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[Q] Apps2SD worth it?

So with 2 gb of storage (is that 2gb on the internal sd? or on the phone?) is APPS2SD worth it? Don't you lose a little speed depending on your card? I'm going with my 16gb class 2 because I wanted more space than my 8gb which is a class 6.
Can someone break down the multi storage?
We got storage on the phone, storage on an internal 'usb' and we got the external sd? how do they work with each other, what holds what for apps, etc.

I don't own one yet. I have to wait until Sunday to get mine for reasons I won't go into here. So I'll answer this as best I can with just my in store observations as I checked this part out thoroughly.
The phone comes with 16gb internal(USB) storage and an SD card slot. Phones with USB storage partition some portion of that USB storage for installing apps and the components of the phones OS. My observation that was of the 16gb internal on the Epic 4G touch, 2GB was in the 'secure' partitioned area for app installation leaving just over 11 GB free in the USB accessible area for putting your own files, camera storage, etc. This tells me that the phone is nabbing ~3GB for the OS and it's internal file system. Of the 2GB in the protected app installation area, there was roughly 1.7GB free.
From Froyo forward the developer had the option adding the ability to move the app to the SD card after you install it. In the case of the 4G touch, I'm not sure if you get the option of picking whether you want to install to the unused(11GB) area of USB storage or to the actual SD card in the microsd slot. I would hope that they give you this option. When you move an app from the internal non accessible app installation area, only a large portion of the app is moved, there is still some portion that remains in this 'protected'(on non rooted phones) app install area, in this example the 2GB partition mentioned earlier.
Eventually even with moving apps to the sd card, this 2gb area will fill up, and not all apps offer the ability to move to the SD card, though more are being updated to add this feature. Though you would have to install a TON of apps(and/or install a lot that don't allow moving to SD card) to fill it.
For example the Epic 4g only has 512MB total ROM for app installation. On my rooted, SRF 1.2(Bloatware removed) Epic 4g before I install apps, I have close to 400MB free in this area. Using the move apps to SD card on all the apps I have that offer it, I have roughly 85 apps installed and still have a little over 100MB free.
Again, your mileage will vary based on the apps and whether they offer to move to SD card. But knowing this and knowing that the 4G touch has 1.7 GB free, you can extrapolate that you will have enough room to install a boatload of apps before space becomes an issue.
HTH

PsycloneTW said:
I don't own one yet. I have to wait until Sunday to get mine for reasons I won't go into here. So I'll answer this as best I can with just my in store observations as I checked this part out thoroughly.
The phone comes with 16gb internal(USB) storage and an SD card slot. Phones with USB storage partition some portion of that USB storage for installing apps and the components of the phones OS. My observation that was of the 16gb internal on the Epic 4G touch, 2GB was in the 'secure' partitioned area for app installation leaving just over 11 GB free in the USB accessible area for putting your own files, camera storage, etc. This tells me that the phone is nabbing ~3GB for the OS and it's internal file system. Of the 2GB in the protected app installation area, there was roughly 1.7GB free.
From Froyo forward the developer had the option adding the ability to move the app to the SD card after you install it. In the case of the 4G touch, I'm not sure if you get the option of picking whether you want to install to the unused(11GB) area of USB storage or to the actual SD card in the microsd slot. I would hope that they give you this option. When you move an app from the internal non accessible app installation area, only a large portion of the app is moved, there is still some portion that remains in this 'protected'(on non rooted phones) app install area, in this example the 2GB partition mentioned earlier.
Eventually even with moving apps to the sd card, this 2gb area will fill up, and not all apps offer the ability to move to the SD card, though more are being updated to add this feature. Though you would have to install a TON of apps(and/or install a lot that don't allow moving to SD card) to fill it.
For example the Epic 4g only has 512MB total ROM for app installation. On my rooted, SRF 1.2(Bloatware removed) Epic 4g before I install apps, I have close to 400MB free in this area. Using the move apps to SD card on all the apps I have that offer it, I have roughly 85 apps installed and still have a little over 100MB free.
Again, your mileage will vary based on the apps and whether they offer to move to SD card. But knowing this and knowing that the 4G touch has 1.7 GB free, you can extrapolate that you will have enough room to install a boatload of apps before space becomes an issue.
HTH
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Thanks for the great explanation. I had a similar rooted setup on my OG Epic. Almost 100 apps and maintained just over 100mb available.
By the way, when you remove the bloatware that you CAN remove (only like 6 apps) you'll be pretty close to 2gb available. However, I've already added all my apps onto my Epic Touch, and still have 1.47gb available for apps. I see no reason to move anything to SD right now, as I assume it slows down just a tad trying to retrieve the apps from the sd. I imagine as I load some upcoming bigger games, I may find the need, but not right now.

I was just discussing this with a buddy on irc. there is absolutely no reason to have a2sd any more. out of the box my phone had 11.8gb of rom free. no way you are going to install ~12gb of apps on your phone. I just reformatted my 32gb sd card and am only using it for storage now. I love this phone.
I tested before formatting my card and when you do use a2sd it goes to the sd card (internal rom) and not the external sd card. at least how it worked for me.

I was struggling with app space memory on my Evo 4G and moved any app I could find to SD (except for Meridian Player -- widgets will not work if you move the app to SD). On my Galaxy Tab, with 2GB or app space, I've loaded a ****load of apps, most of which are games I never play. I haven't moved a single app to SD and I still have 400MB free, or more free app space that the Evo 4G had out of the box. If you're the kind of person that will download and install any app indiscriminately, you may need to start moving some of them to SD. But for typical use, 2GB basically covers it.

There's always link2sd which moves the app,library files and cache to the ext partition you setup on sdcard.
Great for app junkies like myself and the 700+ apps I currently use on my g2x. Can't wait to test it out on my epic 4g touch tomorrow!
The expression on peoples faces when they try to scroll thru all my phones apps is priceless lol
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d12unk13astard said:
There's always link2sd which moves the app,library files and cache to the ext partition you setup on sdcard.
Great for app junkies like myself and the 700+ apps I currently use on my g2x. Can't wait to test it out on my epic 4g touch tomorrow!
The expression on peoples faces when they try to scroll thru all my phones apps is priceless lol
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henbone11 said:
I was just discussing this with a buddy on irc. there is absolutely no reason to have a2sd any more. out of the box my phone had 11.8gb of rom free. no way you are going to install ~12gb of apps on your phone. I just reformatted my 32gb sd card and am only using it for storage now. I love this phone.
I tested before formatting my card and when you do use a2sd it goes to the sd card (internal rom) and not the external sd card. at least how it worked for me.
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I will partially agree with this. If you download something like CoPilot or Sygic GPS nav that uses your device to store maps, this measly 11.8GB will evaporate rather quickly.
Those, you'd definitely WANT to move to SD.

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Lol exactly
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d12unk13astard said:
Lol exactly
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How many pages did he go to find this one? Lol

Power84 said:
How many pages did he go to find this one? Lol
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1, I searched
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d12unk13astard said:
There's always link2sd which moves the app,library files and cache to the ext partition you setup on sdcard.
Great for app junkies like myself and the 700+ apps I currently use on my g2x. Can't wait to test it out on my epic 4g touch tomorrow!
The expression on peoples faces when they try to scroll thru all my phones apps is priceless lol
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How can someone possible use 700+ apps on their phone. On sure over half never even get opened.
Hit me up on gtalk @musclehead84

I just like having everything available and seeing peoples reactions when they scroll thru my phone. Link2sd is bo$$ for that reason since regular apps2sd only fits a fraction of my apps/games.
Btw just got my epic 4g loving it!
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SD card as external vs sd-ext

Advantages and disadvamtages? What are they?
Thanks
Niall
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From my days on Desire, I found D2EXT much better cos ALL of the app was moved and the system was tricked into thinking the EXT part of the memory card was actually the internal memory (NAND). For some strange reason there was only few roms that had it (hence why i was on MIUI on my desire).
Don't understand the Xperia Play forum, very disorganised, gonna use http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1374061 to move my apps to SD card. Defo want more apps, hate this running out of space!!!!

Nhialor said:
Advantages and disadvamtages? What are they?
Thanks
Niall
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Basically the use of having an ext partition in your sdcard in the 1st place is our device's very poor internal storage(400mb) and the system is already taking up about half of it.
If you notice other devices with high internal storage as default (8gb, 16, 32gb like Galaxy S, SII, Note, Etc.,) doesnt even bother having it, even though its still possible.
If youre installing some user apps and its frustrating because you cant move it to SD card via settings menu, its because the app wants you to install it to the internal memory,
as they “believe” the app wouldn’t work in your SD card. If youre using a higher internal storage smartphone this isn’t much an issue to you, but if youre struggling for space,
this is quite annoying.
So the use of an ext-partition in your sd card is needed for those apps unmovable via the “normal way”.
Some 3rd party apps such as Link2sd(my personal favourite), Simple2Ext(CM7 rom), Apps2Sd, and many more out there will make use of this partition
These tools will “fool” your system in linking those user apps to your internal memory where in reality they’re moving it into your ext-partition, which is basically to your sd card also.
Take note that some apps though(well, not much) are not functional if they’re in the ext partition. In my experience only 2 apps failed to work, Beautiful Widgets and Minecraft pocket edition. I don’t know about others since
almost all apps seem to function well in the ext partition.
Not only that, some apps also(such as titanium backup) can convert a system app to a user app, so you can move it to your sd card using Link2Sd! But I wouldn’t recommend it though, I’m reading a lot of threads here
which system apps are safe to transfer/freeze/delete, so I have some system apps converted to user and now on my ext partition. Sweet.
Hope Ive helped.

Can I second noojster on Link2SD. Both minecraft and beautiful widgets work fine for me. Jelly Defense doesn't seem to like it though. Only one I have found so far.

[Q] Internal mem. FULL app data files to SD card?

Ok, so I understand the whole 2GB's System Storage & 11.something Internal Storage that somehow make up 16GB right?
I bought a 32 GB micro SD card that is virtualy not even being used by the phone. I have enough space on the 2gb portion for all of my apps, my problem is that whenever I download an app like GTA3, Six Guns, or Modern Warfare it saves all the date files on the 11gb Internal instead of the 32GB micro SD.
This is so dumb, I have already filled the 11gb's with so much app data and I wanted to know if there is a workaround or something, maby disable the 11GB's Internal storage so that I can have 32gbs for all the data dump. Anybody had this problem???

Its very annoying right, I cant get link2sd to work either because of the way this s2 is partitioned. Depending on what ROM or version Android your running you might be able to unmount internal sd in storage options, or maybe try the data bind method thats somewhere in these forums.
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bump...also interested in a solution for this.

Me too
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Yes. It is very annoying I know how you feel.

[Q] anything like HBOOT to repartition internal memory?

Hi!
As I understand the Xperia S has a huge internal memory of 32GB, but this is parted into two partitions: One for Apps (known as /data on my HTC Desire) and one for all kinds of user data (/sdcard).
Right?
I know I can move most parts of most apps to /sdcard with internal functions. But not all apps.
So I would like to have more space for apps - is there anything like HBOOT / http://alpharev.nl to repartition the internal memory for the XS? Anything to make the app partition e.g. 5GB instead of 2GB?
Or: Is there any custom rom which uses the whole internal memory at once with no extra partition mounted to /sdcard? As I understand, this is the way google wants to handle this in ICS. One big internal memory for all purposes.

First, there is a SD card, a data one, a system one, a cache one, boot and maybe some obscure ones. Second, as I'm aware, no known way to increase it. And you don't need a huge partition. You can have a hell lot of apps with 2 GB. The data goes to SD card anyway.
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Felimenta97 said:
And you don't need a huge partition. You can have a hell lot of apps with 2 GB. The data goes to SD card anyway.
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to be honest, I am not sure about this.
At the moment I have a Desire with /data 1,5GB (via ext4 partition). I have only 200MB(!) left!
I have no big games on the phones. Some apps are moved to sd, additional. And there are no many big ones on my phone.
e.g. Facebook has 50MB and cannot be moved. G+ 30MB and I want to use the widget, so it is not moved. Amazon App Shop 30MB, cannot be moved. wetter.com 20MB and this is after moving!
And these are all of the huge apps on my Desire with only 200MB free. the other apps are odds and ends.
So, projected to the XS I would have 700MB free in the moment. And there are many apps I had to delete on my Desire and I want do install them. e.g. the Simpsons game 100MB and cannot be moved ...
/data 233MB free of 1511MB:
/data/app 426MB
/data/dalvik-cache 387MB
/data/data 300MB
/data/app_s 97MB

I, sometimes get to go through my apps list, I look at each one of them, and think: Do I really need this app? I can't uninstall it and download when I need it again?
It may help you.
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hm, this sounds like shortage management. And when I by a new phone I do not want to do shortage management, particularly on a phone with 32GB.
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But seriously: my smartphone is my digital Swiss army knife. I do not want to think about "do I need this app the next week?" And even worse "there was an app long time ago which would help me now, but which one from the bunch of similar named app was the one?"

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hm, this sounds like shortage management. And when I by a new phone I do not want to do shortage management, particularly on a phone with 32GB.
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But seriously: my smartphone is my digital Swiss army knife. I do not want to think about "do I need this app the next week?" And even worse "there was an app long time ago which would help me now, but which one from the bunch of similar named app was the one?"
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I get it... Well. I'm running out of options right now... Maybe move some apps to system? Needs root, tough
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dont know if this is what youre looking for:
well for storage you have 2gig phone memory and 25.80 internal memory,
all of the apps installed on your phone if you didnt move to sd will go to the phone memory which is 2gig,
all of the datas,obb files,pictures,movies,etc.. will be loaded on internal memory,
so the 2gig memory on your phone will be big enough for all your apps, meaning only the .apk files are stored on phone memory
and not the data.

Internal storage moving to external storage ?

My internal storage is really loaded whit junks etc now I can't even install games because I lack space...
So my sdcard is 4 years old never bothered to buy a new one or anything I have some space free and I'm just not sure how to move it into my sdcard...
And on my internal memory I got a lot of same folders as my external sd not sure if I move them will it duplicate folders or overwrite them will I loose my songs ? Etc...
I know nooby question but never bothered myself before so yeah...
Thanks !
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Move all unnecessary files to your external sd card. It will only duplicate files if you select to copy them so remember to MOVE them and leave your internal memory for apps, games, and any folders the phone will automatically create. If you notice a drop in memory just clear the cache on a regular basis.
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LuigiBull23 said:
Move all unnecessary files to your external sd card. It will only duplicate files if you select to copy them so remember to MOVE them and leave your internal memory for apps, games, and any folders the phone will automatically create. If you notice a drop in memory just clear the cache on a regular basis.
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Will try feedback soon thanks for the quick reply !
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I ran into same situation before. so I decided to invest in 32gb external card and moved my files there..they are fairly cheap now (like sub $25)
then I also found this thread by Zedomax and allowed me to swap internal and external now I have bigger external card reading as internal and smaller interal card reading as external so I can really load all kind of apps+data. pretty cool concept without spending more money for bigger internal card equiped GS3. here is the link..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1849844
here is the SD Card link.
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-MicroSDHC-Memory-Adapter-SDSDQU-032G-AFFP-A/dp/B009QZH7BU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1363797272&sr=8-1&keywords=micro+sd+32gb+card
I hope this help.

myowin said:
I ran into same situation before. so I decided to invest in 32gb external card and moved my files there..they are fairly cheap now (like sub $25)
then I also found this thread by Zedomax and allowed me to swap internal and external now I have bigger external card reading as internal and smaller interal card reading as external so I can really load all kind of apps+data. pretty cool concept without spending more money for bigger internal card equiped GS3. here is the link..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1849844
here is the SD Card link.
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-MicroSDHC-Memory-Adapter-SDSDQU-032G-AFFP-A/dp/B009QZH7BU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1363797272&sr=8-1&keywords=micro+sd+32gb+card
I hope this help.
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Per my understanding not all custom roms will work with this mod.