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Yes, I understand the Official Froyo maybe more stable since it's more updated and complete than the leaked Froyo in custom ROM. But really is it worth the upgrade?? What I mean, when you upgrade to official froyo you will loose your root, and possibly a new updated radio that would maybe need "Paul" time to hack again. Without the root, it may not be possible to change to different ROM. I am pretty sure, once those official FROYO is out...there would be lots of different custom ROM MOD based on Official FROYO available?? Also looking at my past experience with HTC, once this official 2.2 update is available, they wont update very often anymore. It maybe better to stay with custom ROM since those cooks tend to get newer system kernel somewhere. I guess for me, even if the update is out, I will just wait out till someone make new custom ROM based on this official FROYO? cheer...that's just my opinion.
^^^what he said^^^^ +1
Most, if not all people will be waiting for a rooted version. I'll be amazed if people unroot just to get it, when it'll be modded in no time. The test release by udk is a prime example.
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kuailan said:
Yes, I understand the Official Froyo maybe more stable since it's more updated and complete than the leaked Froyo in custom ROM. But really is it worth the upgrade?? What I mean, when you upgrade to official froyo you will loose your root, and possibly a new updated radio that would maybe need "Paul" time to hack again. Without the root, it may not be possible to change to different ROM. I am pretty sure, once those official FROYO is out...there would be lots of different custom ROM MOD based on Official FROYO available?? Also looking at my past experience with HTC, once this official 2.2 update is available, they wont update very often anymore. It maybe better to stay with custom ROM since those cooks tend to get newer system kernel somewhere. I guess for me, even if the update is out, I will just wait out till someone make new custom ROM based on this official FROYO? cheer...that's just my opinion.
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Agree with the original poster's sentiments. Also worth considering that this could very easily be the last major update for HTC to roll out to the Desire. There's already a newer generation of devices out and HTC have no incentive to keep us at the leading edge. I got a clear taste of this with my previous HTC Magic - dropped by Vodafone like an unwanted toy once they started selling newer devices. Thankfully it was completely unlocked and I could flash all the custom ROMs on that which I liked but since it was a 32B if I had gone official and somehow ended up there I'd have been left behind at 1.6.
I "upgraded" from Hero (which I liked pretty much) to Desire about a month ago, and it's still unrooted. I rooted and installed a custom ROM to my Hero (a couple of weeks before the official 2.1 came out) and I was far from impressed. It became slow and laggy, the available RAM was way below than on the original 1.5 etc. I assume that I should've try other ROMs as well but at a certain point I just got tired so I switched to Desire. I love the way it is. It's fast, responsive and I enjoy all the possibilities of the hardware. I can even impress my iPhone friends with a little smile on my face.
The guy I sold my Hero just updated to the official OTA 2.1 a couple of days ago. Guess what? It's flying! I wouldn't believe it if I couldn't see with my own eyes.
I love what you guys do here. I really do. I'm amazed and impressed with all the work and effort you put in these custom ROMs. I'm reading all the interesting threads, tips, tricks etc. It's good to have a place like this board. It's good to have full control over our handsets, install software others can't. But I kinda like the way HTC puts together and tests its ROMs even if it's bloated with stuff I'll never use. I'll check for updates every hour this weekend Cos I'm eager to try all the new features. Maybe later I'll switch to a custom ROM which is based on the official, but for now I'm focusing on the "Check now" button
even though it hurts to say so.. but I agree
kuailan said:
Yes, I understand the Official Froyo maybe more stable since it's more updated and complete than the leaked Froyo in custom ROM. But really is it worth the upgrade?? What I mean, when you upgrade to official froyo you will loose your root, and possibly a new updated radio that would maybe need "Paul" time to hack again. Without the root, it may not be possible to change to different ROM. I am pretty sure, once those official FROYO is out...there would be lots of different custom ROM MOD based on Official FROYO available?? Also looking at my past experience with HTC, once this official 2.2 update is available, they wont update very often anymore. It maybe better to stay with custom ROM since those cooks tend to get newer system kernel somewhere. I guess for me, even if the update is out, I will just wait out till someone make new custom ROM based on this official FROYO? cheer...that's just my opinion.
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Why would it not possible to root back after unrooting? Since rooting is now riskfree...
What I would like is a standard final realease, rooted and A2SD+'ed, thats it, no other mod`s.
as long as froyo doesn't modify the hboot to a new version, you can always rollback and unroot.
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Why would it not possible to root back after unrooting? Since rooting is now riskfree...
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Because the leaked froyo came with a new HBOOT (which was removed by devs here) which at the moment is unrootable. And may be unrootable forever!
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coercri said:
What I would like is a standard final realease, rooted and A2SD+'ed, thats it, no other mod`s.
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coercri said:
What I would like is a standard final realease, rooted and A2SD+'ed, thats it, no other mod`s.
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Agreed, I finally took the plunge to root and A2SD, the latter of which is amazing Is it really too much to ask for, just to install apps on the SD?
I will wait for Froyo Official-based custom ROMS!
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Me too
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That would be perfect..! And wake phone with the select button.
I was near to unroot and and go back to the normal rom. But now not anymore after what u guys said. Thx.
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So if someone buy a HTC desire after the update he may not be able to get root ever. Lucky us!
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I highly doubt no one is ever going to be able to root if they officially upgrade to 2.2. It will happen, it might just take a while that's all for Paul and co. to do it..
I think that all of you that says that the new Hboot could not be hacked, underestimate many very very skilled peoples knowledge. Just because it isn't cracked now, it not equal to *incrackable*.
I am very certain that it will be cracked or something else and then root access can be achieved again.
hello all. this is my first time ever setting foot in the incredible threads. im currently a roooted eris user, but recently upgrading to the incredible due to eris's limitations. i should be recieving one in the mail today hopefully. i have a few quick questions for you guys and im hoping i can get answers today or at least before i start rooting my phone.
1) can titanium backup restore all my apps + data and configurations, that were backed up on my eris without any issues?
2) which rom is the best so far? i was enjoying cm 6.0 port on my eris but i prefer sense now because im not much of a fan of stock vanilla look.
I do enjoy the 360 degree rotation and was wondering if anyone has created a sense based rom with that particular feature or does cyanogen have a monopoly on that one?
3) does metamorph work on the incredible? and are these roms available now currently themable
4) which is the most preferred kernel? ive read so far about hydra kernel and kingx, what are the advantages each have over the other
5) in case of a necessary warranty exchange attempt, is there an ota based ruu rom available to restore the original bootloader? in other words is it unrootable as of yet? (eris users are currently able to do this.)
Oh and i forgot to ask.
6) is the 2.2 ota released for upgrade or are the 2.2 roms available right now leaks?
iflip said:
hello all. this is my first time ever setting foot in the incredible threads. im currently a roooted eris user, but recently upgrading to the incredible due to eris's limitations. i should be recieving one in the mail today hopefully. i have a few quick questions for you guys and im hoping i can get answers today or at least before i start rooting my phone.
1) can titanium backup restore all my apps + data and configurations, that were backed up on my eris without any issues?
2) which rom is the best so far? i was enjoying cm 6.0 port on my eris but i prefer sense now because im not much of a fan of stock vanilla look.
I do enjoy the 360 degree rotation and was wondering if anyone has created a sense based rom with that particular feature or does cyanogen have a monopoly on that one?
3) does metamorph work on the incredible? and are these roms available now currently themable
4) which is the most preferred kernel? ive read so far about hydra kernel and kingx, what are the advantages each have over the other
5) in case of a necessary warranty exchange attempt, is there an ota based ruu rom available to restore the original bootloader? in other words is it unrootable as of yet? (eris users are currently able to do this.)
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1) Most likely not, while just restoring apps should work, apps+data may bring about problems because they are different phones. don't quote me tho. (My advice make a nandroid before you restore apps+data then if you get FC'cs you'll see something went wrong and can go back)
2) The most popular ROM on this forum seems to be Skyraider, it has both a sense and vanilla version. There are 3 more fairly popular ones on ROM manager, I advise you to test them all out they all have their own flair.
3) Yes, check out the theme's section for more info on that.
4) Both kernels work well, it's all a matter of what you're happiest with. I'm not sure of the specific differences of both tho, so maybe someone else can answer that.
5) If you use Unrevoked3 you can RUU back to stock yes. If you use Unrevoked forever (which is S-off) there is currently no way to get S-on. So you would just have to hope if you turned it in for warranty that the guy didnt check the bootloader.
6) Most 2.2 ROM's right now are based off a leak released here on 8/1/2010. There is no official 2.2 release for the Incredible.
*Insert the usual plug for posting in Development instead of General/Q&A*
Welcome to the Incredible Forums tho!
-Flawless
hi guys,
i am planning to buy a motorla defy, and i have some background on rooting and installing custom roms with my current samsung spica on cm6.1. but with the locked bootloader and stuff, it seems the method for modding and installing custom roms for the defy is not as straight forward (rooting should be easy). i have read through the wikis and guides and mostly understand everything, but i have questions that i want to ask still. i am about 90% sure about everything i read but i just want confirmation
1) clockwork recovery is the only custom recovery available for the defy? also it's not the official clockwork recovery right? so i can't install the app from the market?
2) does the locked bootloader mean we can't change the kernel? we can install custom roms through nandriod backup but we still have to stick to stock kernels?
3) is there an official froyo stock rom already out? or are they just froyo leaks? also, are all the froyo custom roms based on stock froyo base?
4) what does vsel mean? i know its an important setting for overclocking/underclocking the defy
5) what does sbf mean? is it similar to radio?
6) rdslite is like ruu (flashing software/tool) that comes with the defy?
thanks in advance. i'm really looking forward to this phone given the specs and the price. i just want to know how easy it is to mod it
Hello I have a Defy already and I played with the tools you say so I can try answering some of your questions. Please note that I am no expert and I might not be correct on all.
Q. clockwork recovery is the only custom recovery available for the defy? also it's not the official clockwork recovery right? so i can't install the app from the market?
A. An app very similar to ClockWork recovery exists for defy. It is till now the only one I know. I'm not sure it's on market however is available in this forum. Note that this app can not replace stock recovery.
Q. does the locked bootloader mean we can't change the kernel? we can install custom roms through nandriod backup but we still have to stick to stock kernels?
A. I think you are right. We are limited to stock kernels.
Q. is there an official froyo stock rom already out? or are they just froyo leaks? also, are all the froyo custom roms based on stock froyo base?
A. The only official froyo I know it is the china version. However the recently leaks of some development stage froyos for US TMobile and UK are pretty stable and ok. There are custom Roms (Nandroid backups in fact) based on these leaks but not only. There are older custom roms based on official Eclair releases.
Q. what does vsel mean? i know its an important setting for overclocking/underclocking the defy
A. VSel comes from Voltage Select. There are ways (even an app) to set the voltage for the processor when it is in any of the states (300 / 600 / 800 MHz by default).
Q. what does sbf mean? is it similar to radio?
A. Have no ideea what sbf stands for but it's a format for things that can be flashed via RSDLite. I have a feeling that RUU updates from motorola are in fact an exe + a sbf file. There are lots lots of things available as sbf files: Full firmwares, Bootloaders, some fixes.
Q. rdslite is like ruu (flashing software/tool) that comes with the defy?
A. I think so. I think RSD Lite is a tool made available by motorola for the developers and stuff.
I recommend this phone. I came to this one from HTC Legend that had all the thingies unlocked (S-Off etc) but I do not miss them. Indeed without a custom bootloade chances to see Cyanogen Mod or others are indeed low. I hope I was able to help a little.
thanks a lot mcm_xyz, you confirmed a lot of stuff for me. from just what i read it looks like defy would be the perfect phone if not for the locked bootloader... can you list what is possible and impossible with the locked bootloader? does it mean we have to wait for official support/release either from motorola or cyanogen or other devs to get a hold of different types of roms?
terenceleechan said:
thanks a lot mcm_xyz, you confirmed a lot of stuff for me. from just what i read it looks like defy would be the perfect phone if not for the locked bootloader... can you list what is possible and impossible with the locked bootloader? does it mean we have to wait for official support/release either from motorola or cyanogen or other devs to get a hold of different types of roms?
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I think this is how it's done by the majority of the cooks nowadays. They get an existing working rom and they build aroud the existing kernel in there. However I think Cyanogen is way higher and they build everything themselves. I think they have a core and different branches for different types of phones that include mainly hardware specifics of the phone. But they are based on their custom kernel so no Cyanogen for us at least yet. but do not worry. steps are beeing done towards an unlocked bootloader on Motorola phones.
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I think this is how it's done by the majority of the cooks nowadays. They get an existing working rom and they build aroud the existing kernel in there. However I think Cyanogen is way higher and they build everything themselves. I think they have a core and different branches for different types of phones that include mainly hardware specifics of the phone. But they are based on their custom kernel so no Cyanogen for us at least yet. but do not worry. steps are beeing done towards an unlocked bootloader on Motorola phones.
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thanks for your input dude!
Well my brother owns a defy, and he's fed up of 2.1. He is quite far away from where i live so he wants me to tell him the steps about getting gingerbread on defy although he's not in these kind of things so much. My question is, i own a zte blade and a samsung galaxy s. I can simply flash CM7 zip (clockworkmod) and i get 2.3 directly from 2.1...
So why for defy you have to flash 2.2 then flash 2.3 zip...i mean you either have to make a lot of backups/work to actually have an option to get back to 2.1 or you just loose 2.1 forever...isn't there a way to simply flash CM7 zip on 2.1 rom
you can't do that, first 2.2 after GB, if you need more information, i think you can read the section develepment of defy...
Hey all,
Rumour is that handsets with 2.3.3+ will eventually go to ICS.
Do you think this will include Defy+ ?
Kind regards
Only one Word: Motorola
It is very likely but it will b a long time before that happens
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Well yes, the main issue could be *Motorola*
Even the new RAZR is looking at Q1 2012 for ICS.
Well right now the Defy i have now with Walter's Defy+ stock rom will have to suffice
It is a possibility unless there is a Defy++ in the making.
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does it really matter whether there will be an official or not? the cyanogen team will start working on cm9 (ics) as soon as the source is available, which will probably happen in a few weeks. and since the defy is officially supported (and all devices capable of running gb will be able to run ics), we will get official cm9. the question is, with which kernel, because as long as the bootloader is locked, we will have to stick to froyo kernel. no idea how that effects things... :/
sent from my cm7.1 defy...
Motorola RAZR will be the
first phone to incorporate Motorola’s
new bootloader solution. http://ausdroid.net/2011/10/21/motorola-razr-to-be-unlockable/
"Motorola. said they
were working on a bootloader solution that would allow
the unlocking and re-locking of the bootloaders on their
phones later this year. "
So there's still hope for defy/+'s bootloader .
Well, unlocking the Bootloader.
But I think the Defy won't have ICS, due to the old kernel.
just thinking.
As far as trusting Motorola for updates, I wouldn't start getting my hopes up. You'll notice the original Defy is still at 2.2 and the Defy+ hasn't got any updates at all.
Our only hope is CyanogenMod and the likes, and the Defy isn't on the high-priority list of any of them. By the time, and if, it comes out at all, we'd all probably have fancy new phones anyways.
Defy original came with 2.1 and got one upgrade to 2.2. It is logical that defy+ get one upgrade too...
ICS will work with froyo kernel 99% sure. Difference between froyo and ginger kernel is security fixes, no major updates, new kernel 3.0.1 is the high-end Linux, if Motorola unlocked boot-loaders it's a big plus about using last kernel innovations.
i hope motorola releases the official gingerbread for our defy because isn't acceptable that we are at froyo yet
^ Motorola confirm that 2.2 is latest update for Defy and Kernel of Defy+ is the same as Froyo 2.6.32, update is not needed. Google was make equip for updating all phones (when is possible) to run 4.0, but was a fake, maybe ?!
we're waiting cyanogenmod team