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UnrEVOked "root"

First thing first. Let me explain that I'm pretty much an Android novice. I have had the Moment for a few months and never modded it and just recently got the EVO and as of yet have not modded it.
I don't think I have the balls to attempt the "FULL ROOT" but I think I'm willing to try this UnrEVOked method. It seems super simple to install and uninstall. My question to you guys is this: Using this UnrEVOked root what exactly am I getting that I'm not getting from a fresh out of the box stock EVO 4G?
From my limited understanding the only things you can really do is overclock the phone (is this even safe? If so what is the best program and what are the ideal settings?) and also enable tethering (once again, what program would you use?)
Anyone that has UnrEVOked installed on their EVO please give me some insight about this and whether or not you recommend others to try it.
Many thanks in advance!

From what Ive gathered trough complains and other post. It's a temp root. removing apps return after a reboot, no writing to system etc. Pretty useless *from what it seems* SO just take the plunge and do the toast method as it is also needed to run the latest Roms if you intend to do such. Hope that was semi-helpful.

It allows me to run wireless tether and full titanium backup, which is all i wanted to do anyway.

I feel the same way.. unrevoked gave me wifi tether, system panel and Titanium. I may take the plunge when there's a full blown 2.2 rom. Until then, this is all I need.
That overclock app is really an underclock to save battery when in standby. Not sure it even works.
My battery is hanging just fine now that I've made the few tweaks and don't stay on it all day.

SantinoInc said:
First thing first. Let me explain that I'm pretty much an Android novice. I have had the Moment for a few months and never modded it and just recently got the EVO and as of yet have not modded it.
I don't think I have the balls to attempt the "FULL ROOT" but I think I'm willing to try this UnrEVOked method. It seems super simple to install and uninstall. My question to you guys is this: Using this UnrEVOked root what exactly am I getting that I'm not getting from a fresh out of the box stock EVO 4G?
From my limited understanding the only things you can really do is overclock the phone (is this even safe? If so what is the best program and what are the ideal settings?) and also enable tethering (once again, what program would you use?)
Anyone that has UnrEVOked installed on their EVO please give me some insight about this and whether or not you recommend others to try it.
Many thanks in advance!
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UnrEVOked is very simple which was it's purpose.
However it's not REAL root access. Real root gives you ability to flash custom roms that have MANY more features and tweaks that Sprint/HTC can't afford to invest the time/man hours/money in.
With Custom ROMS you get better battery life, more freedom and options to customize what Sprint/HTC shove down our throats.
IF you search the market for the word ROOT. You'll see what you're missing. Most of those apps won't work properly if you don't have real root access.
What is "real root?" having NAND access to flash a custom recovery image and being able to do away with ADB access from your computer and the ability to write to the /system folder.
Imagine being able to delete all that Sprint crap that is taking up space that no one uses. Not even you.
Your choice. It's all worth it. 79,000+ views for Damages ROM can't be wrong.

swebby00 said:
I feel the same way.. unrevoked gave me wifi tether, system panel and Titanium. I may take the plunge when there's a full blown 2.2 rom. Until then, this is all I need.
That overclock app is really an underclock to save battery when in standby. Not sure it even works.
My battery is hanging just fine now that I've made the few tweaks and don't stay on it all day.
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Where can I get wifi tether once I d/l Unrevoked? Also, what is system panel and Titanium?

http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/downloads/list
I installed 2.0.2 version.
Titanium is a system backup tool.
And system panel is a neat little app that let's you look at your performance. I downloaded it when I did the overclock tool - which is still installed.. but it's debatable on if it's really do anything. So not sure if I can recommend it. But you can try it if you're having battery issues still. I did too many things at once and can't tell what really helped.

Thanks for the help swebby. I'm going to try those programs u recommended.
Do you know if its true that you can get paid apps for free once you install unrEVOked?
Some kid posted a video on utube stating u can d/l free paid apps on 4shared.com. Any truth to this to ur knowledge

I don't know about that site.. and like I said. I'm new to this too. But I think in theory, you can install any .apk file you want, if someone shares it with you. I've pulled several apps like that so far.
But there could be a licensing issue I just don't know about yet. Like some app might require a license file tied to hdw or something. I really don't know.
But, if you can get an apk file, you should be able to in theory install it from your sd card.
In truth tho, most of these apps are only one or two dollars.. and the developers deserve some compensation for their work. So it's one thing to install one to try out.. but if you like it, you should pay for it, donate, etc.

[Q] UK, rooted unbranded DHD on 2.2 - will gingerbread change this?

Hi everyone,
I have an unbranded DHD in the UK, and I'm running 2.2. Just did a check for updates and nothing. Any idea when gingerbread will be arriving? And will I lose root and/or radio s-off? I love my root apps a lot Also not really a fan of custom roms atm as I don't have enough time to play with it if it doesn't work as expected straight away.
Also, what will I lose and keep in the update? Contacts? accounts? apps? App data?
Thanks

Tamen said:
Hi everyone,
I have an unbranded DHD in the UK, and I'm running 2.2. Just did a check for updates and nothing. Any idea when gingerbread will be arriving?
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Already have 3 too many threads about that and don't wish to start another.
Tamen said:
And will I lose root and/or radio s-off? I love my root apps a lot Also not really a fan of custom roms atm as I don't have enough time to play with it if it doesn't work as expected straight away.
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You'll lose root. If you phone is still in a state that it can receive updates.
if you've rooted why not just flash a GB ROM? There are customised ones and even one that is just rooted.
Tamen said:
Also, what will I lose and keep in the update? Contacts? accounts? apps? App data?
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Seems people are saying that nothing was lost but back it all up anyway (yes, lots of apps to back up info, all already mentioned).

Thanks for the swift reply - how do I know if my phone can receive updates? I've rooted with visionary and put radio s-off if that helps
The main reason I don't want to flash custom roms is that it starts become a lot more risky - things do go wrong and you see people bricking their phones. If I bricked my phone I wouldn't have a clue how to fix it and I can't afford the £75 excess on insurance to replace it if it couldn't be fixed, as HTC wouldn't replace it if I broke it trying to do root things to it. I've also read that the latest CWM is having problems?

Tamen said:
Thanks for the swift reply - how do I know if my phone can receive updates? I've rooted with visionary and put radio s-off if that helps
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You should be ok. The actual state you can put a phone to and still receive the update is something I haven't been able to pinpoint yet. Certainly need a stock ROM.
Previous phones needed the stock recovery but I don't think that's the case here.
Tamen said:
The main reason I don't want to flash custom roms is that it starts become a lot more risky - things do go wrong and you see people bricking their phones. If I bricked my phone I wouldn't have a clue how to fix it and I can't afford the £75 excess on insurance to replace it if it couldn't be fixed, as HTC wouldn't replace it if I broke it trying to do root things to it. I've also read that the latest CWM is having problems?
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The time when you are most at risk of bricking your phone is rooting and flashing a radio.
Flashing a ROM is 99% risk free. You've done the risky bit.

Cheers - though I haven't flashed a radio I don't think (unless radio s-off is flashing a radio). It says in the how to install a rom guide (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=964996)
- Select "Install Zip from sdcard"
- Select "Choose zip from sdcard"
- Select full-wipe-1-3.zip (It's right under those folders)
- Confirm by selecting the Yes option in between those "NO"s
- Wait for it to finish
- DO NOT REBOOT!!! In case you were not aware, you now have no rom installed
If I somehow messed up or knocked the power button and rebooted, what happens? How do I then fix it? Is that a permanent brick?

Not a fan of that wipe.zip. You could do the less risky method first and use wipe from the recovery menu.
If you rebooted you MAY (unlikely) have a brick but more likely you'll just end up back at bootloader.
If something happens while the phone is installing the ROM then you might have a problem.
If the phone is bricked assume you will have to send it to HTC for repair (along with your best innocent "it was like that in the morning, honest" look.
You'll be fine. I'm sure. But know the risks.
Bottom line, don't knock it. It's quite hard to accidentally press the power button.

Haha claim innocence If they do look and say it's your fault, out of warrenty, how much do they charge? They don't have to replace anything, just presumably connect it to a htc computer and run some resets.
Does the phone stay connected throughout this process? What happens if it's not connected when run or becomes disconnected?
Sorry for all the questions, but I just really want to understand everything that happens. If able I'd much rather update to gingerbread then root with an updated visionary or equivalent, though how long that'll take to happen is anyone's guess :/

Unless the instructions say not to I'd leave it connected.
If the instructions say to remove something that means disconnecting the phone (such as swapping SD cards for example) and doesn't say re-insert the phone then don't (this is why you should always be 100% charged before you try these things).
If it is bricked, they will use there tool to get into the eMMC partition and re-install everything. It's unliekly (not happened yet) they will magically restore the phone and go "hold on, you did this".
Don't worry. Ask away (feel free to hit the thanks button IF I say anything useful).
Just to back track, it looks like your wanting to flash a ROM now. Is this a stock ROm or one of the beautiful customised ROM's like LeeDroid?

In a sec I'll thank every post on this thread, you've been really helpful (and patient!)
I heard about gingerbread updating and wondered if root would be lost with the update or if the update would even work at all. You suggested I get a gingerbread rom already rooted, and I said "aarrgh, I'm scared" The rest of the posts are you explaining things to me, though if possible I'd like to stick with official roms for the moment and then root it - will visionary work on 2.3?

No. You will need to use Gingerbreak which will involve downgrading the ROM first.
But to answer the question between the lines, if you update and lose root, all is not lost, it can be reclaimed.

[noob]But the Rom comes from OTA, so how can it be downgraded?[/noob]
But thanks, if root can be re-attained after the update, I'll wait till after the update before doing anything too fast

What you will have to do is take an old RUU, say version 1.32 and install that.
That then allows you to gain access to the required areas of the phone to give you root and anything else you wish (Engineering HBOOT (ENG S-OFF), Radio S-OFF etc.).
When you get to that stage and decide to root etc. you will kick yourself so hard for not doing it earlier

Oh so gingerbread will remove root but not Eng or radio s-off? I'm at 1.32 at the moment so I should get engineering s off while I still can cause getting root in the future will be easier?

Tamen said:
Oh so gingerbread will remove root but not Eng or radio s-off? I'm at 1.32 at the moment so I should get engineering s off while I still can cause getting root in the future will be easier?
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It (The OTA GB ROM) will remove root if you already have it yes. I believe Radio S-OFF is safe. AS for ENG S-OFF (HBOOT) I'm afraid my memory is failing me but with root and Radio S-OFF it would be easy enough to redo ENG S-OFF.
Rooting etc. will only get harder with each update. Version 1.32 is the easiest of all to root and in fact most root / Radio S-OFF etc. threads start by saying "downgrade to 1.32"
[EDIT] Just re-read your post...
Yes, if you make plans now before the OTA update (still not convinced you will get it though) it will be easier in the future but the main one to worry about is Radio S-OFF. This is the easier of the two and IIRC the only one required should you get the OTA update and gain root (via GingerBreak) without having to downgrade first.

I had root + radio s-off, just got ENG s-off too in-case it can't be done after the update. Hopefully this means after gingerbread re-rooting will be easy-ish

Tamen said:
I had root + radio s-off, just got ENG s-off too in-case it can't be done after the update. Hopefully this means after gingerbread re-rooting will be easy-ish
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Puts a huge grin on my face when someone just goes and does this....
But I really really really feel you can't stop now.
Ignoring that I don't think you will get the OTA update you have to now install a GB ROM. After what you have done, flashing a ROM is (relatively speaking) as safe as houses.
Go on!! Android Revolution HD (ARHD) is basically pure stock GB visually with a few goodies thrown in.
Top the day off and flash that ROM.
Do it!!!

Getting ENG s-off was just as simple as getting radio s-off (which I did about a week ago) - I've just heard it's less 'reversable' for if ever you need to go back to stock so had avoided it
The thing with me is that I my brain doesn't really consider things risky or safe based on other people being safe or risky, it's how many places there are to go wrong. One click apps like visionary are relatively safe I just feel a bit daunted by all the steps to flashing a rom. I'll give OTA a chance, but if everyone else on UK unbranded goes "woohoo" and I just sit there like a lemon, I'll maybe start thinking about it
I've got exams coming up (I'm only 15) but if after this week there's no update I'll dedicate a couple of hours to putting a gingersense rom on my phone
What's your preference? And why are there so many no-sense roms? Sense is amazing and is what in my opinion really sets HTC apart - lovely phones with a boosted UI. Why would you ever want to get rid of it?!
EDIT: When flashing a ROM, do you need to factory wipe? Does mybackup root work across roms? I'd like some way of restoring all my contacts, accounts and apps
EDIT2: Something I forgot about earlier; I can't open the compartment to take out my battery, so when there's a solution that says "take out battery, try again", it wouldn't work as I physically cannot take the compartment off to get to the battery. When my phone arrived and I needed to take it off to remove the wrapper on the battery, but I couldn't do it and neither could anyone in my family. So feeling stupid I took it to the orange shop but no luck, so t-mobile, phones4u, O2, carphonewarehouse... loads, none could do it.
One guy told me to take it to a different orange shop and "ask for dean" - so I took it to him and he took it out the back of the shop and somehow did it. He said it just needed force (but clearly an amount nobody before or after him has been able to replicate), and that it was nothing like any other DHD he'd seen as they are usually stiff but do open, this was basically glued. So I better not get into a boot loop that holding down the power button won't fix, as if it's hard to play innocent when it's visibly stuck in a boot loop from custom roms

Tamen said:
Getting ENG s-off was just as simple as getting radio s-off (which I did about a week ago) - I've just heard it's less 'reversable' for if ever you need to go back to stock so had avoided it
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Nope, just as reversible.
Tamen said:
The thing with me is that I my brain doesn't really consider things risky or safe based on other people being safe or risky, it's how many places there are to go wrong. One click apps like visionary are relatively safe I just feel a bit daunted by all the steps to flashing a rom.
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Put ROM on sdcard.
Boot to recovery.
wipe data and cache
install ROM
reboot
Get a brew and marvel and the wonderfulness of it all.
With ROM Manager it can be simpler still.
Tamen said:
I'll give OTA a chance, but if everyone else on UK unbranded goes "woohoo" and I just sit there like a lemon, I'll maybe start thinking about it
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When you start thinking about it install ROM Manager just to get ready.
Tamen said:
I've got exams coming up (I'm only 15) but if after this week there's no update I'll dedicate a couple of hours to putting a gingersense rom on my phone
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Schedule those hours in now. You WILL be flashing ROMs
Tamen said:
What's your preference? And why are there so many no-sense roms? Sense is amazing and is what in my opinion really sets HTC apart - lovely phones with a boosted UI. Why would you ever want to get rid of it?!
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Hee hee. I like Cyanogen (a non-sense ROM) - Will come back to that.
My favourite sense ROMs are LeeDroid by a long way, the guy is a star and the ROM is perfection; after that, Android Revolution HD which will probably be your choice as it's closer to stock than Lee's. Based on what you've said I go with ARHD but if you really want to play, have fun (overclocking etc.) and want your phone to make R2D2 noises when it boots then LeeDroid every time.
And you're right, the Sense UI (which only gets better) does set HTC apart but even without it, I'd only buy a HTC phone now (when I'm buying an Android phone).
Why not [email protected]
Two part answer. The first part is I'm a huge open source and Linux fan. Use Ubuntu on PC and Kubuntu on laptop and my first Android phone was THE first Android phone, the Google (T-Mobile) G1. As such I love Android so I want my phone to be just about Android with a few little extras and NO ONE does that better than Cyanogen. NO ONE.
I still have my G1 and I still love it. That's a vanilla Android phone.
Second part is about bloat. Yes, I do really really like Sense UI. As far as manufacturers bloat-ware goes NOTHING beats Sense UI. It's visually stunning and things like htcsense.com, the clock / weather widget that actually shows weather and that cool windscreen wiper thing and the whole seamless integration twix phone and social is beyond words.
But at the end of the day what is it? It's pretty. I don't use facebook. For twitter I prefer Twidroyd and Tweetdeck. I don't need a massive clock on my screen. I don't want apps and widget I'm not going to use. Before I could root my Hero and DHD I installed ADW.Launcher.
I'll tell you what it's about: Choice. I don't want three buttons along the bottom I want five. And because I have a Google Apps account, HTC Picasa add-on doesn't work (they looking into it) and that pisses me off.
I'm prattling on now.
I have LeeDroid and ARHD on my sdcard as NAND backups and every now and then I restore one (I think of it as almost "dual boot") and for the next 24 hours I'm back coo-ing over it all but then 24 hours later it just doesn't feel right so back to CM I go.
It's personal choice but I will say one thing (more), try CM7. If you don't like it fine but just try it. You'll miss the widgets at first but see how you feel about it.
I'll shut up now.

That's great info, cheers I understand why now, but I do like my massive flip-over clock, regardless of how much battery it eats Also, htcsense.com has been a life saver once or twice when I've put it at home under a pile of papers or something and can't find it
ARHD said there were problems with Rom Manager and wiping within it - is that still a problem? Why do some roms need a different radio flashed? What actually is a different radio and why do you get problems with different roms and radios?
How long does it take between putting the rom on the sd card and actually having the rom installed with ROM Manager?
Also, I edited the above post but was doing so after you'd posted this, so I'll put it here too:
EDIT2: Something I forgot about earlier; I can't open the compartment to take out my battery, so when there's a solution that says "take out battery, try again", it wouldn't work as I physically cannot take the compartment off to get to the battery. When my phone arrived and I needed to take it off to remove the wrapper on the battery, but I couldn't do it and neither could anyone in my family. So feeling stupid I took it to the orange shop but no luck, so t-mobile, phones4u, O2, carphonewarehouse... loads, none could do it.
One guy told me to take it to a different orange shop and "ask for dean" - so I took it to him and he took it out the back of the shop and somehow did it. He said it just needed force (but clearly an amount nobody before or after him has been able to replicate), and that it was nothing like any other DHD he'd seen as they are usually stiff but do open, this was basically glued. So I better not get into a boot loop that holding down the power button won't fix, as if it's hard to play innocent when it's visibly stuck in a boot loop from custom roms

Tamen said:
That's great info, cheers I understand why now, but I do like my massive flip-over clock, regardless of how much battery it eats Also, htcsense.com has been a life saver once or twice when I've put it at home under a pile of papers or something and can't find it
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I made great use of that too, so simple, plress a button on the website and instant ring. An app called Where's my droid can do that but you need another phone to be able to send it a text.
Tamen said:
ARHD said there were problems with Rom Manager and wiping within it - is that still a problem?
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There used to be but I've never had a problem. But I like doing everything from recovery and that's works fine (from 3.0.2.6).
Tamen said:
Why do some roms need a different radio flashed? What actually is a different radio and why do you get problems with different roms and radios?
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It's that some ROM's have been tested using certain Radios and some devs are only willing to recommend Radios that have been tested.
A radio is the software that is responsible for wifi, network signal including data, bluetooth and GPS. It's just another something that is constantly being improved. Most radios will work with most roms but one radio might work great for person a and be rubbish for person b. This is because some networks and phone hardware (they do differ) don't respond as well as others to a certain radio. The radio is something you will will push (via fastboot commands) a lot (which is why you have Radio S-OFF) as you need to experiment.
Tamen said:
How long does it take between putting the rom on the sd card and actually having the rom installed with ROM Manager?
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Depends on ROM but on average about 5 minutes. It's not really any quicker than using recovery directly (ROM Manager is just a GUI for recovery) once you have done it a few times, it's just simpler.
Tamen said:
EDIT: When flashing a ROM, do you need to factory wipe?
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ALWAYS. And every time.
The only exception is if you're upgrading the same ROM but even then, depending on the upgrade you may still have to wipe. Most issues after flashing a ROM are due to not wiping at least the cache.
Tamen said:
Does mybackup root work across roms? I'd like some way of restoring all my contacts, accounts and apps
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Yes. Contacts are sync'd to Gmail so no worries there. Mybackup will backup SMS and MMS too.
Apps are a different matter. There is an option to Backup apps and app data to google servers which works 95% of the time. Titanium can do this too but in my experience is even more flakey. I still keep a list of all my apps just in case.
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EDIT2: Something I forgot about earlier; I can't open the compartment to take out my battery, so when there's a solution that says "take out battery, try again", it wouldn't work as I physically cannot take the compartment off to get to the battery. When my phone arrived and I needed to take it off to remove the wrapper on the battery, but I couldn't do it and neither could anyone in my family [snip]
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That battry door is ****, no two ways about it. It does require a lot of force and you have to be brave with it. But as you say, hopefully you won't need to worry about it.

[Q] Wildfire Temp Root

Hi,
I have a stock Wildfire which I'm perfectly happy with. However, over time I purchased a few apps from the market and would like to take a backup.
What can I do? My ideal would be a simple application with which to switch on/off root permissions before starting the backup process - read-only access to the system and data partition would be perfectly sufficient.
Is this possible? I read about Temp Root in the forums, but couldn't find a clear statement which way (if any) would work on the Wildfire. Also, is read-only root with access to all partitions even possible without flashing or do I need a custom ROM for this?
As I understand, another way would be to flash a new recovery image and use Nandroid backup. However, I'd rather avoid flashing anything.
I'd be glad if someone could give me a few pointers.

Get Visionary+. This app can do a temp root easily.
It's meant for Desire Z, but it still works. If you want permroot then use AlphaRevX instead, the method this app uses does not apply to Wildfire.
For backing up I would recommend Titanium Backup.
Why would you want to temproot anyway? You can use AlphaRevX to get S-OFF and flash custom ROMs.
If you want to do warranty return, just use a RUU tool. It clears everything back to factory state.

Just wondering why you want to backup the paid apps? Can't you just reinstall them when needed as your license is on your Google account right?
Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk

YES, no need to backup the paid apps purchased from market.
Even after hard reset, if u use the same google market account to install those apps, ur licence should be back. Licence should be stored in your account AFAIK....

xc1024 said:
If you want to do warranty return, just use a RUU tool. It clears everything back to factory state.
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A ruu doesn't reset the s-off state! The only way you can flash a new hboot is when it has a version higher the the 6.x hboot that alpharevx puts on your phone. It just like htc's hboot: you cannot downgrade it.
If you want s-on again, you need a tool from AlphaRev that does it for you. But I don't know if that is released yet.

bharatgaddameedi said:
YES, no need to backup the paid apps purchased from market.
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It is? Super, somehow it never occured to me that the purchase could be tied to the account instead of to the phone. Thanks for the hint!
That solves my immediate problem, I guess I can forgo a backup then.
What would happen if I entered the same googlemail-account into a new phone: Would the old one be deactivated then? One might want to use the same mail account on two or more phones. Would he then also get access to all of the applications on all phones, or would it simply not work at all?
Even after hard reset, if u use the same google market account to install those apps, ur licence should be back. Licence should be stored in your account AFAIK....
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I never entered a "google market account" ID, I guess my googlemail-account (which I created on setting up the phone for the first time) was used for that automatically. Or has such an account been automatically created for me without any further prompting?
Regards,
150d

xc1024 said:
Get Visionary+. This app can do a temp root easily.
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Thanks, I'll remember that.
Why would you want to temproot anyway? You can use AlphaRevX to get S-OFF and flash custom ROMs.
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That's just it: the phone is working great, I'm really not missing anything. I wouldn't even know what to use root for. ;-)
On the other hand, I have a little experience with cooked ROMs from my previous phone, a WM-based Kaiser. Granted the two might not be directly comparable, but back then I had a lot of issues with stability, working-but-not-perfect bootloader, GPS sensitivity, radio ROMs...
I'd rather not take any chances now, at least not until I have a good reason to do so.
Regards,
150d

150d said:
On the other hand, I have a little experience with cooked ROMs from my previous phone, a WM-based Kaiser. Granted the two might not be directly comparable, but back then I had a lot of issues with stability, working-but-not-perfect bootloader, GPS sensitivity, radio ROMs...
I'd rather not take any chances now, at least not until I have a good reason to do so.
Regards,
150d
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And it always should be this way this wilfire forum is getting stalked by people who want root and new ROMs, but i'll bet that most of them will be satisfied with the stock one.
The only reason why you should root is to install usefull apps that requier root (like titanium backup) and to install new ROMs. Those roms provide updates that htc disable for us: gingerbread should be more powerfull and JIT, something that can make your phone two to three times faster, is disabled because sense can't handle it. But you are right: custom roms will never be bugg free. But on the other hand, the stock rom isn't bugg free as well
Altough I'm on the stock rom ATM, I will change if I have the time. "Basic" things like gps and stuff will work on most roms (unless reported otherwise), so you do not have to be afraid of that. The most problematic things can always be solved, but most of the time it requiers a lot of time untill you have figured out what exactly you should do to solve your problem. So do not try to change rom if you do not have the time for it.
To finalize this off topic statement: it is usefull to gain root: you can do much more with it than just "flash roms". But it absorbs a lot of time, and you shouldn't start with it if you do not have any. But when you commit yourself to it, you will gain a lot.
Erwin

150d said:
What would happen if I entered the same googlemail-account into a new phone: Would the old one be deactivated then? One might want to use the same mail account on two or more phones. Would he then also get access to all of the applications on all phones, or would it simply not work at all?
I never entered a "google market account" ID, I guess my googlemail-account (which I created on setting up the phone for the first time) was used for that automatically. Or has such an account been automatically created for me without any further prompting?
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150d
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Don't know about that thing. They shouldn't be discussed too anyway. But I strongly think that google knows the device identity of the market attached account.
Yes, google account / gmail account / maket account all are the same.
edit : And better not to speak about cooked roms untill u check them. There are many people pretty much satisfied with those.

ErwinP said:
And it always should be this way this wilfire forum is getting stalked by people who want root and new ROMs, but i'll bet that most of them will be satisfied with the stock one.
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I saw a TV spot when the first iPad was released. They interviewed a guy waiting in line in front of an Apple store for why he wanted an iPad. He said: "I don't even know what it is, but I'm sure I need it!"
One can only wish for customers like that!
Those roms provide updates that htc disable for us: gingerbread should be more powerfull and JIT, something that can make your phone two to three times faster, is disabled because sense can't handle it.
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I didn't know that. Yes, sometimes I do wish it would be quicker to handle, I have a feeling that sometimes the CPU is maxed out so it can't handle the touch screen any more. But to me it's only a minor hassle.
To finalize this off topic statement: it is usefull to gain root: you can do much more with it than just "flash roms". But it absorbs a lot of time...
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I believe it, both of it. I've owned the phone for about half a year now and I'm still adjusting to how much more it can do for me than my old phone could. It goes beyond just having an application to do some job - it all is much more "usable" than before. But I can really, really not imagine what else I would like to do with the phone. Maybe there is something that I can't even think of now, but so far... ;-)
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150d

[Q] "Android System" using tons of battery?

I just got a G2 as a replacement for my MT4g (not by my choice, by the choice of tmobile customer service, i guess after replacing 3 phones in a 90 period they are forced to replace with a different phone. MT4G had burnt out pixels, the second one also had burnt out pixels and the third one they sent me wouldn't even boot up as it was stuck in a permanent boot loop, hence I have arrived at the G2)
ANYWAYS the battery seems to drain like an absolute champ. My MT4G battery life wasn't that great but this G2 is awful. My question is: why would "Android System" be using the most battery on my battery usage report? It is using anywhere between 40% and 70% of my battery usage, even more than the display and that is during times when I'm mostly watching youtube or intentionally leaving the screen on.
For instance: After 2 hours off the charger the battery is at 74%, the top thing in the battery report is "android system" and that is 43% and the "CPU total" for android system is only 3m 4s. I just don't know what could be causing all the battery usage...
Also, with wi-fi calling enabled how come the "cell standby" is still draining battery? On my MT4G the cell standby would only show up if I was not using wifi calling (which happens to be most of the time).

I noticed this problem too. It sucks. The thing I did was root my phone and flash a custom ROM, which in this case is a stock gingerbread build with some "icing". Not sure if it's a 2.2 thing, but Android System just seems to sap the battery. On 2.3, the biggest draw now seems to be the display by far, but overall battery life is way better than the official stock 2.2 that shipped on the G2. So yeah... root that sucker!

killswitch11 said:
I noticed this problem too. It sucks. The thing I did was root my phone and flash a custom ROM, which in this case is a stock gingerbread build with some "icing". Not sure if it's a 2.2 thing, but Android System just seems to sap the battery. On 2.3, the biggest draw now seems to be the display by far, but overall battery life is way better than the official stock 2.2 that shipped on the G2. So yeah... root that sucker!
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I am thinking I will probably have to do this. I see you use the Virtuous G-lite ROM which is the one I was considering using. My other question is what (and where) do I get the "radio" files from? I assume that they are just like drivers/firmware for the radios inside the phone but do I have to get them separately from the ROM? and if so, from where and how do I install them?
Also, what is the method for rooting that will be least likely to brick my phone. I saw something on the main G2 forum about not using visionary but then what is the best/easiest method for rooting it?
Thanks in advance.

As to rooting, I used this method here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=928160
This uses Visionary to gain temp root and g-free to perm root. It is very safe provided you have a US G2 and are not trying to root the new "official" 2.3 update that is lurking out there. Visionary is dangerous for trying to perm root so don't try that. Just follow the instructions to the letter and you'll be fine. Even flashing the hboot is safe with this method since it runs scripts instead of having to manually type things in, leaving room for errors that could brick your phone. Once rooted, make a backup of you stock image and try some ROMS out. Virtuous G-lite is nice... I like it. I also really like CM7, and I'd advise trying it. I just can't use it since it breaks my GPS. That doesn't happen to everyone though so you may get lucky.
Radios are found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=970809
Flashing a new radio using the PCIMG method is pretty safe, but its generally not advised to mess with that unless you need to. A new radio is not necessary unless you are experiencing some reception or GPS issues. I would root first, flash a ROM, and look at the performance. If everything is legit, then I wouldn't sweat flashing a new radio just yet.

killswitch11 said:
As to rooting, I used this method here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=928160
This uses Visionary to gain temp root and g-free to perm root. It is very safe provided you have a US G2 and are not trying to root the new "official" 2.3 update that is lurking out there. Visionary is dangerous for trying to perm root so don't try that. Just follow the instructions to the letter and you'll be fine. Even flashing the hboot is safe with this method since it runs scripts instead of having to manually type things in, leaving room for errors that could brick your phone. Once rooted, make a backup of you stock image and try some ROMS out. Virtuous G-lite is nice... I like it. I also really like CM7, and I'd advise trying it. I just can't use it since it breaks my GPS. That doesn't happen to everyone though so you may get lucky.
Radios are found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=970809
Flashing a new radio using the PCIMG method is pretty safe, but its generally not advised to mess with that unless you need to. A new radio is not necessary unless you are experiencing some reception or GPS issues. I would root first, flash a ROM, and look at the performance. If everything is legit, then I wouldn't sweat flashing a new radio just yet.
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Thanks, it looks easy enough. What benefit does flashing the h-boot give me, just for curiosity's sake?

Honestly, I'm not the best person to answer that question. From what I understand, it makes it easier to recover if you somehow end up in a boot loop or something at some point. One of the more technical members may be able to better answer that question. I just did it since its generally advised to do, just something to be cautious about since one slight typo error can be fatal. But the scripts negate that danger so I don't see a reason not to flash it.

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Honestly, I'm not the best person to answer that question. From what I understand, it makes it easier to recover if you somehow end up in a boot loop or something at some point. One of the more technical members may be able to better answer that question. I just did it since its generally advised to do, just something to be cautious about since one slight typo error can be fatal. But the scripts negate that danger so I don't see a reason not to flash it.
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Ok thanks, one last question you might know the answer to: is there a way to revert everything back to stock? Like, for instance, if i need to send it in for warranty repairs or get it replaced?

If you search the forums, there are guides on how to revert back to stock. Or you could always flash the official 2.3 update that will turn S-off, install gingerbread, and bring everything back to stock. But the official 2.3 image is not rootable at this point so that would be a last ditch thing.

killswitch11 said:
If you search the forums, there are guides on how to revert back to stock. Or you could always flash the official 2.3 update that will turn S-off, install gingerbread, and bring everything back to stock. But the official 2.3 image is not rootable at this point so that would be a last ditch thing.
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I did it. Got virtuous g-lite working like a champ. much better...everything actually, but especially better battery life. thanks for your help!

[Q] Root or No?

Hey everyone, just wondering how many of you out there are planning on rooting their HTC One M9 - Adam

I will be but will keep it stock to see what HTC does with updates.
All my phones get the root & ROM trearement at some point.
Or I may just may keep it stock, that will be a first though.

I won't root mine. Like the M8, most apps that I have no need for can be disabled through the app manager. The only benefit of rooting my phone would be to be able to use Titanium Backup, but I've learned to live without it... Since I keep installed apps to a minimum, stock is all I need....

Definitly yes.. I think without root AND s-off you don't really own your device [emoji6] that's just my statement [emoji106]

Any Android phone in my hands will be rooted/s-off and custom rom/kernel with tweaks within the hour of getting it, no hesitation..
It's the sole reason i pick Android over IOS

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I will be but will keep it stock to see what HTC does with updates.
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RUU is there..

Thanks for the feedback guys, whats everyones favourite ROM's? - Adam

I rooted mine last night

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Definitly yes.. I think without root AND s-off you don't really own your device [emoji6] that's just my statement [emoji106]
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Thats my idea too, rooted right away last weekend got it on saturday and sunday i got root.
ViperOne is my favorite for a long time (htc sensantion)

I'm on the fence. The only reason I can see right now for rooting, is having multiple user accounts, and battery / performance tweaks.
As for the first I can live without that. The second one, right now I do not believe is possible. It'll only be possible to improve battery by limiting the power of the phone which is a shame.

If we root the device, will it still get software upgrades to the stock (now rooted) rom?
If so, Is there anything that cant be done when rooted that would not allow this to work? (ie, maybe removing a stock app, or disabling an app that the system (non rooted) wont let you disable, having custom recovery)?
Let me know thanks!

Not sure yet. There are updates that will come to fix certain aspects of the phone.
No xposed framework which is one of the main reasons I root.
Also if I unlock the bootloader it will delete all my data, and I'm too lazy to re-install everything on my phone all over again.

hmm. Is the bootloader locked on the "unlocked" version? I already set up my wifes phone last night after a few hours of getting it all setup (the way i like it ) i wouldnt want to have to start all over again

hello everyone. im a NOOB on rooting . as HTC10 is coming and im planning to get one. i decided to root my htc one m9. but before anything else i just want to ask u guys what is the benefits or advantages if i root my m9. is there any improvement on sound, camera, battery etc? sorry im really new on rooting thats why i need your help guys.

Lord Baelish said:
hello everyone. im a NOOB on rooting . as HTC10 is coming and im planning to get one. i decided to root my htc one m9. but before anything else i just want to ask u guys what is the benefits or advantages if i root my m9. is there any improvement on sound, camera, battery etc? sorry im really new on rooting thats why i need your help guys.
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Rooting doesn't improve anything. It allows you to access the system root (ie c:/windows/) which on android is locked away from users.
If you are going to root, it is only really worth it if you plan to s-off (security off) which allows you to run unsigned code, gives better leaway on recovering a borked device and gives read/write access to all partitions on the device.
Beamed in by telepathy.