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I just seen a demo/preview of the Windows 7 Mobile Operating System and I must say it looks very nice (take a look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IOTrqlz4jo)
I am curious if it could be used on the TP2/Tilt2 devices once its release in November?? If so, I am very excited.
Does anyone have any insight on this??
Thanks!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611052
Until we can get a working version of 7 Series, I find this discussion pointless.
All we know is from one conference, and a bunch of videos demoing it.
From what we were told at the recent conference:
- Needs capacitative screen for multi-touch with at least four points of touch
- Needs 1Ghz processor or equivalent (the demo device had a Snapdragon)
- Accelerometer
- 5-mega-pixel camera
- FM Radio
- WVGA screen (480×800 not mentioned as a requirement, only WVGA)
- Every phone will have a Bing (search) button, Start button, and a back button.
What the Touch Pro2 is lacking:
- The 1Ghz speed
- Capacitative screen
- 5-mega-pixel camera
My guess is that it will not be a complete rewrite as history has shown time and time again. The restive screen code might still be there for some smart person to re-enable but I highly doubt that all the features of the OS will work through resistive. Also the screen size has not been listed as a requirement, only WVGA was stated. I know all current WVGA devices have a resolution of 480x800 but higher resolutions exist on paper. So at 480x800, is that enough?
My final thoughts: many will try but the screen and over all speed will be a major issue to deal with. If it does get ported to the TP2, the over all experience will be poor enough to fall back to a 6 Series OS.
i dont think it will be well received. it doesnt look like it runs any current windows mobile apps.
From looking at that youtube vid who cares if you can run it on a TP2! Why would I want to ?
Not very impressive. What's the bet it's the same old thing with a different gui ?
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From looking at that youtube vid who cares if you can run it on a TP2! Why would I want to ?
Not very impressive. What's the bet it's the same old thing with a different gui ?
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I couldn't help watching it and thinking "I don't see anything yet that I'm willing to pay $600 for." It looks nice, but I say wait and see how Microsoft turns it into a pile of crap...
Hey, maybe it'll come with glasses and be in 3D. Seems unlikely though.
If you want to make money short Microsoft (IMO)
I have to say I'm 309% underwhelmed by what I've seen so far of this new ZunePho.....uh, "Windows Series Mobile 7 Set Phone Type...7" wtf ever
I doubt very much that Windows Phone 7 Series will come to any older devices excpet for possibly the HTC HD2.
A big part is it requires a GPU for the animation, and unless WP7S has drivers for the TP2 (if the GPU is even good enough) your not gonna get anywhere.
Also Capacitive will be a stumbling block. There will be plenty of new phones out that will run it very well. So it will be a perfect time to upgrade to a CPU that is atleast 1Ghz.
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I have to say I'm 309% underwhelmed by what I've seen so far of this new ZunePho.....uh, "Windows Series Mobile 7 Set Phone Type...7" wtf ever
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What the hell are you expecting, really?
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What the hell are you expecting, really?
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multitasking
(next we're going to find out there's no copy + paste either)
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multitasking
(next we're going to find out there's no copy + paste either)
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Oh yes! I was hoping I could have an iPhone while staying loyal to MS!
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Oh yes! I was hoping I could have an iPhone while staying loyal to MS!
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As you've seen, Redmond anticipated your wish, and officially granted it a few days ago lol.
I should probably state my position on this a little better than I first did:
While I don't argue that this new OS is indeed advanced (perhaps even revolutionary), and seems quite capable at what it does...I still feel strongly that this is not the spiritual successor to the current evolutionary path of the windows mobile platform. I know that's why they played semantics with the marketing name, tagging it with the "7" as if it was the next logical step from 6.5...when in reality it's only a timely branding tie-in to the success of the desktop 7.
Let me put it this way...if the desktop 7 had been a flop, they would have called this new gadget The ZunePhone, because it's that much more than it is WinMo7.
Can I see a show of hands for who else is seriously concerned that what we love most about WM is not likely to be around for very much longer...? I know there's been remarks made that 6.5+ will still be supported, developed for, etc...but until I see some confirmed roadmaps and such, I still think the natural life expectancy of my platform of choice looks a lot more finite than it did a little over a week ago.
EDIT: Right after I wrote that, I found some news that makes me feel a little better about some of this
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EDIT: Right after I wrote that, I found some news that makes me feel a little better about some of this
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"Windows Phone Classic" Well...better than nothing.
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"Windows Phone Classic" Well...better than nothing.
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Yes, we're now like the AM radio of the mobile phone world.
"Doesn't gramps still have his Windows Phone Classic..phone?" "Yeah he keeps it in the box under his bed with his baseball cards and war medals"
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Yes, we're now like the AM radio of the mobile phone world.
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Actually, I'm old enough to think of a different comparison:
Years ago Coke came out with "New Coke" with a new taste -- more like Pepsi...and the backlash was so strong that they had to bring back the original recipe as "Coke Classic" in parallel with New Coke.
Unfortunately, I think MS is trying to attract the majority of potential customers who don't [think they] like WM...so they're coming out with something that's not WM.
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im more excited about getting android on my phone.
what was the point of the windows mobile marketplace and 6.5.x and all that if they where going to ditch everything about windows mobile and start a new? (remind anyone of palm?)
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Yeah, I suppose expecting innovation from a massive dinosaur like MS is asking a bit much.
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Yeah, I suppose expecting innovation from a massive dinosaur like MS is asking a bit much.
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What would innovation be? If you want phones with simple interfaces, macforums.com can accommodate your needs.
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I'm pretty sure that you'll be able to do this, from what I've read already. Plus, think about what you mean when it comes to multitasking because it means different things to different people.
STOP BELIEVING things that have no evidence behind them.
MS has NOT said that multitasking won't exist.
MS has NOT said that backwards compatibility won't exist.
MS has NOT said much more than the little said earlier this week. Stop believe what WMexperts has told you, it turns out MS was just taking you for a ride with those rumors.
Stop being an idiot and wait and see what happens when it comes to the release date.
You guys are basing your opinions on what you saw 8 months before the actual release of the product. THINK ABOUT IT. Just because your dumbass thinks this and that about a premature product, doesn't mean anything. STOP jumping to conclusions. It's really making you look dumb. MS is not going to sit there demoing a new product and talk about copy and paste. Why would they? Ohhhh, because SOOOOOO many people care about that in the world. I appreciate copy and paste and backwards compatibility just as everyone else does, but the truth of the matter is, you just don't know anything about Windows Phone 7.
what is microsoft trying to do? trying to create a lost hype for windows phone 7? well, you can say that... microsoft is saying that it will gift its each 90000+ employees a windows phone 7 device. everything is detailed over here
funny things are happening, like the myphone changed to windows phone live..
How is it lost hype when it's not even officially launched, and there was no hype apart from in tech blogs and such?
They are also encouraging their 90,000+ employees to build Windows Phone 7 apps in their spare time, so I think it can only do good for the Marketplace!
Don't see nothing wrong with it. Its good business practice, and also says MS believes in their product.
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Sounds like a good idea to me to ensure that there are "xx thousand devices out there on launch day". Well, lets face it, there won't be queues around street corners for one of these like the iPhone will there!
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Sounds like a good idea to me to ensure that there are "xx thousand devices out there on launch day". Well, lets face it, there won't be queues around street corners for one of these like the iPhone will there!
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Will be for me at least
I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer here (I LOVE my LG Quantum!)--but I do find it tough to convince people to get a Windows Phone over, say, an Android Phone or iPhone. I know there are several reasons behind this at the current stage of the game (lack of popular apps in comparison to iPhone/Android, pre-Mango APIs are lacking, missing what's now perceived to be "basic" functionality like cut-and-paste pre-NoDo, etc.), but let's think like a high school teenager for a moment here--validation is more important than individuality to many of them.
iPhone is hip
Android is hip
Windows Phone...not so much. If anything, "Windows" screams "geek." Should it have been called the Zune Phone? The X-Phone (similar to the XBox)?
Now I could be wrong about this hypothesis here, but in the off-chance that I'm not...how should Microsoft overcome this? Their partnership with Nokia may be a good start--the Nokia name pre-iPhone was fairly popular. At least this saves them from having to rename the phone altogether. People may be calling them "Nokia phones" instead of "Windows phone," even if some Nokia phones in two years may still use Symbian...
Thoughts?
I don't think anyone thinks Android is "hip" do they?
Many people I've spoken to have heard bad things about Windows Mobile and won't believe that Windows Phone is any different. Microsoft probably should have used a different brand name, but they'll pull back. The Nokia handsets will change everything.
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I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer here (I LOVE my LG Quantum!)--but I do find it tough to convince people to get a Windows Phone over, say, an Android Phone or iPhone. I know there are several reasons behind this at the current stage of the game (lack of popular apps in comparison to iPhone/Android, pre-Mango APIs are lacking, missing what's now perceived to be "basic" functionality like cut-and-paste pre-NoDo, etc.), but let's think like a high school teenager for a moment here--validation is more important than individuality to many of them.
iPhone is hip
Android is hip
Windows Phone...not so much. If anything, "Windows" screams "geek." Should it have been called the Zune Phone? The X-Phone (similar to the XBox)?
Now I could be wrong about this hypothesis here, but in the off-chance that I'm not...how should Microsoft overcome this? Their partnership with Nokia may be a good start--the Nokia name pre-iPhone was fairly popular. At least this saves them from having to rename the phone altogether. People may be calling them "Nokia phones" instead of "Windows phone," even if some Nokia phones in two years may still use Symbian...
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All I can say is, ever since Gates left, Windows has taken a turn for the better. Windows 7 is cleaner and more elegant than MacOS, is more feature laden and seems to be trouble-free. If anything, I would think the Windows name would be a positive for WP7. And WP7 is the most elegant mobile OS I've ever used.
There may be some people who are down on Windows, but I doubt that many. iPhone is just a super popular phone and the great many just prefer it. There's a reason companies always like being the first on the scene. iPhone shows why. It's same way with anything in the market...from food to cars. The first always gains the most share and loyal following.
Microsoft needs to innovate and get to market with something so unique that it is the first of its kind...that is being desired by many. It can't be simply a new smartphone. The iPhone has that locked down. It has to be a new type of phone. If MS can figure one out with WP7, they will have a new iPhone on their hands.
reminds me of this article over on zdnet by Matt Miller
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phon...-windows-phone-7/6011?tag=mantle_skin;content
in my opinion, yes
when people see my phone, they almost always ask "android?" and when I say "no, windows phone" the look I get is almost always the same, a cross between surprise and disintrest
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All I can say is, ever since Gates left, Windows has taken a turn for the better. Windows 7 is cleaner and more elegant than MacOS, is more feature laden and seems to be trouble-free. If anything, I would think the Windows name would be a positive for WP7. And WP7 is the most elegant mobile OS I've ever used.
WTF! You do know, that they were developing Windows 7 before Gates left?
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MartyLK said:
All I can say is, ever since Gates left, Windows has taken a turn for the better. Windows 7 is cleaner and more elegant than MacOS, is more feature laden and seems to be trouble-free. If anything, I would think the Windows name would be a positive for WP7. And WP7 is the most elegant mobile OS I've ever used.
WTF! You do know, that they were developing Windows 7 before Gates left?
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They also had Vista when Gates was there. They also had Millennium Edition and a few other horrors. They also had WinXP Pro 64.
The point is, Win7 is the best and Gates is gone.
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They weren't developing W7 when gates was there it was Longhorn\Vista
You guys really don't have a clue. Research before posting, please.
Just Google or Bing, Gates and Windows 7.
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The Nokia handsets will change everything.
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look, folks need a simple, solid choice. another phone from another manufacturer isn't going to change anything. microsoft is moving too slow. an update "in six months or so" doesn't cut it anymore.
they need to up the game.
So the topic is about Windows 7 and Gates?
Whatever. Gates is gone. WP7 is A/G. That's important.
And, I think that "windows" is turning people away. They should've called it ZuneOS. Or something like that. The magical brand of "windows" is not magical at all. I would like to call it Zune Phone. Or even maybe another name. Simple and cleaner.
I think it is somehow. It's easier to convince someone to try Bing rather than Windows Live Search isn't it?
Same applies to the phone, their marketing team could have come up with something if they had wanted that. And please, X-phone? Is that a phone for 12 year olds? The Xbox name would have been worse that Windows.
Ultimately once there are great phones, the phones name will do the job rather than the OS name. You don't usually talk about an android phone in everyday life, you talk about a HTC Desire, Nexus S, Samsung Galaxy S2, etc.
Actually, when you speak with someone about your phone, they usually ask "Is it Android?".
So, yes, it makes difference.
Windows mobile 6.5, windows phone 7, windows 7, windows phone 7.
Microsoft has some issues with brand identity here for sure. It sounds like WP7 is a continuation of 6.5, but it aint. It sounds like WP7 is somehow related to Windows 7; it aint. They probably screwed the pooch on the naming game, but hopefully as the OS continues to mature and develop it will garner due recognition for it's merrits.
When I first got my WP7, my buddy at work appeared to feel betrayed. He said "I thought you were moving to Android (I had WM6.5 before). I think it definatly does come into play. People that know a bit about smart phones will always tell you that "Windows Mobile was a bad system". No one seems to realise that WM became very good by the end of its life.
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Windows mobile 6.5, windows phone 7, windows 7, windows phone 7.
Microsoft has some issues with brand identity here for sure. It sounds like WP7 is a continuation of 6.5, but it aint. It sounds like WP7 is somehow related to Windows 7; it aint. They probably screwed the pooch on the naming game, but hopefully as the OS continues to mature and develop it will garner due recognition for it's merrits.
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Maybe once Mango is out, I will just call my phone a "Mango Phone". I'll see how that works
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Maybe once Mango is out, I will just call my phone a "Mango Phone". I'll see how that works
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I was thinking about that.. If everyone starts to change it's name to another.. Like, everyone I really means EVERYONE. Even blogs. Instead calling it "Windows Phone", call it, IDK, maybe your 'Mango Phone'. Microsoft would have to adopt the name. Windows Phone could be just the OS. WP7/7.1 OS.
To me, it would be something related to Zune.
I think that eye candy also has a lot to do with it especially for the younger generation. When I think of andriod I see the HTC sense screen, wp7 is basically 2 colors(simple and plain) when you first turn on both devices. Something like http://jozefkocur.blogspot.com/ would appeal more, even with the same base colors that are there now.
I know that if I went with andriod I could get everything on it I wanted, how much I would end up paying(dont wanna pay for apps) and how long it would take to find them all is another story. Where as with wp7 there have only been a few apps that I would add for functionality after mango, all free, and a few others items that I would deal with.
Advertising would help more as mango gets closer, I see more ads for Andriod than wp7, there are items in it that need to be out there for the ave dumb joe that doesnt research, they just pick up whatever is pretty, hot and has cool features shoved in their face.
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I think that eye candy also has a lot to do with it especially for the younger generation. When I think of andriod I see the HTC sense screen, wp7 is basically 2 colors(simple and plain) when you first turn on both devices. Something like http://jozefkocur.blogspot.com/ would appeal more, even with the same base colors that are there now.
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That Aero theme is just amazing, yet very simple. Easy to appeal to more customers with that indeed.
Wow!
MS should really do this way! And the another concept too, about multitasking. Better than Mango's.
Reasons why Windows over Android.
1. When you have a storage card in the phone, you can explore all the folders just like on your Home PC. On an Android phone, it's hard to find anything on the storage card. If there was a program that would let you search just as if you were on a Windows Phone, then I might think differently.
2. Just the feel of the OS is a lot different than on any Windows Phone. Windows Phones are closely to being an extension of your Home Windows PC.
3. With all of the Apps that have been out on All of the different Market Places, Android has had Thousands of Apps pulled from the Android Market because of Viruses, Worms, Trogen Horses, Key Loggers, & other reasons. On the Windows Market Place, there either have been none or so little that have been removed, that there has not been so much as a whisper about it. Microsoft has kept a very tight reign on it's Quality Control and that's why there either has been none or extremely little problems with the Apps on the Windows Market place.
There are probably quite a few more reasons why, but these are the reasons that get to me the most.
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Reasons why Windows over Android.
1. When you have a storage card in the phone, you can explore all the folders just like on your Home PC. On an Android phone, it's hard to find anything on the storage card. If there was a program that would let you search just as if you were on a Windows Phone, then I might think differently.
2. Just the feel of the OS is a lot different than on any Windows Phone. Windows Phones are closely to being an extension of your Home Windows PC.
3. With all of the Apps that have been out on All of the different Market Places, Android has had Thousands of Apps pulled from the Android Market because of Viruses, Worms, Trogen Horses, Key Loggers, & other reasons. On the Windows Market Place, there either have been none or so little that have been removed, that there has not been so much as a whisper about it. Microsoft has kept a very tight reign on it's Quality Control and that's why there either has been none or extremely little problems with the Apps on the Windows Market place.
There are probably quite a few more reasons why, but these are the reasons that get to me the most.
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Your information is not accurate.
Windows Phone does not support Storage Cards or the exploration of them.
Windows Phone looks nothing like Windows.
I think you have confused Windows Phone and Windows Mobile.
There is a big difference. This section is related to Windows Phone 7. The OS with Live Tiles.
This thread should be closed.
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Windows Phone looks nothing like Windows.
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Windows 8 brings many WP component to Windows Such as metro, WinRT, and so on.
Reasons why Windows over Android.
1. When you have a storage card in the phone, you can explore all the folders just like on your Home PC. On an Android phone, it's hard to find anything on the storage card. If there was a program that would let you search just as if you were on a Windows Phone, then I might think differently.
2. Just the feel of the OS is a lot different than on any Windows Phone. Windows Phones are closely to being an extension of your Home Windows PC.
3. With all of the Apps that have been out on All of the different Market Places, Android has had Thousands of Apps pulled from the Android Market because of Viruses, Worms, Trogen Horses, Key Loggers, & other reasons. On the Windows Market Place, there either have been none or so little that have been removed, that there has not been so much as a whisper about it. Microsoft has kept a very tight reign on it's Quality Control and that's why there either has been none or extremely little problems with the Apps on the Windows Market place.
There are probably quite a few more reasons why, but these are the reasons that get to me the most.
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Yeah.... not a single thing here is correct
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Windows 8 brings many WP component to Windows Such as metro, WinRT, and so on.
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Windows 8 isn't coming to Smartphones, only a select few tablets.
Get your info straight or don't post
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Windows 8 isn't coming to Smartphones, only a select few tablets.
Get your info straight or don't post
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He replied to a comment saying windows phone looks nothing like windows. Well, windows phone DOES look like Windows 8 (well, actually Windows 8 looks similar in areas to Windows Phone). So this was correct.
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Reasons why Windows over Android.
1. When you have a storage card in the phone, you can explore all the folders just like on your Home PC. On an Android phone, it's hard to find anything on the storage card. If there was a program that would let you search just as if you were on a Windows Phone, then I might think differently.
2. Just the feel of the OS is a lot different than on any Windows Phone. Windows Phones are closely to being an extension of your Home Windows PC.
3. With all of the Apps that have been out on All of the different Market Places, Android has had Thousands of Apps pulled from the Android Market because of Viruses, Worms, Trogen Horses, Key Loggers, & other reasons. On the Windows Market Place, there either have been none or so little that have been removed, that there has not been so much as a whisper about it. Microsoft has kept a very tight reign on it's Quality Control and that's why there either has been none or extremely little problems with the Apps on the Windows Market place.
There are probably quite a few more reasons why, but these are the reasons that get to me the most.
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what a hilarious way to start a day of drinking at home. awesome. thanks !
Android FTW.
Lmao!!!!
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Windows FTW!!!
To be fair, point 2 will be correct next year
Windows phone is garbage quit making these posts trying to convince yourself otherwise.
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xsteven77x said:
Windows phone is garbage quit making these posts trying to convince yourself otherwise.
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Think maybe lately Android forums are just too bored for droid's friend
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Windows phone is garbage quit making these posts trying to convince yourself otherwise.
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so boring that you're coming to our section since you hate it that much
Give it a year, I bet wp7 is going to grow substantially over the next little while
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Windows phone is garbage quit making these posts trying to convince yourself otherwise.
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How the heck Trolls like these go un-noticed by the mods?
Clearly the bugger needs to limit his posts where his knowledge is valuable and useful - the android forums.
God give him grace and sympathy.
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To be fair, point 2 will be correct next year
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Let's bring some light to "next year":
Linux on the desktop will be perfect, next year.
The economy will be better, next year.
Wp7 will have all the features, and bugs fixed, next year.
I'll repaint the fence, next year.
Just a perspective, that's all.
are you high?
Reason #1 WP7>Android
As of right now CIQ has not been found on any of the WP7 devices....lets just hope it stays that way.
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As of right now CIQ has not been found on any of the WP7 devices....lets just hope it stays that way.
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root means not worrying about ciq..... oh wait, ciq IS root... this whole computing thing is so confuzzling !
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root means not worrying about ciq..... oh wait, ciq IS root... this whole computing thing is so confuzzling !
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Thats all fine and well for someone who actually knows how to root their phone etc etc...for the average end user not so much
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Research from Kantar WorldPanel on Tuesday showed Android gaining share strongly in most of seven major markets - Australia, Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and the United States - in the 12 weeks to mid April.
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Windows' share in Germany more than doubled to 6 percent over the past year, and climbed to 3-4 percent in Britain, France, Italy and the United States.
These gains came at the expense of Nokia's Symbian platform and Canadian BlackBerry maker Research In Motion, the biggest market share losers. RIM's share in the U.S. market dropped to just 3 percent from 9 percent a year earlier.
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We do not know if that is all Windows platforms, or only Windows Phone. Previous share numbers put Windows phone at 2% so maybe that is only Windows Phone. But no matter how you spin it, Nokia has made some kind of impact with the Lumia series. And the Germany numbers would not include the Lumia 900 either.
Windows Phone is gaining momentum! One day, sometime in the future, the forum will no longer have to be ridiculed for poor sales numbers. I wonder what will be the next reason why not to own a Windows Phone?
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Windows Phone is gaining momentum! One day, sometime in the future, the forum will no longer have to be ridiculed for poor sales numbers. I wonder what will be the next reason why not to own a Windows Phone?
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Itz no open source, evil! It can't play Crash Bandicoot!1
And more.
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Itz no open source, evil!
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So is iPhone.
I'm not trying to be illogical, But the experience I have with my window phone (Mozart 7) is far better than what I had with any Android phone.
Although Windows Phone still has a long way to go (mainly apps in marketplace are not comparable to Apple/Android market figures) But I think WP will be a real competitor for iPhone/Android in near future.
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So is iPhone.
I'm not trying to be illogical, But the experience I have with my window phone (Mozart 7) is far better than what I had with any Android phone.
Although Windows Phone still has a long way to go (mainly apps in marketplace are not comparable to Apple/Android market figures) But I think WP will be a real competitor for iPhone/Android in near future.
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I think he was sarcastic.
No normal user should care about opensourceness.
Most of the programs I like more are closed source.
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I think he was sarcastic.
No normal user should care about opensourceness.
Most of the programs I like more are closed source.
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That's it, sarcasm that is also, most people don't know that Android isn't really open source: you can't access the repositories on which gdevs are working. Also, nobody ever gives a crap about bug reports/feature requests, and most issue are left pending and unaddressed. The AOSP project is ran in a not so opened source after all: the code shared is generally partial and you have no access whatsoever to what is actually worked on. Chrome, for example, is instead an open source project, and is actually ran as such. Too bad it sucks because it's a resource whore, despite being probably the fastest guy in town. However I agree, most of my favourite programs are closed source too. Woops, this is very off topic btw
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We do not know if that is all Windows platforms, or only Windows Phone. Previous share numbers put Windows phone at 2% so maybe that is only Windows Phone. But no matter how you spin it, Nokia has made some kind of impact with the Lumia series. And the Germany numbers would not include the Lumia 900 either.
Windows Phone is gaining momentum! One day, sometime in the future, the forum will no longer have to be ridiculed for poor sales numbers. I wonder what will be the next reason why not to own a Windows Phone?
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Interesting stuff in the comments from your link:
(Reuters) – Nokia launched two low-end cellphones on Tuesday, aiming to regain its footing in emerging markets.
Operating system: Symbian Series 40
Windows Phone market share is so tiny, Nielsen doesn’t even list it “The bad news for Windows Phone market share continues: In a recent report, Windows Phone market share was so small in the U.S. that the well-known research firm Nielsen didn’t even bother to break out its usage,” Preston Gralla reports for Computerworld. (Friday, March 30, 2012)
Could Linux still usurp Windows Phone as Nokia’s saviour?
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/eu...ill-usurp-windows-phone-as-nokias-saviour/560
Elsop told a group of engineers in Berlin last year that the goal is once again to “find that next big thing that blows away Apple, Android, and everything we’re doing with Microsoft right now, and makes it irrelevant – all of it. So go for it, without having to worry about saving Nokia’s rear end in the next 12 months. I’ve taken off the handcuffs.” The product in development is known as Meltemi, a Linux-based OS, which was referenced in a memo leaked to the The Wall Street Journal last year.
Honestly I don't even care that much about WP7 anymore...I mean (don't get me wrong) I don't want it to die because I really like it and it's the perfect fit for me now. What really matters to me now tho is that with this Lumia phone I'm in love with Nokia back again. I don't even care about apps anymore, as far as I have a functional phone with a good browser and a twitter client I'm more than fine. If Nokia keeps making WP devices with Lumia like quality and above then good, I'll buy them, if Nokia starts making N9 like Linux based devices I'll buy them as well, maybe I'd like them even more. Just gimme Nokia phones please, I'm hooked. Hopefully I'm not the only one...
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We can only hope that more people come to understand the ease of use of wp, the message will spread more quickly.
Window Phones just overtakes iPhone marketshare in China.
http://www.gsmarena.com/wp_reportedly_overtakes_iphone_in_china_with_7_of_market-news-4268.php
I see a lot more people with windows phones these days than I did before Nokia released their windows phone.
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Hey guys, just came here as I've been using an LG Optimus 7 for about a week now. Now I don't want to get into any arguments, I just want to share my thoughts.
I personally am not a fan of WP7 (actually that's a massive understatement). I have no doubt that for some users it's just fine, but not me. I'm an Android user and the reason I'm using this phone right now is because I'm in between phones and this is a work phone.
For me, there are too many UI and UX idiosyncrasies for me to be able to like WP7. The tiles are an interesting approach, but on a small screen device it fails. It feels very claustrophobic for me; as if you're looking at a large sheet of paper but only have a small window to look through.
The lock screen leaves something to be desired also. I'm disappointed that a pin password is the only way to password protect your phone. I miss pattern unlock.
The keyboard, while good at autocorrect, cannot compare to Swype, which I also miss dearly. I absolutely loath tapping on a virtual keyboard now that I've been using Swype for over a year.
Please take no offence to this but if I had to describe WP7 it would be a very advanced feature phone, or a very simple smartphone. And by "simple" I don't mean easy to use, I mean limited functionality. Random example: In the browser, when I find a phone number online, I cannot just click on it and choose to automatically call it like on Android. Furthermore, I cannot even copy the text on the website and paste it into the dialing app like on Android. So I'm forced to either memorize the number or jot it down on a piece of paper and then recite it in the dialing app. Not very "smartphone-ish". People talk about how Android is only for "advanced users" but in all seriousness Android does most of, if not all, the simple things much more intuitively than any other device (IMO).
If I had to say one thing that my WP7 device did well, was Bluetooth connection and syncing with my F150's radio. But then again, that's a Microsoft Sync product, so I would expect no less. Edit: Oh, and voice commands. It actually does voice commands fairly nicely without any extra software.
But I would like to hear from everyone else, explicitly what they like about WP7 over iPhone or Android (we're not including Blackberry, why bother.).
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I personally am not a fan of WP7 (actually that's a massive understatement).
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I'm an Android user...
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I'm curious. I don't go over the the Andriod forums since I'm exclusively a Windows Phone user at the moment. Do you guys have a lot of Windows Phone users coming over there and thread crapping?
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For me, there are too many UI and UX idiosyncrasies for me to be able to like WP7.
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That's why there are multiple OS. It is impossible to make an OS that EVERYONE will love. Most people who sit down and look at all the major OS interfaces agree that the Windows Phone interface is clean and easy to read compared to others.
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The tiles are an interesting approach, but on a small screen device it fails.
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If you feel constricted buy a bigger screen. Windows Phone devices come in a variety of sizes. There is even rumored to be a Galaxy Note in the works.
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I'm disappointed that a pin password is the only way to password protect your phone. I miss pattern unlock.
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Billions of people have lived just fine with pin unlock. Furthermore I see no reason why a future iteration of Windows Phone wouldn't have pattern unlock. A whole new OS is about to drop in <1 year. At this stage there is no way of knowing what Windows Phone will and will not have in 6-8 months.
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Please take no offence...
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No one is offended we are just curios why seemingly happy Andriod users feel the need to continual thread crap in our forum. I have never had any need to post in an Andriod forum. Do you get the feeling one of us is insecure?
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Please take no offence to this but if I had to describe WP7 it would be a very advanced feature phone, or a very simple smartphone. And by "simple" I don't mean easy to use, I mean limited functionality. Random example: In the browser, when I find a phone number online, I cannot just click on it and choose to automatically call it like on Android. Furthermore, I cannot even copy the text on the website and paste it into the dialing app like on Android. So I'm forced to either memorize the number or jot it down on a piece of paper and then recite it in the dialing app. Not very "smartphone-ish". People talk about how Android is only for "advanced users" but in all seriousness Android does most of, if not all, the simple things much more intuitively than any other device (IMO).
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Windows Phone is a newer operating system and functionality is being added incrementally. A whole new OS is going to drop in <1 yr. Your post is going to look silly in a matter of months. I like the Windows Phone OS. I like the hardware. I like the fact that my Lumia 900 works smoothly out of the box with no tweaks. I don't have to brag about how many cores it has because it doesn't matter. When I see an Andriod phone with twice the number of cores doing its stutter and lag routine I don't feel bad for the owner.
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I'm curious. I don't go over the the Andriod forums since I'm exclusively a Windows Phone user at the moment. Do you guys have a lot of Windows Phone users coming over there and thread crapping?
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I can't speak for other users out there. Frankly, they just sound like trolls. That's not at all what I'm doing here. I have genuinely been using a Windows Phone exclusively for a week and I wanted to dig in to some of the forums to see what kind of tweaks or hints I can find, and then I found this thread. So I'm not just a random Android Fanboy coming here to "thread crap".
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I like the fact that my Lumia 900 works smoothly out of the box with no tweaks. I don't have to brag about how many cores it has because it doesn't matter. When I see an Andriod phone with twice the number of cores doing its stutter and lag routine I don't feel bad for the owner.
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My Android phone (the one being repaired) has only a single core and is smooth as butter. This whole "my phone is smoother than yours" flack is nothing but non-sense. This phone I've been using has lagged on me plenty of times and I've even had plenty of iPhones lag on me also. Pointless argument.
Edit: This guy is exactly the type of person I was trying to avoid. All I wanted was the opinions of WP7 enthusiasts as to why they like their platform of choice. Not some 15 year old that can only resort to verbal attacks.
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I can't speak for other users out there. Frankly, they just sound like trolls. That's not at all what I'm doing here. I have genuinely been using a Windows Phone exclusively for a week...
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By your own admission you are an android user that is only temporarily using a work phone for a few days and not by choice. Not sure how that makes you any different from all the other Andriod users that have dropped by to say hi.
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My Android phone (the one being repaired) has only a single core and is smooth as butter.
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The whole "core" thing was me just making fun of the Andriod conversations I've accidentally stumble across. This forum is littered with them. Windows Phone just takes a different approach to the whole smartphone thing in a number of ways. I wouldn't expect a committed Android user to pick up on the differences let alone appreciate them in a handful of days especially if he was involuntarily forced to use Windows Phone.
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Wow, dude. Just wow....
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We could say the same thing about you. How many Andriod vs Windows Phone threads have to be locked by the mods before Andriod users get the message?
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Edit: This guy is exactly the type of person I was trying to avoid...
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A Windows Phone 7 forum is an odd place to hide out from Windows Phone users.
Bottom line, A whole new OS is going to drop in <1yr. You have just wasted your time and our time critiquing a bunch of issues that may very well be moot in a matter of months. Unlike you we didn't have our Windows Phones forced on us for a few days. We made a conscious decision after evaluating our options to buy the phone we felt would best suit our needs for the next 2 years.
I don't like Andriod and I don't like iOS. But I don't go to those forums and start telling everyone who owns the phone my opinion. A lot of the decision regarding what phone someone ultimately ends up using is subjective. All OSes have pros and cons. I could easily cherry pick a few pros and cons and post over in the Andriod forum. I don't and there is a reason for that.
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Hey guys, just came here as I've been using an LG Optimus 7 for about a week now. Now I don't want to get into any arguments, I just want to share my thoughts.
I personally am not a fan of WP7 (actually that's a massive understatement). I have no doubt that for some users it's just fine, but not me. I'm an Android user and the reason I'm using this phone right now is because I'm in between phones and this is a work phone.
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And in general there is absolutely no problem with that in the Windows Phone forum.
I can see why Metro UI would not be appealing to everyone. I personally find it to be less attractive than what Android can be with all the custom roms, but more useable than any OS on the market. It is the perfect blend of simplicity and functionality and i have owned an iPhone and owned/used quite a few different Android phones from different OEMs.
Sitizenx is being a little blunt. Well alot blunt But I want to let you know where Sit is coming from:
"Windows Phone is dead"
"Marketshare/Sales are pathetic"
"Apps are missing/inferior/overpriced"
"Hardware is a joke"
It is that last one that is the motivation behind his self-pleasuring retort. Out of curiousity, which single core Android phone did you use that was smooth? Nexus S? i am sure there are smooth droids out there, but there are quite a few that just are not and it is laughable based on the hardware that goes into some of there phones.
But it is quite okay for you to not like Windows Phone. Some of your issues can be resolved, some also apply to the iPhone (swype, pattern unlock).
Btw, that borrowed data parsing feature to recognize emails/numbers and pick the appropriate task is what got HTC banned
This whole bashing on Windows Phone, or iOS or whatever is such a waste of time and energy. I can think of a dozen things off the bat to be more constructive with. We really need to get off this "fanboy" mentality.
To each his/her own. Master your domain and work within it if you enjoy it. Simple.
Just MHO.
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In the browser, when I find a phone number online, I cannot just click on it and choose to automatically call it like on Android. Furthermore, I cannot even copy the text on the website and paste it into the dialing app like on Android.
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That's a patent issue. Microsoft is forced to leave this feature out of WP7. You can thank Apple for that.
And why should be a pattern unlock better/safer? I find it easier to memorize a pattern when someone unlocks his phone.
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This whole bashing on Windows Phone, or iOS or whatever is such a waste of time and energy. I can think of a dozen things off the bat to be more constructive with. We really need to get off this "fanboy" mentality.
To each his/her own. Master your domain and work within it if you enjoy it. Simple.
Just MHO.
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For a first timer, you have a mighty good outlook Good to see. Welcome to the forums.
Let's not get too side-tracked in here, quit the baiting, and get back on-topic
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Hey guys, just came here as I've been using an LG Optimus 7 for about a week now. Now I don't want to get into any arguments, I just want to share my thoughts.
Please take no offence to this but if I had to describe WP7 it would be a very advanced feature phone, or a very simple smartphone. And by "simple" I don't mean easy to use, I mean limited functionality. Random example: In the browser, when I find a phone number online, I cannot just click on it and choose to automatically call it like on Android. Furthermore, I cannot even copy the text on the website and paste it into the dialing app like on Android. So I'm forced to either memorize the number or jot it down on a piece of paper and then recite it in the dialing app. Not very "smartphone-ish". People talk about how Android is only for "advanced users" but in all seriousness Android does most of, if not all, the simple things much more intuitively than any other device (IMO).
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Just with reference to your example there... that is not a limitation of Windows Phone... that's a limitation in the default settings for Canada specifically. I'm in Canada with a Samsung Focus (also on Telus) and I can click on phone and street addresses in the web browser to have them open in the dialer or map program on Windows Phone. You just have to go into "Settings/Region+Language" and set your "Region format" to "English (United States)". You should then have clickable links for telephone numbers and street addresses. While you're there, change your "Browser and search language" to "English (United States)" to enable local scout in Canada.
The limitation on copy/pasting a number into the dialer is a legitimate gripe - copying the number is easy, but there is no paste option from the dialer.
cbstryker said:
Hey guys, just came here as I've been using an LG Optimus 7 for about a week now. Now I don't want to get into any arguments, I just want to share my thoughts.
I personally am not a fan of WP7 (actually that's a massive understatement). I have no doubt that for some users it's just fine, but not me. I'm an Android user and the reason I'm using this phone right now is because I'm in between phones and this is a work phone.
For me, there are too many UI and UX idiosyncrasies for me to be able to like WP7. The tiles are an interesting approach, but on a small screen device it fails. It feels very claustrophobic for me; as if you're looking at a large sheet of paper but only have a small window to look through.
The lock screen leaves something to be desired also. I'm disappointed that a pin password is the only way to password protect your phone. I miss pattern unlock.
The keyboard, while good at autocorrect, cannot compare to Swype, which I also miss dearly. I absolutely loath tapping on a virtual keyboard now that I've been using Swype for over a year.
Please take no offence to this but if I had to describe WP7 it would be a very advanced feature phone, or a very simple smartphone. And by "simple" I don't mean easy to use, I mean limited functionality. Random example: In the browser, when I find a phone number online, I cannot just click on it and choose to automatically call it like on Android. Furthermore, I cannot even copy the text on the website and paste it into the dialing app like on Android. So I'm forced to either memorize the number or jot it down on a piece of paper and then recite it in the dialing app. Not very "smartphone-ish". People talk about how Android is only for "advanced users" but in all seriousness Android does most of, if not all, the simple things much more intuitively than any other device (IMO).
If I had to say one thing that my WP7 device did well, was Bluetooth connection and syncing with my F150's radio. But then again, that's a Microsoft Sync product, so I would expect no less. Edit: Oh, and voice commands. It actually does voice commands fairly nicely without any extra software.
But I would like to hear from everyone else, explicitly what they like about WP7 over iPhone or Android (we're not including Blackberry, why bother.).
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The simple ui, the difference of the ui, and the huge microsoft stamp on it. its lacking in hardware and app developement, but apparently folks just accept the shortcomings, or don't care.
Id imagine working the price of a phone into a ford vehicle wouldn't be difficult, surprised it hasn't happened yet.
Sitizen's comments revolve around accusations of androidfanism and the future release to be expected. Unfortunately, neither are relevant today.
The sales information is interesting though. Apparently china likes it, or there is some promotion prompting sales with very cheap devices, dunno, I don't live there.
I'm still not seeing any wp7 devices around town, bars, etc. I've never seen one in a motorcycling buddies hand. Those are alllll iphones or the latest android, for the obvious mapping and navigation reasons.