[Q] Question about S-OFF, getting updates - Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I was just curious about something. My Incredible was rooted and I recently ran the RUU to get back to stock. I didn't run S-ON first so I currently have stock recovery and the stock ROM non rooted. My phone is still S-OFF though. Now I know there will probably never be another update released for the Incredible but I was curious, does S-OFF prevent you from receiving OTA updates or if it is just root that breaks them.
Anyone know?

MrBigFeathers said:
I was just curious about something. My Incredible was rooted and I recently ran the RUU to get back to stock. I didn't run S-ON first so I currently have stock recovery and the stock ROM non rooted. My phone is still S-OFF though. Now I know there will probably never be another update released for the Incredible but I was curious, does S-OFF prevent you from receiving OTA updates or if it is just root that breaks them.
Anyone know?
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I was both rooted and S-OFF when the Nov OTA came out, and I was getting bothered with "Yay, UPDATE NOW! DO IT!" constantly lol. I believe it has to do with your build.prop file.
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Blah12543 said:
I was both rooted and S-OFF when the Nov OTA came out, and I was getting bothered with "Yay, UPDATE NOW! DO IT!" constantly lol. I believe it has to do with your build.prop file.
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But if rooted when you receive the notification it fails if you try to allow it right? I know the notification will come no matter what if you are on a stock ROM.

MrBigFeathers said:
But if rooted when you receive the notification it fails if you try to allow it right? I know the notification will come no matter what if you are on a stock ROM.
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Yeah mine failed when I tried it. I remember a few other people saying it failed for them as well when this started happening.
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[Q] 2.2 OTA update won't work after root

I rooted my EVO using unrevoked3 (the one you download and do from your computer, NOT the one that you download straight to the phone) and now my phone won't update to froyo. The progress bar gets about a fifth of the way done and then it goes away and gives me an exclamation point error screen and freezes my phone. Is there a way I can update to 2.2 without losing all my data?
madaro said:
I rooted my EVO using unrevoked3 (the one you download and do from your computer, NOT the one that you download straight to the phone) and now my phone won't update to froyo. The progress bar gets about a fifth of the way done and then it goes away and gives me an exclamation point error screen and freezes my phone. Is there a way I can update to 2.2 without losing all my data?
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You do realize you will lose root if you update to the OTA 2.2, right?
Yep, but I don't really care. I just need to figure out how to get this to work
madaro said:
Yep, but I don't really care. I just need to figure out how to get this to work
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Just curious, but why would you want to get the OTA 2.2, when you can keep root and flash to one of the nice, existing 2.2 ROMS already out there?
yep just run simple root and flash to the stock rooted. very simple.
I was able to flash netarchy's rooted stock Froyo using Unrevoked3 from the ClockwordMod recovery. No need for simple root.
You will need to get the 1.47 rom from shipped roms as well htc sync. Search the xda forums for the procedure. I did mine yesterday and it worked for me.
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I'm having the the EXACT same issue! Have you figured it out?! If they are updating the way they suppose to I wouldn't have to root my phone! It sounds like they are so I would rather have the "official" Froyo 2.2
I'm having the the EXACT same issue! Have you figured it out?! If they are updating the way they suppose to I wouldn't have to root my phone! It sounds like they are so I would rather have the "official" Froyo 2.2

[Q] Roomate wants to download official Froyo OTA

Hello all,
My roommate and I each have EVO phones. Both of us are rooted and running CM6. However, my roommate is complaining of no 4g and wants to go back to original HTC Sense Froyo. I tried to talk him out of it but to no avail. However, neither of us know how to do the official Froyo OTA. Any help on as to how?
Thanks
*Edit* He doesn't want root anymore because he wants to updated PRI
There is a link on here somewhere to the original HTC RUU file. From what I can tell, if you use a Sprint-provided RUU, you run the risk of losing the ability to root forever, but the HTC one wont.
I went from rooted and nand-unlocked back down to stock with the RUU. Once you are stock, then you qualify for the regularly pushed OTA updates.
SHicks18 said:
Hello all,
My roommate and I each have EVO phones. Both of us are rooted and running CM6. However, my roommate is complaining of no 4g and wants to go back to original HTC Sense Froyo. I tried to talk him out of it but to no avail. However, neither of us know how to do the official Froyo OTA. Any help on as to how?
Thanks
*Edit* He doesn't want root anymore because he wants to updated PRI
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Want to lose root? Use the leaked 'official' RUU here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746705
Want to keep root? Boot into recovery, complete wipe and flash the following
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=743352
Edit: Also make sure your RPI will get updated by flashing that RUU.
SHicks18 said:
Hello all,
My roommate and I each have EVO phones. Both of us are rooted and running CM6. However, my roommate is complaining of no 4g and wants to go back to original HTC Sense Froyo. I tried to talk him out of it but to no avail. However, neither of us know how to do the official Froyo OTA. Any help on as to how?
Thanks
*Edit* He doesn't want root anymore because he wants to updated PRI
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STOP!!!!!!! Your roommate WILL NOT GET THE UPDATED PRI IF HE UNROOTS AND GOES OFFICIAL!!!! You have to wait for pri fix. The only way right now to get the new pri is to call insurance tell them whatever, drop ur phone in the toilet, pay the $100 and wait for a new phone. Trust me i know everything about this phone. As for 4g, tell him to run calkulins rom with netarchys kernal better battery life than cm6 and he will have 4g no problem. Hope this helps.
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Downgrading to FROYO

Yes, it can be done. There is an RUU floating around, and I just successfully downgraded. That said, while recovery was removed, S-OFF was NOT removed.
What I do not know is how this would affect those who did OTA or the .3 release. I did flash down though from Gingersense.
More to come, as I now have to read about how to get Clockwork Recovery back into place.. That's critical now.
EDIT: Blah.. Just FYI, it doesn't look like the RUU I was using was the stock release. But it's Froyo regardless.
EDIT 2: Big Blah.. If you're S-ON, it won't work. Works fine if you're S-OFF though.
What was the name of the file?
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RUU_Vivo_W_VERIZON_WWE_1.34.605.3_Radio_0.99.01.0225_2_NV_VZW1.92_release_181303_signed.exe
Looks like 1.34.605.4 is the stock release, but I'm not positive.
And I'm back to where I was before I ran the RUU. Everything appears to work. No issues getting CWM recovery back on.
This may be an option for those who went OTA and want to get root...they just might not have it with OTA.
sk0t said:
And I'm back to where I was before I ran the RUU. Everything appears to work. No issues getting CWM recovery back on.
This may be an option for those who went OTA and want to get root...they just might not have it with OTA.
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Ill give it a shot seeing that I haven't received my xtc clip yet and pounced on gb leak since alpharev wasn't available yet
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Stam2000 said:
Ill give it a shot seeing that I haven't received my xtc clip yet and pounced on gb leak since alpharev wasn't available yet
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Please, post your results. I'm curious to hear!
I tried it, and I received an error from the ruu program. Error 190 or something like that.
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Can you mirror the file, FileFactory is horribly slow. 2 hours? Really?
Does this downgrade HBOOT so you can root the device? I just picked up a new Incredible 2 on Craigslist, 2 days old. Came with Gingerbread installed
shoman24v said:
Does this downgrade HBOOT so you can root the device? I just picked up a new Incredible 2 on Craigslist, 2 days old. Came with Gingerbread installed
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dunno, just called Verizon and getting a replacement, i hope it doesn't have gingerbread on it - that would be sweet.
Ok. I'm wondering if this will work. My incredible 2 has 2.3.3 with HBOOT of .97. Now AlpharevX works with that HBOOT its just that it can't can't get root because of gingerbread. Would downgrading to froyo fix this? Love this phone. Hate the ****ing bloat.
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It looks like it's an issue of security checking. If you could get it downgrade to Froyo, then it should work. But because of S-ON, it won't downgrade. At least, that's the best I can figure.
So the solution would be to just wait until GB gets S-OFF?
Conrthomas said:
So the solution would be to just wait until GB gets S-OFF?
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Yes. For whatever reason, despite being signed updates, HTC and/or Verizon won't let you downgrade the device. It worked for me because I was S-OFF already though, so it's a "security" issue.
I also have s-off on mine but after I got it I did factory reset and then it downloaded and installed update while it was charging and i never knew untill i looked and was like o crap it updated by itself so i hope this works.
sk0t i think i could hug you for this post i just ran that ruu and was able to get my root back just installed CM7
sk0t said:
Yes, it can be done. There is an RUU floating around, and I just successfully downgraded. That said, while recovery was removed, S-OFF was NOT removed.
What I do not know is how this would affect those who did OTA or the .3 release. I did flash down though from Gingersense.
More to come, as I now have to read about how to get Clockwork Recovery back into place.. That's critical now.
EDIT: Blah.. Just FYI, it doesn't look like the RUU I was using was the stock release. But it's Froyo regardless.
EDIT 2: Big Blah.. If you're S-ON, it won't work. Works fine if you're S-OFF though.
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Just made an account to post this...hope it helps. My roommate was fed up with 2.3 on her Droid X so she called verizon to complain and they send her an OTA flash back to 2.2. I know its a different phone but it may be an option for you folks that are looking as well...cheers!
blindy107 said:
Just made an account to post this...hope it helps. My roommate was fed up with 2.3 on her Droid X so she called verizon to complain and they send her an OTA flash back to 2.2. I know its a different phone but it may be an option for you folks that are looking as well...cheers!
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I have to admit, that is very interesting. I wonder if they'd do it for the HTC phones. I know the X had a ****-ton of problems with 2.3.
sk0t said:
I have to admit, that is very interesting. I wonder if they'd do it for the HTC phones. I know the X had a ****-ton of problems with 2.3.
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I just got off the phone with big red, and they said with these phones there is not a way to back out an upgrade. If anyone else has any luck, please let us know
chardie26 said:
I also have s-off on mine but after I got it I did factory reset and then it downloaded and installed update while it was charging and i never knew untill i looked and was like o crap it updated by itself so i hope this works.
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micdawg12 said:
I just got off the phone with big red, and they said with these phones there is not a way to back out an upgrade. If anyone else has any luck, please let us know
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Damn that really sucks. This is exactly what happened to my sister. I wonder, when did pushing updates with no confirmation become okay? I thought the OTA needs your permission to install?

S-OFF still showing after OTA?

My wife got her replacement Inc2 today after the one she got last week just died. She was on Froyo so I might of.. swapped her phones.. anyways, I rooted, went to the bathroom and the stupid ota ran I guess because when I came back the phone was on GB 2.3.3 however my boot screen shows S-OFF. Can anyone help me to verify that S-OFF is indeed still off. I can post any screen shots etc.. I am still a noob when it comes to the Inc2.
If your boot screen says S-Off, you are S-Off
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Did you flash clockworkmod recovery when you rooted? I didn't think the OTA would take if you had a custom recovery. In any event, since you're still s-off, you're fine.
I actually hadn't flashed recovery yet. Went ahead and flashed recovery. Superuser installed but busybox keeps failing. I am manually installing them since the patch I found also includes a rooted kernel but it is for Froyo.
The biggest deal for me is I am still S-OFF. I'm just confused as to how I managed to remain S-OFF after the OTA went through. If I can't get busybox installed I'll probably install Ginger Sense to obtain it.
kujayhawks77 said:
I actually hadn't flashed recovery yet. Went ahead and flashed recovery. Superuser installed but busybox keeps failing. I am manually installing them since the patch I found also includes a rooted kernel but it is for Froyo.
The biggest deal for me is I am still S-OFF. I'm just confused as to how I managed to remain S-OFF after the OTA went through. If I can't get busybox installed I'll probably install Ginger Sense to obtain it.
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Alpharev changed ur hboot to a higer version than the one in the OTA.. this is why it kept you S-OFF.. if I'm wrong someone correct me.
So basically I just got really lucky and kept my S-OFF even though the OTA went through.
kujayhawks77 said:
So basically I just got really lucky and kept my S-OFF even though the OTA went through.
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No. stock hboot is .97. alpharev bumped you up to 1.something.. idk I used XTC clip.. since your hboot is newer than the OTA.. it keeps you S-OFF, pretty smart by alpha.
So does this open a gateway to first root in Froyo and then go gingerbread and retain the root?
Only way to be able to tell is to have someone repeat my steps which were: stock froyo, run AlphaRevX, did not flash recovery, Run OTA (this happened by accident I did not intend for the OTA to go through) after the OTA is finished reboot and if it is indeed a "gateway" then S-OFF would still be on. (After seeing S-OFF was on (and making sure it was okay) I went ahead and installed cwm recovery at that point)
Now when I use the term "gateway" I say this loosely because it doesn't fix anything for anyone who is already on GB. If indeed this works, it would only work for a small percentage who get Froyo and don't flash clockwork before running the OTA.
I just got my Inc2 as a replacement for my fascinate, came with 2.1 might try your steps and see if my root will stay after doing the OTA
tnez said:
I just got my Inc2 as a replacement for my fascinate, came with 2.1 might try your steps and see if my root will stay after doing the OTA
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2.1??? I think you are mistaken, sir
beenz said:
2.1??? I think you are mistaken, sir
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He was mistaken cause it is sense 2.1 but android 2.2
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kujayhawks77 said:
Only way to be able to tell is to have someone repeat my steps which were: stock froyo, run AlphaRevX, did not flash recovery, Run OTA (this happened by accident I did not intend for the OTA to go through) after the OTA is finished reboot and if it is indeed a "gateway" then S-OFF would still be on. (After seeing S-OFF was on (and making sure it was okay) I went ahead and installed cwm recovery at that point)
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I've been wondering about this. I got my Dinc2 early July and I'm still on stock, unrooted Froyo. Somehow the OTA update to GB hasn't hit yet. Could I run ApharevX to get S-off and stop there for now? I am happy with bloated stock for the time being and want to be able to receive OTA updates, but would like to have the option down the road to add Clockworkmod and flash custom ROMs. From kujayhawks experience it seems that this should be possible.
Basically, if I achieve S-off with AlpharevX now, will I be able to pretty much do anything later?
P.S. First post, though I've been lurking around for a while. Great forum/community.
xenakis said:
Basically, if I achieve S-off with AlpharevX now, will I be able to pretty much do anything later?
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It appears from reports that S-off stays after the OTA to 2.3, so yea, that would seem to be the case.
If you turn S-off with AlphaRev, you might want to just go ahead and install Clockwork recovery at the same time. Doing so won't root or install SuperUser or anything, but you would be able to then backup your phone and be ready to flash if you wanted.
If you install clockwork recovery you won't be able to receive OTAs though, just keep that in mind. You can flash back to the stock recovery, but unless you are familiar with ADB, it won't necessarily be an easy process.

[Q] Help, please. Need to Root 2.3.4 DINC

Ok, a few users here have offered advice/assistance, but I fear this problem has been forgotten.
I am stuck with an S-ON, 2.3.4 Droid Incredible, and am looking for a way to acquire root again.
This happened a few weeks ago, with the leak of the 2.3.4 OTA. Flashed S-ON via CWM (not aware I would permanently lose Root), then flashed the OTA as PB31IMG.zip in HBOOT.
Now, Unrevoked no longer roots the device. HBOOT will not allow downgrading to a 2.2 IMG, nor will it flash any downgraded Radio/HBOOT versions. I've tried them all from Dougpiston.com, even the signed ones.
I've attempted to contact the folks at Unrevoked about this issue on IRC, but I can't ever get a reliable dialogue going with anyone, and I believe they are busy working on Revolution, for Incredible 2/S & Newer devices.
Throwing my hands up, I even called Verizon, gave them an excuse to send me a replacement, just so I could start fresh with a 2.2 phone, but I am out of warranty.
I really want to enjoy Sense 3.0/MIUI, even Cyanogenmod, but the outlook is not so good.
Is there any solution I haven't tried yet? Please help.
Unless Unrevoked or someone else finds a new root method you're pretty much out of luck.
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Yep, same situation here, nothing will re-root if you did the GB OTA with S-ON bootloader. just have to wait and see if somebody comes up with something new or Unrevoked comes up with a new method.
EDIT: and I'm willing to bet if you get one from Verizon it might already be 2.3.4
resyek83 said:
Yep, same situation here, nothing will re-root if you did the GB OTA with S-ON bootloader. just have to wait and see if somebody comes up with something new or Unrevoked comes up with a new method.
EDIT: and I'm willing to bet if you get one from Verizon it might already be 2.3.4
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That's most likely true. 2.3.4 is being pushed out to the Incredible now, so they would probably run the newest RUU on their Incredible devices.
I feel your pain deadsoulboy, and I've seen your posts lamenting your situation on other threads. Only solace I can offer you is that generally the source code and RUU are made available within 30 days of the OTA, at which point the developers are completely free to tear into them with reckless abandon and hopefully the folks at unrevoked figure things out.
It's also distinctly possible that HTC will unlock the bootloader the way it has with others of its handsets, in which case you'll be back in business.
Until then, my friend, I believe you are rootless.
i have the same problem. its been a couple months.... am i still hosed?
Have you tried this? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1306400
I used Scotty1223's instructions a few weeks ago and it worked like a charm.
So I burnt out my Cpu on my original rooted Dinc and got a replacement however after playing around on my replacement Dinc verizon pushed the update to 2.3.4 onto my phone. I would've stopped it but I figured I would just downgrade and root again however the new HBOOT 92 didn't let me downgrade i tried the unrevoked method anyway and i got a custom recovery so i restored MIUI on my current Dinc however i seem to still be unrooted? for example Titanium Backup can't delete system apps. i still have S-on and the new HBOOT 92 however i also have a mac so i am a little stuck and confused on how to regain full root access with s-off again any hep would be greatly appreciated.
alexyaz said:
So I burnt out my Cpu on my original rooted Dinc and got a replacement however after playing around on my replacement Dinc verizon pushed the update to 2.3.4 onto my phone. I would've stopped it but I figured I would just downgrade and root again however the new HBOOT 92 didn't let me downgrade i tried the unrevoked method anyway and i got a custom recovery so i restored MIUI on my current Dinc however i seem to still be unrooted? for example Titanium Backup can't delete system apps. i still have S-on and the new HBOOT 92 however i also have a mac so i am a little stuck and confused on how to regain full root access with s-off again any hep would be greatly appreciated.
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Check this out. http://androidforums.com/incredible-all-things-root/427344-2-3-4-root-downgrade-s-off.html

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