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[Q] What do you prefer Sense or None Sense?

Just wondering what people's opinions are with regards to their selected ROMS - Please Vote and state why

Sense because the user interface is so much better than non sense roms in my personal opinion. It seems to give a much better look and feel to the usage of the phone.
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Couldn't Vote.
Usability or Beauty.
Sense has things like teh beauty, the camera app, Rosie (which i never use), friend-stream, all of which are pretty great, and amazing usability.
while Android has the openness, the speed and stability, and allows you to do more things, but things can get ugly, like the borders of contact pictures, the camera app, and OJ death while it was an issue.
I find myself switching from OD to AuraxTSense and back about 3 times daily, because the camera can't take the pictures as sharp as I like, or because the sense is very bloaty and takes up half the screen on things like messages (reasons for today, tomorrow i think it's the theming for OD vs SYSRW in AuraxTSense)
The pros and cons of each are what is going to kill me. Can't wait for the new sense, and have realised I'm on a 16month plan so no instant Desire HD for me :'(

Which?
Hi
For me it's with Sense. The integration into Android is getting better since the early Windows Mobile days.
As long as Sense + the phone's operating system doesn't end up becoming so bloated that it brings about lag and problems (in an underpowered phone) then it will continue to be useful - in my eyes.
Cheers
Aussie

Non sense makes sense for me

i began with the nexus one using cyanogen and it was VERY fast. Sense however, seems to give it that certain polish giving a premium feel. Also, i have yet to see a more fluid flipping between homescreens than sense.

I'm on no sense now because many sense apps I don't use and no sense feels sharper.
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i'm staying with Sense cuz of camera and dialer app. Those 2 are the only reason. if CM got them i would gladly switch to it immediately.
I tried CM and OD and i love them both, cuz the devs and designers are using them a lot. and i want the REVOLution theme on my Sense-Desire!!! and they are on CM only~~

Sense. If I didn't want the Sense UI, why would I have purchased a HTC Desire? I could have gone for a Nexus One or... the Galaxy S

No sense for me cause it takes up extra ram and I don't like the black bubble browser menu and complexity of the UI as well as the lack of 3D effect like the launcher2 has. The simplicity of the AOSP nexus one like ROMS help work flow for me. After the new Desire HD rom is ported and provides better functionality, I may consider swapping

Again why is this in the dev section? And not general?
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Am I the only one using sence because of speed? I love launcherpro, but on every vanilla ROM I have been using, launcherpro has been extremely laggy. Even if all benchmarks tell me the phone is faster, it still feels terribly slow. MoDaCo to me feels so much quicker.
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Sense is good in a sense that it makes the whole android UI more easy to use, more manageable, and makes the whole thing more beautiful. People always tend to put different themes on their phone to make it as their own custom look and feel. So for me I like sense... either that or install launcher and download your own preferred theme right? I guess it all goes down to personal preference.

sense purly because I could not live without HTC Sense widgets
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mikecoffee said:
Again why is this in the dev section? And not general?
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Ahem! The rules are, you need to vote and leave a comment please.
And this is in the Desire Q&A Section since it is a question.

Without Sense ... sense is slow
For easy klicking and social networks and so on its fine perhaps ... but i never need it ... so no need for sense. The Clock with weather is fine ... so i use Fency. For Calendar ... Purewidgets ... 3 Widgets replace the hole sense for me so enjoy the speed.

philJ said:
Without Sense ... sense is slow
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I have two Desires which I regularly swap between - one is running CyanogenMod and the other MoDaCo's MCR8 Sense ROM.
I'm sure that in benchmarks CyanogendMod is "faster" but in my experience, in real world usage, there is no difference.
Actually, there is one difference - CyanogenMod is way *slower* when copying files to/from the devices in USB storage mode.
Regards,
Dave

As much as I love Sense UI, I'd rather have it optional, with a possibility to add/remove the components.

MrUsta said:
As much as I love Sense UI, I'd rather have it optional, with a possibility to add/remove the components.
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Ditto. Thus I ditched Sense altogether. I didn't use more than half of the components of sense. most frustrating is that it doesn't completely replace the base process, just runs on top of it consuming resources.

I posted this on the CM thread but i might as well ask you guys.
A question to a sense user switching to CM/Stock rom, how do you live without htc camera and htc phone dialer?
i mean for those that bought their Desire or starting to use their phone with sense without knowing a vanilla UI exist(like me). i just felt somethings missing without the htc camera and dialer. I've flashed OD/CM a couple of times but returning back to Sense cuz of that. Otherwise i would stay on CM, it is such a good rom.
I'm buying a Cybershot Digital camera but thats not so soon so i would like to have a decent camera app before that. i mean, the resolution is not wide as htc camera when taking pictures. and if i wanted a wide one i need to lower the resolution to 4.5mp? or is there any trick to that? cuz everytime i capture a pic, i'll get this right and left bar beside the pic using the 5mp resolution.
as for dialer, dialer one doesnt feel quite right to replace the htc dialer, though i may accept it sooner or later if i got my digital camera after this.
Just wanted an opinion for a Sense starter, not from pure stock rom user cuz you know vanilla UI from the start so you dont know how i feel. but you may post your opinion as well.
last question, can someone give a thought bout the 720p video recording? is it good, or better than sense's 720p?
and does this support A2SD+,i mean in this CM6, cuz CM6 RC2 doesnt have this yet and i'm on OD cuz of this actually. i want A2SD+ cuz i cant live without it...
I'm on Modaco R8 self baked ROM btw.
Thanks!

[Q] Gingerbread with HTC Sense?

Hello!
I'm currently running Oxygen's excellent Gingerbread 2.0 RC6 on my Desire. It's been fine, although I notice many of the visual enhancements don't currently work - like screen on/off animation etc. I also get the Oxygen loading screen hang frequently.
Now, I can put up with these things IF there is a way to get the Sense UI onto the device while running Gingerbread... I have no idea if this is even possible or not!
Can someone please advise? Is there a launcher ROM that can be flashed over the top of Gingerbread that will give me the Sense UI goodies while giving me the other benefits of GB? Or am I limited to waiting for a modified Sense-based 2.3 ROM rather than an AOSP one such as Oxygen?
Appreciate you advice and input
Jeffois

jeffois said:
Hello!
I'm currently running Oxygen's excellent Ginger Villain RC6 on my Desire. It's been fine, although I notice many of the visual enhancements don't currently work - like screen on/off animation etc. I also get the Oxygen loading screen hang frequently.
Now, I can put up with these things IF there is a way to get the Sense UI onto the device while running Gingerbread... I have no idea if this is even possible or not!
Can someone please advise? Is there a launcher ROM that can be flashed over the top of GingerVillain that will give me the Sense UI goodies while giving me the other benefits of GB? Or am I limited to waiting for a modified Sense-based 2.3 ROM rather than an AOSP one such as Oxygen?
Appreciate you advice and input
Jeffois
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until htc release a rom with gingerbread, the devs have no source code .....

AndroHero said:
until htc release a rom with gingerbread, the devs have no source code .....
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I sort of expected that would be the answer...
...but BOO HISS anyways
Thanks for your reply!

Totally agree. I had the updated oxygen ROM and missed some of the sense features. COME ON HTC give us gingerbread with sense 2!!

Get the full version of launcherpro which has sense style Widgets for your homescreens. Then get the sense theme for the launcherbar at the bottom of the screen. Looks exactly the same without having to flash a sense rom.
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Will HTC upgrade to Gingerbread on desire?

portis24 said:
Will HTC upgrade to Gingerbread on desire?
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Yes, probably. There are several threads about that in Desire General section

portis24 said:
Will HTC upgrade to Gingerbread on desire?
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They said so, but is is reasonable to assume that DesireHD and Desire Z get it first, then we are next.
That however could take a lot of time, I read something about September at the earliest.
Someone correct me please if I'm wrong.

Desire Gingerbread is coming around June time. No specifics as to whether DesireHD and Z get it first but it says they are all on the same schedule as the Incredible S whereas Desire S and Wildfire S will ship with 2.3
source: engadget.com/2011/02/27/htc-incredible-s-desire-hd-desire-z-and-original-desire-will-a/

That could take a while, which is why some of us are installing Gingerbread Roms in the 1st place

Probably will especially if you have to wait for your relevant carrier to tinker with it first. That's why I flashed custom. May go to official HTC rom if/ when this is leaked just depends how slow it is compared to CM 7 unless of course it has sense 2 (crosses fingers)

I'm running CM7 RC1 with Honeycomb Alva v4 theme with ADW EX and I'm loving the look of honeycomb. I hope the brilliant devs that works hard for our free roms can work their magic on the SDK. I wish I could do it, I'm going to start reading up on it nut I never have time so I'd be a cack dev lol. but I must say I'm looking forward to seeing sense on a gingerbread rom!!!
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^The same ROM has a Sense port theme using the same method as you installed the Honeycomb theme
It doesn't have the Sense widgets and functionality though, quite obviously.
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Sorry I should have said the Widgets... I love the clock with the animations that's what I'm looking forward to.....could be a long anticipated wait lol.!
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HTC Desire owners to wait long for Gingerbread 2.3

Hi Folks,
May be you know already but here you go:
"HTC Desire owners face long wait for Android 2.3 Gingerbread update"
Read more:
crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/htc-desire-owners-face-long-wait-for-android-23-gingerbread-update-50002752
Edit: I did search forum before post but couldn't find it hence posted. No offence, ignore it if you find it not interesting.

Old news. Do a forum search before posting. Thanks.

Indeed old news. Get a 2.3 custom rom then you don't have to wait

I'm using gingervillian and its fast and stable. Not bad on battery with the right kernel

Imagine 2.3 with SENSE. Wow.
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mayad79 said:
Imagine 2.3 with SENSE. Wow.
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Yes, Wow
I've had my share of Sense and I'm seriously considering another brand just to avoid Sense (although Moto Blur and Samsung's skin isn't really better)

Please define how sense tired you? I hope that aren't just widgets?
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- ROM takes up valuable internal space
- more RAM usage
- launcher is a joke (3 shortcuts, one of them is to put on shortcuts and widgets? yeah like i do that every 5 minutes)
When you see that the most presented features about newly announced HTC phones are "notification bar power control shortcuts" and "drawer that scrolls per sections", then you know they're just fiddling about. So Sense, please **** off.

I thought they said that they'll have gingerbread out for the desire around Q2 of this year?

vjmcdonnell said:
I'm using gingervillian and its fast and stable. Not bad on battery with the right kernel
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do inform me how to do this. would like to have a change.

erklat said:
Please define how sense tired you? I hope that aren't just widgets?
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Sense (in my opinion) is just bloatware. The widgets are a nice extra but the overall graphic make-over is unneeded in the Android revisions currently rolling out.
It may have been needed in 2.1 and 2.2 but 2.3 really doesn't need a new graphic layer.
The social network integration into the contact system is nice but nobody uses it the way HTC intended it to be used (I.e. someone calls you, you check the social network status and have a topic to talk about).
Facebook as a standalone app can also add pictures to your contacts.
I'm terrified about what HTC is going to do to Honeycomb! Imagine them throwing a Sense layer on top and adding that ridiculous pen input.

You don't have to use the pen with the tablet if you don't want (that's how I understand it anyway)
In some instances it would probably be good - i.e. drawing pics in paint or whatever - or for handwriting notes - I find it frustrating on notes on my desire at the moment, where on my Touch HD it was easy with the stylus!
It's nice to have the option anyway...

Would be nice to get the official update asap. I tried the gingervillian rom but it got stuck on the villianrom boot screen

Quit *****ing about Sense and buy an Nexus S! HTC has Sense and I love it! I'm really looking forward to get Gingerbread with Sense, but I really hope they skip the 2.3 and go straight to 2.4 Gingerbread

Agreed! , I have only had the desire for a week now and i love the sense ui. Just wanted to have a look at gingerbread

"Great news for HTC Desire family owners – it has been reported HTC will be releasing the Gingerbread (Android 2.3/2.4) update for the HTC Desire family after the new Desire S goes on sale.
Wow it hasn’t been officially announced by HTC, the information was apparently coerced out of an HTC rep at the Mobile World Congress this week. While it’s no confirmation, HTC has been proven to be pretty reliable with their Android updates and there should be no reason to why it won’t stay that way. The HTC Desire family includes the HTC Desire, HTC Desire HD and HTC Desire Z (hopefully this means the G2 as well).
With no other phones announced to have official Gingerbread updates and the Nexus S remains the only phone to have Gingerbread, it’s about time some phones started getting Android 2.3/2.4. At least Desire users aren’t still stuck on 2.1."
Not what Ubergizmo is saying. Keep the faith, people - HTC have been good to us.

eddiemerckx said:
Sense (in my opinion) is just bloatware.
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I use Sense roms only. No one forces you to use sense launcher if you don't like it, every sense rom has default Android launcher too. I tried a few aosp roms until I found out that sense doesn't have to be used, but you still get the rest of the great stuff like name prediction when making a call, or a slight vibrate when call connected for example. Only thing that sucks is that we are stuck with 2.6.32 kernels at this moment.
About memory consumption they are equal or sense even more efficient, and the same goes for speed. You don't get aosp related bugs either.
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Basically not 1 plus over AOSP (T9 dialing apps on market, vibrate when connected is in CM), EXCEPT you get more internal space with using a AOSP ROM. Now extra 200MB+ over a crappy interface ? Anytime.

Is there an ASOP rom that has face detection or touch to focus though? I am a heavy user of the camera and video and so far have been pretty disappointed at the lack of those in the 2.3 roms.
I would say that the email and text widgets are better thought out than the standard 2.3, or market ones.

thed0g said:
Now extra 200MB+ over a crappy interface ? Anytime.
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Heard about a2sd+ scripts? Data2sd?
Internal memory size is more than irrelevant with either of those. And the epickest are those who resort to changing partition tables to get moar internal space. Kudos.
Hope you didn't do that
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[Q] CyanogenMod vs Sense?

Which one to go for? Do you think sense is a bit of a bloatware and slows the system down?
Thoughts and opinions appreciated?

Ford or Honda?
what do you do with your phone? Do you want/need social networking that is always there? ......could go on and on.
This is a stupid question, read more

Hi dhiral.v
dhiral.v said:
Which one to go for? Do you think sense is a bit of a bloatware and slows the system down?
Thoughts and opinions appreciated?
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It does seem to have a lot of bloat, but I could not say it slow the system down.
But the Sense Rom approx 240MB, where as CM7 Nightly is approx 80MB, IMO it a No Brainer.
Take Care
TheQuest

It isn’t a good question, because it is preference related. You should try both and decide by yourself.
Imo, sense has good things (like camera app, phone app, browser "windows", keyboad) but most part is pure bloatware. So i decided for cm and i'm not able to back sense again.
But of course, it's only my opinion. A LOT people would say i'm wrong...
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try it for your self mate
ive been a sense user and a cyanogen user
but now im sticking to cyanogen
it really depends on your taste mate

Like the guys above said you should give each one a try before coming to a opinion
.I for one like the social aspect of sense but then DSP in CM is to die for .

Sense roms have better intergration with Facebook and the like. Not a problem for my self as I don't use social networks, but was for my missus. While sense roms are nice they do feel bloated compared to cm and they lack the configurations options of cm too.
Depends on what you want really, try both and see how you go. Nandroid and titanium backup are your friends.

For what it's worth, I always end up going back to a SENSE rom...

tinono said:
For what it's worth, I always end up going back to a SENSE rom...
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And i always end up back on no sense, CyanogenMod i like Mikes work, with his Revolution HD ROM/s, so check them out from time to time as well
Once you see how easy installing and backing up an installation is you will be a ROM addicts in no time
And then you can start playing with themes. there is some good work here done with that as well.

Used cm7 for a week or so. I kept going back to sense roms, bot for the social integration, but because to me, it simply looks much better, and the layout is nice, and the HTC apps are much better for me, than their aosp counterparts.
Gallery, camera, browser, keyboard, messaging, connected media, the themes themselves for me are better functioning, and better looking than the cm7 counterparts.
Sense widgets are nicely made also.
You should try them both and see which you like, it's all preference.
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You have to give them a try!
I like changing ROM often: up to now I like and use a lot the Spike_M ROM that is a lighter version of cynogenmod, fast and smooth. It needs a few to be totally gingerbread.
Otherwise I use Android Revolution 3.2 that is a stock ROM but incredibly fast, stable and long lastng battery (maybe is the best all over). I've to say I like many Sense widget and do not totally dislike the beautifull integration with socials and messaging. HTC is born with touchflo and now with sense. For sure the stock rom gives a sense to the phone itself.
In a few word?
Try....

Ah a very nice question I wanted to ask myself... I started with the xperia x10 and am now with the HTC HD2 forum... there are so many roms available for my HD2
Okay comparing the two ... I would say the integration, look and overall feel of having a sense rom makes me actually like my phone...
Cons.... battery life could be better... I get about 9hrs daily with heavy usage on mornings and evenings before having to charge again

My experience with sense roms are good, but every now and again I get slowdowns. Does this happen with cyanogenMod?

CM is awesome and would be running it on my inspire if the stock htc music player worked on it lol. Sucks cause that's the only reason I just can't make the move lol I love the srs sound on my inspire . So like others have said it ends up coming down to what ya like.
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i vote for cyanogenmod

ull only like a few appls on sense like the camera app,social network site integration and the HTC KEYBOARD with arrows other then that its all crap.
that's what CM lacks atm. stock camera is not that good and keyboard aint that good.
Camera app of sense + keyboard of sense +FB htc sense+ CM = perfection

CoreDroid is also woth try...

if u wan froyo go for Android Revolution HD 3.3
n if u want gingerbread try CoreDroid HD GB 2.3.3 V4.8

Having a lot of choice is a much better problem than having no choice
Anyways, I'm a big fan of SENSE. I love the way they have integrated all the social media. Especially for me, since I don't visit facebook often. So I love the fact that updates are pushed to me.
Anycase, if you are into a lot of social hubs, then Sense People app is worth its salt. I also like the level of polish Sense brings on top of android.
However, if you are a purist ( as many over here are ), go with cynogen.
However, I believe the Cynogen Mod's battery life is not as good as some of the "SENSE" based ROMS, like Leedroid or revo series (Correct me if I'm wrong!).

allajunaki said:
However, I believe the Cynogen Mod's battery life is not as good as some of the "SENSE" based ROMS, like Leedroid or revo series (Correct me if I'm wrong!).
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yes found the sense roms are easier on the battery so far, but CyanMod have improved in this section a fair way in recent months

[Q] CM7 vrs Stock on the DHD

Hey guys,
So I'm getting a little impatient with waiting for Gingerbread on my DHD and was thinking of going to CM7 now that its Final. Previous Custom ROMS so far havn't really done it for me. I kinda like the reliablility and battery life etc of the stock build.
Has anyone tried CM7 on the DHD who could maybe give a little account of how it worked out (battery life etc)?
Thanks

jamieboy88 said:
Hey guys,
So I'm getting a little impatient with waiting for Gingerbread on my DHD and was thinking of going to CM7 now that its Final. Previous Custom ROMS so far havn't really done it for me. I kinda like the reliablility and battery life etc of the stock build.
Has anyone tried CM7 on the DHD who could maybe give a little account of how it worked out (battery life etc)?
Thanks
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Battery life is superb on CM7 and much better than the Gingerbread Sense ROMs. I take it you have tried the latest Desire S builds? I recommend RCMix if you haven't. If you are wanting the pure Google experience though, you have nothing to fear with CM7.
Regards.

Stock rom offers a better connection between all the social networks, better stock widgets and htc sense camera app. hmmm i did have CM7 for while and i loved it but its just the camera app that did it for me, i guess im just too used to HTC sense !

I had no problems with CM7 either. Very nice rom. Camera App is nice. Audio is great. Having or not having HTC Sense is a big decision maker. Once or if you get bored of Sense, then you will really enjoy a rom like CM7 for all its other differences. If it could have the Sense Weather animations and clock, Touch Input keyboard and HTC Reader 2.0 - it could be my ideal rom at this point.
Although I'm a relative noob with trying the many Android roms.

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I had no problems with CM7 either. Very nice rom. Camera App is nice. Audio is great. Having or not having HTC Sense is a big decision maker. Once or if you get bored of Sense, then you will really enjoy a rom like CM7 for all its other differences. If it could have the Sense Weather animations and clock, Touch Input keyboard and HTC Reader 2.0 - it could be my ideal rom at this point.
Although I'm a relative noob with trying the many Android roms.
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The clock, albeit not with the flip function, can be found all over the internet. Search for Fancy Widget (Sense Clock) to find it. If you can't and desperately need it, I will pm you the apk upon request, although will have to dig it out first. Keyboard? I'm confused as to exactly what you mean, but you can use the HTC keyboard on CM7 as well as numerous other replacements. HTC Reader??!! No way! Aldiko and Laputa both make HTC's attempt look poor. Not to mention Kindle.
Personally, the slight nuances of pure Android are what I find hard to resist. The transition animations, which were present on the Donut Sense UI but inexplicably left out since 2.1, are a big one. I know you can find ROMs which include the different animations or use Launcher Pro, but they never operate 100% and stutter/glitch at random moments. Even the way the keyboard bounces onto the screen rather than just "appearing" gives a more polished feel. The clean simple UI, which lacks the clutter and plethora of menu's that Sense incorporates is a dream to navigate, and the overall speed of the OS is unrivalled. I guess for the "average user", Sense is a comfortable, intuitive blanket which makes Android accessible for the masses. In the Windows Mobile days and arguably when Cupcake/Donut were still in use, it was a necessity. Since 2.1 however, I feel it is no longer needed as the Android UI has evolved to a point where it should appeal to anyone.
Regards.
EDIT: Just seen your website Grant! Forgive the app recommendations, I see you are already well versed in alternatives.

Thanks guys!!
Im still not sure! I wasn't the interface i was worried about! I've given the customs a whirl and its been more the reliability and performance that have brought me back to the stock ROM. I've downloaded the CM7 zip! might give it a chance over the weekend before the week starts over! Ill always have my back-up for when HTC decide to give us an official release of 2.3.3.
Maybe ill never go back once i try CM7!
cheers

if your a gameloft gamer, i suggest sticking with a sense 2.2 rom. if your a audiophile, cm7.

So using it now! Love the look and feel except I find that its a big sticky when swiping between homescreens. Any suggestions?
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So using it now! Love the look and feel except I find that its a big sticky when swiping between homescreens. Any suggestions?
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Try a different launcher. Launcher Pro is one of the smoothest.
Regards.

The Regina 3D Launcher is one I've only just heard of - thanks to Pocketnow.com.
For anyone who hasn't tried CyanogenMod 7 - there are some screenshots here.
I've only tried 3 Roms so far on Android. It would be nice to have an ongoing poll based on member's records or vote or something to see which ones are the most popular.

Grant Barker said:
For anyone who hasn't tried CyanogenMod 7 - there are some screenshots here.
I've only tried 3 Roms so far on Android. It would be nice to have an ongoing poll based on member's records or vote or something to see which ones are the most popular.
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One thing I found missing is the ability to hide certain albums within the gallery. A nice feature when you've lots of crap on you SD card! Also having the GPS issue that seems pretty widespread.
Other than that, battery life = more awesome than Stock!