Related
Would the phone still function as a wifi device when you report it lost? If im going to pay $100 I much rather keep my current phone for wifi and testing out roms, its a rev 2 with tons of light leakage, some LCD pixel rainbow leakage near the top of the screen,a minor scratch on the screen, battery cover is warped and bent out of shape it barely stays on and theres a ding on the bottom right side.
Don't even think its worth trying to argue with radioshack that I should get a replacement under warranty instead of paying insurance $100 of my hard earned cash.
I can't stand dealing with brick n mortar employees.. they are so aggravating to negotiate with.
Also, in before Sprint employees call "FRAUD!" I think selling me a phone with so many major defects then trying to make an extra $100 off me to replace is more fraudulent.
I won't judge you!
Yes wifi will work fine.
lol, I just deleted my response to your thread in General. FYI, a mod can easily move threads around..
In response to your question:
Yes, your phone will still function as a wifi enabled device
The only possible problem would be it trying to run the Hands-Free-Activation but I think you're good if you leave it powered off for a day after you activate the new one. Also, you can avoid that possibility all together if you put CM on it. Sprint can't activate AOSP builds on their network. I've had to flash back to Sense builds 3 times to get phones switched around between my Sprint account and my Dad's.
Why doesn't everyone do this to have an extra wifi device? Oh, that is why they cost 600 bucks to buy outright.... that's right.
In your situation i see no problem and won't judge.
Everyone else who sees this thread and does it just because they want to browse porn on their couch is what aggravates me.
skydeaner said:
Why doesn't everyone do this to have an extra wifi device? Oh, that is why they cost 600 bucks to buy outright.... that's right.
In your situation i see no problem and won't judge.
Everyone else who sees this thread and does it just because they want to browse porn on their couch is what aggravates me.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Agreed, the OP doesn't seem to be a crook. I think his logic is pretty sound but the only difference between him and someone doing this for fraudulent personal gain is intent..
I want to offer an opinion about the price point for these phones. Working in the heart of an international company (the third largest in our industry) I am of the opinion that the $600 price point has no relation to the people that commit fraud to get new phones for whatever reason. The price of the phone is $600 because that's what the brilliant business analysts at Sprint, HTC, or whatever consulting group they contracted told Sprint is the sweet spot between profitability and perceived value in the consumers mind, coupled with the subsidized price of $200 with a 24 mo contract. They could sell these phones for $300 and make a diminished profit, or they could sell them for $800 a pop but end up selling half as many.
The price points are built to take a predictable percentage of fraudulent claims in to account. I AM NOT ADVOCATING FRAUD!! I am only suggesting that if no one committed fraud and got free phones or kept "lost or stolen" replacements for WiFi enabled backups.. the price would still be $600. The difference is Sprint, HTC and Asurion would make a greater profit margin.
Again, I am NOT ADVOCATIN FRAUD. If you are a thief then you don't deserve to own an EVO. But I'm tired of seeing people drop the "you are the reason this is so expensive for me" line. It's just not true. It would be more accurate to say "people like you are why Dan Hesse's kid has to settle for a Gallardo when he really wanted a McLaren F1". I do not feel sorry for Dan's kids.. at all.
it likely has little to do with the price of the phone but it certainly has to do with the price you have to pay azurian for the replacement.
while you may not be selling it reporting it lost/stolen is still fraud(as it is not lost or stolen and you are reporting it that way specifically with the intent to keep the existing phone). i wont judge just saying fraud is fraud at least accept the facts.
I also wouldnt be posting your intent to fraud on a public forum but that's just me. chances are nothing will ever happen but if you are the one sucker they catch they can easily track the post back.
nebenezer said:
lol, I just deleted my response to your thread in General. FYI, a mod can easily move threads around..
In response to your question:
Yes, your phone will still function as a wifi enabled device
The only possible problem would be it trying to run the Hands-Free-Activation but I think you're good if you leave it powered off for a day after you activate the new one. Also, you can avoid that possibility all together if you put CM on it. Sprint can't activate AOSP builds on their network. I've had to flash back to Sense builds 3 times to get phones switched around between my Sprint account and my Dad's.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
awesome i love cm6 but cant use it cause it has no 4g but since my first evo will only be wifi it will be perfect, so I should flash cm6 back on then call the insurance and claim it lost?
edit: also turn off the phone untill I get my replacement a good idea too? pop the battery out?
crakerjaks said:
awesome i love cm6 but cant use it cause it has no 4g but since my first evo will only be wifi it will be perfect, so I should flash cm6 back on then call the insurance and claim it lost?
edit: also turn off the phone untill I get my replacement a good idea too? pop the battery out?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just put it in airplane mode and make sure GPS is off and I think you should be fine but pulling the battery would be the safest. Tell them its at the bottom of the lake. Then they would have zero reason to even attempt to try and do a locate on it or anything.
Take the battery out. If you can use a app to take pics from the internet I'm sure they can turn location on or find it with it turned off. My 2 cents.
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App
So, with the Nexus S officially released, I am ever so slightly jealous of only one thing: NFC. To be perfectly honest, I think my Mozart does everything else better than the latest "Google Phone", but NFC is something that I've been drooling over for probably about 3 years, having seen it all over Japanese websites/tv.
Damn it I can't wait for some sort of NFC solution for us! http://twinlinx.com/mymaxsticker.php is probably our best bet (once it comes out), but it's not the same as having the function integrated into the hardware...
Who else can't wait for NFC to really take off? ^__^
Alex
No one, I personally dont see the big deal. To be honest, never heard of it until today.
vetvito said:
No one, I personally dont see the big deal. To be honest, never heard of it until today.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
0__0
A year ago, there were 25 million people with NFC on their phones. It's beyond huge over there! I'm really surprised that you haven't heard about it! The vast majority of shops there have nfc readers at tills as well, effectively allowing you to leave your wallet at home, and only carry your phone
Damn it this excites me!
I didn't hear of it until today, either.
And neither has anyone I know.
N8ter said:
I didn't hear of it until today, either.
And neither has anyone I know.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Are there *no* NFC type services in the US at the moment? :S Not even Oyster cards like we have here in the UK for public transport? :S
^ Not that I know of, like I said earlier, never heard of it until today.
We do have several NFC services here in the US. Just nothing that is very popular nor is it outwardly billed as being NFC. Each implementer brands it with their own name.
https://www.speedpass.com/forms/frmSpHome.aspx , for example
^ I have that little thing for Exxon. That's what this is? Another form of a credit card?
In korea they use it for everything...they can use it as cash (pay for things at shops, taxis public transport) but also you can save credit cards to the chip and you can just carry your phone around and have all your bank cards on it (only works in banks and ATMs)
also in some schools they use NFCs for student ID as well..
pretty amazing tech..it's still to take off fully but still light years ahead of most other countries...
don't worry America, once apple put in an NFC in their new iphone people will get so overly excited and think Apple invented it! and everyone will use it blah blah!
I think London is thinking of replacing the oyster card for NFC, right?
i think i prefer to keep my credit card seperate from my phone... it's one thing to steal my phone, or my card... but to steal them both in 1 hit... not my cup of tea.
GenkaiMade said:
Are there *no* NFC type services in the US at the moment? :S Not even Oyster cards like we have here in the UK for public transport? :S
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Crime is more prevalent here in the USA than in Japan. With such tech on our phones and being relied upon, it's like a Christmas party for ill mannered hackers.
somethings i prefer seperate
credit card is easier to replace than a phone
if that phone gets hacked by some virus (not very likely but still) im f*cked.....
I don't see this (NFC) taking off in the U.S. anytime soon, even if it's on iPhone 5 (which I don't think it will be given Apple's penchant for great implementation and user-experience).
Before it gets adopted in the U.S. by phone manufacturers, it also has to be adopted by all of the U.S. retailers in orders to be of any real-world use. What's the likelihood of that happening within the next generation or two of smartphones?
the thing is when you get mugged, the mugger isn't gonna say you can keep your credit cards but imma steal your phone..he'll just try take the whole lot, right? any muggers care to share?
and how many times have you all been mugged?? the US must be worse than I thought!
for using credit cards on NFC I think you still need to input your pin each time anyway so i reckon it will be just as safe (if not safer) than physical credit cards..
also if you keep in mind that most phones that are coming out have phone tracking built in, i think NFC is the way forward!
hboos said:
the thing is when you get mugged, the mugger isn't gonna say you can keep your credit cards but imma steal your phone..he'll just try take the whole lot, right? any muggers care to share?
and how many times have you all been mugged?? the US must be worse than I thought!
for using credit cards on NFC I think you still need to input your pin each time anyway so i reckon it will be just as safe (if not safer) than physical credit cards..
also if you keep in mind that most phones that are coming out have phone tracking built in, i think NFC is the way forward!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
lol jump to the worst case scenario... mobile phone theft is a lot easier to do and tends to occur without the owner knowing. this is more common for females unfortunately. If you've ever used a NFC enabled credit card, you would know that a PIN is not required for purchases under a certain amount (here in Australia it's $100). I can do a lot of shopping with limits of $100... Sure they'll all be small items, but I can still purchase A LOT before the end user knows. Trust me, I've done it to friends a joke, merely walk past them whilst their iPhone is lying next to them, and walked off with it. They didn't even notice. People are a lot more cautious with their wallets than they are their mobile phones.
The Gate Keeper said:
lol jump to the worst case scenario... mobile phone theft is a lot easier to do and tends to occur without the owner knowing. this is more common for females unfortunately. If you've ever used a NFC enabled credit card, you would know that a PIN is not required for purchases under a certain amount (here in Australia it's $100). I can do a lot of shopping with limits of $100... Sure they'll all be small items, but I can still purchase A LOT before the end user knows. Trust me, I've done it to friends a joke, merely walk past them whilst their iPhone is lying next to them, and walked off with it. They didn't even notice. People are a lot more cautious with their wallets than they are their mobile phones.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'll thank you to return both my phones back to me...my Samsung Focus and Dell Venue....also throw in my Galaxy Tab, if you don't mind...for some great Angry Birds action....
MartyLK said:
I'll thank you to return both my phones back to me...my Samsung Focus and Dell Venue....also throw in my Galaxy Tab, if you don't mind...for some great Angry Birds action....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
hahaha, what phone(s)?
The Gate Keeper said:
lol jump to the worst case scenario... mobile phone theft is a lot easier to do and tends to occur without the owner knowing. this is more common for females unfortunately. If you've ever used a NFC enabled credit card, you would know that a PIN is not required for purchases under a certain amount (here in Australia it's $100). I can do a lot of shopping with limits of $100... Sure they'll all be small items, but I can still purchase A LOT before the end user knows. Trust me, I've done it to friends a joke, merely walk past them whilst their iPhone is lying next to them, and walked off with it. They didn't even notice. People are a lot more cautious with their wallets than they are their mobile phones.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
ah that makes sense...
in korea they have NFC in the phones and you can use it for cash (comes out of your phone bill) for small payments and withdraw cash from ATMs (via stored bank/credit card) after you insert PIN
i didn't realise you can get credit cards with NFC on them..
well in that case, I am back on the fence about this one
I have my HD7 but I am tempted to sell it and buy the Nexus when it comes out. Trying to be patient with WM7 and it has a lot of potential but I think it might take a year or so to get up to IOS or android. The nexus S could hold me over till then
in a year wp7 if its doesnt fizzle may have overtaken ios, and android at their current stages and at its current rate of growth ( its been out about 2 months, and a update already in testers hands) in less than four months it will almost catch up, and about 6 months from that it'll have things that they dont. Who know maybe by then ios will be playing catch up to wp7, 6.5 already had some thing thats why alot of us have the hd2,in a way theyre playing catching up to us with exception of stability and speed. Now that we have stability, etc, all they have to do is put back what they took out, add apps which they are doing, and walla. Windows Phone is on top again. Nothing last forever, not even apples domination.
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
Deanwvu said:
Am I missing something?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Did you get your $10?
I don't know about purchases but I have some cool ideas about things to do with my new NFC tags.
Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's the overall potential to removing all the clutter of having multiple credit cards with multiple bills and a wallet full of info that is hard to recover. If I lose my Wallet I have to call all my credit card companies and cancel all my cards then have to wait for them to resend them in the mail. With this I can easily recover with just a new phone. It sucks right now because not many people accept it but you are considered an early adopters if you join right now so there is going to be some teething pains you're going to go threw. Also think of this as like those key chain things that gas stations use for easier and faster gas purchases. It's like that but on a bigger scale
Sent from my LG-P999 using xda premium
Buff McBigstuff said:
Did you get your $10?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I did It was certainly worth $10 to give this a go!!
psychoace said:
It's the overall potential to removing all the clutter of having multiple credit cards with multiple bills and a wallet full of info that is hard to recover. If I lose my Wallet I have to call all my credit card companies and cancel all my cards then have to wait for them to resend them in the mail. With this I can easily recover with just a new phone. It sucks right now because not many people accept it but you are considered an early adopters if you join right now so there is going to be some teething pains you're going to go threw. Also think of this as like those key chain things that gas stations use for easier and faster gas purchases. It's like that but on a bigger scale
Sent from my LG-P999 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can see that as an advantage, perhaps. Maybe there will be a day when I walk out of my door carrying only my ID, my phone, and my car keys, but not yet. I do not trust my phone to be working all the time every day. All it would take is one phone failure when I actually need to purchase something to sour the experience for good.
Again, when it comes to purchasing goods/services, I think simple is best. Time will tell.
Security. Your credit card is an archaic tool rife with vulnerabilities. Chip based payment systems are arguably more secure.
psychoace said:
It's the overall potential to removing all the clutter of having multiple credit cards with multiple bills and a wallet full of info that is hard to recover. If I lose my Wallet I have to call all my credit card companies and cancel all my cards then have to wait for them to resend them in the mail. With this I can easily recover with just a new phone. It sucks right now because not many people accept it but you are considered an early adopters if you join right now so there is going to be some teething pains you're going to go threw. Also think of this as like those key chain things that gas stations use for easier and faster gas purchases. It's like that but on a bigger scale
Sent from my LG-P999 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Damn, I really got to stop typing long crap like that on my cell phone. I need punctuation damnit.
I tried it a while back at Best Buy, especially since Google is handing out a free $10. Yeah, it's nothing special, but I like the idea of keeping some cash on there in case I ever leave my wallet at home. I've gone out of town on business before only to get 2 hours down the road and realize I don't have my wallet. I NEVER leave my phone. It's a good option to have.
psychoace said:
Damn, I really got to stop typing long crap like that on my cell phone. I need punctuation damnit.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've seen much worse
Sent from the MIUI powered E3D
Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's because you're now old school.
Don't worry I argued this same point - there's not much appeal when I have to carry a wallet anyway for my ID and some cash for places that charge for credit cards. Google wallet takes more work than paying for a card for me.
But I could see this being a fundamental shift in payment for younger generations who might have a phone but no real need for a wallet - who will grow up used to this system.
The real issue at the moment is battery life, I'm sure 5-10 years from now week+ battery life will be the norm and using phone for everything will become acceptable. Phones will also not be so fragile (cough iphone) so it will be as reliable as a piece of card (or almost).
Personally though, I think an NFC card would be way more convenient. It could be the size of a credit card, with a touch screen interface that lets you use it for payment or as a driver's license. But this kind of tech is probably at least 10 years away.
Can I ask you guys which method is the best one out there ?
I do have root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1365360
or
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20404813&postcount=350
I think I'm a little confused by wallet. I know it wasn't inclued out of the box because of Verizon. I was able to download it from the market, install and activate it. I have the $10 and went to test it. I went to pay and the phone said sent but did not display the merchant for confirmation and the merchant didn't receive it either. They are supposedly setup for it. Do I need to grab one the other APKs and reinstall or is there any ideas you guys may have? I've searched plenty and saw no mention of what I'm experiencing. Thanks for any insight.
+1
Thank you!
finally some one that sees the truth
Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am on the fence, see the pros and cons with both...but eventually when the NYC MTA implements this technology broadly it would pretty sweet to use if you happen to misplace or forget your train ticket and/or metro card
For now, I have to agree. It is less convenient than just using a card.
What would ultimately be really cool is to replace all those things we're talking about with just your phone. Unlock your house, start your car, verify your identity, pay for stuff... all with one device. But until I can ditch my wallet and keys entirely, it's just another way to complicate things instead of a solution to make life simpler. Can't wait for the future!
I've now used it at about 5 different locations and it's pretty fast, with much potential. assuming you've entered your pin ahead of time, it's faster than paying with a physical card. my phone hasn't crashed for more than a month (since going to custom roms) and fcs are extremely rare. therefore it's as reliable as I expect it to be
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
My phone gave me fits when I tried to use Google Wallet at Rite Aid. Fortunately the cashier mived the rest of the line behind me to a free register so I could keep trying, because I had to start over like 8 times. It's a nice gimmick for now, but it won't really be practical until more businesses support it and the bugs get worked out.
Terminators run on Android
I see the appeal in that my phone is quickly becoming my life "tool"
First it integrated my iPod/music player, now does movies, now does hand held games, mobile web browser and email means its now used for work purposes... replicon now has timesheet app so it also records my time in/out of a job......google wallet is now what I use to pay for groceries at the store instead of carrying my wallet in my pocket and possibly loosing my wallet... if my phone is lost, they have to go through 3 passwords before getting to my wallet.
Im thinking more of it as a "why not"... my phone is becoming more and more useful
out for a run with only my phone, need a drink, run into cvs, swipe phone
I used it at 7-11 yesterday just to test it with the free $10. It worked flawlessly but I don't see replacing my wallet until everyone accepts this interface.
I would use it more now if I was able to add my Wells Fargo debit card. Hopefully the ability to add any type of debit/credit card will be the next stag of evolution for this service.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
One advantage is that you can see all your previous transactions electronically more conveniently (not having to log into your credit card account, or wait a day or two before the transaction showing up there).
Another advantage is that coupons and deals can be used more easily. For example, right now if you go into Google Wallet, you can choose offers like 15% off entire purchase at Gap & Banana Republic when you pay with NFC. The offers are pretty limited right now, but I reserve my judgement until Google Wallet or Isis (Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile NFC payment system) take off.
In principle, it is more secure since even if you lost your phone, with your phone unlocked, other people can't use it for NFC payment since it requires an additional PIN code. But then of course losing the phone itself probably costs a lot too...
If Google Wallet or Isis gain traction, more credit card companies will jump in. And hopefully that means you can add more credit cards can be stored on your phone, eliminating the need to carry a number of physical cards.
Oh... and it saves a lot of time for a typical female not having to find an additional item in their over-stuffed purses.
An earlier post, thought it may be a good topic for debate:
TO ALL THE CLOUD PEOPLE!
Not usually one to rant but I need to here. What scares me about this is the larger picture. Data plans are getting smaller and more expensive and at the same time storage is getting smaller, which will force you to use a cloud service. So for all the music, etc. that you already own you will have to stream it and use up part of your data plan. That's what really scares me, it's like getting taxed twice. Your using data to get the song but it doesn't end there, now you have to use data every time you listen to it. This all boils down to the carriers making a lot of money off of stuff you own. What's next? 8GB phones and $50 per GB data plans in 5 years? I'm all for companies making a profit, I'm conservative and definitely not an occupy movement type but i see potential disaster for the consumer here. Who knows, hopefully this isn't a trend but for all the good things about a cloud, when combined with an expensive data plan it can be really bad for the consumer. I'll keep my content locally thank you. Not to mention all the downfalls of a cloud service, battery drain, losing signal, etc.
What's really disappointing is this entire issue can be avoided with expandable memory. Feels like we are going backwards.
This is only a concern if you believe AT&T's rhetoric that the sky is falling.
First off 90% of phones still come with a Micro SD card slot.
Second, Verizon is really the only carrier who still charges overage fee's (T-mobile and AT&T throttle after a certain point and Sprint is "Unlimited") so I don't get where you are going with this.
bleach168 said:
This is only a concern if you believe AT&T's rhetoric that the sky is falling.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have unlimited data on verizon. I can just add the two scenarios together and see the POTENTIAL for a bad thing, but can you deny that the potential is there?
miketoasty said:
First off 90% of phones still come with a Micro SD card slot.
Second, Verizon is really the only carrier who still charges overage fee's (T-mobile and AT&T throttle after a certain point and Sprint is "Unlimited") so I don't get where you are going with this.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Try 99% of phones haha
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
miketoasty said:
First off 90% of phones still come with a Micro SD card slot.
Second, Verizon is really the only carrier who still charges overage fee's (T-mobile and AT&T throttle after a certain point and Sprint is "Unlimited") so I don't get where you are going with this.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Do you believe Sprint will have unlimited forever? Where I'm going is trying to point out what nobody else is. Smaller more expensive data plans and streaming services for content you already own COULD become very pricey down the road, hope it doesn't go that route. Not sure how to make that any clearer. Not about overage charges at all.
Verizon already has a 2GB plan (yes i know about double the data, just a gimmick to make you think they gave you something when they took it away). If you use 1GB streaming from the cloud you only have 1GB left for other use. You could have had the content on your phone locally and still had 2GB for other use. So if 2GB isn't enough now you need to spend more on a larger data plan, that's where the cost will be.
@joshnichols189
I'm well aware, see you bought a nexus anyways, good choice.
InfiniD said:
@joshnichols189
I'm well aware, see you bought a nexus anyways, good choice.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If it does become a problem, I don't think it will happen within two years, but the next time you go looking for a phone make sure you get one with an expandable sd card slot
miketoasty said:
If it does become a problem, I don't think it will happen within two years, but the next time you go looking for a phone make sure you get one with an expandable sd card slot
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If this trend continues we could be in a tight spot in 2yrs. I was okay with the nexus because it was still 32GB, but if this continues and the higher end phones don't have expandable it will suck. I love the Gnex and the community support, I considered the Rezound and now very happy with my purchase mainly because of this site and everybody willing to help others. We are spoiled with the support here. My friend is trying to root his Sprint Evo Design 4G and there is some community support but nothing like the Gnex gets, heck it doesn't even have a forum here at xda.
I think everybody is kinda missing my point of the larger picture down the road lol. This topic started out as a response to discontinuing the 32GB nexus and people being okay with it because of cloud services. Just trying to point out the cloud could come back to bite us later.
I believe the OP has a very valid point here!
stickerbob said:
I believe the OP has a very valid point here!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks. Was starting to think I was the only one that could connect the dots lol
InfiniD said:
I'll keep my content locally thank you.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've been in the data retrieval industry for a long time. I've seen at all and am still surprised on a daily basis of what my clients tell me happens to them that results in them losing all of their data.
Your local storage (on your phone, or computer) will fail and you may have to pay hundreds to thousands of dollars to get it recovered, unless you're fine with losing it (which most people are forced to live with due to the high costs and fragile economy). You might shake your head in disagreement at what i'm saying, most think they will never experience this.
We're not walking backwards, cloud is the future, and in my experience, it's the only way to really make sure that you don't lose your data. The point is to never lose data and have it available to you anywhere. I suggest Box and Dropbox to every single client who asks how they can prevent this from happening to them again.
Google Music is a wonderful thing, i use it every morning on the way to work and every evening on the way home. I listen to about 30-40mb of music on the road. Wifi is always on at home, and available pretty much everywhere i go. Since Dec. 3rd, i've been using about 1 - 1.2GB/month for music and still have a little under 4 GB to use for whatever else my heart desires.
Anyway, while companies are screwing people with data plan costs, in the big picture cloud storage is a winner. My GN's 16GB is more than enough to store whatever i need. Also, i'm pretty sure there will be less and less 8GB phones in the future, i don't think you have anything to worry about.
I'm not saying the cloud is a bad thing on it's own, it definitely makes sense, I'm just worried what the future may hold and the how the carriers will take advantage of it. I agree with all of your points about data security/retrieval. I think if there was a plan that excluded cloud streaming as paid data usage that would be perfect. If that's even possible.
They should just make all phones with 64GB of data with an expandable slot and unlimited plans. I'll never worry again lol.
Nexcellent said:
I've been in the data retrieval industry for a long time. I've seen at all and am still surprised on a daily basis of what my clients tell me happens to them that results in them losing all of their data.
Your local storage (on your phone, or computer) will fail and you may have to pay hundreds to thousands of dollars to get it recovered, unless you're fine with losing it (which most people are forced to live with due to the high costs and fragile economy). You might shake your head in disagreement at what i'm saying, most think they will never experience this.
We're not walking backwards, cloud is the future, and in my experience, it's the only way to really make sure that you don't lose your data. The point is to never lose data and have it available to you anywhere. I suggest Box and Dropbox to every single client who asks how they can prevent this from happening to them again.
Google Music is a wonderful thing, i use it every morning on the way to work and every evening on the way home. I listen to about 30-40mb of music on the road. Wifi is always on at home, and available pretty much everywhere i go. Since Dec. 3rd, i've been using about 1 - 1.2GB/month for music and still have a little under 4 GB to use for whatever else my heart desires.
Anyway, while companies are screwing people with data plan costs, in the big picture cloud storage is a winner. My GN's 16GB is more than enough to store whatever i need. Also, i'm pretty sure there will be less and less 8GB phones in the future, i don't think you have anything to worry about.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
100% true.
While unlimited data may be on its way out, it's only because the telco's can afford to do that for now. Their goal is for you to think the exact same way the OP is thinking right now:
rather than get angry at the telcos, they want you to pay them more, and then get angry at Google, Netflix, Rdio, Slacker, Spotify, Pandora, Onlive, for trying to get you to stream more.
Cellular networks have had a great decade charging high rates on data that most people don't use much of. Average usage for an iPhone user 2 years ago was 800MB - 1.1GB. That means, ATT customers were essentially paying $30 for 1GB, which is a MONSTROUS rate per GB. Typical transit rates on wireline are closer to $0.04/GB. With Android, carriers noticed that usage began increasing very quickly, and just looking at the rise of cloud, they figured out that for them to keep their same profit margins, they needed to either charge more, or keep usage down.
Now, some cellular networks are fighting to keep you paying monstrous per GB rates, either by getting you to pay overages, or getting you to cut back your usage.
The only way to fight this is if enough customers begin actually using the wireless networks and begin bumping up against those artificial barriers, and then begin complaining.
Netflix has already advocated this for wireline networks, although they've been trying to help a bit with voluntary quality/bandwidth limiting.
But either way, cloud *is* the way forward. There are no 2 ways about it. Cell networks will fight as much as they can to retain their absurdly high quarterly results and keep their shareholders happy. If you don't agree with your particular network's policies, the only way to make sure they get the message that caps are bullsht, is to either call them or walk.
and it's pretty cool. my first attempt failed horribly at Best Buy, though. go figure, right? a tech store that had issues with it. it kept saying card error, and just wouldn't work at all, so i had to use my actual card.
then i went over to stop and shop and it worked flawlessly. got my $30 gift card to best buy for doing my first purchase too! pretty cool, just wonder why it didn't work at best buy.
Used mine at a gas station. The guy behind the counter was like, "did you just use your phone as a card?". I said yup. He turns to the woman working with him and said, "he just used his phone as a card!". And then both of them looked at and instantly reminded me of the robber from the jet.com commercial when the top of his head blows off in a cloud of purple and he declares "sorcery". I told them how it work and that they just had their first experience with Samsung pay and I walked out.
That's crazy I was making purchases with Google wallet on my nexus 4 years ago. I switched to android pay because my bank doesn't support samsung pay. I haven't tried it out yet.
jayochs said:
and it's pretty cool. my first attempt failed horribly at Best Buy, though. go figure, right? a tech store that had issues with it. it kept saying card error, and just wouldn't work at all, so i had to use my actual card.
then i went over to stop and shop and it worked flawlessly. got my $30 gift card to best buy for doing my first purchase too! pretty cool, just wonder why it didn't work at best buy.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Decided to try it out yesterday (my 2nd day with the phone) and so far so good. Had my gift card before my first purchase was in my hands. Then headed to Best Buy to use that to purchase a fast wireless charger for cheap. Only issue I ran into was the card reader at BB tried to read twice but failed the 2nd time. Just wish it could work with gas pumps where you have to insert the card.
JediDru said:
That's crazy I was making purchases with Google wallet on my nexus 4 years ago. I switched to android pay because my bank doesn't support samsung pay. I haven't tried it out yet.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i never used android pay because it never supported any of my cards....then samsung pay came along, supported every card i have, and uses the magnetic field instead of needing to keep NFC on all the time, and it just seems so much better. the way it's implemented with the swipe up from lock screen is awesome and real fast.
I had no idea that I could just tap it on the card reader and it would basically emulate a credit card swiping. I tried it earlier today and it works fine, and I love that NFC is no longer needed. This will make it much easier to have payments accepted literally anywhere now.
I used mine at a vending machine. A $1.50 bottle of Diet Coke landed me a $30 Best Buy gift card. Awesome!
Will that work if you go back to factory?
Yes it will
Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk