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Anyone got the s620 on BT Broadband Anywhere?
Any good?
Anychance of the Cabs for BT Talk lol?
Installation files are here: http://btsupport.custhelp.com/cgi-b...05&p_cv=2.1805&p_cats=1804,1805&p_faqid=10901
Discussion about how crap it is here:
http://beta.bt.com/bta/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=3464&start=60&tstart=0
indiekiduk said:
Installation files are here: http://btsupport.custhelp.com/cgi-b...05&p_cv=2.1805&p_cats=1804,1805&p_faqid=10901
Discussion about how crap it is here:
http://beta.bt.com/bta/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=3464&start=60&tstart=0
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Nothing good to say as a BT user, have reset phone so as to get away from there lame programming.
Lol yeh I had read all these already, usually because my HomeHub fails me on a daily basis (Misses his Netgear )
Hi,
I got my BT Total broadband package last week, personally I can’t say a bad word about it, in fact very impressed so far.
Granted the HTC s620 is the first phone of its kind I have ever had so I can’t compare but I love the little device. Good screen, good camera, clear calls, good reception, no problems setting up email, thumbs up all round. The only issue I had was with Active Sync but the details of that are in another thread.
I haven’t hammered the home hub yet but again so far it’s being kicking out a good strong signal since I set it up.
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Hi,
I got my BT Total broadband package last week, personally I can’t say a bad word about it, in fact very impressed so far.
Granted the HTC s620 is the first phone of its kind I have ever had so I can’t compare but I love the little device. Good screen, good camera, clear calls, good reception, no problems setting up email, thumbs up all round. The only issue I had was with Active Sync but the details of that are in another thread.
I haven’t hammered the home hub yet but again so far it’s being kicking out a good strong signal since I set it up.
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How long does your battery last???
Obviously it depends on what your doing but on standby it’s lasting about 5 days, with average use, (paying games, web browsing) I’d say 1-2 days. However this is with the standard battery. It comes with an extended battery in the box which I haven’t used yet, but I guess it will add about 25-40% extra, that said I need to try it really.
The only bad is (which it does warm you about) when using the wireless connection to your hub (or any hot spot) it uses loads of power. I left my phone attached to it and the phone powered off in the middle of the night (waking me up) so it literally discharged the battery in a matter of hours just by being connected via wi-fi.
Gumshoe said:
Obviously it depends on what your doing but on standby it’s lasting about 5 days, with average use, (paying games, web browsing) I’d say 1-2 days. However this is with the standard battery. It comes with an extended battery in the box which I haven’t used yet, but I guess it will add about 25-40% extra, that said I need to try it really.
The only bad is (which it does warm you about) when using the wireless connection to your hub (or any hot spot) it uses loads of power. I left my phone attached to it and the phone powered off in the middle of the night (waking me up) so it literally discharged the battery in a matter of hours just by being connected via wi-fi.
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I think you have been lucky and got a BT s620 that works, i was getting 2 days on average use, now i get 4 days of average use without the BT software and i have more RAM available. The only thing i don't have is BBtalk anymore, small thing to loose to make the phone better "work"
On another note, I’ve being treating my new phone with extra special care since I’ve got it, however, I’ve just had a major (and very unexpected) nose bleed. And guess what? Yup blood all over my new shiny Smartphone. But it’s resisted well and cleaned up OK and thankfully functioning fine, so that is hopefully a good indicator that it will be resilient over time.
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On another note, I’ve being treating my new phone with extra special care since I’ve got it, however, I’ve just had a major (and very unexpected) nose bleed. And guess what? Yup blood all over my new shiny Smartphone. But it’s resisted well and cleaned up OK and thankfully functioning fine, so that is hopefully a good indicator that it will be resilient over time.
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You'd have thought a smartphone could have cleaned itself or poped out a little umbrella to protect itself.
indiekiduk said:
Installation files are here: http://btsupport.custhelp.com/cgi-b...05&p_cv=2.1805&p_cats=1804,1805&p_faqid=10901
Discussion about how crap it is here:
http://beta.bt.com/bta/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=3464&start=60&tstart=0
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You are better off sticking with version 2.35 as 2.37 is incredibly buggy. I have the installer for 2.35 if anyone needs it.
Battery life varies from 2 - 4 days depending on how often you use WiFi. If you use BBTalk a lot then be prepared to charge daily (not really an issue IMHO)
Ive had mine a few weeks now and I havnt had much problems with it whatso ever... then again I havnt had any problems with any of my BT products (homehub, vision, mobile etc...) it doesnt mean that it doesnt happen though as I have heard other people complian about some of their services.
Battery life doesnt seem bad whatsoever, as long as you dont leave it connected to wifi like I did once as that just drains the battery in a matter of hours.
Just come back off of a holiday where I used it to play games (guitar hero III rocks), watch my Family Guy videos using Coreplayer, take pictures and record videos of the kids and even use it as a phone once in a while and the battery lasted me just fine all I did was stick it on charge when I went to bed.
So I personally rate this phone, Ive even stopped using my old HP PPC which I used to take on long trips.
Ive noticed a lot of people also mentioning how much RAM the bt software uses, but I find that if im using a different homescreen other than the BT specific ones my available RAM is a whole lot better and I still have access to the bt software without having to uninstall the bt software.
bt broadband talk
probably a stupid question but..
is there any way to have bt broadband talk installed without having the other bt stuff?
and if so has anyone got the installer?
I get about 4-5 days out of mine before charging but that is on the extended battery the phone was crap to start with but i have unistalled the BT crap and that has made it usable but i would say it is not a very good phone and it is very quirky I much prefer my HTC universal which i will be going back to once my new screen arrives and is fitted.
Bt broadband anywahere
Hello fellow subscribers,
Is there anyone out there who can tweak the BT Broadband anywhere software so that it installs fully and works with wm6.1 and wm6.5?
Could those who have the know-how please respond? I am happy to get a PM if that's the best way to respond to my question.
Cheers.
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Hello fellow subscribers,
Is there anyone out there who can tweak the BT Broadband anywhere software so that it installs fully and works with wm6.1 and wm6.5?
Could those who have the know-how please respond? I am happy to get a PM if that's the best way to respond to my question.
Cheers.
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If you check the BT Anywhere Forum people have got the VOIP to work with WM6.1, not that i think worth it as it's a bismal.
The rest of the software is pointless especially the AV and the ROM won't even go into it
What you gain in a WM6.1 ROM far supases the loss of BT Software
I don't know where I am missing it, I have googled for this, gone onto the said forum, could not find any discussion there.
I will ry again just now. If you know precisely the link, could I have it please?
Thanks.
YOSEFE said:
I don't know where I am missing it, I have googled for this, gone onto the said forum, could not find any discussion there.
I will ry again just now. If you know precisely the link, could I have it please?
Thanks.
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I'll have a look been along time since used the website but just mem it
http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=4876&start=0&tstart=0
I got my t-mobile TP2 at the end of August. At first I thought it was the best device ever. The screen was huge and clear. Web browsing was awesome and the keyboard is just the best...
Now a few months later I hate this thing. All the things I love are still true but so many bad things have surfaced.
The phone is slow and unresponsive. I hate that it ignores my inputs and I push the key again and again and again and then it decides to empty the buffer and gives me 15 of the letter I was trying to type. I don't like the wait after I make an entry.
I can't stand the lack of a scroll wheel and Dpad. Take GoogleMaps, I knew before that certain actions were a precise number of scroll clicks and then a click to select. Without the wheel I'm stuck pocking at the screen. I used to be able to use Gmaps driving without looking and only taking attention away from driving for a split second. I can't use it now because it's too risky...
I've tried to speed the device up and make it as close to what I want as possible. I turned off Manila and installed voldpad but it's not enough. I'm sick of hard resetting the device trying to make it faster.
The stupid iphone did this. Microsoft and HTC now think that everyone wants to tap away at screens with gimmicky interfaces and the devices are loosing real functionality.
My 8125 was a better device, buttons everywhere and didn't lag.
Thoughts?
yup, walk to the toilet and flushhhhhhhhhh it
I would have to agree with you to a point. My first device was the 8525 . I have also used the tilt and the fuze. It seemed with each generation, the device loses fuctons out of the box. If it was not for xda, i would be hating these devices and gotten an iphone. The tilt 2 is no exeption but the improvements over the fuze out weight the bad aspectes of the device. It might be awhile before the apps catch up with the hardware.
there has been a new wave of devices that use the sliding keybord layout. e features of the upcoming droid read like the wishlist for htc on the touch pro 2
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The phone is slow and unresponsive. I hate that it ignores my inputs and I push the key again and again and again and then it decides to empty the buffer and gives me 15 of the letter I was trying to type. I don't like the wait after I make an entry.
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Well, this sounds like a hardware issue to me.. perhaps you have a defective phone. Mine is fine, there are a few software glitches here and there, but overall that problem is not common for this device.
I came from a Wizard, so ya know..
I hear ya, I came from a Samsung i760, quite possibly the last WinMoPro phone that will ever sport a traditional phone button grid on the front of the phone (*plus* an excellent slide-out qwerty.) I got quite used to it, and I could do everything blindfolded. It was also built like a tank, no case needed.
But like you, I was seduced by that big, luscious WVGA screen. And so far Im pretty happy, although I do miss the buttons (and Dpad) alot. "The devils' greatest trick was to make the world think they didnt need phones with buttons" was my mantra.
Well, the tradeoffs are good, good enough that I think I'll stick with the TP2 until something better comes along. The speed is much faster, the screen is, well, gorgeous, and a myriad of little other things make it more preferable than the i760 *OVERALL*.
...but man, I wish I could mate the two little bricks and get the best of both worlds.
Well it just is impossible to have both a large screen and buttons on the front of the phone. I still think this phone is the best of both world with the slide out keyboard. This phone's keyboard is very easy to use and large. My Tilt keyboard would sometimes not register a key input because I didn't push the key hard enough. This one is as fast and easy as typing on my computer.
As for sluggishness, I have had none and still use the default T-Mobile rom with TouchFlo3D. Which is actually very suprising to me in having it work so well. With the Tilt you had to ditch the AT&T rom so fast it wasn't even funny. As for your keyboard problem, it almost sound like a hardware buffer problem or that you have something messing you drivers or freezing your phone. First I would check the Memory Usage and then perhaps dig down deeper into the Task Manager and see CPU Usage of your various apps to see if any are hogging it. Perhaps selectively uninstall software. Or last try a warranty exchange.
Granted, my T-Mobile USA Touch Pro 2 doesn't have much installed or changed yet. It does have Exchange Push activated and Facebook, actuall AIM, MyPhone, Marketplace, Bing, Skyfire, PHM RegEdit, Netflix Mobile, and Garmin Mobile XT installed.
I noticed a huge reduction in issues once I switched to WinMo6.5. The keyboard buffering problem is still there, but it's nowhere near as bad, and only really occurs if you fire up an app and immediately start typing.
You just have to realize that what you typed WILL show up eventually, and that the device will quickly catch up to you. It's no different than opening Windows PowerShell on my laptop, and typing a command while waiting for it to load, it'll execute the command once it's loaded...I don't have to worry...
My problem with the TP2 is that it feels fragile and just too.. plastic.. I've had a HTC Wizard before which didn't feel like cheapass plastic.
Too bad HTC has cut on the quality of their phones.. I don't want my phone to feel like it's going to break when I bend the hinge.
i feel the same way. for me tho, i dont think its the phone... i think ita WinMo6.5. So outdated and UGLY with the 6.5.1 additions of "finger buttons." ive been searching for a phone that i can use on tmo with 3g, othrer than mytouch and g1. i hate those devices. if i could get the rhodium onto hero, life would prolly be better.
I am with you 100% when it comes to the d-pad. I currently am still on the Fuze and miss the d-pad from the Tilt. Left and right on the Fuze is unreliable, but I can still use up and down. I am very hesitant to move "up" to the Tilt 2, and you are confirming my fears.
You are right, and I've also thought that if/when Apple makes an iPhone with a qwerty keyboard, you will suddently see a huge influx of new devices with qwerty keyboards. I also bet Apple will come out with a slick voice recognition interface, then everyone else will be following suit with that too.
I still love mine, but dumped the stock ROM a long time ago. I'm on Fusion v6.0, 21869.
I moved to the Rhodium from the Vogue about a month ago and I have to say I love it as much today as I did the day it arrived, probably more. Stock ROM. I thank God every day the DPAD is gone - what a waste of space. Have experienced no hardware issues and far fewer software issues. For the first time, I have a phone that only gets reset during my weekly backup each Monday morning instead of every day or two. Although initially I hated the addition of the audio jack, I recently had occasion to use it for playing preshow music over a theatre sound system for a play, so even that came it handy, though I will always prefer Bluetooth audio.
All i can say is every one to there own, People will love it People will hate it, Me i love it, On the other hand if you Hate it GET RID and leave us to enjoy ours
Well, I'm glad so many still like it. I think my next step is to check out another unit in the store and see if mine is defective.
I'm also going to look at a new ROM, maybe that will speed it up. Any recommendations as to which one I should try?
Well I am been using it for a few months now and it still runs fine. I haven't flashed any ROM yet. Still with Telstra 6.1 ROM.
However, I do miss the D-pad too. Problem is having a large screen and a D-Pad will make the phone larger. I don't think I want anything larger so if I have to choose I will go with large screen. Otherwise I would have bought the TP instead.
I think that they could get both in there if they tried. Maybe a little joystick like the qtek 8130 or the 2125...
I miss the DPad, but then again, the screen is so much bigger than my Diamond that it's easier to finger navigate. A Blackberry trackball would have been awesome.
I'm two weeks into my Sprint TP2 with stock 6.1 ROM, and I am loving it. I listen to music and watch TV shows on the train during my commute. I just discovered voice command and I'm playing around with it. Selecting media is still a bit dodgy, but making calls works amazingly well without a need to record tags for each contact.
I know these features were available on the Diamond, but the headphone jack and storage card make all the difference in the world. I now realize that 4GB non-expandable storage is a huge liability (and ActiveSync is a slow-ass way to transfer files). The USB adapter discouraged me from using the Diamond for music -- now I listen to music and podcasts when I commute via car. No more staticky, commercial ridden radio for me.
I loaded Fusion visual voicemail, but I haven't been able to use it because I haven't missed a single call since I got the TP2 (with the Treo, Diamond, and Mogul, I would frequently get calls that went straight to voicemail).
And the battery life is a tremendous improvement over the Diamond. When I used the Diamond, I would leave the house with a full charge and then recharge it two more times at work. I don't know if I could get through an entire day on one charge with the TP2 (it would be close), but the charging itself is so much faster that I just need a 20 minute boost towards the end of the day to get me back home. The Diamond would sometimes takes 2 hours to get back to full charge. It was maddening.
I think the two features that would have made this phone perfect are a trackball and more stable screen rotation. Many apps practically crash when you rotate the screen (opera mini has to be restarted if I accidentally open the screen to type, and a couple of times I had to hard reboot because it got locked up). I'm glad the G Sensor doesn't rotate most programs -- I actually find it an annoyance. I prefer portrait mode 99% of the time unless I'm using the keyboard.
And speaking of which, what an awesome keyboard. The Mogul keyboard was awful, which is why I settled for the Diamond instead of waiting for the Touch Pro to come back into stock. I figured I barely ever used the keyboard, so it didn't make sense to spend more money and wait an indefinite amount of time for a feature I didn't even use. The TP2 keyboard is a different animal -- the spaced, offset keys make typing a breeze. I can actually pound out a few paragraphs now without having to correct every fourth letter. It more than makes up for the thickness.
And now that I have the keyboard, I can control emulated games. That was pretty much impossible on the Diamond.
Maybe in a few weeks I could change my mind, but I doubt it. If I could get the VolDpad repeat scroll mode to work properly in Opera Mini, I wouldn't even mind not having a trackball.
I have owned every HTC phone ever offered by AT&T (previously Cingular) , starting with the 2150 (wizard) , Hermes, Kaizer, Raphael, and now Rhodium. The first (2150 or wizard) was almost useless, and although you can see the potential it was practically a piece of trash. With the Hermes and Kaiser things slightly improved especially if I flashed the correct ROM, I still have my Kaiser which I use as a substitute phone. Starting with Fuze (Raphael) these phones are significantly improved, none the less lack of support for a capacitive screen have kept them one or two steps behind the Iphone or even your regular touch screen phones. My son has an LG with Symbian OS and the touch screen works beautifully, and its a lot less cost than these expensive WM phones. The notification remains an issue especially lack of repeat without third party apps.
Yet the versatility and potential for customization is far beyond any other phone. I have to say that if this site was not in existence, most likely I, like many others would have given up on these types of phones a long time ago (HTC listen and heed).
This long winded start of this post is to give you my two cents based on my experience. By virtue of being a member of this site we all make modifications to our phones, install and uninstall a huge number of app and ROMs, we remap keys and make short cuts etc. Windows OS tends to leave behind fragments of programs and registry changes and even key that were created even after uninstalls, and after many of these you have dead snippets of code left behind scattered all over, you also will have other modifications created by these programs that do not revert to original by simple uninstall, leaving your phone operating at a much less than optimal settings, where some setting is causing it to look for a program that does not exist anymore, or it is constantly hunting for things you already uninstalled, etc. My experience with my last two phones from att, is that the original ROM was really optimized specifically for that device, on both after flashing many ROMs I found that the original ROM (minus bloatware loaded by the carrier) gave me the best option for speed and functionality, which made these excellent devices much better than any phone on the market, and yes much better than an Iphone. I also found that after few month with heavy customization my phones became boggy and did not work well. I suggest that if your phone today is not working as well as it did when you first bought it, you should do a hard reset, learn how to us Sashmi which will automatically reload all the programs and settings you need. Other commercial back up programs may back up the settings that are causing the problem, and may not be useful for this purpose. Just try using your phone immediately after a hard reset with no extra software and you might be surprised at how much better it functions. If you reload your programs and it again becomes slow, then a software you are loading that may not be compatible. If so inclined you may want to reload your programs one by one and you should be able to figure out which one is causing the problem. You may have to live without a program that you like; remember many cabs you load from here are Beta modifications that are ported from other devices that may not function well on your phone . If your original OS is not fast enough then you should flash a ROM from this site that was designed for your device based on your carrier. You should remember that although it is a lot of fun to modify your phone, you may not have the best combination for optimizing your phone, and the slowness may be a result of all the fun you had doing that. I don't think it fair to say that your phone does not function well after you changed many things on it. But if you are like me, you will continue to mess with it as long as you are on this site, just remember to reset and start from scratch and things will go back to how they were!
Here's my HTC history:
Hermes (TyTN): Clunky, but a nice phone for its time
Kaiser: (TYTN II): As above, lovely tilting keyboard, faster and the most responsive satnav of them all.
Raphael (Touch Pro): What were they thinking! Screen too small and GPS a total failure, often just not working - and when it did the lag was awful. Hate this phone with a passion.
Rhodium (Touch Pro 2): Great phone. Miss the dpad a bit. No TAB key!! (OK, you can map one). Slight GPS lag. S2U2 pretty much mandatory to avoid calling people from your pocket.
If I couldn't have the Rhodium, I'd go back to my Kaiser.
I have not played enough with my TP2 yet, but I think if you like hardware buttons, you can customize the existing buttons with utilities like AE buttons and many others which allows you even double or triple click on the same buttons. I use it even on Tilt which has D pad and the scroll wheel as well. I would say give it a try.
I loaded the November 9th, 2009 "23504" ROM from NRGZ28 a few days ago and for the first time I have had no trouble at all that wasn't easily worked around. It looks great, is fast and seems to be completely stable, and actually appears to be easy on the battery as well. I'm going to keep this one for a while.
I have tried pretty much every ROM released by various members of the community here and I like those from NRGZ28 the most. Setup is always easy and I am using ready to use the device in just a few minutes after flashing the ROM and connecting the the Exchange server. However, up until this ROM I experienced so many issues that I have spent hours trying, often unsuccessfully, to fix that I was getting tired of the Touch Pro 2. I am ording the BlackBerry 9700 for my personal line on Monday and I was about to order a second one to replace the Touch Pro 2 (and put it on Craigslist).
After loading this version I can now use the phone and expect it to work. No odd freezing, or having to reset to read email, avoiding scrolling in "titanium, none of that...it just works.
One thing that helps is that I no longer use HTC Sense...I think it is causing more problems than it is worth an it might help people to move on...it really is not even worth the trouble. It is now the first thing I disable. When using Windows Mobile without it, regardless of which ROM I am using, the device has ALWAYS been much more stable without it...and it doesn't even look that good :/
For those of you looking for a better ROM version that appears to work reliably...this may be the one. At least on the T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 it is the best I have used.
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One thing that helps is that I no longer use HTC Sense...I think it is causing more problems than it is worth an it might help people to move on...it really is not even worth the trouble. It is now the first thing I disable.
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I disabled Touch Flo on my WM 6.1 Fuze after about 10 minutes. Disabled it on my Tilt 2 w/WM 6.5 after playing with it for about an hour. (Took me a while to get over that weather display -- pretty impressive!) I prefer to run WM plain vanilla. So how does the speed of this ROM compare to the stock 6.5 ROM with Touch-Flo (HTC Sense?) disabled? Is it worth while flashing it, aside from the fun of just tinkering around with the thing?
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I loaded the November 9th, 2009 "23504" ROM from NRGZ28 a few days ago and for the first time I have had no trouble at all that wasn't easily worked around. It looks great, is fast and seems to be completely stable, and actually appears to be easy on the battery as well. I'm going to keep this one for a while.
I have tried pretty much every ROM released by various members of the community here and I like those from NRGZ28 the most. Setup is always easy and I am using ready to use the device in just a few minutes after flashing the ROM and connecting the the Exchange server. However, up until this ROM I experienced so many issues that I have spent hours trying, often unsuccessfully, to fix that I was getting tired of the Touch Pro 2. I am ording the BlackBerry 9700 for my personal line on Monday and I was about to order a second one to replace the Touch Pro 2 (and put it on Craigslist).
After loading this version I can now use the phone and expect it to work. No odd freezing, or having to reset to read email, avoiding scrolling in "titanium, none of that...it just works.
One thing that helps is that I no longer use HTC Sense...I think it is causing more problems than it is worth an it might help people to move on...it really is not even worth the trouble. It is now the first thing I disable. When using Windows Mobile without it, regardless of which ROM I am using, the device has ALWAYS been much more stable without it...and it doesn't even look that good :/
For those of you looking for a better ROM version that appears to work reliably...this may be the one. At least on the T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 it is the best I have used.
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+1 Agreed regarding sense messing stuff up. I D/L'd NRG's fairly plain as in lacking manila(photon ROM) and it is very stable so far, no issues. Mobile shell works very well for a ui and is very stable also. I think manila,sense,tf3d all cause various issues. It's nice eyecandy and fun to use until the freezes and other issues just get to be to much. Happy with "photon" minus tf3d.
check my sig for the rom i use. most stable ones i ever used (and i flashed a lot ) ,even with sense ui on,cause i personally love the sense ui. been using these roms for a while now next to nrgz28's roms,wich are brilliant in their own way, but when it comes to stability the rhodium_af roms just simply rule! no bugs,no freezes,it just works. with nrg's roms i usually had to reset my tp2 at least once a day, with the roms i now use its only about once a week
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I disabled Touch Flo on my WM 6.1 Fuze after about 10 minutes. Disabled it on my Tilt 2 w/WM 6.5 after playing with it for about an hour. (Took me a while to get over that weather display -- pretty impressive!) I prefer to run WM plain vanilla. So how does the speed of this ROM compare to the stock 6.5 ROM with Touch-Flo (HTC Sense?) disabled? Is it worth while flashing it, aside from the fun of just tinkering around with the thing?
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I use it right now with the Windows Default Today Screen, "Titanium" I think everyone is calling it, and this is quite good for me. When I get a new text it shows in its own section of the today screen. Same for email and it is separated by email account. Phone and Voicemail keep it simple as well though I wish I could add a Tasks section and get rid of Internet Explorer. This is a great today screen layout and a few more themes for it would be even nicer.
I have seen another version of this with all kinds of complicated options called "Titanium Ultimate" and it is a pure mess. It is absolutely a mess. I got rid of the ROM it was on just because of that...it is the reason I went to this NRGZ28 ROM.
htckaiseruser, I also used that ROM and switched...I guess that's why it is nice to have so many people making them. We all have our preferences.
I really do hope no one takes offense to my statements here. Some of us like a little eye candy but want a stable, working, easy to use device with great battery life. HTC Sense just doesn't make sense since it just has too many problems and really just gets in the way. I like Windows Mobile because I like the way the Calendar works...yet they change that. I like the way contacts are displayed, but they change that too. I like my text messages to arrive and for me to be able to reply but HTC prevents that from working. I like to get push email and lock my phone for security, yet if I am using "Sense" and lock the phone, no email comes in at all. They tried to do too much.
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I really do hope no one takes offense to my statements here.
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Thanks, and I hope no one does either.
And, thanks also to all the xda "chefs" and all the other tweakers here who've done so much for me, at least, to make my HTCs more usable and more fun, and to make this such a great place to visit, again and again.
I can't find a better ROM than NRG's. i was using his "EnergyROM_23071_RHODIUM_18.Oct.2009_Standard" since i first got the phone and was completely satisfied with it. battery usage was very light and i was able to charge it throuhg usb while at work (i have a desk job) and there was almost nothing i had to do to make it work on install. just the normal keyboard fix.
WM6.5 21876! WM65 21876! WM65 21876! Seriously, I have went weeks without resetting my phone. I have forgot how nice it is to have a hot GPS lock after a few days of not using it.
Have tested a lot of ROM´s almost every 3rd day reflashing
And find that energy´s photon 6.5.1 is the best for me
In the past I flashed hermes, kaizer etc many times, and found that custom ROMs actually improved performance. When I bought a fuze, as I immediately started flashing ROMs or simply upgraded manila my device became slow and not function as well. So went back to stock, removed all the ATT bloat-ware. When you started hearing about the awsome fuze ROMs from RRE, DA_G, etc which were real WM6.5, and were made for fuze specifically, now I could flash and keep my phone functional, but never as good as stock with WM6.1. Now I have a tilt2 with most ATT junk deleted, I find it to be extremely responsive and works well with manila or without it. For me, flashing a rom may be best utilized as a hobby/fun on these devices until a build is perfected. If you start flashing early you should keep that in mind and expect a lot of issues. Like the poster mentioned the sense UI causing problems, remember these apps were not designed for this phone, guys customize them to fit but it is never a perfect fit, that is why IMHO, you get problems. It seems that stock ROMs are a lot better now. Likely this happened, because phone companies have become aware of the excellent ROM builders on XDA and have gotten their act together, knowing that if they do not produce a quality product, folks here will. This phenomena is a testament to all the ROM builders on this site. Eventually the liklhood is that ROM builders here will build the perfect ROM for Rhodium, which will be better than stock. Till they have one for tilt2, I will only flash my fuze in order to keep Tilt2 functioning well for work.
hmm,..im gonna have to try it out,..The currently use has been great for the past couple days. I didnt notice problems til today in texting. When having "textversations", the phone keeps freezing. Its pretty frustrating.
i have been using Josh's perfect black and it hasn't freezed up yet and the battery life is great.
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In the past I flashed hermes, kaizer etc many times, and found that custom ROMs actually improved performance. When I bought a fuze, as I immediately started flashing ROMs or simply upgraded manila my device became slow and not function as well. So went back to stock, removed all the ATT bloat-ware. When you started hearing about the awsome fuze ROMs from RRE, DA_G, etc which were real WM6.5, and were made for fuze specifically, now I could flash and keep my phone functional, but never as good as stock with WM6.1. Now I have a tilt2 with most ATT junk deleted, I find it to be extremely responsive and works well with manila or without it. For me, flashing a rom may be best utilized as a hobby/fun on these devices until a build is perfected. If you start flashing early you should keep that in mind and expect a lot of issues. Like the poster mentioned the sense UI causing problems, remember these apps were not designed for this phone, guys customize them to fit but it is never a perfect fit, that is why IMHO, you get problems. It seems that stock ROMs are a lot better now. Likely this happened, because phone companies have become aware of the excellent ROM builders on XDA and have gotten their act together, knowing that if they do not produce a quality product, folks here will. This phenomena is a testament to all the ROM builders on this site. Eventually the liklhood is that ROM builders here will build the perfect ROM for Rhodium, which will be better than stock. Till they have one for tilt2, I will only flash my fuze in order to keep Tilt2 functioning well for work.
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I tried the nrg rom and it was GREAT on the tilt2 UNTIL i realize i could not get the hardware keyboard working even close to what its supposed to be. THEN my onscreen keyboard decided to stick on the phone pad so i coulnt type much of anything anymore without issues! Save yourself now, if you were even thinking about it.
BTW, i am back on the stock rom and staying away from mobile shell and giving minila its fair share for the first time. Im looking for easy things to make it better. If you have any tips, please PM me with them, thanks
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check my sig for the rom i use. most stable ones i ever used (and i flashed a lot ) ,even with sense ui on,cause i personally love the sense ui. been using these roms for a while now next to nrgz28's roms,wich are brilliant in their own way, but when it comes to stability the rhodium_af roms just simply rule! no bugs,no freezes,it just works. with nrg's roms i usually had to reset my tp2 at least once a day, with the roms i now use its only about once a week
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[ROM][WWE]|15-11-09|Rhodium_AF|HTC Sense 2.5|LEO 1.43|WM65 21876|VX|
I concur!!! I have always been using NRG's energy ROMs, back during my Fuze days. But ever since I switched to Ark's AF ROM, I have not looked back since. I have flashed Fusion ROM, Miri V7, ROMeOS ROM, etc but I always went back to energy. But Ark's AF ROM totally blew me away in its stability and simplicity. It does not have a lot of frills or eye-candy, but it is very stable, very usable. You guys should try it. I am flashing VX1 as I type this. Hahaha
First off let me say, you guys have done a great job in getting this project as far as it has. XDAndroid is great!
As much as I try to use it full time, the battery drain issue is a drag. If i'm lucky ill get about 6 hours with regular use (only keep gtalk and gmail running in the background) but alas this just isnt long enough in my hectic life, as my journeys into public are usually more than 6 hours.
So what are the chances of battery drain improvement? Is there any hope that it can be improved? Some fine tuning with the kernel and the drivers? Or is this as good as it gets?
Keep up the good work guys.
This project is literally being reverse-engineered... so it's not exactly easy.
Plus, power management always seems to have some fancy proprietary features behind it to be truly robust, which will take a long time for this project to sort out.
It's one of those things that kinda kills a project as well - not that it's killed this project by any means, but it's one of those 800lb gorillas that everyone tries to ignore - mainly because of the difficulty that is inherent.
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First off let me say, you guys have done a great job in getting this project as far as it has. XDAndroid is great!
As much as I try to use it full time, the battery drain issue is a drag. If i'm lucky ill get about 6 hours with regular use (only keep gtalk and gmail running in the background) but alas this just isnt long enough in my hectic life, as my journeys into public are usually more than 6 hours.
So what are the chances of battery drain improvement? Is there any hope that it can be improved? Some fine tuning with the kernel and the drivers? Or is this as good as it gets?
Keep up the good work guys.
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I honestly believe the battery life could be improved. We're still at a rather incomplete stage, after all.. seeing as how we lack GPS, Camera, and complete Bluetooth support? I know there was work recently done to cleanup some low-level kernel parts which improved headset support. I'd say that it's not hopeless because if the G1 can run Android reasonably well, the HTC Touch Pro, Diamond, etc.. all could as well. That's just my take on it.
I didn't mean to imply it couldn't be improved - not by a long shot. Just that it is a mysterious piece in the puzzle.
It's not so cut-and-dry as say GPS - it works or it doesn't. Battery life, it's one of those fuzzy things that seems to be different for everyone. So I certainly hope (and feel) that it can be improved, just don't expect it to happen anytime soon.
i hope to sell my fuze in the near future, April and buy a g1 yayy.
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i hope to sell my fuze in the near future, April and buy a g1 yayy.
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Not sure how this applies to this thread... or why you would choose a G1 when there's so many better Android devices out there now. But that still doesn't explain why you posted in this thread.
Back to the thread, I'm hoping for some battery drain improvement... the camera, GPS, BT, etc would all be very nice, but I could use Android full time without them. It's exceedingly difficult to use Android full time with the battery in the state it's in.
I agree. While I do like the functionality in the state its in, it is not practical for me to use a phone o/s that can't last 6 hours with moderate use. I went back to winmo for the first time in a couple months and was reminded how much better it is at sipping battery life. I hope to use Android full time in the future once battery life gets a bit better.
i am sure the devs will find a solution to this..same goes to certain roms..some said the battery life is bad..but then,the devs managed to fix the battery issue,boom!back to normal..so,i think XDAndroid will improve..just give it some time though..
I'm being hopeful that they can, they've worked wonders before, so I'm sure its possible.
Hoping I get a job in this economic climate as well, then I can buy me a snapdragon powered android beast.
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I agree. While I do like the functionality in the state its in, it is not practical for me to use a phone o/s that can't last 6 hours with moderate use. I went back to winmo for the first time in a couple months and was reminded how much better it is at sipping battery life. I hope to use Android full time in the future once battery life gets a bit better.
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I agree with you totally. I wish I could use Android as a main OS but that's impossible. So many issues, so many bugs!
I would like to thank all the guys who've been working on this project, I guess I'll have a glance on it in several months to see the improvements
First of all its really awesome to have Android running on Winmo.. Like all other users, im also experiencing the heavy battery drain while using android. One other i have noticed is the my fuze gets really heated up while using Android. Does anyone know why?
Lets hope the developers out there will be able to put together a decent xdandroid with gps and bluetooth anytime soon and will be able to fix the battery drain.
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First of all its really awesome to have Android running on Winmo.. Like all other users, im also experiencing the heavy battery drain while using android. One other i have noticed is the my fuze gets really heated up while using Android. Does anyone know why?
Lets hope the developers out there will be able to put together a decent xdandroid with gps and bluetooth anytime soon and will be able to fix the battery drain.
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I used to have insane heat issues when I first started running Android, but it's gotten much better for me.
Do you run wifi a lot? I know people were complaining about that heating up the device, which is kind of expected.
As far as the cause of the heat issue, I don't think anyone really *knows* why. There's a lot of issues, the main one being this is not exactly a "manufacturer-sanctioned" project - which means the devs working on this project are pretty much making educated guesses on everything. Power management has made great improvements, but still has some way to go.
I'm not sure if this project is ever going to become a "complete" replacement for WinMo, I sure hope that it one day is... but I'm not holding my breath.
With that said, I love the work the devs have done. I'm extremely impressed that the project has made it this far, so there really is no telling how far it can go or where it will end.
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There is really only one thing I have to say.....I'm not going to dwell on the fact PEOPLE cant get the camera etc.....to work. That really to me doesn't really matter.
The thing that does get me and bother me.....Is the fact that the geniuses that work at/for XDA are so worried about every else to work for xdandroid......EXCEPT the battery....lmao. Now I can deal with not being able to use the camera or GPS or whatever the case may be, but if I have 5 hours to enjoy it twice a day.......WTF....lol.....
Now I'm not trying to piss anybody off because every developer here works hard at what they do...props to them. But come one you should really prioritize the things you fix.
In short if you have 5 hours to use something that is half way done compared to 2 days to use on something halfway done......Who in this forum would be WAY more excited....lol....be honest.
This is just a suggestion....and I'm not trying to piss anybody off....but come on.....think about it.....people wouldnt want their camera to work for 5 mins and then have to charge their phone jus to make a phone call...lol.
Congrats to all the developers on all the good work they have did so far. I know its hard work to do esspecially for free. But really good job guys. I know it must be hard. Cause my thing is computers so I know phones are in a whole different
Yeah I'd have to agree that the battery drain is what is probably going to be a deal killer for me. The work to make all of the features (pretty much) function is impressive to say the least. Right now I'm running the 3/31 Eclair build and the super light ROM on my Fuze just to boot to linux, but it looks like I'll have to make sure to employ a full WinMo ROM with the Gen.Y Dual Boot. Not sure if there are issues with having functions enabled in the WinMo settings when trying to use Android, but hopefully it won't be too bad switching between the two. I know with my Rhodium it was impossible to really keep two fully functional builds up and running without having to boot into WinMo, disable a whole bunch of stuff, then finally run Haret.
Hopefully now that most of the features have been solved, power management come a bit more to the forefront, but you can't really expect great strides in short periods of time there. It's gonna take a lot of work and as mentioned earlier, power management and efficiency is some of the hardest stuff to crack. But seeing what these guys have already accomplished, I have faith. Until then, it's back to my NRG roms.
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There is really only one thing I have to say.....I'm not going to dwell on the fact PEOPLE cant get the camera etc.....to work. That really to me doesn't really matter.
The thing that does get me and bother me.....Is the fact that the geniuses that work at/for XDA are so worried about every else to work for xdandroid......EXCEPT the battery....lmao. Now I can deal with not being able to use the camera or GPS or whatever the case may be, but if I have 5 hours to enjoy it twice a day.......WTF....lol.....
Now I'm not trying to piss anybody off because every developer here works hard at what they do...props to them. But come one you should really prioritize the things you fix.
In short if you have 5 hours to use something that is half way done compared to 2 days to use on something halfway done......Who in this forum would be WAY more excited....lol....be honest.
This is just a suggestion....and I'm not trying to piss anybody off....but come on.....think about it.....people wouldnt want their camera to work for 5 mins and then have to charge their phone jus to make a phone call...lol.
Congrats to all the developers on all the good work they have did so far. I know its hard work to do esspecially for free. But really good job guys. I know it must be hard. Cause my thing is computers so I know phones are in a whole different
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Whether you're trying to or not, this kind of post really does piss me off. You have no idea what you're talking about if you say that nobody is trying to squeeze more battery life out of these devices.
Try sitting in the IRC channel for a day and watching what everybody in there talks about. Probably more than half of it will be about battery life. We all know it's not great and we all know that users will want a full day out of it. Knowing about it and fixing it are two different things and it's just not easy. There is barely any documentation available about the hardware because it's Windows Mobile, closed-source and for vendors only.
Unless you can sneak into Qualcomm's offices, steal their documentation*, and are willing to dive into the hardware and reverse-engineer the tons of software yourself, stop complaining about it. Constructive criticism is fine. Most of your post is pure complaining and doesn't help anybody or make anybody feel better about their work.
The developers thank you for using and testing this stuff, and in the future if you come across any new breakage, please don't hesitate to report it in the XDANDROID thread. But please do so in a friendly manner. None of the developers want anything to be broken.
* - This post is not meant to encourage anybody to actually plunder any official documentation.
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* - This post is not meant to encourage anybody to actually plunder any official documentation.
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But, should you work for Qualcomm or any of these companies... we wouldn't mind if some documentation did slip our way
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Whether you're trying to or not, this kind of post really does piss me off. You have no idea what you're talking about if you say that nobody is trying to squeeze more battery life out of these devices.
Try sitting in the IRC channel for a day and watching what everybody in there talks about. Probably more than half of it will be about battery life. We all know it's not great and we all know that users will want a full day out of it. Knowing about it and fixing it are two different things and it's just not easy. There is barely any documentation available about the hardware because it's Windows Mobile, closed-source and for vendors only.
Unless you can sneak into Qualcomm's offices, steal their documentation*, and are willing to dive into the hardware and reverse-engineer the tons of software yourself, stop complaining about it. Constructive criticism is fine. Most of your post is pure complaining and doesn't help anybody or make anybody feel better about their work.
The developers thank you for using and testing this stuff, and in the future if you come across any new breakage, please don't hesitate to report it in the XDANDROID thread. But please do so in a friendly manner. None of the developers want anything to be broken.
* - This post is not meant to encourage anybody to actually plunder any official documentation.
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I do not understand why people attack XDAndroid for battery issues when I am sitting at 40% without plugging my phone in for 11h 13m and 33s(looking at it right now). I mean, the situation with the battery is a hell of a lot more better than what Windows Mobile has to offer. I'd be down to a slightly lower percent by this point. And honestly, 12 hours and no need to plug in my phone? That's like a miracle with the RAPH110 :S. The battery itself is too weak to really handle one whole day to begin with. I guess people forget to account for that, too.
In my opinion, I think some people are doing away with BT now that it works and possibly running a ton of items in the background. Which of course, would hinder battery. The only things I have running are the messaging app, google talk, SMS Backup, and yeah. Never do I find myself on Wifi.. I'm always on data. So yeah. The heat issues in Android have gone down, too. Gosh.. it makes me mad that some people are so thoughtless >_<. The battery situation was an issue back in January and February. Not March/April. People seriously need to wake up. Power Management as it stands now can get you through a whole work day without needing to be on charge. I think we should focus more on ironing out bugs, cleaning up code, and adding more functionality. Sorry for the wall of text.. :S It just makes me so angry. Grr. Haha.
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I do not understand why people attack XDAndroid for battery issues when I am sitting at 40% without plugging my phone in for 11h 13m and 33s(looking at it right now). I mean, the situation with the battery is a hell of a lot more better than what Windows Mobile has to offer. I'd be down to a slightly lower percent by this point. And honestly, 12 hours and no need to plug in my phone? That's like a miracle with the RAPH110 :S. The battery itself is too weak to really handle one whole day to begin with. I guess people forget to account for that, too.
In my opinion, I think some people are doing away with BT now that it works and possibly running a ton of items in the background. Which of course, would hinder battery. The only things I have running are the messaging app, google talk, SMS Backup, and yeah. Never do I find myself on Wifi.. I'm always on data. So yeah. The heat issues in Android have gone down, too. Gosh.. it makes me mad that some people are so thoughtless >_<. The battery situation was an issue back in January and February. Not March/April. People seriously need to wake up. Power Management as it stands now can get you through a whole work day without needing to be on charge. I think we should focus more on ironing out bugs, cleaning up code, and adding more functionality. Sorry for the wall of text.. :S It just makes me so angry. Grr. Haha.
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I wish I was experiencing the same battery life that you are. Are you running the extended battery?
I'm not experiencing near the drain with my Energy ROM 23554 with sense 2.5, which I'm running with the Gen.Y dualboot app. Truth is, the Fuze's battery sucks balls to begin with, and my battery is getting a bit on the old side, so of course both of the OS's drain more than I'd like, but even with BT and WiFi on all day on the WinMo, and disabled in Android, the life is significantly longer on the WinMo side. Unfortunately, I spend a decent amount of time on the phone while I'm commuting or driving, and I refuse to do it without bluetooth, so I have to run WinMo when I'm in the car.
Yesterday with WiFi and BT turned off, and all tasks killed with the task killer, I lost 50% of my battery in standby over about 3.5 hours, but I really haven't let it sleep in Android longer than that....
Thing is, I can't really make an educated comparison between standby battery consumption on the Android side vs WinMo. With all the apps and "new" stuff (this is my first good Android build on any phone), I'm constantly using the phone when it's in Android mode. It almost never gets to see standby time LOL.... However, while under normal load, the Android build does seem to me to be quite a bit thirstier.... The fact is, it's amazing we're even at the point we're at now, and we should be thankful that the power consumption is ONLY at the level it's at now. It could be much worse. These guys have done a killer job.
Any sort of complaining right now is done out of ignorance for how difficult these kinds of issues are to solve. This isn't an 8th grade Home Ec project (although sewing that pillow in the shape of an inline skate was pretty hard too).
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I wish I was experiencing the same battery life that you are. Are you running the extended battery?
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Whichever battery comes with the Fuze, man . I just overclocked my phone to 633mhz today, so.. let's see how that goes.
I'm not experiencing near the drain with my Energy ROM 23554 with sense 2.5, which I'm running with the Gen.Y dualboot app. Truth is, the Fuze's battery sucks balls to begin with, and my battery is getting a bit on the old side, so of course both of the OS's drain more than I'd like, but even with BT and WiFi on all day on the WinMo, and disabled in Android, the life is significantly longer on the WinMo side. Unfortunately, I spend a decent amount of time on the phone while I'm commuting or driving, and I refuse to do it without bluetooth, so I have to run WinMo when I'm in the car.
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Huh.. I don't use the build with the Sense UI. Though, from my experience, Windows Mobile wiped my battery out in 8 hours of extensive texting, which is how I use my phone these days as well. :S.
Yesterday with WiFi and BT turned off, and all tasks killed with the task killer, I lost 50% of my battery in standby over about 3.5 hours, but I really haven't let it sleep in Android longer than that....
Thing is, I can't really make an educated comparison between standby battery consumption on the Android side vs WinMo. With all the apps and "new" stuff (this is my first good Android build on any phone), I'm constantly using the phone when it's in Android mode. It almost never gets to see standby time LOL.... However, while under normal load, the Android build does seem to me to be quite a bit thirstier.... The fact is, it's amazing we're even at the point we're at now, and we should be thankful that the power consumption is ONLY at the level it's at now. It could be much worse. These guys have done a killer job.
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I suggest lowering the brightness a bit and maybe the screen time out as well?
Any sort of complaining right now is done out of ignorance for how difficult these kinds of issues are to solve. This isn't an 8th grade Home Ec project (although sewing that pillow in the shape of an inline skate was pretty hard too).
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/me remembers cutting his finger while sewing his pillow in 7th grade
Haha, it's all good man. Maybe my battery is in better shape than yours. I would LOVE to have the extended battery, though.
I can never get the sense ui package to work! Either the touchscreen does not work or it stays at the boot screens and keeps going over and over with them!
Hello,
I have a SM-P600 with Android 4.4.2 (Note 10.1 2014 Edition) and would like to use my 3G USB Key (Huawei E1752) ; This 3G stick works fine on my old TF101.
I've tried to use it with my SM-P600 but infortunetely, it doesn't seem to work, even with the "PPP Widget" apps. PPP Widget displays the famous "No driver found" issue. Josh, "PPP Widget" developer, told me ther eis no way for the moment to make his apps working because there is no loading module (.ko file).
So I wonder if I could use a SM-P601 ROM (SM-P600 with 3G) on my SM-P600 to get the right modules or flashinf P601 ROM on P600 means "brick"?
Otherwise is there another way to make a 3G USB key working on this tablet?
Best regards.
Unfortunately...
Part of the problem is that a custom kernel module would need to be loaded with root, via insmod, and this would need to be coded and constantly reinjected on boot. As far as I know most of these fobs do not make their drivers open-source, specifically, although I could see a possibility in modifying one of the generic drivers from a typical linux full install (likely heavily modified). Even with a ko/kernel module, however, it's possible that the fob might not be able to get enough power from the tablet, itself; I'm not sure what the power draw is, but I have a few laying around; I could probably check that later on.
All of that said, while it may be possible to try to hack something up to work with OTG (for instance I know it CAN be done with external network devices in general (there have been successful drivers built for external Alfa wifi usb-based adapters, but that's wifi), my suspicion is that even if 1) and 2) here were fulfilled, there'd need to be support in other ways built into the ROM itself (I'm wondering if a bunch of the code for this could be pulled from the existent 605 ROM though, which is a consideration). I'm not sure if, for instance, even if JB/KK on the Galaxy Note 2014 were to be made to recognize it, you wouldn't have to disable other things to make it work; I know for the external USB wifi devices, a hack was needed to disable the onboard wifi within the device.
If I had the time or the money I'd certainly be willing to try to make something custom in general. That said, I'm wondering if linuxonandroid (search the forums, or check out linuxonandroid.org) might support it out of the box on the full system img's (given functionality, Kali's kernel probably has the best chance of any of the current available ones, but I don't really know; I'm grabbing the image later on tonight to see what happens if I try)...
In general, though, I suspect that even if this somehow partially works, there are going to be a lot of problems that only a real custom ROM would solve. Though frankly, I can't figure out why nobody has yet. Maybe, like me, people just don't have enough time, and the people who do have time and the skill don't really need a specialized ROM enough.
I'm still kicking myself in the butt for not getting the 3G version for development purposes, personally; hundreds of dollars more for what one could get in a USB fob for 20-30 bucks only sounded like a bad deal til I wanted the functionality; your best bet may be to get a crapper of an android phone for under a hundred dollars and just let it be a hotspot. It's what I finally just gave in to doing. The one upside is decent battery life; if the P600 could supply enough power for the USB 3G dongle to work, all USB-dongled devices, to the best of my knowledge, kill batteries faster than anything built-in would.
Good luck.
Yes... You're probabably right. Don't know.
And I could use an old phone to be a hotspot or something else like that, but it's not what I want :cyclops: Just one device for all will be better.
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Yes... You're probabably right. Don't know.
And I could use an old phone to be a hotspot or something else like that, but it's not what I want :cyclops: Just one device for all will be better.
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I'd really prefer the same thing, myself. I generally carry around a phone with my other stuff anyway and don't use it for much in the way of voice calls, so it's not too much of a burden. There's also hostapd in linux, or any of a number of mobile routers you can boot up in vbox, if you're carrying a laptop around at the same time; I really hate that our devices, and android in general, won't do 'ad-hoc' networks. I think that's one of my biggest gripes.
I suspect once Ubuntu touch is fully stable it'll be our best option; at a minimum I'm pretty sure I could easily crank out a driver for that. Android, I'm not sure. I'll let you know if I find the time to dig around with with droid though; I've been meaning to learn more about device driver support in Android anyway, now that it's finally pretty much mature.