[Q] Bell desire Z root - G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

hey everyone i just bought a desire z from bell after having my vibrant die 3 times -.- (build number 1.34.666.5 cl##### build keys (too lazy to type the numbers out XD)) and was wondering what method should i use to root this phone help would be appreciated

People use Visionary or Gfree. Bith are good! I rooted usibg visionary r12 and havent rooted since and flashed like 7 roms already. I dont get the fuss about gfree. To me visionary got the job dobe bacm then
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I used Visionary too, but I think it was right before or around the time when people here started to say that method might cause some semi-bricks (or else I was bad at reading everything and missed the warnings). I used the Visionary method b/c I thought it was the easiest and safest at the time.
My takeaway from reading the various threads here is that Visionary seems slightly more likely to cause semi-bricks, and therefore not considered as safe as gfree. There has been a lot of discussion and debate here about Visionary being good/not good or safe/unsafe. But I think its hard to really know how likely a problem is to happen. Visionary works most the time. If that's you, you're golden. If not, well . . . then Visionary is not so good.
The gfree method is a bit more complicated, requiring you to input a good amount of commands into ADB and the terminal emulator. So you need to be careful you type the commands exactly per the instructions. But as with any rooting or flashing activities on these phones, follow the instructions carefully and you will be fine.
SO each method seems to have its risks and pros and cons. Of course, the choice is ultimately yours. If you haven't found all the guides, this page is invaluable:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916431
The gfree method is in the Wiki (first link in the Guides).

jark99 said:
People use Visionary or Gfree. Bith are good! I rooted usibg visionary r12 and havent rooted since and flashed like 7 roms already. I dont get the fuss about gfree. To me visionary got the job dobe bacm then
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You only need to root once and you can flash all million ROMs after that if you want (with the exception if you flash a stock ROM that removes root). So I'm not sure what you are getting at.
Perma-root on Visionary is a one time thing. Either it works or it doesn't. So if it works, you don't have to worry anymore about whether that method was not as safe as gfree. If it doesn't work, well that's a different story obviously.

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[Q] will there be a one-click permroot for the g2?

i'm not really comfortable with using adb and terminal to root my phone because im not willing to turn it into a $300 brick lol anyone know if there will ever be a one click perm root?
urfavoritemazn said:
i'm not really comfortable with using adb and terminal to root my phone because im not willing to turn it into a $300 brick lol anyone know if there will ever be a one click perm root?
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there is a program....hold on ill find it brb.....
FOUND IT!
http://android.modaco.com/content/software/320350/19-nov-r14-visionary-one-click-root/
it is called Visionary r14 and while its not 1 click it did mine in 2!
load on phone click temproot
also make sure usb debuggin is checked!!
then after it temp roots open up app again and click attempt perm root now
viola! thats all i did and been running roms ever since! hope that helps!
That might also brick your phone... you should get insurance on your phone then its only a 130 dollar brick but seriously use the rage method or use the new real root/sim unlock. Its stickied in the dev section. Its about as easy as it can be.
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I've never been excited about one-touch root methods. One small thing goes wrong, a glitch in the program or something and boom, dead phone. At least the other way if I brick it, it's my fault.
I'm practicing adb in preparation for the rooting of my phone, I'm aiming for a late December root.
AbsolutZeroGI said:
I've never been excited about one-touch root methods. One small thing goes wrong, a glitch in the program or something and boom, dead phone. At least the other way if I brick it, it's my fault.
I'm practicing adb in preparation for the rooting of my phone, I'm aiming for a late December root.
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Sounds sensible to me, I think the rage method is a lot better, at least you're in control over what it's doing and can see every step.
yea i would love a one quick root im a newbe but would like to root this phone
clamman said:
yea i would love a one quick root im a newbe but would like to root this phone
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Like shortlived and stevie said just try the rage method its fairly simple. Just take some time to learn how to use adb and then it'll be a breeze. Also adb is almost a necessity when it comes to rooting/modding android phones. Also if u get stuck or confused bout anything there are plenty of useful threads just search lol good luck
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Adb is very simple. All you need to know for the rage method is "adb push" if you can open a cmd window on your pc, learn a few dos commands like "cd" and "cd.." then your all set. There are some very good guides to get you set up with adb just check the stickies. And good luck!
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Just use visionary r14 to temp root. then look through the overclocking thread and find the GScript method of Overclocking. I permanently rooted my first g2 and then the sd card gave out on me and I sent in it for warranty. Idk if they checked to see if its rooted or not but I haven't been charged. The only issue with perma rooting the g2 is the fact that if you screw up they can see if you've tampered with it and if you've only temp rooted it, from what I understand, the temp root is much safer but you have to root it every time you reset your phone (turning it back on from an off state). small price to pay imo. GL though!
Get over your fear, read over the instructions, and root using rage. It took me a half-hour to root my phone, and that was the first thing I did when I got it.
I think the new easiest way is gfree? I haven't done it because I was already permrooted. It also should unlock your phone (sim, radio, some other thing I don't remember.)
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There is a video that walks you thru rooting with VISIONary r14. I followed the video and worked perfectly. Just a note I unistalled my version of VISIONary first then followed there video on temp-rooting first and then onto perm-rooting. I bricked my first G2, got it replaced and was scared to try again, but if followed there videos and worked out perfect, now running CyanogenMod 6.1 rc4 and my phone is super charged. heres the links thanks to dcogen:
Do this to gain temp root:
http://theunlockr.com/2010/10/20/how...ionary-method/
Then this to gain permanent root:
http://theunlockr.com/2010/11/30/how...g2-htc-vision/
Then this to flash a recovery and load a custom ROM:
http://theunlockr.com/2010/11/30/how...g2-htc-vision/
And here's how to completely unroot for good measure :
http://theunlockr.com/2010/12/01/how...g2-htc-vision/
Note: I was running stock OTA updated rom, rebooted to un-temproot, installed VISIONARY r14 from MODACO's website and followed the videos to the tee(first temproot video, even though I already knew how to temp root, I followed exactly what they did in the video to temp root. second Perm rooted following the video, then installed custom ROM per video), I used the link in the perm root video to download the wpthis.ko file and the hboot.img
http://www.youtube.com/user/BlackPrince310#p/u/7/tU9zn_BEth4
Try this. Worked great for me.
joemm said:
There is a video that walks you thru rooting with VISIONary r14. I followed the video and worked perfectly. Just a note I unistalled my version of VISIONary first then followed there video on temp-rooting first and then onto perm-rooting. I bricked my first G2, got it replaced and was scared to try again, but if followed there videos and worked out perfect, now running CyanogenMod 6.1 rc4 and my phone is super charged. heres the links thanks to dcogen:
Do this to gain temp root:
http://theunlockr.com/2010/10/20/how...ionary-method/
Then this to gain permanent root:
http://theunlockr.com/2010/11/30/how...g2-htc-vision/
Then this to flash a recovery and load a custom ROM:
http://theunlockr.com/2010/11/30/how...g2-htc-vision/
And here's how to completely unroot for good measure :
http://theunlockr.com/2010/12/01/how...g2-htc-vision/
Note: I was running stock OTA updated rom, rebooted to un-temproot, installed VISIONARY r14 from MODACO's website and followed the videos to the tee(first temproot video, even though I already knew how to temp root, I followed exactly what they did in the video to temp root. second Perm rooted following the video, then installed custom ROM per video), I used the link in the perm root video to download the wpthis.ko file and the hboot.img
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Exactly what I did to the T. Great instructions and explains them in dummy form on the vids, as well as written.
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SuperCID, SIMUnlock, Radio S-Off is the new Permroot. Its actuallty true permroot. Those of you who think your permrooted technically arent. You just have a "hacked" Hboot. Doing the gfree method allows you to
1: Flash pc10img (stock rom) without the whole hex editing process and also flash roms from another carrier.
2: Your sim is unlocked (maybe wont matter for some of you but its nice to have for travel)
3: S-off, need I say more.
When flashing back to stock you also keep S-Off and do not lose it via gfree and from what I'm hearing soon there will be a way to revert back to S-On via gfree. Just incase we need to send our phones back in for any reason. Cant leave any trail of evidence.
many thanks
finally got the courage and did it. now running cyanogen. thanks so much guys.
luis86dr said:
SuperCID, SIMUnlock, Radio S-Off is the new Permroot. Its actuallty true permroot. Those of you who think your permrooted technically arent. You just have a "hacked" Hboot.
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Sorry that's not right. SuperCID/SIM Unlock/Radio S-OFF doesn't have anything to do with perm root. Yes, this is the new way of totally unlocking your phone, but you can be full perm rooted and still have radio S-ON.
Seems to be that some people use the term "permanent root" to refer to a full unlock rather than just the rooting ability itself (i.e. run as the root user).
I think what you means to say is that those you who think you are S-OFF without running gfree technically aren't, you've got an engineering hboot which makes it look like S-OFF.

So need help perm rooting

Okay I have a G2, just got it and I need to perm root it. I looked at the sticky guide but most of the links aren't loading for me, don't know why, either thread isn't there or link expired or w/e. I don't know, but I need some help.
First, how do I find out if I have 1.72 or an earlier version
Second, do I use "rage"? method or VISIONary and what's the latest version of visionary?
Third, about how long does the process take?
Any help is appreciated.
James_Caliber said:
Okay I have a G2, just got it and I need to perm root it. I looked at the sticky guide but most of the links aren't loading for me, don't know why, either thread isn't there or link expired or w/e. I don't know, but I need some help.
First, how do I find out if I have 1.72 or an earlier version
Second, do I use "rage"? method or VISIONary and what's the latest version of visionary?
Third, about how long does the process take?
Any help is appreciated.
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Every thing you need to know about rooting is in here http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision just start reading from Rooting the Vision (G2/DZ) and DHD or you can read the whole page. Don't use VISIONary, you have a chance of getting stuck in a boot loop, use Rage and GFree. You'll need the android SDK to get ADB. I'm not sure how long rooting takes, I haven't done it yet as I don't have my G2 until next week but I have been reading about root for the past week. From what I know, 1.72 is only if you have a Desire Z. If you have any more questions, I'm sure me or another member can answer you.
KoolKidsKlub said:
Every thing you need to know about rooting is in here http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision just start reading from Rooting the Vision (G2/DZ) and DHD or you can read the whole page. Don't use VISIONary, you have a chance of getting stuck in a boot loop, use Rage and GFree. You'll need the android SDK to get ADB. I'm not sure how long rooting takes, I haven't done it yet as I don't have my G2 until next week but I have been reading about root for the past week. From what I know, 1.72 is only if you have a Desire Z. If you have any more questions, I'm sure me or another member can answer you.
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Do you know what the 1.72 # refers to? Is it the build number or something else?
Thanks a lot for your help though. I'll start reading
James_Caliber said:
Do you know what the 1.72 # refers to? Is it the build number or something else?
Thanks a lot for your help though. I'll start reading
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If you have a Tmobile G2 (from your first post, I assume you do) you don't need to worry about 1.72 it for the Desire Z. There are three methods to root with, them being Visionary, Rage, gfree. Gfree by far has caused the least amount of problems. If you know ADB rooting should be pretty simple, just follow the wiki on rooting with gfree. If your not familiar with ADB, there are methods to root without having to use it. But its always good and recommended to have it installed and running. There are guide here to help walk you thru it, but if for some reason its to difficult or you don't quite understand it, like I said there are methods to root with out it. There is a modified way to run gfree with your home computer and terminal emulator on your phone. Also the visionary method too, now many people have had problems with visionary, I'm not one of them, it is how I rooted my phone, but I can't stress the importance of reading and putting the time into understanding what you are and want to do to modify your phone, far to many people act before understanding and run into many problems including bricking there phones, I know some of the threads are really long in this forum but that's no excuse, whenever I try something new I read the entire thread first start to finish because any problems you may have, the solution has probably already been givin somewhere in the thread. There is no rush to jump into something you don't understand, my suggestion is to invest the time to read and understand how to root you phone first.
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Even if you root using rage, you can still install and use gfree on your phone. I can confirm that it works.
Just stay away from Visionary.
blackknightavalon said:
Even if you root using rage, you can still install and use gfree on your phone. I can confirm that it works.
Just stay away from Visionary.
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This.
This is my first Android phone and I was able to follow the Wiki and root it pretty easily. The only part I didnt do was installing the Engineering Hboot. Just cause it is labeled as optional and unnecessary and the warning about bricked phones scared me away from it.
This ADB Guide for Noobs was pretty helpful in the process too
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865685
With that link and the Wiki your all set.
boost3d23 said:
This.
This is my first Android phone and I was able to follow the Wiki and root it pretty easily. The only part I didnt do was installing the Engineering Hboot. Just cause it is labeled as optional and unnecessary and the warning about bricked phones scared me away from it.
This ADB Guide for Noobs was pretty helpful in the process too
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865685
With that link and the Wiki your all set.
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You're missing out with the engineering bootloader. You'll have more recovery options with it installed.
blackknightavalon said:
You're missing out with the engineering bootloader. You'll have more recovery options with it installed.
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I might install it later on, if that is possible and wont cause issues.
boost3d23 said:
I might install it later on, if that is possible and wont cause issues.
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Yeah that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to root the phone then when I feel more comfortable, I'm going to flash the engineering HBOOT. It's not that I'm scared, well I sorta am but I would rather not do something that isn't necessary. I'm coming from a rooted G1 so I know what it does and everything, I just don't think its necessary. The way I look at is is this, if you flash the HBOOT then your a lot safer because you can use fastboot flash to save your self from a semi-brick, but at the same time, flashing the HBOOT is also dangerous because you can brick your phone beyond repair.
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Sorry guys, I know this is an old thread, but isn't it better to post on something existing rather than creating a new thread? Hopefully I'm right...
Anyhow, I'm a Sprint convert and I now have the G2. Rooting the Samsung Epic I had was super easy, because I downloaded a one-click script that did everything for me. However, I'm fairly tech-savvy and accomplished just about everything for the rooting procedures using gfree and rage.
However, when I use gfree_verify, I get the message 'verify could not initialize the device!'. I think I run into my problem when I get to this part:
# /data/local/tmp/root
# sync
when I run the first line, I get a message about file existing that it says to expect... but it also says that "the rest of the script should still run ok". Well, after I get the file existing message, it goes back to the prompt. If there was a script that ran after that message, wouldn't I see other messages before it returned to the prompt?
I hope I'm making sense... and I hope I posted this in the right place. I'm dying to get a Sense ROM on my phone, but I need to get some sleep for work tomorrow. Any help that everyone could provide would be EXTREMELY appreciated Thanks so much!!
...EDIT...
Apparently, despite my lack of luck with verification, root is in place in my phone and has stayed after reboot. I've flashed clockwork and have used Superuser access... all seems to be well! Thanks anyway

getting a new g2 on Friday

so i got the promotion to get a free g2 but heres a few questions im thinking that it will come with the latest rom can i root it ive been looking through a ton of guides and im confused what should i do. which method work to gain perma root
cudahy_boy said:
so i got the promotion to get a free g2 but heres a few questions im thinking that it will come with the latest rom can i root it ive been looking through a ton of guides and im confused what should i do. which method work to gain perma root
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It may come with the latest ROM but I more suspect that it will come with the original (shipped) ROM and immediately receive the OTA update. The good news is that there are no issues rooting even if you have the OTA applied (I think some of the rooting guides assume you do) so I would go ahead and apply the OTA if prompted. This is different than the Desire Z where the latest updates can make rooting more complicated.
The most widely recommended method of obtaining permanent root is the "gfree" method, it will permanently root your phone and at the same time will SIM unlock it as well as set the CID so you could load whatever carrier ROM you might want to.
The only issue most people seem to have with using the gfree method is getting ADB up and running and talking to your G2. Using ADB isn't (as far as I know) strictly necessary to make gfree work but it's easiest and all the guides (that I've seen) have you use ADB.
Here is the section of the wiki showing you how to use gfree to root your phone: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wik...cess_.28Permanent_Root_.2F_.22Permaroot.22.29
For instructions for getting ADB up and running I would look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865685
Check out unlockr.com on rooting g2. They use the Visionary method. Took me only couple mins.
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GhostZini said:
Check out unlockr.com on rooting g2. They use the Visionary method. Took me only couple mins.
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Could you please stop telling people to use the VISIONary method!? That method has a risk of putting the user's phone into a boot loop! Please know you what your talking about before attempting to help some one, it can make the difference of bricking a phone and rooting a phone. Rage and GFree DOES NOT have a risk of putting your phone in a boot loop. Out of all the people that have messed up their phone, EVERY ONE of them that I have seen has used the VISIONary method. I'm not trying to be mean, but please be more careful when giving advice. I know your just trying to help, and I respect you for that but please do no tell some one to do the VISIONary method.
Sorry mate, I had no clue bout that. I had no loop but i see your point
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nevermind about my quesiton lol
Thanks for this question, it answered mine so I didn't have to ask. Will be using g-free way shortly.

[Q] What is the up to date perm root?

I've been reading this forum for a month or 2. I find it very helpful, thanks.
I'm looking into perm rooting my device, and all the tutorials are from November when the G2 came out. Is there a simpler way that is safer? I'm sure, after 4 months there are better methods. I just can't find them.
Thanks
There are only three ways: Visionary, Rage and Gfree.
The safest way is follow the XDA wiki, use Rage to temp root and Gfree to permroot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision
Visionary doesn't use ADB but it also has a track record of perm boot looped phones, I rooted this way but would suggest the Wiki and Gfree to root.
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dwells said:
I've been reading this forum for a month or 2. I find it very helpful, thanks.
I'm looking into perm rooting my device, and all the tutorials are from November when the G2 came out. Is there a simpler way that is safer? I'm sure, after 4 months there are better methods. I just can't find them.
Thanks
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This is what most are using for a perm root: Worked great for me.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_G2
joemm and I are both pointing you to the same place, and I can tell you that joemm is correct. I have seen more than one poster on these forums that have attempted to use Visionary to obtain permanent root and have run into a permanent boot loop instead.
Thanks, I'm checking out the wiki

[Q] G2 Visionary Rooting Question

I recently worked up the courage to root my new T-Mobile G2. I got the phone recently, so it came preloaded with the OTA update.
Through searching, I identified Visionary r14 as an easy one-click root solution. I tried out the temp root via Visionary r14 first, then tried out the OC kernel module. Satisfied with this, I perm rooted, also using Visionary r14, without any incident. I followed the manual instructions for flashing HBOOT and getting S-OFF. I confirmed S-OFF in HBOOT, then installed ROM Manager and flashed Clockwork Recovery. After a Nandroid backup, I then flashed the BaconBits 0.3 kernel to lock in the overclock.
After doing all this, I then found an XDA thread and the wiki page on the G2 indicating that the Visionary root method has problems with it and should not be used. Gfree is the new preferred method.
My question is, is there any issues with the method I performed? Would there be any harm in running Gfree now? I would like to perform the Subsidy unlock, as well as S-OFF the radio.
Last question is related to battery life. Are there any other kernels aside from BaconBits that can be used with stock ROM for better battery life? I read somewhere Pershoots kernel does not work with stock ROM.
Sorry for all the questions, new to all this and trying to figure out what my options are.
--MrAnt--
I believe you can still use gfree to get true S-OFF and SIM-unlock, see this guide.
Preloaded with OTA? Which version? To my knowledge, isn't it that after OTA to post 1.34, neither Visionary nor gfree work?
Thanks raitchison. I read that part of the wiki, but it wasn't very clear if there would be any issues using gfree after visionary. I'll give it a try.
octpus, I am not sure what I started with, but it is my understanding that there are two ROMs for the G2, stock and the OTA which adds wifi calling and hotspot tethering. My phone had these features out of the box, and there was no system update available. That made me think I had the OTA version.
Also, when testing out the OC kernel module using temp root, I used the OTA kernel modules with no problems. What is 1.34 referring to? Build number?
I had no problems using Visionary for temp and perm root. Perm root stuck just fine, I have done a few reboots since and everything is solid.
--MrAnt--
If everything was working after doing the permroot with Visionary, then you are fine. It's now just as simple as running the gfree command on your phone (as explained in the Wiki).
I believe where people had problems with Visionary was with simply hitting the "Attempt permroot" button (as opposed to the whole temproot, flash HBOOT thing). It would sometimes leads to bootloops, getting stuck at the HTC screen, inability to even get temproot anymore, etc. If it worked though, it worked fine. That's why most now say to not even take the chance with it (since safer methods exist).
As far as 1.34, that is a version number, only for the Desire Z though. Gfree was found not to work on any Desire Z's above 1.34 (so they have to be downgraded first). The G2 though has only been released with two versions---1.19 and 1.22. Both work fine with gfree as is.
Just wanted to update that I ran gfree (v0.4) without any problems. Confirmed everything worked by running gfree_verify. Post-reboot, everything is working great.
Thanks for help and advice. Glad I didn't brick my phone!
--MrAnt--
I too used visionary and i had no problems with it at all. It is prone to problems though. If not followed 100%
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