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[Poll] Froyo or Sense?

All the hype surrounding Froyo got me thinking - chances are, when a Froyo ROM leaks, someone will quickly port it to the Desire but that does mean that sense isn't going to be a part of it. I'm not sure how long that'll take, most likely HTC will take their time porting it and I'm not sure how feasible it'll be for someone to port it themselves, so when it boils down to it, us Desire Owners may be faced with a choice - Froyo or Sense?
Which will you be going for?

its a tough one for me, been trying to use helix and freedhome to get the nexus feel and yes i do like the nexus desktop more, however all the sense handy stuff is just too important for me to be thrown away, so i think i will stick to it until htc releases an update with sense

It's definitely a tough choice for me. I think I can get used to not having Sense's home screen, but as I'm new to Android, I'm nervous about ditching sense entirely in case there's some amazing background feature that I use all the time without realising it lol

I reckon we'll see an update from HTC sooner than people think.
But having said that, if it takes longer than a couple of weeks I'll be ditching the stock software...

If Froyo gives me Apps2SD I will move straight away regardless of my preference for the Sense UI

I love HTC Sense but Flash support and speed improvements are more important for me
I hope HTC will be fast this time

Can't remember the source, but apparently someone from HTC stated that Sense 2.2 would be out in a month at most due to how similar 2.1 and 2.2 are and because of the non-existent hardware issues as opposed to Hero and weaker 1.6 phones. If it takes longer than that and/or if someone comes up with an easier root method for Desire (it's probably a lot easier than it looks but I can't be bothered with live cd's as of yet) I'm definitely switching to Android 2.2 until HTC hurries up.
EDIT: Just remembered - Seeing how Droid Incredible was just released and HTC Evo 4G is coming out in over a month, there's no way that HTC will settle for their flagship US superphone to recieve just 2.1. Expect 2.2 released unusually quickly.

You don't NEED a live CD to root the desire, I did mine entirely from within Windows 7 64bit.

Hmmm, awesome. Will look into it at some point.

Yeah the only thing to keep in mind with Win7 (x64, at least) is that the .bat files supplied with Paul's r4 hack don't anticipate Win7 taking a few seconds longer to recognise the device. By simply having a delay between some of the commands, it worked perfectly for me.

tuatha said:
I reckon we'll see an update from HTC sooner than people think.
But having said that, if it takes longer than a couple of weeks I'll be ditching the stock software...
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This ^ but I'll give them a month.

I think (hope) that since the Desire is mostly a Nexus One inside the update will be pretty swift...
...Unless HTC decide to throw in some improvements to the Sense layer, or must do some changes to the core of Sense required by the new OS...
I'm not sure. I think I will give them a month after the first custom ROMs become available.

I want 2.2 with HTC sense. Can't we have it all?

I've only ever used a Desire, so I have no idea what the difference is between a regular Android OS and a Sense one. In addition to those two options there's also what Orange UK has done to my phone. Stupid things, by all accounts - removing Google Talk but leaving the service running; installing apps I can't remove and which take up valuable space (and which I could download for myself if I wanted them); breaking the browser so when I zoom in/out it doesn't reformat the text, etc etc. And because Orange and HTC are going to want to pollute my phone with all their crap it means I'm likely going to see 2.2 released in 4 days, but be unable to use it until July or whenever HTC/Orange have finished defiling it.

I think Froyo will be coming to the HTC Desire pretty fast. And the reason is the full flash support.
HTC promised that we would get full flash soon after we bought our desire's.
Anyway, if I had to choose between what we have now (2.1 and sense) or 2.2 stock.. I think I would stick with sense. We do not know what 2.2 will bring yet, so I could change my mind.
I am just assuming that HTC will bring froyo fast and we will get the best out of both worlds.

Does anybody know of a list of programs/changes that Sense brings to Android? My Desire is my first Android phone and I have no idea what exactly is part of Android and what's been added by HTC Sense. I understand that programs like Friendstream were added by HTC, but what about the widgets or the multiple screens?

guys I have used a 2.1 Android phone without Sense. I found it very plain compared to sense. The most obvious difference was the widget list is only a few items compared to the widget list on sense which is quite big. The widgets on sense are prettier too, calender, clock etc. There is 5 screens versus 7 available. The helicopter view is gone on normal android. the browser doesn't reflow. I think android is awesome, but its more a framework, a scaffolding, rather than an entire user experience. I guess that suits some people more than others, but I am totally sold on sense. love it. And the nexus one people I have showed my phone to really liked it too.
just found this guys post on google forums
"I don't want the whole Sense UI running, just the HTC (Desire) stock widgets. As people have managed to get the HTC keyboard running on the Nexus One, so I think it should be possible to get the HTC widgets running in a similar fashion. The bundled widgets in the Nexus One, especially the clock widget are too plain, and I've been unable to find any widgets in the Android Market which even get close to the HTC bundled widgets in terms of aesthetic appeal."

Since Froyo+Sense will come eventually, I don't see why bother to reinstall and reconfigure all applications and settings for Froyo, and then do that all over again few weeks later when Sense version comes.
And it is always wise to wait few weeks after release to see if there is any problems with new version.
But then again, it there are no guys which install on first day, who would give such informations?

Android widgets: analog clock, calender, music, picture frame, power control, search, youtube, facebook.
HTC widgets that come with Sense UI(including all of the above default android ones): Bookmarks, Calender(HTC one), clock(HTC one), footprints, friendstream, mail, messages, music (HTC one), news reader, people, photo album, photo frame, search, stocks, sync all, twitter, weather.

vlasac.. I totally agree. I think I'll just wait for 2.2 sense. I just hope it comes within 8 weeks of the android release of 2.2. Hope so.

[Q] Pros and Cons? Non-sense vs. sense roms

Hi all!
Basically....iv used mainly sense roms...tried a few and im with leedroid at the moment...seems very stable and quick and i like the htc goodies....mainly the htc phone, messaging, music and gallery.
Iv also tried CyanogenMod but i didnt get on with it without the sense goodies.
Is there good alternatives for the htc stuff? or did i not give non-sense android a chance? I'm thinking of doing a full wipe and going to opendesire.
What are the advantages in your opinions between sense and non-sense roms???
Advice much appreciated!

djs_90 said:
Hi all!
Basically....iv used mainly sense roms...tried a few and im with leedroid at the moment...seems very stable and quick and i like the htc goodies....mainly the htc phone, messaging, music and gallery.
Iv also tried CyanogenMod but i didnt get on with it without the sense goodies.
Is there good alternatives for the htc stuff? or did i not give non-sense android a chance? I'm thinking of doing a full wipe and going to opendesire.
What are the advantages in your opinions between sense and non-sense roms???
Advice much appreciated!
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Guess you got your Desire because of Sense, or you could buy a N1
I like HTC stuff, though a UI revamp is likely planned for Gingerbread, so you still shouldn't drop stock Android off yet.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

For me the biggest disadvantage to non-sense roms is the lack of a decent T9 dialler (where you press the number buttons to substitute for letters and it filters your contacts). There is the Dialler One app available but it's nowhere near as good as the Sense one.
If the Sense dialler could be put into a vanilla rom then I would probably be happy.
Using Defrost at the moment.

mshaw03 said:
For me the biggest disadvantage to non-sense roms is the lack of a decent T9 dialler (where you press the number buttons to substitute for letters and it filters your contacts). There is the Dialler One app available but it's nowhere near as good as the Sense one.
If the Sense dialler could be put into a vanilla rom then I would probably be happy.
Using Defrost at the moment.
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Yeh i agree...i use that feature all the time!

K900 said:
Guess you got your Desire because of Sense, or you could buy a N1
I like HTC stuff, though a UI revamp is likely planned for Gingerbread, so you still shouldn't drop stock Android off yet.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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Yeh that is true i surpose

mshaw03 said:
For me the biggest disadvantage to non-sense roms is the lack of a decent T9 dialler (where you press the number buttons to substitute for letters and it filters your contacts). There is the Dialler One app available but it's nowhere near as good as the Sense one.
If the Sense dialler could be put into a vanilla rom then I would probably be happy.
Using Defrost at the moment.
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How is defrost??
compared to cm and opendesire?

djs_90 said:
Yeh that is true i surpose
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Though CM6 with Fancy Widget- OnOff widgets and ³ player worked fine for me. I still missed the dialer, though. If you only want some stock-ish feeling, go install ADW.Launcher
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

With LeeDrOid sense rom i never used the htc clock and used switchwidget pro with launcher pro...so homescreen wise im not bothered by....its just the dialer, gallery and music mainly.
Also any facebook contact sync apps that are good for contact pictures?

djs_90 said:
With LeeDrOid sense rom i never used the htc clock and used switchwidget pro with launcher pro...so homescreen wise im not bothered by....its just the dialer, gallery and music mainly.
Also any facebook contact sync apps that are good for contact pictures?
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Facebook contact sync is built in to FroYo... I think, if it isn't then it is when you download the Facebook official app.

I havnt tried the facebook app since some updates, but before it didnt work too well

Sense rom = More widgets(htc widgets) , pinchout to select home screens , good dialer.
Non sense rom = More free ram , no htc widgets , no htc sync.
But both of them good with Desire,because Desire is superb

kubilay.demir said:
Sense rom = More widgets(htc widgets) , pinchout to select home screens , good dialer.
Non sense rom = More free ram , no htc widgets , no htc sync.
But both of them good with Desire,because Desire is superb
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Haha i agree with that
how about battery life with the both?

djs_90 said:
Haha i agree with that
how about battery life with the both?
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Both are good with battery life.But for my option non sense is a little better.

Like Mshaw03 HTC dialer and selecting text Copy-past on browser. It's really great on sense. But I prefer the froyo lockscreen, the gray status bar other way I prefer the froyo look and feel.
I'm on OpenDesire 4.0.4
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Graphics performance is better with non-Sense ROMs because of newer kernel...
just..try it) play Asphalt 5 on Sense ROM then on Non-Sense ROM like OpenDesire...
WITHOUT OC and smth

I love sense too much for it's keyboard, clock and alarm
And HTC sync

Sense roms have better UI, useful apps, widgets and implements but they work slower (according to Quadrant scores)
Non-sense roms work faster(again, according to Quadrant scores), have a little extended battery life. But they have some important lacks. Gallery 3D works slow imo and there is no alternative. They have very basic UI(Google have to do something about that). There is no copy/paste like HTC's. bla bla..
I love both of them but non-sen roms need some time imo.

I just tried opendesire then defrost....defrost has the cm options which i prefer over opendesire. And it feels so much quicker than sense roms.
Does anyone know if n1 cm themes would work with cm rom for desire...hense then work for defrost since it is cm basically???

I use t-mod, an Australian variant of Leedroid. I really dig it, buy I would get rid of Sense in an instant as it does little but slow down Froyo. The only advantages for me are the Data on/off widget, and the fact that it doesn't have the oj and headphone jack death bug. I love the horizontal caller id slider - the Sense up/down one kept answering or declining in my pocket until I got widget locker, which is a great workaround but you have to slide open widget locket before you get to the caller id screen. As soon as the oj death issue is fixed I will change over, no typing app is accurate enough to do without it imho, and none even have forward delete to make it even slightly tolerable.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Oh, to elaborate, I tried Opendesire, but as I understand it, all non- sense roms have the oj death bug.

[Q] What do you prefer Sense or None Sense?

Just wondering what people's opinions are with regards to their selected ROMS - Please Vote and state why

Sense because the user interface is so much better than non sense roms in my personal opinion. It seems to give a much better look and feel to the usage of the phone.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Couldn't Vote.
Usability or Beauty.
Sense has things like teh beauty, the camera app, Rosie (which i never use), friend-stream, all of which are pretty great, and amazing usability.
while Android has the openness, the speed and stability, and allows you to do more things, but things can get ugly, like the borders of contact pictures, the camera app, and OJ death while it was an issue.
I find myself switching from OD to AuraxTSense and back about 3 times daily, because the camera can't take the pictures as sharp as I like, or because the sense is very bloaty and takes up half the screen on things like messages (reasons for today, tomorrow i think it's the theming for OD vs SYSRW in AuraxTSense)
The pros and cons of each are what is going to kill me. Can't wait for the new sense, and have realised I'm on a 16month plan so no instant Desire HD for me :'(

Which?
Hi
For me it's with Sense. The integration into Android is getting better since the early Windows Mobile days.
As long as Sense + the phone's operating system doesn't end up becoming so bloated that it brings about lag and problems (in an underpowered phone) then it will continue to be useful - in my eyes.
Cheers
Aussie

Non sense makes sense for me

i began with the nexus one using cyanogen and it was VERY fast. Sense however, seems to give it that certain polish giving a premium feel. Also, i have yet to see a more fluid flipping between homescreens than sense.

I'm on no sense now because many sense apps I don't use and no sense feels sharper.
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i'm staying with Sense cuz of camera and dialer app. Those 2 are the only reason. if CM got them i would gladly switch to it immediately.
I tried CM and OD and i love them both, cuz the devs and designers are using them a lot. and i want the REVOLution theme on my Sense-Desire!!! and they are on CM only~~

Sense. If I didn't want the Sense UI, why would I have purchased a HTC Desire? I could have gone for a Nexus One or... the Galaxy S

No sense for me cause it takes up extra ram and I don't like the black bubble browser menu and complexity of the UI as well as the lack of 3D effect like the launcher2 has. The simplicity of the AOSP nexus one like ROMS help work flow for me. After the new Desire HD rom is ported and provides better functionality, I may consider swapping

Again why is this in the dev section? And not general?
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Am I the only one using sence because of speed? I love launcherpro, but on every vanilla ROM I have been using, launcherpro has been extremely laggy. Even if all benchmarks tell me the phone is faster, it still feels terribly slow. MoDaCo to me feels so much quicker.
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Sense is good in a sense that it makes the whole android UI more easy to use, more manageable, and makes the whole thing more beautiful. People always tend to put different themes on their phone to make it as their own custom look and feel. So for me I like sense... either that or install launcher and download your own preferred theme right? I guess it all goes down to personal preference.

sense purly because I could not live without HTC Sense widgets
xx

mikecoffee said:
Again why is this in the dev section? And not general?
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Ahem! The rules are, you need to vote and leave a comment please.
And this is in the Desire Q&A Section since it is a question.

Without Sense ... sense is slow
For easy klicking and social networks and so on its fine perhaps ... but i never need it ... so no need for sense. The Clock with weather is fine ... so i use Fency. For Calendar ... Purewidgets ... 3 Widgets replace the hole sense for me so enjoy the speed.

philJ said:
Without Sense ... sense is slow
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I have two Desires which I regularly swap between - one is running CyanogenMod and the other MoDaCo's MCR8 Sense ROM.
I'm sure that in benchmarks CyanogendMod is "faster" but in my experience, in real world usage, there is no difference.
Actually, there is one difference - CyanogenMod is way *slower* when copying files to/from the devices in USB storage mode.
Regards,
Dave

As much as I love Sense UI, I'd rather have it optional, with a possibility to add/remove the components.

MrUsta said:
As much as I love Sense UI, I'd rather have it optional, with a possibility to add/remove the components.
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Ditto. Thus I ditched Sense altogether. I didn't use more than half of the components of sense. most frustrating is that it doesn't completely replace the base process, just runs on top of it consuming resources.

I posted this on the CM thread but i might as well ask you guys.
A question to a sense user switching to CM/Stock rom, how do you live without htc camera and htc phone dialer?
i mean for those that bought their Desire or starting to use their phone with sense without knowing a vanilla UI exist(like me). i just felt somethings missing without the htc camera and dialer. I've flashed OD/CM a couple of times but returning back to Sense cuz of that. Otherwise i would stay on CM, it is such a good rom.
I'm buying a Cybershot Digital camera but thats not so soon so i would like to have a decent camera app before that. i mean, the resolution is not wide as htc camera when taking pictures. and if i wanted a wide one i need to lower the resolution to 4.5mp? or is there any trick to that? cuz everytime i capture a pic, i'll get this right and left bar beside the pic using the 5mp resolution.
as for dialer, dialer one doesnt feel quite right to replace the htc dialer, though i may accept it sooner or later if i got my digital camera after this.
Just wanted an opinion for a Sense starter, not from pure stock rom user cuz you know vanilla UI from the start so you dont know how i feel. but you may post your opinion as well.
last question, can someone give a thought bout the 720p video recording? is it good, or better than sense's 720p?
and does this support A2SD+,i mean in this CM6, cuz CM6 RC2 doesnt have this yet and i'm on OD cuz of this actually. i want A2SD+ cuz i cant live without it...
I'm on Modaco R8 self baked ROM btw.
Thanks!

[ATTN] Nexus 2.3.3 OTA is live

http://twitter.com/#!/googlenexus/status/40221838743179264
It's official!
OTA url. Do not flash this zip. It is for ROM cookers only.
http://android.clients.google.com/p...signed-passion-GRI40-from-FRG83G.81304b2d.zip
UPDATE
I've just noticed that this thread has been moved from the development section. For those who aren't aware of the significance of this update, it is useful to us Desire owners because it will allow us to use stock, AOSP based Gingerbread ROMs with improved stability, graphics performance and battery life. It will also also give ROM makers more straightforward access to camera hardware.

goodbye bootloops!!

Gingerbread (Android 2.3.3) update now rolling out to Nexus S and Nexus One. Be patient, may take a few weeks for OTA to complete.
this is news.
a good news. I can't wait to try it .

Great news,here we,HTC DesirE users can not wait to download via OTA now...

That's some great news, but since I read that HTC (pocketnow.com/android/gingerbread-coming-to-htc-desire-this-spring-or-summer) is waiting for the Desire S to come out first, we Desire users might have to wait quite a while before getting an official update!?
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Yes, that's true... if you have some sort of love affair with HTC Sense!
I've the new Sense (Froyo build) from RCMixHD on my Desire and have to say... it's okay but man is there a lot of HTC crap running on it!
Since most of us are running Cyanogenmod, Oxygen, etc... it's great news for us! We'll have a nice clean ROM in a matter of weeks (if not days). So I don't see how HTC dragging their feet matters at all. And just so you know, another reason they (HTC) might be slow to upgrade is because the new Desire S and Wildfire S models are coming, and they've changed so little on them that I'm sure they want to give users more (artificial) reasons to update. Thank god for our Rom Chefs!

I'm waiting for Sense personally, stock Android is fugly - even with different launchers. Only one remotely good is the MIUI launcher

EddyOS said:
I'm waiting for Sense personally, stock Android is fugly - even with different launchers. Only one remotely good is the MIUI launcher
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I agree, MIUI is great but HTC Sense is beautiful. Stock Android....bleh, it is fast and smooth but ugly. (not quite fugly)

Get in! Looking forward to Oxygen 2.0 final.

seems like we can CM7 RC2 or CM7 final soon!

blud7 said:
I agree, MIUI is great but HTC Sense is beautiful. Stock Android....bleh, it is fast and smooth but ugly. (not quite fugly)
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Stock Android is ugly? Look at my Signature

In my opinion Sense is more beautiful than stock Android, but at least Gingerbread has a black bar instead of the hideous grey bar in 2.2 and also the icons are a bit nicer. Combine 2.3 with LauncherProPlus and a few other tweaks and it looks good. Altough what I really don't understand is why the stock dialer sucks so much. Unable to call a contact by pressing the first few letters of a name... Phones did that already at the turn of the millennium, maybe even before that. (Yes, I have DialerOne)

Really good news for all of us indeed!! Sense and clean Android followers will have our update, and all (our at least most of it) the issues will be fixed!!
Cheers for that!!
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dj-darkside said:
Stock Android is ugly? Look at my Signature
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Ya, but show me ur dialer, ur calendar, ur contacts app, ur settings, ecc? How does these look? Sense look more beautiful, of course aosp is faster and can be customized a lot, but the look of the sense is fantastic

dude the answer for you is miui...

Hopefully it is possible to port the Desire S Android 2.3.x ROM to the old HTC Desire. I think this should work much better then the Desire HD port..

andQlimax said:
Ya, but show me ur dialer, ur calendar, ur contacts app, ur settings, ecc? How does these look? Sense look more beautiful, of course aosp is faster and can be customized a lot, but the look of the sense is fantastic
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Subjective - personally the fat, dark (but not quite black) borders in Sense apps were something I was glad to see the back of.
In fact the aesthetics of Sense were a major motivation in ditching it (I stopped using the Sense launcher within a couple of days, well before rooting).
It's all a matter of taste - but at least we do have options

Large Hadron said:
Subjective - personally the fat, dark (but not quite black) borders in Sense apps were something I was glad to see the back of.
In fact the aesthetics of Sense were a major motivation in ditching it (I stopped using the Sense launcher within a couple of days, well before rooting).
It's all a matter of taste - but at least we do have options
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Is there anything special I need to do if I wish to take advantage of a new ROM which will be based on 2.3.3 stock but still have the chance to take the HTC OTA update for 2.3 when it becomes available??
Thanks
D

chris100575 said:
Get in! Looking forward to Oxygen 2.0 final.
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+1
and i think the classic normal android home is nice, in fact, i moved from oxigen to cm6 just because cm6 has the android home

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Will HTC Sense 4.0 be available for Desire from xda when released?

Main features from Sense 4.0 as follows:
Based on Ice-cream sandwich (long waited android OS)
Better DropBox integration with 50GB online storage (can auto mount as network drive.)
Notifications on lock screen (like iOS 5)
Enhanced email with new Sense
Guest Mode
Beats audio is now standard from HTC now on ...
Video:
Reference:
http://pocketnow.com/android/htc-sense-40-first-impressions

Depends...
The memory footprint for sense keeps on growing and becoming larger with each new version
I suspect ICS + Sense 4.0 will take up a huge amount of memory.
I'm quite sure there will be a way to get it, but your internal memory will be less.
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda premium

I thought they (htc) were suppose to have optimized 3.5 a lot for low-spec phones (i.e. bliss).
I'd guess that unless it comes to the Desire HD / Sensation then it might be a bit unlikely. ICS with sense 3.5 from the sensation doesn't seem to have had a successful port yet.

Lothaen said:
I thought they (htc) were suppose to have optimized 3.5 a lot for low-spec phones (i.e. bliss).
I'd guess that unless it comes to the Desire HD / Sensation then it might be a bit unlikely. ICS with sense 3.5 from the sensation doesn't seem to have had a successful port yet.
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True. That have optimized the newer versions for performance and speed.
However, along the way, they have been adding new apps and widgets which take up space. (fb chat, reader, watch, notes, tasks etc) this means the footprint gets larger.
However, I have read that HTC are aware that their Sense UI has started to become bloated, and they say Sense 4.0 will be a lot different.
Hopefully that's the case.
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i think that no... and if we run one, will be asop...

Of course it's possible, just a matter of time

it'd be easy to reduce the load on sense though by removing some of the bloatware
laputa, stocks for example I always rip out - fb chat, reader, watch can probably easily go too
i still think the BEST way for HTC to go with the likes of bloatware would be to just simply move it to HTC hub as optional downloads/installs rather than forcing crap on users

Lothaen said:
it'd be easy to reduce the load on sense though by removing some of the bloatware
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I agree on this, most of the HTC apps should be optional which could speed up the system. One of the main problem is get the hardware CPU/GPU support from Qualcomm optimize for ICS.

Am I the only one thinking that Sense 4 so far seems to be to cosmetic? Just like 3 was, i think they stepped it up only with 3.5

guesXy said:
Am I the only one thinking that Sense 4 so far seems to be to cosmetic? Just like 3 was, i think they stepped it up only with 3.5
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Well, we haven't really had a in depth look so we can't reall say.
Apparently they have really stepped up their game, and this is the biggest overhaul of the UI to date!
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda premium

Even 3.5 Sense is incredibly slow on Desire. Why should anyone use such slow GUI?
ICS 4.0 AOSP will be better and faster solution.
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olyloh6696 said:
Well, we haven't really had a in depth look so we can't reall say.
Apparently they have really stepped up their game, and this is the biggest overhaul of the UI to date!
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda premium
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Not seeing it yet
I thought Sense 2.1 -> Sense 3.0 was one of the bigger overhauls - but even then most of it was minor (i.e. new lockscreen was fairly major, but 3D widgets and carousel was fairly minor)
I guess Sense 1.x -> 2.0/2.1 was fairly major too as they added HTC Sense and HTC Hub - but again one major feature to a lot of minor tweaks..
3.x to 4.x seems to be about the same, with the major update being.... ? the menu animations?

DilbertZG said:
Even 3.5 Sense is incredibly slow on Desire. Why should anyone use such slow GUI?
ICS 4.0 AOSP will be better and faster solution.
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Well that tells me you not tried all sense 3.5 roms out.
Sab... 15 Runnymede rom is super fast as long you have the sd card for it class 4 and above.
I would even say this rom is faster than miui and that's saying something.
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shankly1985 said:
Well that tells me you not tried all sense 3.5 roms out.
Sab... 15 Runnymede rom is super fast as long you have the sd card for it class 4 and above.
I would even say this rom is faster than miui and that's saying something.
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Runnymede sense 3.5 rom is fast for me too.
Just add a video link (1st post) showing the new sense look.

Tried Runnymede and lots of ROM from XDA. It looks great,but I always felt lag in it.
Then I go back to Sense 2.1+3.0 ROM. A lot faster than Runnymede. And I do no want to use Runnymede again. Class 4 SD used.
Just put 2 Desires on table, one with Runnymede and other with, let's say, Revolution ROM. And then tell me which one works fast and smooth? Also, on which ROM battery will last longer, under same conditions?
Please, be real and objective.
3.5 ROMs are slow on Desire compared to 2.1+3.0. Period.
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DilbertZG said:
Tried Runnymede and lots of ROM from XDA. It looks great,but I always felt lag in it.
Then I go back to Sense 2.1+3.0 ROM. A lot faster than Runnymede. And I do no want to use Runnymede again. Class 4 SD used.
Just put 2 Desires on table, one with Runnymede and other with, let's say, Revolution ROM. And then tell me which one works fast and smooth? Also, on which ROM battery will last longer, under same conditions?
Please, be real and objective.
3.5 ROMs are slow on Desire compared to 2.1+3.0. Period.
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Not for me and I used I would say a lot of roms, this is the best of them all. For me
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I'm not going to hold my breathe on this one but we have hope

Lothaen said:
Not seeing it yet
I thought Sense 2.1 -> Sense 3.0 was one of the bigger overhauls - but even then most of it was minor (i.e. new lockscreen was fairly major, but 3D widgets and carousel was fairly minor)
I guess Sense 1.x -> 2.0/2.1 was fairly major too as they added HTC Sense and HTC Hub - but again one major feature to a lot of minor tweaks..
3.x to 4.x seems to be about the same, with the major update being.... ? the menu animations?
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Seen videos of the new Sense on the One X (if anyone is interested click here)
Seems theres a new Typeface, lockscreen seems the same as before with slightly tweaked functionality, the launcher at the bottom of the screen is changed to look a bit more like things like GoLauncher, LauncherPro etc.
Side swipe through menu with altered modes (like your favourites, recent etc) something I couldn't make out near the top as well, looks like market loader, a delete function (?)
They seem to have also altered the ICS recent apps thing, if I'm honest it looks a bit like Windows Vista/7 window view.
It seems a lot smoother and neater actually, but on the Desire? 3.5 is still clunky compared to Earlier Pure Sense (2.x etc)and Hybrids, so I'm guessing it'll be a long time till its useable, but I would love to see it implemented!
Before someone says anything like 'Yu havenet used 3.5 its awesomez and supa dupa fast' I have used it with a class 6 card, CoolBliss, did not like it, slow and juttery, went back to the Hybrids. My opinion, don't flame.