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{Q} Very Confused. Hboot 2.10 S-on but I'm rooted?

Okay long story short...Replaced my EVO 3 months ago. Used unrevoked to root and have been on Miui for quite some time...
I want to flash the newest radio/wiimax/PRI ect but when I went into Bootloader to flash the PC36img.zip nothing happened. The bootloader finds the img file but nothing else happens. I then noticed that it says S-ON.
I'm confused. I thought in order to be rooted you have to be S-off? If that is the case how can I flash any rom I want? I also have AMON 2.3 recovery flashed as well...
Also, I would like to get to S-off so if I follow this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829045 Will it work? Can I follow this guide with how my phone is now or do I have to unroot first? Thanks in advance.

Starzboy77 said:
Okay long story short...Replaced my EVO 3 months ago. Used unrevoked to root and have been on Miui for quite some time...
I want to flash the newest radio/wiimax/PRI ect but when I went into Bootloader to flash the PC36img.zip nothing happened. The bootloader finds the img file but nothing else happens. I then noticed that it says S-ON.
I'm confused. I thought in order to be rooted you have to be S-off? If that is the case how can I flash any rom I want? I also have AMON 2.3 recovery flashed as well...
Also, I would like to get to S-off so if I follow this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829045 Will it work? Can I follow this guide with how my phone is now or do I have to unroot first? Thanks in advance.
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The original Unrevoked 3.1 came out and could root the EVO before they released Unrevoked Forever. I think all you need to do is go check out the Unrevoked Forever site (http://www.unrevoked.com/forever) and you should be able to S-OFF your rooted EVO so that the bootloader will be able to apply the PC36IMG.zip files.

I thought in order to be rooted you have to be S-off?
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Correct. Possibly you got unrooted by trying to flash the new ota.

tpbklake said:
The original Unrevoked 3.1 came out and could root the EVO before they released Unrevoked Forever. I think all you need to do is go check out the Unrevoked Forever site (http://www.unrevoked.com/forever) and you should be able to S-OFF your rooted EVO so that the bootloader will be able to apply the PC36IMG.zip files.
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Thank you so much! I am now S-off by running the Unrevoked Forever.Zip file. Flashing radios now. Thanks again! I assume that I'll have to flash a Sense ROM to update profile after I flash the radios?

yup.
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I have the same issue. I am fully rooted but s-on. Im guessing it happened when i flashed the latest radio update.

sitlet said:
Correct. Possibly you got unrooted by trying to flash the new ota.
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Wrong. S off is just the security setting. It has no correlation with being rooted. You can be rooted and still be s on like the op.
S off only enables the hboot to flash unsigned/unofficial images to the partitions. S off also allows the system to be written to while android is booted.
The unrevoked forever instructions even state you need to be rooted and have a custom recovery in order to set s off.

lovethyEVO said:
Wrong. S off is just the security setting. It has no correlation with being rooted. You can be rooted and still be s on like the op.
S off only enables the hboot to flash unsigned/unofficial images to the partitions. S off also allows the system to be written to while android is booted.
The unrevoked forever instructions even state you need to be rooted and have a custom recovery in order to set s off.
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Very good post. There is alot of misconception about this. Glad someone cleared it up

Stuck at White HTC Boot Screen, Can't get to Recovery

Hey,
I was trying to load up the new radios and when I did it my phone kept losing connections to 3G and everything so I tried to update hboot to the latest and now I can't get past the HTC EVO 4G White Screen. I can still access Hboot but I can't get to recovery.
I was loading the radios from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715485
I tried to install the PC36IMG from RA-supersonic 2.3 but its not giving me the instruction to install it. It reads the PC36IMG.zip in Hboot but I don't get an option asking do I want to install it.
I got the file from here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=705026
Is there a way for me to get to recovery? My phone won't boot past the screen, I assume if I can get back to recovery I can wipe it and use a different ROM. Thanks

junkyardwillie said:
Hey,
I was trying to load up the new radios and when I did it my phone kept losing connections to 3G and everything so I tried to update hboot to the latest and now I can't get past the HTC EVO 4G White Screen. I can still access Hboot but I can't get to recovery.
I was loading the radios from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715485
I tried to install the PC36IMG from RA-supersonic 2.3 but its not giving me the instruction to install it. It reads the PC36IMG.zip in Hboot but I don't get an option asking do I want to install it.
I got the file from here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=705026
Is there a way for me to get to recovery? My phone won't boot past the screen, I assume if I can get back to recovery I can wipe it and use a different ROM. Thanks
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Are you still showing S-OFF? When you flash your hboot you also have to flash a new kernel in order for it to boot, the recovery on the other hand should still work regardless.

Its showing Supersonice EVT2-2 Ship S-ON. Does that mean I lost root?

s-on sorry man you lost root through updating your hboot there are many ways to downgrade your hboot and reroot look here ... in android development thread for htc evo
heres a link hope i helped http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883548
Thats hboot for 2.10 downgrade please tell me what version HBOOT you updated too so that i may provide a proper link if thats not your hboot

atadres said:
s-on sorry man you lost root through updating your hboot there are many ways to downgrade your hboot and reroot look here ... in android development thread for htc evo
heres a link hope i helped http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883548
Thats hboot for 2.10 downgrade please tell me what version HBOOT you updated too so that i may provide a proper link if thats not your hboot
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Thanks for the help, I'm on HBOOT-2.16.0001

So do I need to start back from the beginning. I found this link that is for Rooting with Hboot 2.16, I just want to make sure that I'm doing the right thing. The other link is to downgrade my Hboot but it says I need to be S-Off to do it. My phone can't boot past the White HTC screen right now. Is there a way to unroot through Hboot or something without the phone being loaded? Thanks again
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1218386

junkyardwillie said:
So do I need to start back from the beginning. I found this link that is for Rooting with Hboot 2.16, I just want to make sure that I'm doing the right thing. The other link is to downgrade my Hboot but it says I need to be S-Off to do it. My phone can't boot past the White HTC screen right now. Is there a way to unroot through Hboot or something without the phone being loaded? Thanks again
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1218386
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Running the latest RUU should get your phone up and running again. Then just use revolutionary again and you should be S-OFF again. Also be sure to permanently set S-OFF with unrevoked forever before flashing a new hboot.

xHausx said:
Running the latest RUU should get your phone up and running again. Then just use revolutionary again and you should be S-OFF again. Also be sure to permanently set S-OFF with unrevoked forever before flashing a new hboot.
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I tried flashing the deodex version of the stock ROM from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1245291.
I downloaded the file and changed the name to PC36IMG.zip. I turned on my phone to Hboot which read the file but I didn't get a message asking if I wanted to install it, the bar went for a little while and then it went to "Checking...[PC36IMG.zip]" but I don't know if it actually flashed anything. When I rebooted my phone it just went back into FastBoot. Any ideas on what I might be doing wrong? It still won't let me into Recovery, it just freezes at the HTC EVO 4G screen. I haven't gotten caught in this loop before. Thanks for the help

junkyardwillie said:
I tried flashing the deodex version of the stock ROM from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1245291.
I downloaded the file and changed the name to PC36IMG.zip. I turned on my phone to Hboot which read the file but I didn't get a message asking if I wanted to install it, the bar went for a little while and then it went to "Checking...[PC36IMG.zip]" but I don't know if it actually flashed anything. When I rebooted my phone it just went back into FastBoot. Any ideas on what I might be doing wrong? It still won't let me into Recovery, it just freezes at the HTC EVO 4G screen. I haven't gotten caught in this loop before. Thanks for the help
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With S-ON you'll only be able to flash PC36IMGs that have been signed by HTC, otherwise it will reject it. This one here should work for you though.

xHausx said:
With S-ON you'll only be able to flash PC36IMGs that have been signed by HTC, otherwise it will reject it. This one here should work for you though.
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I flashed that ROM and I got the phone back booted up. Thanks again, you all are awesome!

I didn't know u can flash unrevoked forever on top of revolutionary...learn something new everyday
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{ParanoiA} said:
I didn't know u can flash unrevoked forever on top of revolutionary...learn something new everyday
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Ne either. Someone explain how to do that. Please.
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

I am having the same exact issue on a HTC Evo View. Is Revolutionary rooted S-OFF HBOOT-6.14.5555. I tried the PC36IMG.zip file in root of sd card as well. It seems to get erased. I dont see a recovery image file for htc evo view in Rom Manager. Any suggestions. Thanks in advance.

Make LCD Incredible S-On

I have an LCD Incredible with radio version 2.15.10.07.07 and I'm trying to return it back to stock so I can sell it to a friend. I have already flashed the stock unrooted ROM (PB31IMG.zip) and it gave me back the stock recovery, I read that I should flash unrevoked-forever-son.zip via CWM but my radio isn't on the supported list and I don't want to brick the device. What should I do?
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Go here and flash the 7.28 Froyo radio http://pvillecomp.com/?page_id=18 that should do the trick. This is assuming you flashed the Froyo RUU.

I flashed the Gingerbread image, I didn't use the RUU because I was having problems connecting.

I believe you can still flash the Froyo radio. If not just flash the Froyo Ruu, you can also get the PB31IMG file for it at pvillcomp.com. Then flash the 7.28 radio. If you do this, the phone should receive the OTA gingerbread update.

Thanks, that's what I figured. I just downgraded to Froyo to be on the safe side.
Edit: I just flashed the S-On zip via CWM and was curious if it would replace CWM with the stock recovery, it didn't. So now I have a phone with S-On and CWM, what should I do?

Go here, grab the stock recovery and flash it in Hboot. I'm not sure if you will have to reroot first or not. Give it a shot and let me know.

brando56894 said:
Thanks, that's what I figured. I just downgraded to Froyo to be on the safe side.
Edit: I just flashed the S-On zip via CWM and was curious if it would replace CWM with the stock recovery, it didn't. So now I have a phone with S-On and CWM, what should I do?
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You should be able to run the PB13IMGwhatver zip again and it will give you the Stock Recovery and Stock Rom.
My advice would be to run the newest Gingerbread Stock PBIMG so as to not have to downgrade, then boot, then download OTA, then run that and so on. Simply flash one PBIMG and be over with it
Hope this helps....

Yea, I figured that's probably what I could do. I downloaded the stock recovery and tried to flash it but it wouldn't go. HBoot detected it but never asked me if I wanted to apply it.

brando56894 said:
Yea, I figured that's probably what I could do. I downloaded the stock recovery and tried to flash it but it wouldn't go. HBoot detected it but never asked me if I wanted to apply it.
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Thats because your s-on now. S-off is what enables us to flash radios and custom recoveries like clockwork. You need to do and ruu, either a PB31IMG.zip thru hboot, or the ruu.exe with a pc. That is the only way to get the stock recovery now that your s-on.

cmlusco said:
Thats because your s-on now. S-off is what enables us to flash radios and custom recoveries like clockwork. You need to do and ruu, either a PB31IMG.zip thru hboot, or the ruu.exe with a pc. That is the only way to get the stock recovery now that your s-on.
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Not entirely. I've had 2 HTC heros and 3 HTC evos both with s+on straight from start and theyre all rooted with custom roms. I had an evo shift with s-on but it died on me.
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KyoceraEchoHax said:
Not entirely. I've had 2 HTC heros and 3 HTC evos both with s+on straight from start and theyre all rooted with custom roms. I had an evo shift with s-on but it died on me.
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s-off / on is not the same as root. A phone can be rooted and still be s-on. However the only way to flash an unsigned file thru hboot on the incredible is with s-off. As far as i know htc has never officialy released a signed recovery only file. So in order to get the stock recovery while s-on you would have to use a signed ruu. Thats all i was trying to say.

cmlusco said:
s-off / on is not the same as root. A phone can be rooted and still be s-on. However the only way to flash an unsigned file thru hboot on the incredible is with s-off. As far as i know htc has never officialy released a signed recovery only file. So in order to get the stock recovery while s-on you would have to use a signed ruu. Thats all i was trying to say.
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This man speaks the truth!

cmlusco said:
You need to do and ruu, either a PB31IMG.zip thru hboot, or the ruu.exe with a pc. That is the only way to get the stock recovery now that your s-on.
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This is what I tried to flash but it didn't give me any option to update it.

Update hboot

Ok, I've been around evo for a while, rooted it just before the 2.2 ota update. I've got hboot version .76 and haven't had a problem with it until I tried the beats roms. How do I update the hboot for my evo? Should I just update to .97 from calks thread?
Thanks and sorry for the terribly noobish confusion I have
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I would not go higher than 0.97, just in case you want to go back to 0.76 later. Make sure you have a pre-gingerbread radio, 2.15.00.11.19 or below, before you update the Hboot just in case you loose S-OFF. It depends on how the phone was rooted.
Just flash the 0.97 Hboot through recovery, and remember to clear your cache and dalvik-cache (minimum) before you reboot.
Also, If you go back to S-ON, flash the unrevoked-forever tool from the unrevoked website. This will only work with pre-gingerbread radios.

yup, i'm back s-on, looks like I gotta downgrade radios. Thanks for the help! I had been trying with TWRP and had to go back to Amon Ra

jpmaniac87 said:
yup, i'm back s-on, looks like I gotta downgrade radios. Thanks for the help! I had been trying with TWRP and had to go back to Amon Ra
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No problem; however, you should have downgraded the radio first as I said in the instructions before you updated the Hboot.
In case you get stuck, here is the fastboot driver for your computer and the RUU you may need. Then you can reroot with unrevoked3.
http://www.multiupload.com/2OFYWZFCCR
http://shipped-roms.com/download.ph...0.09.01_NV_1.77_CNV_release_150224_signed.exe

Back in business!! And running the new ROM I wanted to
I thanked you twice shortydogg! It's been a while since I've messed with the firmware, and never did the hboot. Thank you very much!

No problem.

[Q] Re-Rooting Problem

I'm trying to root my brothers Evo again and running into some problems.
Back story: I had rooted his device with Revolutionary and he was running CM7 just fine. He started to have troubles with his screen so we unrooted it and got S-ON back. He took his phone to Sprint and instead of replacing the device, they decided to just replace the screen on it.
Current story: Downloaded Revolutionary and ran it and got this;
Code:
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| Revolutionary S-OFF & Recovery Tool 0.4pre4 |
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Brought to you by AlphaRev & unrEVOked.
Waiting for device...
Found your device: PC36100 (supersonic-6.17.0001, Android: 2.3.3, ROM version: 4.53.651.1)
Your device is already S-OFF, what exactly do you think you're doing? Not setting S-OFF.
Do you want to download (Internet connection required) and flash ClockworkMod Recovery? [Y/ny
Downloading recovery for your phone (supersonic)...Done.
Rebooting to fastboot...
Flashing recovery over fastboot...INFOsignature checking...
FAILED. Unable to flash recovery. Please download custom recovery yourself and flash it over fastboot.
So here I am with the HBOOT saying that S-ON and Revolutionary telling me it's off and won't turn it off.
Not sure where to go from here!?
Thanks!

When it tells you that your Device is already S-OFF, you should have an option to turn it off regardless.
If that doesn't work, I guess you could try and use another method to do it.
and if THOSE don't work, I guess you could just sbf flash it it

I don't have an option to turn it off regardless.. it finds the device and logs the fact it thinks S-OFF is present and asks to download the recovery.
I thought revolutionary was the only option for HBOOT 1.6 at this point. Is this incorrect?
Also what do you mean by sbf flash it?

DruKe said:
I don't have an option to turn it off regardless.. it finds the device and logs the fact it thinks S-OFF is present and asks to download the recovery.
I thought revolutionary was the only option for HBOOT 1.6 at this point. Is this incorrect?
Also what do you mean by sbf flash it?
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You didn't do the last step after getting S-ON, which is flashing a stock ROM. Because of your HBOOT version, Revolutionary thinks you're already S-OFF. You need to flash a stock ROM to normalize your HBOOT version, and then Revolutionary will work.

He cannot flash a stock ROM if he is S-ON. Sbf basically resets everything on your phone back to its "out of the box" state

@Druke, can you get to recovery? If there is no recovery you may want to RUU back to 4.54 then try revolutionary again. Or just go through the un-rooting steps again.

imheroldman said:
@Druke, can you get to recovery? If there is no recovery you may want to RUU back to 4.54 then try revolutionary again. Or just go through the un-rooting steps again.
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Just remember to not do any updates after RUU'ing back to 4.54! Then you'll have to use other methods to unlock and revert. Good luck.

Flowsick said:
He cannot flash a stock ROM if he is S-ON.
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This is incorrect. You can flash a signed HTC stock ROM in PC36IMG format (or RUU on a PC for that matter) just fine. As I said, that's the last necessary step to returning the device to stock conditions. Trust me, I've done it probably almost 100 times.
P.S. Since I'm the one that came up with the unrooting method that was used, I would know .

I did try an RUU yes. I will need to try an RUU again. The one I used must have been unsigned or unofficial somehow. Anyone help me out? With the megaupload thing it seems all the links around here have dried up. Thanks!
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DruKe said:
I did try an RUU yes. I will need to try an RUU again. The one I used must have been unsigned or unofficial somehow. Anyone help me out? With the megaupload thing it seems all the links around here have dried up. Thanks!
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The unrooting Revolutionary root link in my sig has links to some PC36IMG zips that can be flashed in bootloader.
I recommend the 4.54 version. Sometimes it won't work if you're using a version that's too old, or if your SD card isn't a high capacity card or got corrupted somehow.

Captain_Throwback said:
The unrooting Revolutionary root link in my sig has links to some PC36IMG zips that can be flashed in bootloader.
I recommend the 4.54 version. Sometimes it won't work if you're using a version that's too old, or if your SD card isn't a high capacity card or got corrupted somehow.
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4.54 RUU or PC36IMG is the most likely to work, however, 4.24 and 4.53 contain the same HBOOT needed for Revolutionary to work again as well.
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shortydoggg said:
4.54 RUU or PC36IMG is the most likely to work, however, 4.24 and 4.53 contain the same HBOOT needed for Revolutionary to work again as well.
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Of course, but my recommendation was referring to the ones posted in the link .

I tried grabbing the 4.54 version from you post however the link to it is dead.
Got dropbox?

DruKe said:
I tried grabbing the 4.54 version from you post however the link to it is dead.
Got dropbox?
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It shouldn't be - I refreshed those links earlier today and changed them to 4shared. When did you last try?

So weird.. works now! Thanks a ton! I'll give it a shot this weekend. Hopefully everything goes aces!
Thanks again.