (0.76.2000).
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I'm running android 2.2. And thank you guys for not flaming on me. I really do appreciate the responses.
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Hey guys! I figured you guys can help me out with this question.
I'm considering rooting my phone but I don't really want any custom ROMs. I'm happy with my current theme. I can already tether.
All I really want to do is root and have a move to sd enabler (for those pesky apps that are really cool, kind of big and don't have the move to sd enabled) and freeze my bloatware.
Can I root my phone JUST to do this without changing ROMs?
Can I root my phone and still get updates on my current ROM?
Thanks for your time and your patience with this noob.
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Can I root my phone JUST to do this without changing ROMs?
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Absolutely.
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Can I root my phone and still get updates on my current ROM?
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This i do not know. I would assume not.
Root your phone and flash sprint lovers rom. Or any 2.2 sense rom still lets you update. Plus you get to remove bloatware and look into other kernels that could give you better speed/battery. Why root and not change roms?
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Root your phone and flash sprint lovers rom. Or any 2.2 sense rom still lets you update. Plus you get to remove bloatware and look into other kernels that could give you better speed/battery. Why root and not change roms?
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Because I don't know a lot about phones. I don't really want to screw anything up such as my GPS, wifi, or 4G. I'm comfortable with sense and froyo and I like them. My friend has the same phone, rooted his, and I've played with it. It's cool, just not for me. I like the layout of sense.
Please tell me more about Sprint Lovers ROM.
Everything you want to know:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=830153
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Because I don't know a lot about phones. I don't really want to screw anything up such as my GPS, wifi, or 4G. I'm comfortable with sense and froyo and I like them. My friend has the same phone, rooted his, and I've played with it. It's cool, just not for me. I like the layout of sense.
Please tell me more about Sprint Lovers ROM.
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We're all here to help you bud, no worries. The sprint lovers rom is pretty much just a stock rooted rom with the normal sprint goodies with nothing removed along with a few extra tweaks. The rom is great and sounds about what youre looking for. If you search around the development section you can find really easy methods to root your phone and the sprint lovers thread is also there. I would link it up for you but I'm on my phone not home yet. But ill edit this post and link it up for you check back in like 30 mins. Rooting is very easy now a days and so is flashing. As long as you read first you should be fine. The only people who screw things up are people who don't read or research. If you need anything just pm me ill help you. Good luck
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hey bro, yes you can root and keep the stock one, but remember IMPORTANT, dont accept sprint OTA updates they will unroot you, also you should consider titanium backup after you root it is usefull for freezing those sprint apps and keep them out of the way.
then try any app2sd of your choice, good luck
and if you ever decide to try roms, is not that hard and instructions aren't that hard my favorite sense rom is azrael xv4 very stable good battery life.
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We're all here to help you bud, no worries. The sprint lovers rom is pretty much just a stock rooted rom with the normal sprint goodies with nothing removed along with a few extra tweaks. The rom is great and sounds about what youre looking for. If you search around the development section you can find really easy methods to root your phone and the sprint lovers thread is also there. I would link it up for you but I'm on my phone not home yet. But ill edit this post and link it up for you check back in like 30 mins. Rooting is very easy now a days and so is flashing. As long as you read first you should be fine. The only people who screw things up are people who don't read or research. If you need anything just pm me ill help you. Good luck
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Thank you so much! I really appreciate you and everyone else here helping me. I know I can be a little frustrating as a noob because we don't know much. I really appreciate you of all.
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Thank you so much! I really appreciate you and everyone else here helping me. I know I can be a little frustrating as a noob because we don't know much. I really appreciate you of all.
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no prob, anytime man.
I just went through this earlier this week. Some of the rooting techniques require you to wipe your phone or flash a rom like sprint lovers, but if you just want root, I used unrevoked. quick and painless, took less than 15 minutes.
Unrevoked will do a lovely job for you, no confusing instructions or mess required. At that point, you can keep your phone on the stock ROM. Rooting does not change your ROM, it just turns the security off so that you have the freedom to do so.
There are many really nice ROMs out there and kernels that will provide better performance and substantially improved battery life.
It's at least worth the research, even if you stick with stock.
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Unrevoked will do a lovely job for you, no confusing instructions or mess required. At that point, you can keep your phone on the stock ROM. Rooting does not change your ROM, it just turns the security off so that you have the freedom to do so.
There are many really nice ROMs out there and kernels that will provide better performance and substantially improved battery life.
It's at least worth the research, even if you stick with stock.
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Will I be able to update my phone through sprint (new versions of android when it comes out officially) if I root this way? I appreciate all of you guys. I really do.
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Will I be able to update my phone through sprint (new versions of android when it comes out officially) if I root this way? I appreciate all of you guys. I really do.
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You will not be able to accept OTA updates from Sprint while rooted, at risk of losing root, perhaps permanently until someone finds another workaround to exploit.
Most people just wait until their favorite ROM developer releases the new Sprint base.
What is the best rom to root? I just got my epic yesterday and I want to root using the latest rom that everyone is really raving about. Thanks in advance!
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All roms are rooted
First you root your phone then you can install a custom rom
Ruins don't root your phone u do that through a one click rooter you find in development stickies
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What is the best rom to root? I just got my epic yesterday and I want to root using the latest rom that everyone is really raving about. Thanks in advance!
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Follow the instructions in the top of the threads (stickies) on how to root your phone. Then follow the instructions included for the ROM you choose. Most require you to convert your file system to EXT4 and be on Clockwork Mod 3.0.0.6. So read carefully and post your questions here in the Q&A section.
Do you BONSAI?
Its definitely a big pond to jump into. Rooting and flashing ROMS, to say the least can become an addiction. I have been lurking XDA for a short time now. Owned my epic for about a month until i started making my own changes and trying different ROMs ( when FROYO {2.2} updated my phone began to SUCK so off I went; cannon ball into the pond) one of the biggest helps to me was youtube and the "epic cookbook" http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=967014.... definitely a HUGE help. also simple problems have simple answers. Many others have asked and can be answered with the search field. After you jump in and have a succesful root & flash you will have wondered why you waited. I am no "pro" but am willing to help if needed. Good luck
As for the best.... oneclickroot either 2.5 or 3.0 are wonderful. however i have had much more luck with 3.0 running ext4. Now asking which ROM is better is like asking which car is best, all types of answers. Really depends on what you want and your "taste"
Yes thanks for your replies. I may have not asked my question correctly. I came from the Hero and I rooted that phone till it couldn't be rooted anymore! I'm just on the Epic now and not sure where to begin and where the best rom I should flash. Hero had cyn 2-.2 and thought about flashing gingerbread but just decided to upgrade to the Epic. I'll check around XDA in the stickies.. thx for your replies and further advice is surely appreciated!
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Hello everyone,
I have a simple question that I have yet to come across a decent answer too.
What is the main or real reason people root there phone for.
Is it basically like jailbreaking the iPhone or are theredifferent reasons?
I've bought my EVO 4G about a month ago and have been waiting for a root for the gingerbread 2.3.3 update that came stock with my phone.
The reason I'm asking this is should I really be waiting for a root? In other words why am I waiting for a root?
I personally love the phone as it is and I have had no problems with it.
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I recommend not rooting if you are asking those questions. I'm not trying to be rude at all.
Root is the name of the admin account in the Linux and Unix operating systems. Think of not having root as running in protected mode.
If you accept the responsibility of maintaining your own security, and don't mind invalidating your warranty then it is for you.
I didn't decide to root until one of the OTA updates from sprint forced a trial video game down my throat that couldn't be uninstalled.
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Oh I forgot to add, if you are planning on rooting I highly recommend loading the ROM MIUI.
A forwarding, however, 4G has not been implemented yet. Not a downside for me though. I rarely used 4G. The 3G here is fast enough.
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I root due to the need to remove "everything" that "they" put in. If you do not understand you are one of "them"
Thank you for the reply I understand what root is as I run blackbuntu on my desktop.
I wanna know what makes it different. Why are so many people wanting root on the EVO?
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Some people do not like HTC Sense. Some of the Sense based custom rom's run smoother than the stock rom's.
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Because people want to truely have control of the content on their phone
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I understand that, but what I don't understand is why would people sell there phone and trade it in and all just because they don't have root.
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I understand that, but what I don't understand is why would people sell there phone and trade it in and all just because they don't have root.
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because not having root drains the battery faster because of the Sprint Bloatware. Also having root lets you control you phone and do what you please with it like flashing custom roms and kernals and radios and other groovy stuff.
My main reason I want root is not only to get rid of the bloatware but that way I can have a unique phone and not like 80% of everyone else who has a stock EVO
My reason was so I could have total control of my phone, streamline it by removing the stuff I don't need, freeing up memory and storage space, modifying it to look how I want it to, coaxing a faster, smoother phone and being able to try out different setups to see which gives me the best performance.
I never use thethering.
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My reason was so I could have total control of my phone, streamline it by removing the stuff I don't need, freeing up memory and storage space, modifying it to look how I want it to, coaxing a faster, smoother phone and being able to try out different setups to see which gives me the best performance.
I never use thethering.
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+1. Same reason except I tether from time to time
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I root for the custom roms and kernels. I'm a synergy fanboy but its close to stock. Check out YouTube, look for an MIUI video, its truly amazing.
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Because AOSP is how it should be.
And that rhymes too.
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Because AOSP is how it should be.
And that rhymes too.
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LOL, he has a valid point. People like AOSP, some people like sense. Rooting let's you pick 'n' choose. Not being "stuck" in stock. I love my phone heavily themed, the eye candy sets it away from my friends phone. Plus my battery life/performance are much greater. But of course there are lots of reason to root and not to.
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I root because I own the damn device.
Everything I do with that root access is secondary to that.
Well I would love to get rid of all the bloatware and the time sound delicious.
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Because the ladies love it
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I rooted for the ability to tether. It also comes in handy when you need to replace a file like the flash file so that I can watch hulu on my browser. Another thing I should point out, HDMwIn allows me to mirror my display (no limits) over to my tv. With stock and no root, I can only display videos/pictures I recorded myself.
If anything, once they find a way to root 2.3.3, you should try it. Then if you don't like it, you can always set it back to oem status. There's a guide somewhere here.
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I root for mobile hotspot.
29.99 to tether with Sprint's 3G? bah, haha, ha, ha-ha
Being able to fix security holes and update your phone yourself is another big upside to having root; you can make sure it's secure yourself without having to wait forever for an update that may or may not come. That also happens to be one of the reasons why you will not see MIUI on my phone.
Hello,
I dropped and broke my epic today. The sprint dude said I could pay 100 for insurance to replace it, or use my premier early discount $200 since premier ends this month.
Anyway, I ran SRF 1.2 and ACS ICS 5.5.
What do you guys recommend for roms on this phone? I forgot how to attain root and recovery.
Just fyi I will be using the go series (launcher, sms, contacts, dialer).
One last thing, what is the best way to transfer everything to my new phone?
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Hello,
I dropped and broke my epic today. The sprint dude said I could pay 100 for insurance to replace it, or use my premier early discount $200 since premier ends this month.
Anyway, I ran SRF 1.2 and ACS ICS 5.5.
What do you guys recommend for roms on this phone? I forgot how to attain root and recovery.
Just fyi I will be using the go series (launcher, sms, contacts, dialer).
One last thing, what is the best way to transfer everything to my new phone?
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Hahahaha come on man... Try them all pros and cons for all of them and really you need advice on how to transfer files? MYBackup Titanium Android Commander... come on man you said you are coming from the OG Epic so you are not a rookie
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I could figure it out, and I am aware of titanium, but I ask incase there is a better way. I don't understand why you responded. This is q and a. I am posting in the appropriate forum.
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I could figure it out, and I am aware of titanium, but I ask incase there is a better way. I don't understand why you responded. This is q and a. I am posting in the appropriate forum.
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I get it that its q & a but your questions are all in the wiki and to me we all need to do a like better jib of reading up on things which saves on the off the wall threads but OK I will spoon feed ya... try UnNamed its a nice rom and of course Calks is always a great choice. There is a CM rom in development as well. Now if you like odex or barebone roms the forum has a couple with nice ICS themes. Now to root there are a few methods but most say us sfhubs method which is pretty easy.
I hope I helped you although everything I said can be found with a little research... Enjoy and welcome lol
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I get it that its q & a but your questions are all in the wiki and to me we all need to do a like better jib of reading up on things which saves on the off the wall threads but OK I will spoon feed ya... try UnNamed its a nice rom and of course Calks is always a great choice. There is a CM rom in development as well. Now if you like odex or barebone roms the forum has a couple with nice ICS themes. Now to root there are a few methods but most say us sfhubs method which is pretty easy.
I hope I helped you although everything I said can be found with a little research... Enjoy and welcome lol
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I will be honest. I read the first couple of pages from a bunch of the roms. They all seem to have the same features. It is hard to differentiate just from reading. Hence, I ask for empirical opinions. Thanks for yours.
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I will be honest. I read the first couple of pages from a bunch of the roms. They all seem to have the same features. It is hard to differentiate just from reading. Hence, I ask for empirical opinions. Thanks for yours.
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Honestly they are all about the same that's why I tell people to try them all I did till you find the one that fits your needs. It may not sound cool but think about it your in a forum where of course everyone is going to have a different opinion. One of the most asked questions is what's the best blah blah blah........ The best for me may not be the best for you... try a rom nandroid TB and move on to the next one.....
Again hope I helped
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I went ahead and rooted using this method:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342728
I then went about getting Clockwork Mod Recovery by way of Rom Manager. Easiest thing to do. I will be installing Calkulin's rom first.
I'm still tripping about adding all of my data from my first Epic. I don't get it since we are talking about two different SD cards. =/
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I had to use this to install clockwork mod instead:
http://www.youtube.com/user/qbking77?feature=watch#p/c/95A1788B4D8F9941
Bear Knuckles said:
I went ahead and rooted using this method:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342728
I then went about getting Clockwork Mod Recovery by way of Rom Manager. Easiest thing to do. I will be installing Calkulin's rom first.
I'm still tripping about adding all of my data from my first Epic. I don't get it since we are talking about two different SD cards. =/
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I had to use this to install clockwork mod instead:
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Yes I would advise against ever using rom manager especially for flashing a recovery
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You wouldn't personally use rom manager for anything? Why is that? What about the other app, "rom tools" or whatever it is called?
Don't restore system data or app data ..... just apps only. Different phone your asking for issues is you restore those.
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Don't restore system data or app data ..... just apps only. Different phone your asking for issues is you restore those.
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Not even SMS?
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