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VISIONary+ permaroots MT4G

Thanks to Paul O'Brien @ Modaco, we now have permaroot via his VISIONary+ app, which for some reason was removed from the Market. See his changelog and download site below:
http://android.modaco.com/content/t...350/10-nov-r12-test-visionary-one-click-root/
It's so exciting watching this stuff come alive!

allen099 said:
Thanks to Paul O'Brien @ Modaco, we now have permaroot via his VISIONary+ app, which for some reason was removed from the Market. See his changelog and download site below:
http://android.modaco.com/content/t...350/10-nov-r12-test-visionary-one-click-root/
It's so exciting watching this stuff come alive!
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Reading the thread it doesn't appear that permroot works for MT4G, or is it just inconsistent?

my permaroot works just fine i even battery pulled twice today just to test that it really did stick. no problems so far either

aznpr1de808 said:
my permaroot works just fine i even battery pulled twice today just to test that it really did stick. no problems so far either
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Is that using visionary+ or my guide? BTW, What's up from a flying tiger!

It is unfortunate Google is shutting down non-malicious useful tools like this (they also remove a rooter I had used on my N! - easy root). Unless they are being threatened by legal action from HTC or others - they should stay out of the fray.
I did not delete VISIONary for this reason 9in case i had to do a factory reset and re-root). Now, the new version with perm root will make having to do it again much easier.
I hope the below is not really what it looks like (from the download link):
11/10/2010 2:43:25 PM Detected: Exploit.Linux.Lotoor.g Firefox http://pepsi.romraid.com/files/paul/com.modaco.visionaryplus.r12.apk/assets/ratc
Oh well - shut off my antivirus and downloaded file onto the SD card.
Installed it and tested it. I had gone the s=off route yesterday, so I un-rooted it (apps needing root would then not work), re-rooted it, temp and permanent. It rebootedagain, and apps that need root work OK again (it was not set to root on boot-up). App looks pretty good.

Can some more people comment on if r12 is working for MT4G permroot? And do we still have to do the other steps manually to turn S-off?

I was able to get it to work for me. I was temprooted and then applied permaroot. I haven't done S-Off yet, but I don't see a reason to do that yet anyhow.

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Is that using visionary+ or my guide? BTW, What's up from a flying tiger!
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I can confirm.. I uninstalled VISIONary after a temproot and then the permroot attempt and ran quickboot and I actually got su..
VISIONary r12 permroots the Touch.. Yes..
Now @gankin just needs to mod the latest kernel bits for this.. but otherwise.. just like that it works..

allen099 said:
I was able to get it to work for me. I was temprooted and then applied permaroot. I haven't done S-Off yet, but I don't see a reason to do that yet anyhow.
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Do we need to uninstall the Visionary app from the Market before we install the v12?

I seem to be having problems after I temp root my phone I go and press the permaroot button and nothing happens
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Anyone try permaroot with pre ota (2.2 not 2.2.1). I have no success by any means, need the damn ota...

I tried to permroot but failed...temproot worked just fine.
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Ok I was able to permroot mine you must be quick when you click permroot to press allow superuser permision.
I have a few questions not about the other options in the new visionary r12:
To be able to load custom ROMS etc which options do we need in visionary+ I assume we need the rw option, but what is the other option to run visionary.sh after root?
Also do we need to turn S-off? Just trying to get everything ready waiting on the recovery app.

So in the same way that the manual way wouldn't perm root my phone, neither does visionary r12. It just doesn't stick, period.

RealityDesign said:
So in the same way that the manual way wouldn't perm root my phone, neither does visionary r12. It just doesn't stick, period.
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When I did the manual way, I wasn't permrooted when I booted back up, I had to run visionary (the temporary one) one more time and rebooted and then I was permrooted.

itmustbejj said:
When I did the manual way, I wasn't permrooted when I booted back up, I had to run visionary (the temporary one) one more time and rebooted and then I was permrooted.
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So it's the same app but different options (temp root/perm root) correct?
And the manual method is required to get S-OFF so that we can flash a custom recovery, yes?
Just recapping to make sure I understand.

Phateless said:
So it's the same app but different options (temp root/perm root) correct?
And the manual method is required to get S-OFF so that we can flash a custom recovery, yes?
Just recapping to make sure I understand.
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Thats what I'm gathering..
From what I've read, even if we do achieve perm root with the app, we will still need to manually turn s-off to flash a custom recovery (and have it stick).
So my question is, does the permroot option (within visionary) even do anything for us MT4G guys? If we still need to go the manual ABD route to turn s-off, is the permroot option within Visionary just a short cut in the process to achieve s-off?
Everything seemed clear on what I was planning to do till the permaroot option lol

I tried this earlier and it is not a true root, s is still on after doing everything. If you still have to do other steps whats the point of visionary? Lol.
Has anyone actually gotten a true perm root with visionary with s=off? How did you do it?
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Arcadia310 said:
I tried this earlier and it is not a true root, s is still on after doing everything. If you still have to do other steps whats the point of visionary? Lol.
Has anyone actually gotten a true perm root with visionary with s=off? How did you do it?
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To get s=off you have to use the manual method.
My MyGlacier 4G MINE!!!

grankin01 said:
To get s=off you have to use the manual method.
My MyGlacier 4G MINE!!!
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IMHO, if people have to use tools like Visionary because they don't understand how to do it manually - they shouldn't root their phones. Visionary is a shortcut, not a substitute for knowledge. ADB is a must-have as well. I can't wait to see all cries for help once people start soft-bricking their phones because they cant read directions, don't know how to access ADB or, in general, don't know a singel linux command.
G1 forums were fairly decent until 1-click root was introduced and made it accessible for idiots to mod without having a slightest clue. I have a feeling MT4G forums are heading that way too.
Let the fun begin...

So need help perm rooting

Okay I have a G2, just got it and I need to perm root it. I looked at the sticky guide but most of the links aren't loading for me, don't know why, either thread isn't there or link expired or w/e. I don't know, but I need some help.
First, how do I find out if I have 1.72 or an earlier version
Second, do I use "rage"? method or VISIONary and what's the latest version of visionary?
Third, about how long does the process take?
Any help is appreciated.

James_Caliber said:
Okay I have a G2, just got it and I need to perm root it. I looked at the sticky guide but most of the links aren't loading for me, don't know why, either thread isn't there or link expired or w/e. I don't know, but I need some help.
First, how do I find out if I have 1.72 or an earlier version
Second, do I use "rage"? method or VISIONary and what's the latest version of visionary?
Third, about how long does the process take?
Any help is appreciated.
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Every thing you need to know about rooting is in here http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision just start reading from Rooting the Vision (G2/DZ) and DHD or you can read the whole page. Don't use VISIONary, you have a chance of getting stuck in a boot loop, use Rage and GFree. You'll need the android SDK to get ADB. I'm not sure how long rooting takes, I haven't done it yet as I don't have my G2 until next week but I have been reading about root for the past week. From what I know, 1.72 is only if you have a Desire Z. If you have any more questions, I'm sure me or another member can answer you.

KoolKidsKlub said:
Every thing you need to know about rooting is in here http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision just start reading from Rooting the Vision (G2/DZ) and DHD or you can read the whole page. Don't use VISIONary, you have a chance of getting stuck in a boot loop, use Rage and GFree. You'll need the android SDK to get ADB. I'm not sure how long rooting takes, I haven't done it yet as I don't have my G2 until next week but I have been reading about root for the past week. From what I know, 1.72 is only if you have a Desire Z. If you have any more questions, I'm sure me or another member can answer you.
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Do you know what the 1.72 # refers to? Is it the build number or something else?
Thanks a lot for your help though. I'll start reading

James_Caliber said:
Do you know what the 1.72 # refers to? Is it the build number or something else?
Thanks a lot for your help though. I'll start reading
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If you have a Tmobile G2 (from your first post, I assume you do) you don't need to worry about 1.72 it for the Desire Z. There are three methods to root with, them being Visionary, Rage, gfree. Gfree by far has caused the least amount of problems. If you know ADB rooting should be pretty simple, just follow the wiki on rooting with gfree. If your not familiar with ADB, there are methods to root without having to use it. But its always good and recommended to have it installed and running. There are guide here to help walk you thru it, but if for some reason its to difficult or you don't quite understand it, like I said there are methods to root with out it. There is a modified way to run gfree with your home computer and terminal emulator on your phone. Also the visionary method too, now many people have had problems with visionary, I'm not one of them, it is how I rooted my phone, but I can't stress the importance of reading and putting the time into understanding what you are and want to do to modify your phone, far to many people act before understanding and run into many problems including bricking there phones, I know some of the threads are really long in this forum but that's no excuse, whenever I try something new I read the entire thread first start to finish because any problems you may have, the solution has probably already been givin somewhere in the thread. There is no rush to jump into something you don't understand, my suggestion is to invest the time to read and understand how to root you phone first.
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Even if you root using rage, you can still install and use gfree on your phone. I can confirm that it works.
Just stay away from Visionary.

blackknightavalon said:
Even if you root using rage, you can still install and use gfree on your phone. I can confirm that it works.
Just stay away from Visionary.
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This.
This is my first Android phone and I was able to follow the Wiki and root it pretty easily. The only part I didnt do was installing the Engineering Hboot. Just cause it is labeled as optional and unnecessary and the warning about bricked phones scared me away from it.
This ADB Guide for Noobs was pretty helpful in the process too
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865685
With that link and the Wiki your all set.

boost3d23 said:
This.
This is my first Android phone and I was able to follow the Wiki and root it pretty easily. The only part I didnt do was installing the Engineering Hboot. Just cause it is labeled as optional and unnecessary and the warning about bricked phones scared me away from it.
This ADB Guide for Noobs was pretty helpful in the process too
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865685
With that link and the Wiki your all set.
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You're missing out with the engineering bootloader. You'll have more recovery options with it installed.

blackknightavalon said:
You're missing out with the engineering bootloader. You'll have more recovery options with it installed.
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I might install it later on, if that is possible and wont cause issues.

boost3d23 said:
I might install it later on, if that is possible and wont cause issues.
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Yeah that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to root the phone then when I feel more comfortable, I'm going to flash the engineering HBOOT. It's not that I'm scared, well I sorta am but I would rather not do something that isn't necessary. I'm coming from a rooted G1 so I know what it does and everything, I just don't think its necessary. The way I look at is is this, if you flash the HBOOT then your a lot safer because you can use fastboot flash to save your self from a semi-brick, but at the same time, flashing the HBOOT is also dangerous because you can brick your phone beyond repair.

*bump*
Sorry guys, I know this is an old thread, but isn't it better to post on something existing rather than creating a new thread? Hopefully I'm right...
Anyhow, I'm a Sprint convert and I now have the G2. Rooting the Samsung Epic I had was super easy, because I downloaded a one-click script that did everything for me. However, I'm fairly tech-savvy and accomplished just about everything for the rooting procedures using gfree and rage.
However, when I use gfree_verify, I get the message 'verify could not initialize the device!'. I think I run into my problem when I get to this part:
# /data/local/tmp/root
# sync
when I run the first line, I get a message about file existing that it says to expect... but it also says that "the rest of the script should still run ok". Well, after I get the file existing message, it goes back to the prompt. If there was a script that ran after that message, wouldn't I see other messages before it returned to the prompt?
I hope I'm making sense... and I hope I posted this in the right place. I'm dying to get a Sense ROM on my phone, but I need to get some sleep for work tomorrow. Any help that everyone could provide would be EXTREMELY appreciated Thanks so much!!
...EDIT...
Apparently, despite my lack of luck with verification, root is in place in my phone and has stayed after reboot. I've flashed clockwork and have used Superuser access... all seems to be well! Thanks anyway

getting a new g2 on Friday

so i got the promotion to get a free g2 but heres a few questions im thinking that it will come with the latest rom can i root it ive been looking through a ton of guides and im confused what should i do. which method work to gain perma root

cudahy_boy said:
so i got the promotion to get a free g2 but heres a few questions im thinking that it will come with the latest rom can i root it ive been looking through a ton of guides and im confused what should i do. which method work to gain perma root
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It may come with the latest ROM but I more suspect that it will come with the original (shipped) ROM and immediately receive the OTA update. The good news is that there are no issues rooting even if you have the OTA applied (I think some of the rooting guides assume you do) so I would go ahead and apply the OTA if prompted. This is different than the Desire Z where the latest updates can make rooting more complicated.
The most widely recommended method of obtaining permanent root is the "gfree" method, it will permanently root your phone and at the same time will SIM unlock it as well as set the CID so you could load whatever carrier ROM you might want to.
The only issue most people seem to have with using the gfree method is getting ADB up and running and talking to your G2. Using ADB isn't (as far as I know) strictly necessary to make gfree work but it's easiest and all the guides (that I've seen) have you use ADB.
Here is the section of the wiki showing you how to use gfree to root your phone: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wik...cess_.28Permanent_Root_.2F_.22Permaroot.22.29
For instructions for getting ADB up and running I would look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865685

Check out unlockr.com on rooting g2. They use the Visionary method. Took me only couple mins.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

GhostZini said:
Check out unlockr.com on rooting g2. They use the Visionary method. Took me only couple mins.
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Could you please stop telling people to use the VISIONary method!? That method has a risk of putting the user's phone into a boot loop! Please know you what your talking about before attempting to help some one, it can make the difference of bricking a phone and rooting a phone. Rage and GFree DOES NOT have a risk of putting your phone in a boot loop. Out of all the people that have messed up their phone, EVERY ONE of them that I have seen has used the VISIONary method. I'm not trying to be mean, but please be more careful when giving advice. I know your just trying to help, and I respect you for that but please do no tell some one to do the VISIONary method.

Sorry mate, I had no clue bout that. I had no loop but i see your point
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nevermind about my quesiton lol

Thanks for this question, it answered mine so I didn't have to ask. Will be using g-free way shortly.

[Q] NEW G2, trying to root after a brick.

Alright,
After I bricked my first HTC G2, I have decided to get another one. I was the lucky one which HTC replaced without any questions. My first phone got bricked because it had errors in the recovery. (this is what happened). OK NOW, I am getting ready to root my second G2 cause I am tired of the stock (really want the MIUI!)
I have a coupe of questions:
1. What are the necessary steps that I need to take so that my SECOND G2 wont go down like my first one?
2. What is Eng boot?
I am going to root it using the same guide I used last time (this one!)
Let me know, I am not going to attempt anything till I hear from you experts!
- Thank you so much!

First of all, visionary is a risky way to root your phone. The safest, though more intimidating way is using gfree and adb, as found on the cyanogenmod wiki (if someone would be kind enough to link him).
1. Read the steps. Read them again. And again. Be able to recite them in your sleep.
2. The engineering hboot (I believe) will allow you to possibly save your g2 if something goes wrong when flashing a rom. Though again there is a guarantee of bricking if this is done wrong. If you plan on just flashing miui and staying, this MAY not be necessary. But it is entirely up to you.
Sent from my T-mobile G2

Nospin said:
First of all, visionary is a risky way to root your phone. The safest, though more intimidating way is using gfree and adb, as found on the cyanogenmod wiki (if someone would be kind enough to link him).
Sent from my T-mobile G2
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Do you think my recovery crashed because I used visionary? I have read that it is unsafe, but it was just so easy to do with that method.

Flyingpilot said:
Do you think my recovery crashed because I used visionary? I have read that it is unsafe, but it was just so easy to do with that method.
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Im pretty sure that it wasn't visionary. If I'm not mistaken visionary works perfectly fine for temproot, permrooting with it is when it is risky. I also rooted with the method above and nothing has happened to my G2
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First time rooting, issues.

Just got an incredible tonight, seem to be getting hung up in the root process. I'm following instructions here to root 2.3.4 and when I run unrevoked 2.33 it "fails to flash recovery image." I've installed the modified drivers and usb debugging etc is enabled. Is there a better root method, or way to downgrade without rooting? This is my first time on HTC so bear with me.
edit: About half way through the htcdev method, seems to be good. Stumbled on it right after I posted this of course..

Hey I've run into the same exact issue. Did the HTCdev method work, and if so any direction you can point me? First time ever rooting a phone and I've seemed to pick a difficult one. Got this incredibly for free so wanted to root it and make it my mp3 player to free up SD space on my Galaxy Nexus.

theatregeoff said:
Hey I've run into the same exact issue. Did the HTCdev method work, and if so any direction you can point me? First time ever rooting a phone and I've seemed to pick a difficult one. Got this incredibly for free so wanted to root it and make it my mp3 player to free up SD space on my Galaxy Nexus.
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just use this guide by scotty http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1600904
it should work for you, good luck

wareju said:
Just got an incredible tonight, seem to be getting hung up in the root process. I'm following instructions here to root 2.3.4 and when I run unrevoked 2.33 it "fails to flash recovery image." I've installed the modified drivers and usb debugging etc is enabled. Is there a better root method, or way to downgrade without rooting? This is my first time on HTC so bear with me.
edit: About half way through the htcdev method, seems to be good. Stumbled on it right after I posted this of course..
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You should be using unrevoked 3.22, not 2.33.

Yeah I had the same issue with that... when your running 2.3.4 it is mainly the version of unrEVOked you use (if you follow the directions)found that out after the 5th version of the program. Also do not use z4root it never works. But yeah definitely make sure you have the right version compatible with your build of gingerbread/froyo
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