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HTC Touch Pro 2 = Fail?

I think so and I will tell you why. I have been following this phone since it was announced long ago. I to have been a proud HTC device owner but these days I am not so proud anymore.
I am a Windows Mobile fan. Currently I am using my old trusty or not so trusty these days HTC Kaiser/TYTN2. I became a big fan of the tilt feature. I am a tmobile user so back when the Kaiser was released not having 3g bands was not an issue because tmobile did not have 3g. I bought the Euro version and paid top dollar.
Since then its been hacked and modded to reduce glitches and increase speed but lets face it. The keyboard is worn and almost all keys require a super hard press due to wear and tear. Also the screen is tiny by todays standards. I didnt buy the Euro version of the TP2 because I live in the US and 3g is now an issue. So I waited for the tmobile release now confirmed for aug 12th. Right around the corner!
Those of you who didn't wait seem to be reporting endless bugs and glitches not to mention hardware problems. It is driving me nuts to the point that I am shying away from the TP2 hype. I have been following all the TP2 threads here and its bads news after bad news. Very different from when you all 1st got it.
Please someone speak some positive stuff otherwise I may end up holding onto my Kaiser for another year. Final rant.....the specs could be better. Damn Iphoney has an 800mhz processor and HTC just holds back!

I absolutely love it. I have not one problem with it, except for the battery door. I had to modify it a little but know its fine. Out of the 4 HTC phones I have owned, I think this is the best by far. Good luck with your findings.

Although I won't argue with you, the touch pro2 is a great phone for what it's intended for which is business users. It is lacking a bit hardware wise for multimedia and gaming, since it pretty much has the same processor and memory as its predecessor. It is for this reason that I am still trying to decide between the TP2 and samsung omnia II since it has the faster processor and beautiful AMOLED screen. So if you are shying away from the TP2 I would recommend the omnia II or the omnia pro (has hardware keyboard). Even though it annoyingly lacks a built in stylus (but thats just me).

The Great Malaki said:
The keyboard is worn and almost all keys require a super hard press due to wear and tear.
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Its probably not wear and tear. Its the same thing that happens with TV remotes. Over time, the oils from your fingers seep through the buttons and interfere with the contacts. If you were to take the keyboard appart and wipe down the contacts, no garauntee, but I bet it would work like new.

i think most of the problems people have (including myself) on their TP2 is 3rd party softwares imcompatable to the new UI on TP2. hope HTC will offer an update for TP2 sooner than September.
if you turn away from it for Samsung OmniaHD, make sure buy it from a local Samsung stores or from your mobile operator. i've been in a deep problem trying to get my Omnia i900 fixed. i bought my i900 from an idiot ebay seller named Cutrategoods70. when my i900 bricked from a firmware update, i tried to contact that idiot, never get a reply. i emailed SS service center in UK (coz SS US & Canada never heard of this model), thay told me to send to them. 5 weeks later they sent it back & said they not support "foreign unit". emailed SS Singapore & Malaysia, they said the same thing. Becareful when you buy a Samsung on ebay or internet stores
good luck for you finding the right device

I think is totally normal to see so many posts about defects / bugs. Usually, peoples who post threads here need help with something. If everyone posted a thread about "Everything's fine with my TP2" when their TP2 is working flawlessly ... well... it would be pretty useless to do that.
Think about it : it's normal to find broken cars in a car dealer's garage. It doesn't mean the car model is crap.

I second that. You will normally see threads asking how to improve things or how to fix things.
Most of the posts here are when people need something, find something that they think could help others, and that's about it. The closest thing you can find to general chat would be the speculation on future support or release dates.
In forums for my last phone you saw threads on how to fix things, and for new software made for it (as a closed platform it had to be hacked and forums where the few places you could get software for the OS, unlike Winmo).
If you'll notice many of the threads are duplicates, and some of the complaints are somewhat invalid as the phone was never designed to do X thing (a prime example are the complaints that the Euro version doesn't support North American 3G bands.
Every phone will have defects and problems unless it's a very well built dumb phone. The question is, just how many people are having said problems, and out of how many satisfied customers without those problems?
Like vakbrain said, you're not going to find a new thread singing the praises of the phone from every person who is happy with it. It'd be extremely tedious, boring, and space consuming.

I love my TP2. I bought it SIM-free so it was quite an investment of cash, but I think it was worth every penny. It has the odd glitch here and there, but then so does any piece of complex modern equipment. I'd fully recommend it without any hesitation at all.

I think my TP2 is great! Ive alerady installed some handy apps to it. Havent had any issues with the device itself really, more like things relating to it. Finding a Good belt clip case for it seems to be a challenge, and Finnic isnt finished yet, so it runs like crap. I would have liked to have a 3.5mm jack on it, but im dealing with the adapter. I do wish TouchFlo had its own Slide to Unlock on it, but meh. i have s2u2 for the moment.

Lyian said:
I think my TP2 is great! Ive alerady installed some handy apps to it. Havent had any issues with the device itself really, more like things relating to it. Finding a Good belt clip case for it seems to be a challenge, and Finnic isnt finished yet, so it runs like crap. I would have liked to have a 3.5mm jack on it, but im dealing with the adapter. I do wish TouchFlo had its own Slide to Unlock on it, but meh. i have s2u2 for the moment.
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hi Lyian, could you please tell me does s2u2 work ok on yours?
i installed the WQVGA v2.04, it doesn't look right to me since everything so small & sticking together. VGA version look normal on my screen. other thing is when i set On Battery Power>Blank Screen on Talk, it works once, try the 2nd time the screen off then back on again. any idea to config it right?
thanks

I am using S2U2 on mine and it works fine. I am using the VGA version and it's flawless.
I love my Pro2!! no problems at all!!

One big difference
Hi all
Thought I'd add a comment.
The one big difference between my Touch Pro2 and every other HTC phone is that the TP2 works extremely well out of the box and while some people are annoyed with all the bundled software (i.e. M3D and it's incalculable extensions) I actually think that this makes is a better device and would rather have more of this than less.
The point is: It does everything I want it to almost out of the box. This has not been the case with any other HTC device I have owned/used.
Best wishes
andrew-in-woking

vakbrain said:
I think is totally normal to see so many posts about defects / bugs. Usually, peoples who post threads here need help with something. If everyone posted a thread about "Everything's fine with my TP2" when their TP2 is working flawlessly ... well... it would be pretty useless to do that.
Think about it : it's normal to find broken cars in a car dealer's garage. It doesn't mean the car model is crap.
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Thank you. I'm waiting for it to come out (couple weeks near me). Can't wait, watched plenty of unboxing videos and walkthroughs. *fist pump* Im ready lol.

sakshaug007 said:
Although I won't argue with you, the touch pro2 is a great phone for what it's intended for which is business users. It is lacking a bit hardware wise for multimedia and gaming, since it pretty much has the same processor and memory as its predecessor. It is for this reason that I am still trying to decide between the TP2 and samsung omnia II since it has the faster processor and beautiful AMOLED screen. So if you are shying away from the TP2 I would recommend the omnia II or the omnia pro (has hardware keyboard). Even though it annoyingly lacks a built in stylus (but thats just me).
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I wouldn't recommend the OMNIA II or PRO because they have only 137MB of RAM. That's hardly enough to run any software. I was really looking forward to the new OMNIA phones but it's a big disappointment with the lack of ram. I do admit other specs on the phone looks great but without the right amount of ram, the phone is very limited.

No Fail
Had my TP2 for just over a week now, so still getting used to it but I've had absolutely NO issues with it, so far it has surpassed my expectations. It seems fast, responsive and I like the functionality.
The guys who point out that people write in to forums with problems are absolutely correct. People don't just write in to say "I love it" most people here seem to be advanced users, happy to tweak and hack their phones to get that extra 10% out of them.
I'm a business user, I don't anticipate playing many games (that's what the DS/PSP etc. are for) and as a business user I think this phone rocks!
My anti-fail 2c!

No problems at all with mine. Very impressed, kicks my TP's ass in every department except LED flash.
Brilliant phone, top marks to TF3d too.

Well, I haven't gotten a TP2 yet - still waiting for AT&T to release theirs - in the meantime I'm living with my 2.5 year old Virgin Mobile USA prepaid phone, but ready to make the leap to a contract.
What I can say is that the phenomenon where everyone writes in to a forum (especially a big one like XDA) about their issues makes the problems seem much worse than they actually are. For every person posting here about a problem there are at least 2 more that have had NO problem and wouldn't even think of coming to an online forum to solve issues with their phone.
For example, I bought an Asus EeePC last fall, and went to the premier EeePC forum at the time to see what others were saying - it sounded depressing too! Everyone with issues. Then I realized that A) people wouldn't go to a forum to solve a problem if they didn't love the device and wanted to keep it, they'd just get rid of it if they didn't like it, and B) the people who come to forums are device tweakers who must have things just so (I'm one of them too) and thus are looking for feedback regarding their particular pet peeve or issue caused by the one program they just MUST use. People complained about cracks in the hardware, or messed up keyboards, or whatever, but I've thrown my EeePC 1000H in and out of airports plenty of months and it has yet to be less than 100% satisfying, other than the $150 drop in price over when I bought it 10 months ago!
So, what I'm saying is, this is a phenomenon unique to the interwebz and electronics junkies in general, so don't be discouraged by all the negatives around here, in the end we're all just questing to make an amazing device even closer to perfect.

andrew-in-woking said:
Hi all
Thought I'd add a comment.
The one big difference between my Touch Pro2 and every other HTC phone is that the TP2 works extremely well out of the box and while some people are annoyed with all the bundled software (i.e. M3D and it's incalculable extensions) I actually think that this makes is a better device and would rather have more of this than less.
The point is: It does everything I want it to almost out of the box. This has not been the case with any other HTC device I have owned/used.
Best wishes
andrew-in-woking
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I must agree with Andrew. I own about 15 HTC phones, starting with the Wallaby, back in 2002. When I unboxed my TP2, I immediately thought 'what do I have to modify now?'. But it worked perfectly out of the box and i havent modified anything. I only installed my connection and Coreplayer... Simply good.
One flaw however is the resolution, which is incompatible with some of my software. But those titles are not vital for me.
So, now I am waiting for the next big hit... HTC SUPERSTAR...where are you??????

henh said:
hi Lyian, could you please tell me does s2u2 work ok on yours?
i installed the WQVGA v2.04, it doesn't look right to me since everything so small & sticking together. VGA version look normal on my screen. other thing is when i set On Battery Power>Blank Screen on Talk, it works once, try the 2nd time the screen off then back on again. any idea to config it right?
thanks
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The WQVGA is the wrong version for the TP2, you want the VGA version (WQVGA is for smaller resolution phones like the Tilt)
I would say it does work 'ok' on mine. I do have an issue with it here and there that i wont go into here, but for the most part, it doest what i want it to, which is, to keep me from accidentally calling people lol.

OP needs to stop worrying, TP2 is a fantastic device and also get off the apple hype bs, iPhone doesn't have an 800mhz processor lol, more like around 600 for the 3GS, even less for the 3G.

Worth getting Desire now (to last 2 years)?

Getting a new phone at end of August, one that will need to last me two years. I know a phone usually goes out of date within a year but I'd like a phone that will make a decent attempt at staying in, via updates or whatever.
I'm really attracted to the Desire, but it is already 6 months old and I am worried that the hardware is already out of date. Should I get the Desire or should I start looking at some of the newer phones to continue the next two years?
If you think I should look at other phones, please suggest them. I also have my eye on the SGS, but the dev community behind the Desire (and the lack of apparent bugs on it, the SGS is fraught with them) keeps pulling me back to the Desire.

Chances are, there will be an 18 month contract out in August, so it might not be too bad.
Id recommend the Desire, but then again, better Android phones might be out by then so only time can tell.
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Hmm, I'd rather stick to a 24 month plan as it is generally cheaper to do so.
Of course, if another amazing phone comes out in the next month then I'd reconsider, but as for now that's unlikely and choice for me is really coming down to the Desire vs the SGS.
I really like the community behind the Desire, and if people are going to stay behind it for a long time to come, I will most probably get the Desire. On the other hand, if the Desire's life is 'coming to an end' with the Desire HD and SGS coming out, and if people think the SGS is the 'next big thing', I might just get the SGS instead.

I think a 24 month plan would leave you stick with the same phone for too long.
1.5 Ghz Snapdragons are scheduled to be released till the end of the year, and dual cores are expected in the first half of next year.
1 Ghz snapdragon is still the high end category, but not for too long.
If you really want the Desire, wait a little more, and you might get one with a super amoled screen.....
Personally, I'd choose one of the new or upcoming droid(s) now.

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If you really want the Desire, wait a little more, and you might get one with a super amoled screen..
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There won't be any super amoled Desires, HTC are going to use a SLCD. (or a similar name)
My bad if I've missed more recent news about it since I read that
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So would you recommend getting the SGS, ride out the bugs and wait for better updates?
I'm still a student and the phone I get will have to last me two years. Unless I win the lottery, of course.

I havent really heard of any new phones that are "Major game changers" recently, Unlike the desire which I had discovered well before it was even called that! I think all the companies have brought out there major hardware for this year anyway, X10, Galaxy S, Desire, Nexus One, Only other thing I can think of is Dell Streak and Motorola's new phone, When ever that comes to the UK if at all judging by the Milestone delay.
Stick with desire IMO

I can't speak for the Desire but I do have an SGS and am fairly happy with it. To me it seams, yes, there are many bugs still and it's far from perfect, and the dev community for SGS isn't so big yet. However, there have been a massive amount sold already and they expect a lot more sales, so that is bound to grow.
Also, it seems Samsung is working their ass off to get things fixed, and are dev-friendly (easy root, APIs, etc) We have new leaked firmwares now every few days. But will it fix everything? I had to face the same decision 3 weeks ago and went SGS.
So what to advise ? I wouldn't at the moment. If the SGS were operating perfectly I would definitely advise it over the Desire (I personally fell for the specs), but such is not the case.
The best advise I can give is, you still have a couple of weeks... postpone the decisions until more information is available, and SGS has had more fixes

Hi, Vodafone do it on 18 month for £35, 600mins, Unlimited txt and 1GB data which isn't half bad! (i think) lol

Chainfire said:
The best advise I can give is, you still have a couple of weeks... postpone the decisions until more information is available, and SGS has had more fixes
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Thanks for your input, probably the best I've had in a while. I definitely got that impression about Samsung and how they seem to be acknowledging the dev community. If this is truly the path they are taking and the community is willing to take the bait (why not, it's a great piece of hardware) then the SGS will definitely be a great phone.
I suppose I'll take a break for 3 weeks and reaccess the situation then. My brain is still thinking a LOT about this though and it's hard to shut it off!
Thanks all, though more input is always welcome.

EDIT: Nvm.

HTC Ace
I have the Desire, and it's great. Rumoured HTC Ace (aka HTC Desire HD) coming in October ... bigger screen, more on board storage, HDMI out, same 1Ghz processor.
As much as I love my phone (even more now that it's rooted to Froyo), I would be tempted to hold off a couple of months to see what appears.

Orange choices

I can't be the only person facing this choice...
I need to replace my aging HTC Touch HD (Blackstone) as my contract expires the end of this month.
I have the choice of the Omnia 7 and HTC Mozart.
I was originaly leaning towards the Mozart but having seen a few reviews now the Omnia seems to be a possibly better bet.
There are conflicting opinions of the camera on the Mozart, some say it's great others saying it's not as good as the Omnia's 5MP job.
The screen does look beautiful on the Omnia but I just don't know. Maybe people having the same dilema as me or those who have made the choice already could add their opinions to aid me and possibly others!
Many thanks!

I had the same dilemna yesterday. My Touch Pro 2 broke and my phone insurance offered to try and get a replacement or offer me the cash (£360!!).
I looked at the Mozart and the Omnia and have opted for the Mozart. Spec wise they seem very similar, but I think the Mozart seems a bit sturdier. It is arriving on Tuesday!

Definitely go for the Mozart. The Galaxy S left a bad taste in my mouth. HTC build quality > Samsung build quality.

I like the Samsung built phones but HTC built phones are also good.
I would just look at the specs / battery life / display / extras etc.
That way you can find one that suits your needs.

The Samsung looks better, especially because the display blends well into the phone frame.
However considering how text and contrast heavy the WP7 UI is, the Pentile pattern in AMOLED isn't exactly optimal for sharpness. At least I can make the color fringing on texts as well as the gritty Pentile pattern in images out rather well (I guess having not yet bad eyes helps). Right now I have a Nexus and can make things out, a larger display will worsen it for me personally.
So I'm making the compromise and go for a HTC device with SLCD (Trophy tho, not the Mozart).
Also, in the end, the hit on the battery will be generally less, seeing how browsing is a major activity, and that most websites have white or bright backgrounds, without AMOLEDs power draw in play. Samsung has a bigger battery tho.

I went for the Mozart as the Omnia's screen is a little too large for me. It's due for delivery Monday but I won't get it until Tuesday or Wednesday as I'm not at my Billing Address.

Thanks for the input.
One of the concerns I had was regarding the build quality of the Samsung model since it hasn't really been their strong point on previous handsets.
I read different opinions on the casing of the Omnia 7, mostly saying it is much improved.

I got the Omnia 7 from Orange yesterday build quality is good and the screen is awsome... Free on 18 month contract £35 per month.... So will have the option to upgrade again Jan 2012 (after 15 months)........ Had no crashes so far!!

ebzrascal said:
I got the Omnia 7 from Orange yesterday build quality is good and the screen is awsome... Free on 18 month contract £35 per month.... So will have the option to upgrade again Jan 2012 (after 15 months)........ Had no crashes so far!!
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A question regarding the camera on the Omnia. Reviews have stated the flash is overpowering and not that useful. However I assume since it's LED it means that it can be turned on costantly for use on video recording and could double up as a torch.. something the Mozart with a xenon cannot do?
Thanks

I'm in exactly the same boat. I've been holding off upgrading for 4 months now to see how WP7 pans out. Would like to stay with Orange but this isn't a requirement.
I wanted to ask, has anyone actually tried the phones out before buying? Are the phones in the shops yet? I haven't got down to one yet (my second son was born yesterday, so I have a good excuse), so don't know. I don't think I'd want to commit to 18 months (at least) without trying the hardware out first.
And of course, there's always the HD2, sorry HD7 on O2. Like a mini-tablet, only fits in your pocket, unlike a Streak. I'll need to try this one out too.

Having spoken to Orange they aren't offering particularly good options with regards to renewing so I did look around. However what I was offered is still better than O2 will do so the HD7 was out for me.
The LG on Vodafone didn't really inspire me nor did the Trophy.
I wish the Venue Pro (Lightning was such a better name) was offered on a carrier.
I'm heading into town tomorrow so was going to ring up my local Orange shop to see if they had either handsets in stock so that i could have a play with them.
Another thing I was curious about that had been raised in other posts was if the Omnia had Gorilla glass as with the Galaxy. That would be a real plus point for me as i do worry about having such a big screen after managing to crack my Touch HD even though i treat my phones with great care.

mtb_baz said:
I'm in exactly the same boat. I've been holding off upgrading for 4 months now to see how WP7 pans out. Would like to stay with Orange but this isn't a requirement.
I wanted to ask, has anyone actually tried the phones out before buying? Are the phones in the shops yet? I haven't got down to one yet (my second son was born yesterday, so I have a good excuse), so don't know. I don't think I'd want to commit to 18 months (at least) without trying the hardware out first.
And of course, there's always the HD2, sorry HD7 on O2. Like a mini-tablet, only fits in your pocket, unlike a Streak. I'll need to try this one out too.
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Been with Orange for what seems like a life time and like you I'm also out of contract and looking for a suitable replacement. I actually jumped ship and went to o2 (for the best part of a day). I got the HD7 for £45 a month on a 24 month contract which includes insurance. I had to pay £49 for the handset though but to be honest I really didn't feel comfortable leaving Orange were I was paying £35 a month (which includes insurance) for less minutes...
Again being totally honest, the HD7 is a beast of a phone. Compared to my Blackstone (which I've flashed the hell out of) the HD7 is just stunning. The large screen and handset quality easily gives you bragging rights ahead of any phone. It just seemed to work out of the box but strangely enough, something just didn't feel right. Maybe it was the big screen that I used to drool over. Maybe it was the fact I had to leave Orange. Maybe it was the fact that I couldn't flash my phone no more. I just don't know. Because of these reservations, I reluctantly returned the phone (still in shock I did this). I've decided to give WP7 another chance and I have ordered the Samsung Omnia7 on Orange, which is free of charge on a 18 month contract for £35 a month, 600min and unlimited internet. The phone arrives on Monday and I will certainly give it a good try. The reviews I’ve read are encouraging so I’m keeping an open mind. If I still have any doubts about the phone, I’ll return it and wait for the Desire HD on Orange.
For me the jury is still out for WP7. Don't get me wrong, it very user friendly and intuitive, however my only concern is that the operating system has been completely locked down like the Iphone. Simple tasks like syncing with outlook and mass storage access through explorer is a thing of the past. For me, it’s a change of mindset. I’m cool with this but old habits die hard.

Can I just say to everyone considering a trophy...
Please go and check it out with your Hands!
It's a piece of plastic junk after seeing it in a vodafone store... it's definitely the super budget WP7...
Also take note the screens on Trophy and Mozart are different, the Mozart's being 0.1" less but a much better quality display to my eye!
Just talk with Orange, they are doing great deals on the Mozart, please get that instead of a trophy!
Also if you want OLED, Omnia 7 has a metal wrapped back... it's quite solid, there's no creaks! It's sexy.

Yeah even HTC says the HTC Trophy is their bottom of the line "budget" WP7 device. Not saying it's bad, just that it's meant to be the budget phone.

Phone Titan said:
I like the Samsung built phones but HTC built phones are also good.
I would just look at the specs / battery life / display / extras etc.
That way you can find one that suits your needs.
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I think he should only worry about exras, consiering all 1st gen phones are the bare minimum microsoft outlined
I mean, come on. Why didn't sammy put a hummingird in the omnia to atleast make it stand out a lil more?
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I think he should only worry about exras, consiering all 1st gen phones are the bare minimum microsoft outlined
I mean, come on. Why didn't sammy put a hummingird in the omnia to atleast make it stand out a lil more?
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Because MS told them not to, they're strict. And that's good for us.. we all know how Sammy screwed up galaxy s (maybe they'll fix it now - in november rls..NOT)

went into my local Orange shop today.
They don't have any Mozarts in and won't for a few days. They don't know when the Omnia is coming in and said only a limited number are available in the country.
So no new insights gained! I may just plump for the Omnia and if i don't like it i can return it for the Mozart.

What's the price difference between the Mozart and the Trophy... if its a budget wp7 phone?

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What's the price difference between the Mozart and the Trophy... if its a budget wp7 phone?
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Orange don't have the Trophy at the moment it's on Vodafone.
I have a leaflet here from Vodafone store:
FREE HTC 7 Trophy
- 300 minutes
- Unlimited standard UK Texts
- 500MB of UK Web access
£25 a month on a 24-month agreement
Same tariff on Orange
HTC Mozart
- 300 minutes
- Unlimited standard UK Texts
- 500MB UK Web Access
£25 a month on a 24-month agreement
Plus £100 handset cost.
(Or free on a more expensive tariff)
£100 over 2 years remember is £4.17 a month

I'm on the verge of ordering the Omnia I think.
Looking at reviews the camera picture quality seems better on the Omnia than the Mozart, likely due to Samsung having better camera hardware than HTC. I know the camera on my HD is attrocious.
It's so difficult to decide as there is so little between the launch hardware. I like HTC as a company as my Blackstone has been superb, just there is nothing stand out on the Mozart for me really...
Gutted that the Orange stores didn't have any in to play with though. In the past there have been clear choices, such as the Touch HD vs Xperia X1 was any easy decision for me.

[Q] Is the phone fit for purpose?

I have been wanting to buy the HOX since its day of release however I keep putting it off and am slowly losing confidence in the phone.
Initially, I decided to wait to see if the battery would handle the phone. Despite mixed reviews I've concluded that battery life isnt really an issue and would give me similar performance to my Desire which has been an amazing phone for the past 2 years.
Then came the big showstopper, the flickering screen. After weeks of agonising whether to wait or not, it now appears that this looks as if it will be fixed via a FOTA upgrade which is great. Just when I was getting my confidence back in the phone, people started reporting issues with the screen coming away from the main case, plus others have reported issues with the g-sensor.
I've had a play with the phone on a couple of occasions and I love it but is it really worth buying right now and going through the heartache of having to send it back and going through the lottery of getting several handsets before one works.
I'm not about to jump on the SGS3 bandwagon. If the phone is not worth buying at the moment, I'm sticking with my Desire as I'm prepared to wait a bit longer if all these problems will be addressed eventually. HTC are not filling me with much confidence at the moment though.
Any advice would be gratefully received.

craggybuk said:
I have been wanting to buy the HOX since its day of release however I keep putting it off and am slowly losing confidence in the phone.
Initially, I decided to wait to see if the battery would handle the phone. Despite mixed reviews I've concluded that battery life isnt really an issue and would give me similar performance to my Desire which has been an amazing phone for the past 2 years.
Then came the big showstopper, the flickering screen. After weeks of agonising whether to wait or not, it now appears that this looks as if it will be fixed via a FOTA upgrade which is great. Just when I was getting my confidence back in the phone, people started reporting issues with the screen coming away from the main case, plus others have reported issues with the g-sensor.
I've had a play with the phone on a couple of occasions and I love it but is it really worth buying right now and going through the heartache of having to send it back and going through the lottery of getting several handsets before one works.
I'm not about to jump on the SGS3 bandwagon. If the phone is not worth buying at the moment, I'm sticking with my Desire as I'm prepared to wait a bit longer if all these problems will be addressed eventually. HTC are not filling me with much confidence at the moment though.
Any advice would be gratefully received.
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i got mine 2 days after release, first had a dead pixel and no other problems, i took that back and got this one and has been 100% fine no issues i'm so confident it is perfect i unlocked and void warranty lol
i would go for it you will have 30 days to take it back anyway so no like oyu will be out of pocket if you do get a defect just take it back.

Personally I have had mine for 2 weeks I guess I been lucky the first one I had was very very hot after 15 minutes that was HT23 handset. I swapped it with a HT243W which looking at the forums seemed to be better build quality a lot more robust. Still warms up when playing games but not too the point of scalding.
I used Custom roms on mine and with ARHD I was getting good battery life I am considered a light user 5 hours listening pod casts, 2hrs surfing and a few phone calls. I have a long commute to work.
Overall I really really love this phone. I have no regrets in my decision on getting the one X.

I must be 1 of the lucky 1s, first handset and no faults ht23 batch. I'm glad I went for this instead of the S3. Does everything I need it to do smoothly and the battery lasts me just over a day with over 3 hours screen on time
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Where did you all get your handsets from. I'm looking at getting mine from mobiles.co.uk as they seem the cheapest for the handset on the length of contract I'm looking at.
I'm currently using GiffGaff as my provider but I cant afford to buy the phone outright so I'll be moving back to Orange when I eventually buy it. Thats why its important for me to only buy when I'm satisfied as I'll be going from £10 a month at GG to £26 a month with Orange.

Got mine from Clove.co.UK on release day. Not had a single issue.
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I got mine from o2
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your more likely to find people talking about problems on forums than people saying their device is perfect, simply because there is no reason to say "my device is perfect" but people report problems to let others know.
There are more perfect one xs than there are broken ones.
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Any advice would be gratefully received.
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The graphics issues (it's not just flickering) will be resolved via updates. If you're in no rush, there's no harm in waiting until the "all clear" is sounded.
The setting of the screen is a QC issue. The polls would indicate that either a lot of people are easily pleased, blind, or that the majority of phones are decent. If you're buying in-store compare a couple.
The biggest item (it doesn't qualify as an "issue") people aren't pleased with is that HTC uses two vendors for the display. One has a warm cast, the other cool. Most people seem to prefer the cool. If you can see the phone you're buying that shouldn't be an issue.
The only non-addressable issue is battery life and it's real. I get about 15-20% less usage than on my i9100 doing exactly the same things. It's passable but no more.
Other than that I've had the phone over two weeks and not had a single issue. There are no QC issues, the displays brilliant, and Wi-Fi/BT/3G all work better than on my i9100. Coming from TW I also really like Sense. It really is a terrific value; especially for less than a 16GB SGS3.

ive been the most vocal about QC issues
but i love the HOX despite all this and think its worth some effort, really amazing in every word, futuristic phone
having said that, i truly think no one with flawed HOX should keep it, exchange until you get yourself a flawless One X to enjoy and as BarryH_GEG said its best to pick it by hand it store
as for the displays, the colder one is more pleasant to the eye/brighter but the warmer one is more accurate and have better contrast/clean grid, users reported recalibrated colors for the warm screen after the 1.29
corruption glitches seems mostly gone with 1.29 too, this leaves the grey flicker occurring after over heating which im also hoping will be sorted with updates, since its never being permanent and Transformer prime suffered from something similar which eventually got sorted by updates
make sure to hand pick your unit and if you can't be bothered wait a while, im pretty sure HTC is working on the production issues
i don't think the SGS3 comes close

No issues here neither.
Battery lasts well enough, even with heavy use (phone calls, texts), lots of games, browsing, apps will kill the battery.
No screen issues.
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Sorry if I sound like I'm flaming you, however I have to right?
The title of this thread is just utterly ridiculous. Of course this phone is fit for purpose, primarily because it can make texts & calls. It's amazing how many people are complaining about this phone and saying it isn't right. If you buy a phone within the first two months, maybe even three of it being launched, these are problems you have to expect to get.
The build quality issues are inexcusable. As far as I'm concerned the first batch should be as good as the very last batch made, however I know this isn't always the case due to different factories ect.
As for the software, I think almost every single smartphone on the planets initial software is flawed in one way or another. I suppose technically you could argue the One X is running 'Beta' firmware. It's Kernel is took from Gingerbread rather than ICS. In my opinion HTC rushed the release.
Until a phones initial release, there is never any mass software testing and so there are always going to be bugs. When I got my Desire HD on launch day, despite being an OTA the second I got home the phone still had a severe battery drain and performance issues that weren't sorted out for months! It was around February when those issues got sorted, and that update got pulled because it introduced new bugs.
The One X is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship. You can tell that it's design has really been took into consideration, and despite being on my 4th device (I'm very happy with this one) I don't regret getting my One X and completely recommend it to you, it will not disappoint.
So the answer to your question, the One X is certainly fit for purpose. Feel free to flame me people, it's just my opinion.
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craggybuk said:
I have been wanting to buy the HOX since its day of release however I keep putting it off and am slowly losing confidence in the phone.
Initially, I decided to wait to see if the battery would handle the phone. Despite mixed reviews I've concluded that battery life isnt really an issue and would give me similar performance to my Desire which has been an amazing phone for the past 2 years.
Then came the big showstopper, the flickering screen. After weeks of agonising whether to wait or not, it now appears that this looks as if it will be fixed via a FOTA upgrade which is great. Just when I was getting my confidence back in the phone, people started reporting issues with the screen coming away from the main case, plus others have reported issues with the g-sensor.
I've had a play with the phone on a couple of occasions and I love it but is it really worth buying right now and going through the heartache of having to send it back and going through the lottery of getting several handsets before one works.
I'm not about to jump on the SGS3 bandwagon. If the phone is not worth buying at the moment, I'm sticking with my Desire as I'm prepared to wait a bit longer if all these problems will be addressed eventually. HTC are not filling me with much confidence at the moment though.
Any advice would be gratefully received.
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As an owner, I think the battery issue is the biggest for me. Also, I'm not happy about not supporting OTG.
If you can find a phone that fits your needs with better battery life, go for it
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jaaystott said:
So the answer to your question, the One X is certainly fit for purpose. Feel free to flame me people, it's just my opinion.
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What's your purpose?
I would prefer a phone I can feel comfortable taking out of the city for a few days, and with some way to access external storage - be it OTG or usb...
In hindsight, the One X is like a gaming phone or something.

I dont think that any phone is 100% perfect for everyone that buys it. Its all about compromises. This is probably why quite a few people carry two handsets with them.
Any new device released will have its teething issues…. even many cars launched have recalls in the first few months.
As I said, I have no issues with mine at all. Screen has no faults, its not lifting from the body, I am always able to have the phone on charge (even though I am a field based engineer) but lasts well enough when off charge.
The only time i see the battery drain quickly is when browsing the net, tethering or playing games. Texting, emailing, facebook dont seem to kill the battery that much as its generally just for a few moments rather than 10 or 20 minutes with the screen on.
We buy a phone cos its thin, huge screen, good looking and has a quad core processor….. surely its not rocket science to know that the battery isnt going to last as well as a Nokia 6310i?
Steve

Supaiku said:
What's your purpose?
I would prefer a phone I can feel comfortable taking out of the city for a few days, and with some way to access external storage - be it OTG or usb...
In hindsight, the One X is like a gaming phone or something.
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The OP was basically asking is this phone fit for purpose, so I assume he means as a phone, as a phone its more than fit for purpose

jaaystott said:
The OP was basically asking is this phone fit for purpose, so I assume he means as a phone, as a phone its more than fit for purpose
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You know those 30 dollar nokias make great phones... and they will last days on a single charge! Plus they're smaller...

Hi guys, thanks for all the replies. It seems that the majority of you are happy with the One X.
Just to clear up a what I mean by fit for purpose. I want a handset which isnt going to fall apart or malfunction beyond repair within 6 months. Some of the threads here are disturbing to say the least concerning the manufacturing issues with a select batch of handsets.
jaaystott, I don't think the title of the thread is ridiculous. I was asking a question based on what I have read here. If I had come out and said that the HOX WAS unift for purpose then you would have a point. Remember, I dont have the phone yet so I was asking a question that anyone would reasonable ask prior to spending a substantial amount of cash.
I am tempted to see what next week brings and then just bite the bullet and buy one.

craggybuk said:
Hi guys, thanks for all the replies. It seems that the majority of you are happy with the One X.
Just to clear up a what I mean by fit for purpose. I want a handset which isnt going to fall apart or malfunction beyond repair within 6 months. Some of the threads here are disturbing to say the least concerning the manufacturing issues with a select batch of handsets.
jaaystott, I don't think the title of the thread is ridiculous. I was asking a question based on what I have read here. If I had come out and said that the HOX WAS unift for purpose then you would have a point. Remember, I dont have the phone yet so I was asking a question that anyone would reasonable ask prior to spending a substantial amount of cash.
I am tempted to see what next week brings and then just bite the bullet and buy one.
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Well if that's all you're looking for, then just make sure your phone doesn't have any build quality issues before you do something to void the warranty (like unlock it w/ HTCdev) and you're set. My One X has no build quality issues, and if you check out the "One X War Stories" thread to see about how well the One X fairs when subjected to "cruel and unusual punishment" ;p
For instance:
hamade said:
I've received the first case after around a week, but during that time I've dropped the phone at least 4 times, always on a solid floor and from around 1 meter height, and I can honestly say I am really impressed with the quality of the packing, there is not even one visible scratch on the phone or the screen.
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HOX: Fail % so high it's not worth buying?

Ok guys, just got my Sensation XE stolen and in need of a new phone. Can't really find any SXE around and the only viable option from HTC is the HOX. BUT THERE ARE SO MANY REPORTS OF PROBLEMS with this phone. Most users are on their second or third one.
I don't want to buy a phone just to send it in to get repaired....
What's up, problem sorted now or are there still bad phones out there?

Sebastian768 said:
Ok guys, just got my Sensation XE stolen and in need of a new phone. Can't really find any SXE around and the only viable option from HTC is the HOX. BUT THERE ARE SO MANY REPORTS OF PROBLEMS with this phone. Most users are on their second or third one.
I don't want to buy a phone just to send it in to get repaired....
What's up, problem sorted now or are there still bad phones out there?
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not if you age a new batch
later SH/HT25 and above

Plus I think with the old HT23 & HT24's it was calculated that about 15% had issues if that... I may be wrong and muffed up the numbers... I think it was 15% at it's highest.

The-Last-Hylian said:
Plus I think with the old HT23 & HT24's it was calculated that about 15% had issues if that... I may be wrong and muffed up the numbers... I think it was 15% at it's highest.
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The media are great at making problems seem a lot bigger than they are too.
You should be okay if you buy one.

Oh yeah, I'm sure that you'll be fine

Got an early HOX batch and ZERO problems!
The only bug that was scaring me(that I didn't get) was the flickering issue but HTC managed to resolved anyway with FW upgrades :good:
I am pretty sure sgs3 got problems too in early stages

Yea the sgs 3 had signal problems. My one x is HT24 and I havent had any issues.

ste1164 said:
Yea the sgs 3 had signal problems. My one x is HT24 and I havent had any issues.
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Same

Have an early HOX as well and havent had any problems from day one. Extremely happy with it so far and getting more and more impressed with every day that passes!!! Wouldnt trade it for the world!!

Bought a HOX at the first week of release. No problems so far, and BTW, it doesnt happen to often that people create topics just to announce that their phone works
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HT23 here, absolutely perfect device. No problems at all.

Got my HOX days after the release, no problems, no nothing, neither on stock nor custom rom. The only thing is that u def. have to flash a custom rom since the stock rom is one hell of a battery eater...

Haven't read a lot in the media, more trolling around here and past experiences with HTC QC.
Incredible S: lost connection with screen, new phone (Warranty)
Sensation XE : Lost WIFI/Wifi error after 1 month, changed something (Warranty)
Sensation XE : Wouldn't turn on one week after I got it back, changed mainboard (Warranty)
I don't want to buy a phone that need to be repaired

animaleyes76 said:
The media are great at making problems seem a lot bigger than they are too.
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So are a minority of unhappy owners on this forum. Mine's a March-build that I've had since April. No issues and it works as well today as it did when I got it. Look at it this way, if you're in to martyrdom and you get a bad specimen, there’s no better forum on XDA to find people to commiserate with.

People should really bear in mind that unhappy people with faulty phones make the most noise, and are the most visible online. You wouldn't really see thousands of people yelling on the internet "OMG MY PHONE IS PERFECTLY FINE!!!! HELP!!!"

Ive had my HOX for over two - three months now and its meant to be in the affected batch but mine is perfect (touch wood, touch wood) unlocked bootloaoder flashed many roms its fine
Go for it

XDA
XDA is prob THE single best way for manufacturers to keep tabs on problems with their devices. If I worked either in HTC QC, R&D or marketing I would read EVERY SINGLE POST HERE. Large scale in-house testing is expensive, but large fail rates even more expensive. The amount of valuable information here is greater than the invaluable.
Developing a new phone demands creativity in the R&D department. A bunch of people sit in a room and throw ideas arround, the more people the more ideas and the more messy it get's. Less people is easier to handle, but it might curbe creativity and they might miss that one crazy guy who has a stupid idea who sets of some genius in the corner....a new company could make a phone just by using XDA as R&D
The thing is, every manufacturers accounting department calculates in a certain DOA/fail rate/warranty repair cost in their budget for each device they make. It's a little bit like "will testing this device more cost us more than the estimated return will?" In a sense (humm humm) phones cost more because they calculate a set cost for failure. Then you have the Marketing department, they look at costs connected to loss of market standings. If they end up loosing too much money on returns and marketing can prove loss av brand value, they spend more money on testing. So, XDA in a way is very important.
It's crowdsourcing phone development.....we get better phones because people complain about the stuff that doesn't work!
If you say XDA is just a bunch of nerds and not real people, they I say real people want tomorrow what the nerds have today. Satisfy the nerd, make money on the non-nerds.

XDA
One more thing, in marketing you have the 1-3 rule. You will tell 3 people when you're not satisfied with service or a product, but only 1 when your happy...