All the hype surrounding Froyo got me thinking - chances are, when a Froyo ROM leaks, someone will quickly port it to the Desire but that does mean that sense isn't going to be a part of it. I'm not sure how long that'll take, most likely HTC will take their time porting it and I'm not sure how feasible it'll be for someone to port it themselves, so when it boils down to it, us Desire Owners may be faced with a choice - Froyo or Sense?
Which will you be going for?
its a tough one for me, been trying to use helix and freedhome to get the nexus feel and yes i do like the nexus desktop more, however all the sense handy stuff is just too important for me to be thrown away, so i think i will stick to it until htc releases an update with sense
It's definitely a tough choice for me. I think I can get used to not having Sense's home screen, but as I'm new to Android, I'm nervous about ditching sense entirely in case there's some amazing background feature that I use all the time without realising it lol
I reckon we'll see an update from HTC sooner than people think.
But having said that, if it takes longer than a couple of weeks I'll be ditching the stock software...
If Froyo gives me Apps2SD I will move straight away regardless of my preference for the Sense UI
I love HTC Sense but Flash support and speed improvements are more important for me
I hope HTC will be fast this time
Can't remember the source, but apparently someone from HTC stated that Sense 2.2 would be out in a month at most due to how similar 2.1 and 2.2 are and because of the non-existent hardware issues as opposed to Hero and weaker 1.6 phones. If it takes longer than that and/or if someone comes up with an easier root method for Desire (it's probably a lot easier than it looks but I can't be bothered with live cd's as of yet) I'm definitely switching to Android 2.2 until HTC hurries up.
EDIT: Just remembered - Seeing how Droid Incredible was just released and HTC Evo 4G is coming out in over a month, there's no way that HTC will settle for their flagship US superphone to recieve just 2.1. Expect 2.2 released unusually quickly.
You don't NEED a live CD to root the desire, I did mine entirely from within Windows 7 64bit.
Hmmm, awesome. Will look into it at some point.
Yeah the only thing to keep in mind with Win7 (x64, at least) is that the .bat files supplied with Paul's r4 hack don't anticipate Win7 taking a few seconds longer to recognise the device. By simply having a delay between some of the commands, it worked perfectly for me.
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I reckon we'll see an update from HTC sooner than people think.
But having said that, if it takes longer than a couple of weeks I'll be ditching the stock software...
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This ^ but I'll give them a month.
I think (hope) that since the Desire is mostly a Nexus One inside the update will be pretty swift...
...Unless HTC decide to throw in some improvements to the Sense layer, or must do some changes to the core of Sense required by the new OS...
I'm not sure. I think I will give them a month after the first custom ROMs become available.
I want 2.2 with HTC sense. Can't we have it all?
I've only ever used a Desire, so I have no idea what the difference is between a regular Android OS and a Sense one. In addition to those two options there's also what Orange UK has done to my phone. Stupid things, by all accounts - removing Google Talk but leaving the service running; installing apps I can't remove and which take up valuable space (and which I could download for myself if I wanted them); breaking the browser so when I zoom in/out it doesn't reformat the text, etc etc. And because Orange and HTC are going to want to pollute my phone with all their crap it means I'm likely going to see 2.2 released in 4 days, but be unable to use it until July or whenever HTC/Orange have finished defiling it.
I think Froyo will be coming to the HTC Desire pretty fast. And the reason is the full flash support.
HTC promised that we would get full flash soon after we bought our desire's.
Anyway, if I had to choose between what we have now (2.1 and sense) or 2.2 stock.. I think I would stick with sense. We do not know what 2.2 will bring yet, so I could change my mind.
I am just assuming that HTC will bring froyo fast and we will get the best out of both worlds.
Does anybody know of a list of programs/changes that Sense brings to Android? My Desire is my first Android phone and I have no idea what exactly is part of Android and what's been added by HTC Sense. I understand that programs like Friendstream were added by HTC, but what about the widgets or the multiple screens?
guys I have used a 2.1 Android phone without Sense. I found it very plain compared to sense. The most obvious difference was the widget list is only a few items compared to the widget list on sense which is quite big. The widgets on sense are prettier too, calender, clock etc. There is 5 screens versus 7 available. The helicopter view is gone on normal android. the browser doesn't reflow. I think android is awesome, but its more a framework, a scaffolding, rather than an entire user experience. I guess that suits some people more than others, but I am totally sold on sense. love it. And the nexus one people I have showed my phone to really liked it too.
just found this guys post on google forums
"I don't want the whole Sense UI running, just the HTC (Desire) stock widgets. As people have managed to get the HTC keyboard running on the Nexus One, so I think it should be possible to get the HTC widgets running in a similar fashion. The bundled widgets in the Nexus One, especially the clock widget are too plain, and I've been unable to find any widgets in the Android Market which even get close to the HTC bundled widgets in terms of aesthetic appeal."
Since Froyo+Sense will come eventually, I don't see why bother to reinstall and reconfigure all applications and settings for Froyo, and then do that all over again few weeks later when Sense version comes.
And it is always wise to wait few weeks after release to see if there is any problems with new version.
But then again, it there are no guys which install on first day, who would give such informations?
Android widgets: analog clock, calender, music, picture frame, power control, search, youtube, facebook.
HTC widgets that come with Sense UI(including all of the above default android ones): Bookmarks, Calender(HTC one), clock(HTC one), footprints, friendstream, mail, messages, music (HTC one), news reader, people, photo album, photo frame, search, stocks, sync all, twitter, weather.
vlasac.. I totally agree. I think I'll just wait for 2.2 sense. I just hope it comes within 8 weeks of the android release of 2.2. Hope so.
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Hi guys,
I am considering getting a Desire, or possibly wait for the Supersonic to replace my HTC Magic.
Problem is, I'm not a fan of SenseUI, I would much rather run stock Android. I know you can sort of disable Sense, but that only disables the Sense homescreen, and the Sense integration goes much deeper. Plus, I don't want to have to rely on HTC updating their roms with Sense.
However seeing as most people like Sense, I fear there will not be much or any interest with devs to build Sense-less (heh) roms for the Desire.
So I was wondering if anyone could tell me how hard it is to take, for instance a Nexus One rom, and port it to a device like the Desire or Supersonic so I could do it myself? I never did any rom cooking and I have no idea how much work would be involved in it.
Any info would be greatly appreciated
if you see other android models there are versions without the sense too. so i am 100% positive there will be a stock android rom for the desire
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if you see other android models there are versions without the sense too. so i am 100% positive there will be a stock android rom for the desire
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Yeah but most of those phones came without Sense to begin with I don't think there's many people running stock Android on Hero's for example right?
Anyway, I do hope you're right though
Desire and Nexus can run the same roms (apparently as they had the desire rom on the nexus in no time) so you'd be able to just flash a stock rom from the nexus forum.
You can simply turn off the sence UI. Go into applications and stop it! then when you hit home it asks you if you would like to use sence UI or standard home, hit the tick box to remeber selection and choose home. Sence UI disabled!
There is a video on youtube a2Amcaot1Us but I can't post a link!
As I already said, that only disables the SenseUI homescreen, and Sense integration goes deeper than the homescreen. And it also doesn't solve the dependence on HTC in regards to providing OS updates.
I have a Sprint Hero. There are several ROM's that use the Nexus One launcher. These do not have Sense UI on them. However, I would not try what someone posted earlier about taking a ROM from a different phone and putting it on yours. This could brick your phone and you would be screwed.
In time when someone figures out how to Root there will be ROM's that don't have Sense. The phones seem to run faster without it, but I love Sense and would not swicth to a phone that does not have it.
Hello folks,
I just sold my Touch Diamond 2 and moved to a Desire!
I liked sense on the TD2 very much, but I don't feel like sense adds something valuable to Android. I actually think it makes the phone slower. So I switched to LauncherPro which is a step ahead.
But i'm still thinking of moving to Froyo before the official release to get things really smooth. I wonder if i do this; will android still link my contacts with facebook (the picture) or is this really Sense-related? And will i be able to install sensewidgets afterall?
Also, i've been looking at the Froyo-roms here but after reading FAQ's i still remain with one question: does everything work? Because every rom has a bugfix/progress list. Should I wait till official release?
Thanks!
the contact linking to facebook is a sense thing unfortunately.
you will not be able to use the sense widgets but there are a very large variety of replacements out there on the android market, the 'pure series' to name a few (pure messenger, pure calendar etc)
the only problem there was with froyo roms was a non-working camcorder but this has just recently been fixed, everything on froyo roms are now working
the only bug some users have found is an echo when on the phone to someone, this is believed to be caused by the nexus one noise cancelling mic (as the froyo build for the desire is ported from the nexus one), there are however some work arounds and is not even that much of a problem.
hope this helps
I would wait. Thanks what I am doing. There are too many issues with the Custom 2.2 ROMS, the positives just dont out weigh the negatives.
Just my opinion.
Hello all,
I have my Galaxy for almost 2 weeks and the more I use it the more I realize that the Samsung interface is nothing short of idiotic. Today I compared it with an HTC device some colleagues at work and what I thought were just pure Android OS stupidity it turned out to be Samsung's
Just an example: In the dialer application, if I start typing a contact name, I get a match ONLY if I type the first letters -- I get no match in the middle of a word.
Also, when a match is found, I am not presented with all the phone numbers for that contact, only the first one.
That's _really_ bad -- even my old Omnia running WM6.5 can do better than that.
Needless to say same thing worked as expected on the HTC running Froyo.
So, the question is: Is there any custom ROM (ideally 2.2) that doesn't suffer from this stupidity ? Or -- even better -- is HTC Sense (or a similiar, sane interface) ported to the Galaxy ? Or maybe even a vanilla 2.2 GUI ?
Thanks...
do a market search on 'launcherpro'. it's as good if not better than htc sense (with all the built in widgets), at least until the newer version of htc sense from desire hd comes out.
this is not really android rom dev, is it?
As this seems to be a dialer problem for example, check out the alternative ones from the market, one may cover what you miss...
For example dialer one. It's at least way faster than the stock one...
Oh, and +1 to LauncherPro (Plus), unless you use Touchwiz widgets.
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do a market search on 'launcherpro'. it's as good if not better than htc sense (with all the built in widgets), at least until the newer version of htc sense from desire hd comes out.
this is not really android rom dev, is it?
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Thanks for the tip, will look into it.
Well, I'm not so sure it's not rom dev since I'm not sure how much TouchWiz is embedded with ROM, if there are "vanilla" ROMs without TouchWiz or other cooked ROMs with other (better) interfaces, etc. etc.
So you tell me if it's rom dev or if it's not
P.S. And yes, "HTC Sense" was just an example, maybe not the best. Maybe I should have said "a saner interface than TouchWiz"...
the dialer found in froyo rom will be able to search in the middle of the name, instead of just starting.
you can run launcherpro over touchwiz although you probably want to remove the touchwiz widgets as they are not accessible outside of touchwiz. (which means you need to have your rom rooted). But you can't remove touchwiz completely (unless things has changed in the last 1 month) as it's integral component to feature/function beyond shell interface (e.g. you need this if you want to use kies to connect to your galaxy)
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the dialer found in froyo rom will be able to search in the middle of the name, instead of just starting.
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Not sure which Froyo you are talking about, but the test above is on the XXJPH I have installed off this very forum (and seems "ho-hum" in terms of stability on my device).
Anyway, will take a look at LauncherPro -- maybe it will alleviate some of the issues with TouchWiz
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the dialer found in froyo rom will be able to search in the middle of the name, instead of just starting.
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Unfortunately, it isn't. Is there a way to hack it?
Theres already a Bounty for porting HTC Sense/the full ROM to our phones. Search, got around $1000+ between both threads (one over in the other subforums), but we need someone to port it. There is someone who has semi done it, just need him to release it publicly.
if you really want something similar to htc sense then check out this awsome mod from JAguirre1231 here , its the closest thing to sense (at least for now) with azreils sense theme. Or if you want stock android, you can check this which includes stock everything but only 2.1 (no its not a port, it still has touchwiz framework but everything is stock even the phone app) . Hopefully devs are working on cyanogen and once thats out, you will get what you want. until then you can use these
Hope i helped
HTC Sense is consider warez on XDA if it is not on an HTC device. HTC already threatened to sue acouple of developers on the Motorola Droid for porting it.
When I start typing 626 the equivalent for "mam" I get more suggestions.
first is "mama".
I also get a girl with the name "oana" because 626 numbers also equals "oan".
And I get some random guy that it happens to have a number like 07 626 3xxxx
Hi there,
I was just wondering if it is possible to build a rom with htc sense in it. It would be nice if I even could install some of the sense widgets.
Thanks
shyd
you sure you want that?
i think htc sense is pretty ****ty
who knows what are these options in the defy, red point circle for example when you highlight some parts of the text and the magnifier pops up so that you know what you're selecting
i like that,
and the 2 sticks at the end and start of the text youre selecting
are these parts of motoblur or i can get them on other phones?
not sure you'll get anyone to port a Sense ROM to the defy but there are plenty of 'Sense'-like widgets out there. Id recommend Weather and Clock widgets and also LauncherPro (if you get the paid 'plus' version you get something that resembles FriendStream and various other great widgets).
I have a HTC Desire (and therefore Sense) but rarely dip back into the Sense Launcher or widgets these days .....
It's possible but it has legal risk, HTC might indict the developer who transplant HTC Sense to other devices.
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you sure you want that?
i think htc sense is pretty ****ty
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Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
The OP's wish to have Sense is at least as valid as your comments.
Personally speaking, I'd say there's no arguing that Sense is a million times better than Blur.
Unlike Blur which is an unmitigated disaster, it actually makes the phone easier/better to use in a number of ways.
A friend for the Desire yesterday and I was helping her set it up, even things like linking your contacts list to your facebook account are just night and day better than the crap Motorola have dumped on us.
I know it's hardly the most important feature of a phone but in many ways that's my point, even the little extras are just so much better than how Blur handles even the basics.
Now I'm not saying I want Sense as a whole on my phone, I'm much happier with LauncherPro but I wouldn't mind some of it's features, that's for sure.
I like sense rom's and perfer them over the latest and greatest CM Vanillas. I have a G2 and have scored a stable 2800+ with Virtuous Sense Rom, and have run vanilla CM's and don't feel i'm missing anything in performance or options. Sense for me is where its at, blur has a few nice things but as a package it suxs. As for is it possible, I'm sure it is, if HTC's next "high End" device implimented Motorola Boot protection, I gaurentee it would be cracked, its just that the Defy is considered midrange which it is (yet its potential is great) and doesn't get the attention that the flag ship products like the Nexus S get.
mariu$ said:
you sure you want that?
i think htc sense is pretty ****ty
who knows what are these options in the defy, red point circle for example when you highlight some parts of the text and the magnifier pops up so that you know what you're selecting
i like that,
and the 2 sticks at the end and start of the text youre selecting
are these parts of motoblur or i can get them on other phones?
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Thanks guys, I took a look at several LauncherPro Widgets and found some nice ones.
Now scrolling between homescreens is even smoother than in motoblur!
Hi Folks,
May be you know already but here you go:
"HTC Desire owners face long wait for Android 2.3 Gingerbread update"
Read more:
crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/htc-desire-owners-face-long-wait-for-android-23-gingerbread-update-50002752
Edit: I did search forum before post but couldn't find it hence posted. No offence, ignore it if you find it not interesting.
Old news. Do a forum search before posting. Thanks.
Indeed old news. Get a 2.3 custom rom then you don't have to wait
I'm using gingervillian and its fast and stable. Not bad on battery with the right kernel
Imagine 2.3 with SENSE. Wow.
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Imagine 2.3 with SENSE. Wow.
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Yes, Wow
I've had my share of Sense and I'm seriously considering another brand just to avoid Sense (although Moto Blur and Samsung's skin isn't really better)
Please define how sense tired you? I hope that aren't just widgets?
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- ROM takes up valuable internal space
- more RAM usage
- launcher is a joke (3 shortcuts, one of them is to put on shortcuts and widgets? yeah like i do that every 5 minutes)
When you see that the most presented features about newly announced HTC phones are "notification bar power control shortcuts" and "drawer that scrolls per sections", then you know they're just fiddling about. So Sense, please **** off.
I thought they said that they'll have gingerbread out for the desire around Q2 of this year?
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I'm using gingervillian and its fast and stable. Not bad on battery with the right kernel
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do inform me how to do this. would like to have a change.
erklat said:
Please define how sense tired you? I hope that aren't just widgets?
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Sense (in my opinion) is just bloatware. The widgets are a nice extra but the overall graphic make-over is unneeded in the Android revisions currently rolling out.
It may have been needed in 2.1 and 2.2 but 2.3 really doesn't need a new graphic layer.
The social network integration into the contact system is nice but nobody uses it the way HTC intended it to be used (I.e. someone calls you, you check the social network status and have a topic to talk about).
Facebook as a standalone app can also add pictures to your contacts.
I'm terrified about what HTC is going to do to Honeycomb! Imagine them throwing a Sense layer on top and adding that ridiculous pen input.
You don't have to use the pen with the tablet if you don't want (that's how I understand it anyway)
In some instances it would probably be good - i.e. drawing pics in paint or whatever - or for handwriting notes - I find it frustrating on notes on my desire at the moment, where on my Touch HD it was easy with the stylus!
It's nice to have the option anyway...
Would be nice to get the official update asap. I tried the gingervillian rom but it got stuck on the villianrom boot screen
Quit *****ing about Sense and buy an Nexus S! HTC has Sense and I love it! I'm really looking forward to get Gingerbread with Sense, but I really hope they skip the 2.3 and go straight to 2.4 Gingerbread
Agreed! , I have only had the desire for a week now and i love the sense ui. Just wanted to have a look at gingerbread
"Great news for HTC Desire family owners – it has been reported HTC will be releasing the Gingerbread (Android 2.3/2.4) update for the HTC Desire family after the new Desire S goes on sale.
Wow it hasn’t been officially announced by HTC, the information was apparently coerced out of an HTC rep at the Mobile World Congress this week. While it’s no confirmation, HTC has been proven to be pretty reliable with their Android updates and there should be no reason to why it won’t stay that way. The HTC Desire family includes the HTC Desire, HTC Desire HD and HTC Desire Z (hopefully this means the G2 as well).
With no other phones announced to have official Gingerbread updates and the Nexus S remains the only phone to have Gingerbread, it’s about time some phones started getting Android 2.3/2.4. At least Desire users aren’t still stuck on 2.1."
Not what Ubergizmo is saying. Keep the faith, people - HTC have been good to us.
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Sense (in my opinion) is just bloatware.
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I use Sense roms only. No one forces you to use sense launcher if you don't like it, every sense rom has default Android launcher too. I tried a few aosp roms until I found out that sense doesn't have to be used, but you still get the rest of the great stuff like name prediction when making a call, or a slight vibrate when call connected for example. Only thing that sucks is that we are stuck with 2.6.32 kernels at this moment.
About memory consumption they are equal or sense even more efficient, and the same goes for speed. You don't get aosp related bugs either.
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Basically not 1 plus over AOSP (T9 dialing apps on market, vibrate when connected is in CM), EXCEPT you get more internal space with using a AOSP ROM. Now extra 200MB+ over a crappy interface ? Anytime.
Is there an ASOP rom that has face detection or touch to focus though? I am a heavy user of the camera and video and so far have been pretty disappointed at the lack of those in the 2.3 roms.
I would say that the email and text widgets are better thought out than the standard 2.3, or market ones.
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Now extra 200MB+ over a crappy interface ? Anytime.
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Heard about a2sd+ scripts? Data2sd?
Internal memory size is more than irrelevant with either of those. And the epickest are those who resort to changing partition tables to get moar internal space. Kudos.
Hope you didn't do that
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