I am having a very hard time deciding to keep this phone. There are things it does so well and others are a clear miss.
The HD dock kit (with the keyboard/mouse) brings up a massive limitation on this phone when connected to a HDMI monitor. Out of 4 HDMI monitors and TVs I own, there is not one that is an exact native resolution mode that is supported by this phone. The 720p modes come close to my 720p monitors but there is no support at all for 1080 modes.
This makes the video out look like crap on these monitors, like using S-video in or something. Most of the video modes seem to be from the old VGA output connector days like 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 etc. Why?
The output quality is no where even close to what you are used to on your PC because of this. If you were lucky enough to have a monitor with a supported native resolution then mabey it would look correct. As it is, the text is painfully blurry to look at in todays crisp digital era.
Now that the desktop mode is unusable because of crappy video out mode support, major functions of this Atrix are gone.
Anyone else notice this?
I thought I should post this to give others a heads up on these accessories.
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Bought one from Mobile fun.
The good:
- it works! There's something quite impressive about the setup, especially with a BT mouse and keyboard.
The bad:
- 1080p output is working. However, it seems to just scale up the apps from the phone original resolution. This means when browsing documents on polaris office on a 72" hdtv, the file names are 50cm long. In a nutshell unless they develop apps to make use of the extra screen estate you won't be using it.
- The screen display of the phone itself stick to 'on'. It's really annoying - and if you leave it plugged in for an entire day or longer you will reduce the life of your AMOLED display
Yeah, everything is upscaled from 480x800. To be honest, I wasn't really expecting developers to go and re-create everything in their apps just for the sake of the HDMI output of the Galaxy S 2.
Videos (and maybe photos?) are output at full 1080p.
As of my current understanding / testing when connected to a HDTV / monitor etc via MHL, currently the ONe x mirrors the screen, so you get 720p. It doesnt look all that good (I have tested on a few native 1080p Tv's, and some look better than others.
I would assume that the hardware is easily capable of outputting 1080p (rather than just mirroring the 720p screen of the phone ?)
Any Devs, or any opinions as to whether this is something that could ever be expected from HTC, or possible to add to a custom rom..
I understand that other lower spec'd HTC phones can output 1080p (even though their screen native resolution is lower.. - Sensation XL or Evo 3D - sorry not sure which one exactly..).
I have to be honest I was pretty bummed when I connected it to the TV .. I just sort of expected it would do 1080p out of the box....
Also I understand that Media link HD only currently offers 720p mirroring of the screen.. Does anyone know if this is likely to support 1080 (maybe wifi bandwith limitation ..)
the lower spec phones i.e. the evo 3d that i own will only output 1080p at 24hz making everything laggy. also it doesn`t seem to be 1080p at all but simply upscaled by the tv itself. the images are not sharp at all but look fine from a distance. if i set the phone to output a 720p it will display at 60hz and image quality will be similar if not the same. if you look at the specs you will see that the tegra 3 cannot output to 1080p howver the tegra 3 + can. maybe a good dev will be able to help you out since i intend to buy a tegra 3 device too.
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the lower spec phones i.e. the evo 3d that i own will only output 1080p at 24hz making everything laggy. also it doesn`t seem to be 1080p at all but simply upscaled by the tv itself. the images are not sharp at all but look fine from a distance. if i set the phone to output a 720p it will display at 60hz and image quality will be similar if not the same. if you look at the specs you will see that the tegra 3 cannot output to 1080p howver the tegra 3 + can. maybe a good dev will be able to help you out since i intend to buy a tegra 3 device too.
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Could not stand still here but if you check nvidia's site it says that HDMI: 1920x1080 so it is capable of 1080p
nvidia.com/object/tegra-3-processor.html
I recently bought the below MHL adapter:
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-EPL-F...&qid=1343145171&sr=8-3&keywords=galaxy+s3+mhl
It works well - it allows you to use your old MHL adapters (of which I have 3) with the new 11 pin format in our SGS3. I was pleasantly surprised to play and output 1080P files off my memory card, and even 1080P SBS 3D videos output well to my Toshiba passive 3D TV. I haven't checked yet to see what actual resolution the TV is seeing - so I don't know if it's true 1080P, but the picture was sharp in combination with my cheapie $6 MHL adapter.
Unlike my old Evo 3D - MHL mode allowed the main OS to run in landscape. That was a big surprise. Even after disconnecting, I could keep landscape mode until turning it to portrait - then I'd only regain it if I reconnected my cables. BTW - connecting to power AND HDMI was required for this to work. I have to say the landscape operation was really smooth and didn't noticeably distort scale or aspect ratio - I'd just like to be able to use it more often, like on my desk using a kickstand.
I'm guessing Samsung locked out Landscape for general use - but just in case, is there a setting that can enable landscape mode outside of MHL?
Hmm, is there some other type of landscape mode or are you talking about the one where you just turn your phone?
I'm 99% sure I'm either reading this wrong or there's another type of landscape mode I don't know about yet.
I'm trying to hook my S3 to my TV setup and am not having much fun with it. With the MHL I am getting stuttering and lagging. I have:
Samsung MHL adapter (from Infuse)
Samsung 11-to-5 pin converter
Samsung 1080p HDTV
BT keyboard & mouse, charger, HDMI, etc.
Stock ROM
The image quality is good for web and photo use but it lags and stutters. For games it makes some games nearly unplayable. I can see the phone's screen and everything is smooth but looking at HDTV I can see a lag maybe 0.5 seconds and much slower update rate, very obvious when you move the mouse. The TV shows [email protected], so it's not 1080p. I've done a LOT of searching online so maybe there's not anything new to say but I guess some people have been able to get [email protected] I guess one thing I didn't find, does ANYONE have smooth/lag-free 1080p with S3 MHL with any adapter?
I wonder if 1080i video plays at true 1080 resolution because I noticed when I play back 1080i videos I've taken with the phone itself the image quality and speed are much better. Maybe that's why Samsung decided on 1080i output rather than 720p? I came across a kernel for HTC One S (which is also a Qualcomm S4) that supposedly forces 720p... is there one for the S3?
Another issue is that audio only comes out HDMI, I want it to come out of headset to plug into AV system. I've seen a lot of people with the problem posting but no solutions? Probably isn't possible...
My third problem I actually found an issue to. That is removing the onscreen keyboard when using bluetooth keyboard and mouse. For that I used the app Null Keyboard: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wparam.nullkeyboard&hl=en
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...Another issue is that audio only comes out HDMI, I want it to come out of headset to plug into AV system. I've seen a lot of people with the problem posting but no solutions? Probably isn't possible...
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Thought I'd pipe in. I am also trying to figure out if this MHL adapter allows 1080p video as I want to use it for watching movies on a 60" 1080p plasma TV, as I don't want to purchase it if it doesn't and the forums are very confusing on whether it does or doesn't.
I wanted to say about your second problem. If you want to pipe the audio to a stereo/surround sound system, all you have to do is plug the TV audio output into the sound system's audio input. This is how I have my laptop to TV setup currently: laptop HDMI-> TV; TV audio out -> sound system.
Just be aware, some TV"s or sound systems might not have compatible audio connections. For example, in order to hook up my Vizio sound bar to my Panasonic Plasma, I had to use the fiber optic cable.... didn't have audio RCA audio out on my Panasonic.
Thought I would amend my previous statement. I was assuming that you wanted the sound that goes with the TV only... However, if you are just looking to have music on without turning on your TV, you can get a cheap miniplug-to-RCA adapter from Radioshack or the like. Should probably cost around $10 on any given day. I've been doing this with my sound system and portable phone/players for years.
buy a dual/quad core HDMI "thumbstick" for $100.
It'll be better then what you are trying to accomplish
Here's some info regarding what I've tried and what the results have been w/ my HTC ONE. Hopefully, it can help you based on what you're trying to accomplish. Maybe with some feedback, I can see if there's any work around. Obviously, this probably wasn't entirely part of the design team's intentions for this phone, but it's fun to try.
Using a 5-PIN MHL to USB Adapter:
INTERFACE: When I plug this in to my phone, I immediately notice scrolling through the app drawer is laggy. Do you? My adapter is from Ebay, and is about a year old. It looks like any other $10 adapter I see out there, but I wasn't sure if the newer ones are better.
INPUT LAG: almost non-existent. Pressing controls take action immediately.
MIRROR: TV is a true mirror of the phone.
MOVIES: playback stutters due to the MHL1.0 24fps @ 1080 restriction
GAMES: are playable due to low input lag, but again the 24fps bites you for any game (this is MANY) that does not support changing its resolution.
Using HTC Media Link HD: Ran the update to latest (as of Jun 19th 2013)
INTERFACE: Noticed right away that my phone remained butter-smooth while also transmitting signal to the TV.
INPUT LAG: felt like about 300ms.
MIRROR: TV is not a true mirror of the phone. I immediately noticed my phone was taken over, put in landscape mode and my app drawer was different.
MOVIES: Playback seemed smoother overall, with occasional hitching (not frequent enough to deter from use).
GAMES: Games are unplayable due to input lag. Noticed a softening effect and when not lagging, probably was a touch smoother in FPS.
Other Considerations:
Hook up to a non-1080p TV: Nope. Most modern 720p TVs support 1080i, and thus tell the phone to send it 1080 signal.
Hook up a REALLY non-1080p TV: Ok, ok... so get a 8+ year old TV, or an older LCD Monitor. Yes. Whatever resolution it supports at max will make the HTC One step down from 1080 signal and tada... movies, games and interface all become butter smooth over MHL to USB.
Change the output resolution in the app: This will work if the game supports it, but many don't. Movies? Does anyone know of a good movie app that lets you change the output res?
Root your phone, it's time for ElementalX's 720p MHL HDMI output tweak since this phone doesn't support MHL 2.0: Sure, but I'm trying to find a non-rooting method first. It looks decent. Ultimately, if I have to, I will, but I'm trying not to tinker this go-round. The phone is totally acceptable to me otherwise. On Sprint, he's just begun support for us and I'm keeping an eye on the thread to see better results from the pioneers first.
References:
Hardware Info: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2226982
ElementalX w/ 720p MHL USB support: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2249774
New finding: If your MHL adapter causes your TV to blink in and out from time to time, I figured out what it is: Turn off Mobile Data on your phone.
For me, when I'm on 3G at least, whenever it gets a data hit, the HDMI functionality cuts out causing a static, noisy output to the TV.
Fortunately Wi-Fi is OK. Untested yet with 4G.
About to purchase a Bluetooth controller , a generic mhl adapter from amazon that has been confirmed to work with the one , and a flash of the ElementalX kernel . Really hope I'll be able to play my N64oid and PSXe titles smoothly . Will definitely report back with results
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About to purchase a Bluetooth controller , a generic mhl adapter from amazon that has been confirmed to work with the one , and a flash of the ElementalX kernel . Really hope I'll be able to play my N64oid and PSXe titles smoothly . Will definitely report back with results
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With that great option to set to 720p you should be butter-smooth. Good luck and let us know!
Hey.
I am running the latest nightly of CM 10.1 on my HTC one.
I can not seem to get my mhl cable working. Once I plug it in my HTC one often shuts down. The cable isn't faulty. It works like a charm with my galaxy nexus.
Sometimes I see a mirror of my screen but it is with a really bad resolution. Sometimes it flickers and shows a picture on and off. Mostly it freezes and then shuts down. It's really annoying.
USB OTG also doesn't work. The frequency of getting a bad resolution for a little while before it shuts down worked better after I disabled USB debugging in my developer settings.
Any thoughts? Workarounds?
Thanks in advance.
HTC one. CM 10.1
Turn off any form of motion control, as that'll cause quite a few issues as well.
Correct. Thanks a lot. I turned off auto rotate and then it worked. Didn't think of that. Now the mhl HDMI setup runs flawless without lag.
HTC one. CM 10.1
It's just me or image quality it's not that good? It's not the same as computer connected with HDMI? It seems it lower bitrate or diminish image quality. I am not talking about 24 fps limitation...
Does MHL adaptor quality might have an influence, or it's all the same?