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Fellow xda people...
I'm a ms messenger addict, well I like it anyway and I've been looking forward to using it on my vario over uk T-mobile web'n'walk...I'm running black 2.5 so now I have the "windows live" thing on my today screen and I'm signed in...
thing is, seems to work...but i CANT STAND the way it insists on putting all my MSN contacts into my contact list! Does this annoy anyone else? Anyone found any clever work arounds?
Typical of microsoft trying to integrate an app and take over the whole machine - horrible?
cheers
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its so annoying...almost makes me want to use a different messenger client?
using black 2.0. cannot sign windows live from yesterday until now. it said no internet connectivity but i am connected with gprs and also wifi. can surf net also. it the mobile server different from the desktop?
I'm talking about the contacts in particular....
anyone else use messenger - windows live....polluting my contacts !
I had the same problem when I first used the live messenger beta a few months back. The final version does have the "sync contacts" optionality but as you say it still syncs them and creates duplicates and rubbish!
The only work around I found was to use outlook to copy and paste all the relevant info from the original contacts details into the new contacts created by messenger and then deleting the old one. This then avoids the duplication next time you flash and set up live.
unwired4 said:
The only work around I found was to use outlook to copy and paste all the relevant info from the original contacts details into the new contacts created by messenger and then deleting the old one. This then avoids the duplication next time you flash and set up live.
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That seems to work the best for me, I don't have to many contact and it wasnt that hard for me to delete them all and put them back in again - when you do this it asks what sort of contact you want - I think MS should have included a wizard that goes through your contacts when you first install them asking if you want Outlook, Contacts List and/or Messenger for each contact.
Another problem I found was everytime it synced from phone to computer, it would change my Messenger contacts, I found that if you edit the contact in Windows Messenger and make sure the name info is the same as what is one the phone has stored, it solves this problem, my contacts sync OK now.
I have the same issue, so i just reverted to using Pocket MSN...
Someone posted a workaround in the following thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1236933&postcount=22
Don't know if it's working since I didn't have time to install Live Messenger and try it out. Can someone try it?
My Workaround ...
Yeah,
I had the exact same problem. And i have HEAPS of contacts both messenger and outlook ... and of course ... i'm ridiculously anal about having everything exactly perfect ... so i fixed my contacts and reinstalled my phone ... hah
What i found worked for me, was before syncing the first time, make sure that you have outlook contacts corresponding to the email addresses of your messenger contacts. (ie: if windows live messenger sees you have an outlook contact with the same email address, it will just attach the msn display pic etc to that contact.
- Phixx
cheers for this...infuriating !
I have now taken the route one approach...deleted all the daft MS Messenger contacts and removed Windows Live from my today screen (I would delete it if I could)....Hope I never see it again!
The best way to deal with it is to make sure all of your contacts in MS Live have contact entries in Outlook. It sucks, but once you have all of your contacts sync'd up, it's pretty cool: you can see people's online status anywhere you see their contact info on the phone.
BTW; no matter what route you take, you MUST back up your Live contacts and your Outlook contacts on your PC. Seriously. Do it now. I made the mistake of not doing that, and during one of my many reloads, I somehow managed to wipe out my entire Outlook contacts list *and* my Windows Live contact list. It was not a fun day restoring that.
Go to Contacts->Save instant messenging contacts in Windows Live on your PC.
yeah, but i don't want my instant messenger stuff anywhere near my contacts...to me it's a separate app! (or it should be) MS trying to be too clever by half.
What would be nice is if it put the messenger emails in contacts under "emails" Ie personal / business and email catogries.
It really is quite annoying when sifting through the contact list to find a phone number and having to sift through 100's of mail addresses too.
Of course I do try to use the smart dialing but they still come up.
Just having to do these work arounds every reinstall / HR e.t.c is tedious at best.
LeoBadhan said:
I have the same issue, so i just reverted to using Pocket MSN...
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I want to do the same thing, only I can't find the install for pocket MSN, the only one I could find was on the MS site where you have to pay for it.. it came with my TyTN so I don't want to pay MS another €15 for it!
Can you please provide me the install file? whether it is in PM or in the thread
Thanks alot man
I quite like the way it works.. It's a little bit annoying if you have contacts who have really messed up their details online so that it can't link them to a phone contact, but other than that I really like it.
It would be nice if there was an advanced sync option where you could somehow pair orphan people on MSN to people in contacts on the phone so that it was aware they were the same person.. but I'm not gonna complain too much.
or just give you an option to turn it off.
I'm having an absolute nightmare with this!
I really like the idea in concept and want it to work.
I deleted the contacts it added to my phone adress book cos it looked messy not realising that when I sync'd with my PC it would delete them all (85) from messenger!
So I started re adding my msn contacts being careful to also have a corresponding Outlook contact and all was going well. I was getting them linked up nicely. Now all of a sudden, they've all gone again from my MSN on my PC!
I want this feature to work, I don't simply want to turn it off as some of you have done. How should I go about this?
Yes, me too.. There are nice features in Live messenger for WM, like showing display picture, voiceclip, sending files, pictures, etc, but this contacts problem is so darn annoying! I wish some wizzguy could look into a hack or solution
Greetz.
I just don't get it...
Microsoft has the next:
Windows
Windows Mobile
Hotmail
Windows Live Services
Windows Phone
My phone
MS Exchange
IE Mobile
and still.... you cannot power on your windows phone... do the magic... and have all your live/hotmail data on it.... i just don't get it...
i know... you cand have emails and contacts.... BUT what about the rest...
- no more than 50 emails at once... no option to download the hole message...
- the sent mail are not saved on the phone (with the settings done right)
- adding a contact on the phone will stay only on the phone... if you would like it on live contacts... you have to do it manually... on the stock rom this ended in a error... i don't know with newer versions... but still...
- no photo contacts
- NO CALENDAR sync
- no upload to live services from the album.... HOW's THAT MS?... you have youtube, facebook... but not your own service?...
- no acces to skydrive... you cand do it for photos... but with a too simple interface.... facebook has much better integration with photos...
- MS My phone does it all regarding to syncing.... and that's it... why not interacting with the live corespondents?...
and others that i cannot remember...
BUT....
GMAIL can do Exchange
Facebook can do photo share
Youtube can do video share
Opera works way better than IE
and now... WHY DO THEY CALL IT WINDOWS PHONE???? it should be ANYBODY'S PHONE
all the MS competitors have much better integration on a MS platform than MS themselves
So... is there a chance will get this in the future?
This seems a bit of a rant, but it also seems something that Microsoft are certainly addressing with Windows Phone 7.
One minor note about Exchange though, is that there are no devices that implement the full and complete set of Exchange Activesync tricks, apart from Windows Phone. It is the best experience, when on a WP, and you get stuff like SMS syncing.
Hi,
I currently use PIM backup to back my entire contacts and messages (Which amount to more than 3000 + )
Once windows 7 comes would PIM backup be available for it (As there are rumours that you can only install stuff from the windows market place for win 7)
If any of the members have some inside news it would be really appreciated..
(Like if MS is planning some way to transfer data from old phone) I am not talking about windows my phone though
Thanks a lot
Basically you have to get your contacts into Windows Live or some other email provider (exchange, GMail, etc) that will allow you to sync down your contacts. 3rd party apps won't be able to do it and at least as of now Zune doesn't have that capability. But I'm curious how they'll do it for the carriers. Maybe they will have some app that does it? It's a rather common exercise for the drones that work at the carriers stores to backup/transfer contacts for people. If I'm coming from my dumbphone and picking up a WP7 phone, I want to leave that store with my phone chock full of contacts.
RustyGrom said:
Basically you have to get your contacts into Windows Live or some other email provider (exchange, GMail, etc) that will allow you to sync down your contacts. 3rd party apps won't be able to do it and at least as of now Zune doesn't have that capability. But I'm curious how they'll do it for the carriers. Maybe they will have some app that does it? It's a rather common exercise for the drones that work at the carriers stores to backup/transfer contacts for people. If I'm coming from my dumbphone and picking up a WP7 phone, I want to leave that store with my phone chock full of contacts.
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I think contacts can be done easily (You can also use outlook)
It is the messages I was wondering about...
RustyGrom said:
Basically you have to get your contacts into Windows Live or some other email provider (exchange, GMail, etc) that will allow you to sync down your contacts. 3rd party apps won't be able to do it and at least as of now Zune doesn't have that capability. But I'm curious how they'll do it for the carriers. Maybe they will have some app that does it? It's a rather common exercise for the drones that work at the carriers stores to backup/transfer contacts for people. If I'm coming from my dumbphone and picking up a WP7 phone, I want to leave that store with my phone chock full of contacts.
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I thought the in store contact transfer was normally done via the SIM card, and is mildly limited.
shamreez said:
I think contacts can be done easily (You can also use outlook)
It is the messages I was wondering about...
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You have to sync it to a hosted service. There is no direct outlook sync.
l3v5y said:
I thought the in store contact transfer was normally done via the SIM card, and is mildly limited.
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Not all phones have SIM cards. Maybe this is a reason WP7 is GSM only right now?
shamreez said:
I think contacts can be done easily (You can also use outlook)
It is the messages I was wondering about...
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I think Microsoft Myphone is your best shot...
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I think Microsoft Myphone is your best shot...
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I would sync to MyPhone. With that many contact most likely take a while your first time(go for WiFi ) but once done MyPhone is coming to WP7 so I am only guessing but copy you profile across?
PIM backup on windows phone 7
I backuped my contacts using PimBackup..now I am on Windows Phone 7...
can I get my PIM backup into my phone 7 ???
Vito
vitolamanna said:
I backuped my contacts using PimBackup..now I am on Windows Phone 7...
can I get my PIM backup into my phone 7 ???
Vito
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No way to directly use your PIM backup on WP7. What you can try is sync your WM 6.5 device with your windows live account using Activesync, that should put your contacts and calendar in Windows Live though I'm not 100% sure which way the sync will go but since you have a backup you should be good. Or just use Outlook if you have it, install the hotmail connector and copy your data across. Helps if you change the view to List view so you can easily select all your data. Another way for Calendar items is to export them to ical format then import them into windows live. No way to transfer SMS messages though. HTH.
The question on my mind is, will Windows Phone 7 Sync with Outlook that is not connected via Exchange?
I don't care about the emails but Contacts, Appointments & Tasks are important.
I hear about the Outlook connector but it seems to me that my PIM data will be moved over to LIVE account and then get synced.
I have a personal and a business domain that are hosted somewhere and I use outlook to get all my emails. I don't want to sync/copy my personal & business contacts on windows live mail. I have been waiting for WP7 to come out in lieu of getting a new mobile and this is not encouraging.
I assume Zune software will be upgraded to do most of the job.
Have I been reading wrong articles? Please guide me and correct me.
from what i read contacts/appointments will only be through activesync. i don't believe tasks are working as of yet.
how are you connecting outlook to your personal and business domains? to get anything more than email alone (pop/imap), you would have to have some protocol (e.g. exchange) in place to allow the rest to flow through.
Thanks
I am using POP3 at the moment and I don't believe the hosting provider gives me IMAP but I can live with it.
So ActiveSync or Windows Mobile Device Center will still work to sync? I heard any talking to the device will only be done via Zune Software!
i thought sop too.. that zune software will be doing the sync insted of the active sync or windows device manager...
as MS will have some provision to sync with outlook or express...
i am waiting for the devices to be out in the market..
dell and HTC HDD is the one i am looking for...
I posted a question in MSDN forums and I am not getting clears answers there.
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Fo...s/thread/fb28aeec-7dbb-4c92-890a-a7763ae82b60
The Windows Phone Radio podcast has answered this question and they say that there is full Outlook integration, and that's aside from the already robust Exchange ActiveSync capabilities.
Thank you. That is a sigh of relief. I am going to get one now as soon as possible.
Spoke too soon. Other posts clarify that it will not be supported.
I cannot believe that WP7 does not sync with outlook. This is a dealbreaker for me, I have to be able to sync my work laptops outlook calendar and contacts with my phone!!
I was just about to buy one, looks like I`ll be forced to buy android.
Bummer.
WP7 will sync with outlook but not OFFLINE outlook i.e. Outlook not connected to Exchange or Cloud. So if you want to move your contacts and all apointments from PST file to WP7, you have to sync them to the cloud first.
I was hunting around last night looking for a solution to this, and the only software I can find which will perform a periodic sync of my work outlook calendar up into the cloud is google calendar sync - the irony that I`m forced to use google to solve this problem is not lost on me!!
I know there is a microsoft supplied outlook addin for hotmail - but its not much good for this problem - you have to MANUALLY drag appointments from outlook calendar to get them up into the cloud.
I would be interested to hear how others are going to address this problem - are there other solutions out there??
Doesn't look to me that there is a solution to this sort of wait for someone to write a program to do so or have MS release an update to Zune to do so.
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Doesn't look to me that there is a solution to this sort of wait for someone to write a program to do so or have MS release an update to Zune to do so.
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I think theres lot of ways round this, I just posted one method already!!!
Interested to hear how others will approach it.
That is the whole point. I don't want to put my personal and businee contacts and appointments onto the CLOUD. I just don't trust them with the privacy and security.
janemanno1 said:
That is the whole point. I don't want to put my personal and businee contacts and appointments onto the CLOUD. I just don't trust them with the privacy and security.
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I hear you, and Im not super keen on the concept either.
The only smartphone that nativley supports local outlook sync is iphone.
Well then that sux. I am all for WP7 par this. Any one has any idea about the REAL technical reasons behind this?
This doesn't sound encouraging.
I too have a similar issue. My company doesn't allow connecting to the Exchange server from personal phones and local Outlook sync was the only way for me to keep track of the meetings / tasks (also contacts) through my personal phone (Fuze).
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Well then that sux. I am all for WP7 par this. Any one has any idea about the REAL technical reasons behind this?
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There is no specific technical barrier that stops this. Its a conscious design decision to leave it out.
And theres no guarantee that MS` new closed approach to WP7 will mean that 3rd parties are allowed to write a local sync solution, either. Time will tell on that one.
The cloud is the future, aparrently, like it or not.
I am also concerned about my Outlook data. having my data in the Cloud bothers me too, I want the data with me not online. It doesn't matter how careful I am with data, anthing that is not under my direct control is at risk.
For example I have an email address shared only with friends which was all fine until one of my friend fell foul of a social network scam, not my email address is out in the wild and I'm recieving spam. i may be tech savvy, but some people should be allowed near a PC or phone. I don't want to put personal data in the Cloud only to have someone hack MS and gain access. Can you image a list of peoples diary saying where they are and when they are not at home, please come and rob me.
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I am also concerned about my Outlook data. having my data in the Cloud bothers me too, I want the data with me not online. It doesn't matter how careful I am with data, anthing that is not under my direct control is at risk.
For example I have an email address shared only with friends which was all fine until one of my friend fell foul of a social network scam, not my email address is out in the wild and I'm recieving spam. i may be tech savvy, but some people should be allowed near a PC or phone. I don't want to put personal data in the Cloud only to have someone hack MS and gain access. Can you image a list of peoples diary saying where they are and when they are not at home, please come and rob me.
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Take a pragmatic look at what data about you is out there on the internet and make a considered, risk based approach. If after that you still don`t like contacts and calendar events in the cloud, WP7 is not for you.
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Take a pragmatic look at what data about you is out there on the internet and make a considered, risk based approach. If after that you still don`t like contacts and calendar events in the cloud, WP7 is not for you.
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Very little is out there about me that I don't want out there. There's a difference between what is out there and what PERSONAL information I have in Outlook, which includes my diary, past and present, things I need to do, notes I make, etc.
I plan to look at WP7 once the devices are out and find out how things work myself before making a judgement either way. At the moment it's all speculation because very few people have their hands on one.
Does any one know where are the contacts stored in WP7?
I have tried almost all the Files and Directories in WP7
Dunno if it will be put somewhere hidden
any tips?
The People hub will combine all your Facebook and Live contacts.
If WP7 uses the same contact storage system as WM5/6 did, then it's a database file, using a specialized format. It was generally a bad idea to try accessing it directly in old Windows Mobile, so it's probably twice as bad of an idea to do it in WP7 without going through the appropriate APIs.
Actually, I would like to develop a desktop program which can SMS via Phone, and help you back up SMS conversation, or any other phone info.
But what I want to do first is retrieve all contacts info.