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All the hype surrounding Froyo got me thinking - chances are, when a Froyo ROM leaks, someone will quickly port it to the Desire but that does mean that sense isn't going to be a part of it. I'm not sure how long that'll take, most likely HTC will take their time porting it and I'm not sure how feasible it'll be for someone to port it themselves, so when it boils down to it, us Desire Owners may be faced with a choice - Froyo or Sense?
Which will you be going for?
its a tough one for me, been trying to use helix and freedhome to get the nexus feel and yes i do like the nexus desktop more, however all the sense handy stuff is just too important for me to be thrown away, so i think i will stick to it until htc releases an update with sense
It's definitely a tough choice for me. I think I can get used to not having Sense's home screen, but as I'm new to Android, I'm nervous about ditching sense entirely in case there's some amazing background feature that I use all the time without realising it lol
I reckon we'll see an update from HTC sooner than people think.
But having said that, if it takes longer than a couple of weeks I'll be ditching the stock software...
If Froyo gives me Apps2SD I will move straight away regardless of my preference for the Sense UI
I love HTC Sense but Flash support and speed improvements are more important for me
I hope HTC will be fast this time
Can't remember the source, but apparently someone from HTC stated that Sense 2.2 would be out in a month at most due to how similar 2.1 and 2.2 are and because of the non-existent hardware issues as opposed to Hero and weaker 1.6 phones. If it takes longer than that and/or if someone comes up with an easier root method for Desire (it's probably a lot easier than it looks but I can't be bothered with live cd's as of yet) I'm definitely switching to Android 2.2 until HTC hurries up.
EDIT: Just remembered - Seeing how Droid Incredible was just released and HTC Evo 4G is coming out in over a month, there's no way that HTC will settle for their flagship US superphone to recieve just 2.1. Expect 2.2 released unusually quickly.
You don't NEED a live CD to root the desire, I did mine entirely from within Windows 7 64bit.
Hmmm, awesome. Will look into it at some point.
Yeah the only thing to keep in mind with Win7 (x64, at least) is that the .bat files supplied with Paul's r4 hack don't anticipate Win7 taking a few seconds longer to recognise the device. By simply having a delay between some of the commands, it worked perfectly for me.
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I reckon we'll see an update from HTC sooner than people think.
But having said that, if it takes longer than a couple of weeks I'll be ditching the stock software...
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This ^ but I'll give them a month.
I think (hope) that since the Desire is mostly a Nexus One inside the update will be pretty swift...
...Unless HTC decide to throw in some improvements to the Sense layer, or must do some changes to the core of Sense required by the new OS...
I'm not sure. I think I will give them a month after the first custom ROMs become available.
I want 2.2 with HTC sense. Can't we have it all?
I've only ever used a Desire, so I have no idea what the difference is between a regular Android OS and a Sense one. In addition to those two options there's also what Orange UK has done to my phone. Stupid things, by all accounts - removing Google Talk but leaving the service running; installing apps I can't remove and which take up valuable space (and which I could download for myself if I wanted them); breaking the browser so when I zoom in/out it doesn't reformat the text, etc etc. And because Orange and HTC are going to want to pollute my phone with all their crap it means I'm likely going to see 2.2 released in 4 days, but be unable to use it until July or whenever HTC/Orange have finished defiling it.
I think Froyo will be coming to the HTC Desire pretty fast. And the reason is the full flash support.
HTC promised that we would get full flash soon after we bought our desire's.
Anyway, if I had to choose between what we have now (2.1 and sense) or 2.2 stock.. I think I would stick with sense. We do not know what 2.2 will bring yet, so I could change my mind.
I am just assuming that HTC will bring froyo fast and we will get the best out of both worlds.
Does anybody know of a list of programs/changes that Sense brings to Android? My Desire is my first Android phone and I have no idea what exactly is part of Android and what's been added by HTC Sense. I understand that programs like Friendstream were added by HTC, but what about the widgets or the multiple screens?
guys I have used a 2.1 Android phone without Sense. I found it very plain compared to sense. The most obvious difference was the widget list is only a few items compared to the widget list on sense which is quite big. The widgets on sense are prettier too, calender, clock etc. There is 5 screens versus 7 available. The helicopter view is gone on normal android. the browser doesn't reflow. I think android is awesome, but its more a framework, a scaffolding, rather than an entire user experience. I guess that suits some people more than others, but I am totally sold on sense. love it. And the nexus one people I have showed my phone to really liked it too.
just found this guys post on google forums
"I don't want the whole Sense UI running, just the HTC (Desire) stock widgets. As people have managed to get the HTC keyboard running on the Nexus One, so I think it should be possible to get the HTC widgets running in a similar fashion. The bundled widgets in the Nexus One, especially the clock widget are too plain, and I've been unable to find any widgets in the Android Market which even get close to the HTC bundled widgets in terms of aesthetic appeal."
Since Froyo+Sense will come eventually, I don't see why bother to reinstall and reconfigure all applications and settings for Froyo, and then do that all over again few weeks later when Sense version comes.
And it is always wise to wait few weeks after release to see if there is any problems with new version.
But then again, it there are no guys which install on first day, who would give such informations?
Android widgets: analog clock, calender, music, picture frame, power control, search, youtube, facebook.
HTC widgets that come with Sense UI(including all of the above default android ones): Bookmarks, Calender(HTC one), clock(HTC one), footprints, friendstream, mail, messages, music (HTC one), news reader, people, photo album, photo frame, search, stocks, sync all, twitter, weather.
vlasac.. I totally agree. I think I'll just wait for 2.2 sense. I just hope it comes within 8 weeks of the android release of 2.2. Hope so.
I really like the vanilla version of Android with nothing skinned or running on top like Sense UI or TouchWiz. Just wanted to get a sense of what prospective buyers think about it.
Edit: This might give the devs an idea of what people want on their phones, if given the choice.
From what I've seen of TouchWiz, am looking forward to it. Am kinda bored of Sense now.
I actually like the customizable horizontal app list, even if its a copy of the iphone's menu.
The only thing I dislike about it is that you get the little square of colored background behind each application, instead of just black, it just feels wrong. Rest of the touchwiz looks ok.
Didn't try stock android yet (using HTC sense on Desire atm), but I presume you can use an alternative launcher to get it working?
I really like stock, but Sense UI is even nicer sometimes but not always, I prefer the white in the Stock with the orange.
However, the dialer and contacts are nicest on Sense UI, especially the dialer, and also the Keyboard.
I really like what I have seen from TouchWiz so far and I am really looking forward to it, I like the additions they added and I prefer a lot more a horizontal menu over vertical where I get lost quickly in the Sense UI (on my magic).
TouchWiz looks well optimized, however I read that many Singaporeans are experiencing a bit of slow launch when launching applications but other than that it's very smooth they say. I even noticed in the videos it takes time to quit or open some applications. But it can be fixed.
I must say i'm a bit shocked at the results so far, however few there are. In my experience with TouchWiz I've only had headaches. Again that is my personal experience.
When this phone goes out to the masses I'm sure there will be development to suit all our tastes. Looks like I'll be rooting for the CyanMod port lol.
Lenovo Lephone looks nice too >_>
hehe yeah not many have that.
Either way, are you going to sell N1 or keep it when you get the sammy?
I never tried Touchwiz btw, many said that before it was bad but in this new galaxy S it's much better and smoother... but arrg people are having problems in Singapore with cameras not launching lol "memory error" problems.. wow.. very sad..
Maybe that's the beginning of headaches?? such a powerful phone with a very nice camera, I hope it comes out optimized since they have until the 17th of June.
Not to mention,users are having major problems in syncing the phone to pc and especially on macs. That is one major issues considering that you have some 13gb of storage on the phone.
If the Galaxy S comes to Tmobile I will try it out for a bit since I'm up for an upgrade, so I'll be selling either one when I find which i'll be happier with. hopefully it comes out to 200 on contract.
As a side note, the Motorola Extreme is looking very nice, just wish it wasn't on Verizon, expensive plans.
Its About the content :
Widgets + Icons = Sense UI
Gallery + Menu + Launcher = Vanilla Android
Music Player + Social = Sony's X10 UI
TouchWiz have nothing expect the gesture (if you slide a contact right you'll make a call , left to message) , i hope i get the option to turn it off like Sense
Touchwiz looks like a hybrid between iphone UI and android UI and what i liked about it is that it did toke the most notable advantages of both
and if you look closely at the UI you'll see that it's not just UI be it is packed media player and photo Gallary so it's a whole package
I've ordered this phone because the TouchWiz adjustments look minimal.
The only huge difference i can see is the program launcher and the docked bar.
Obviously other things are going to be slightly different but things that are already good in Android are still there, for example the Picture gallery is pure Nexus One.
As i see it TouchWiz just wanted to be Android from the start, a widget based homescreen interface, and because of that the Galaxy S just becomes Android with some improvements. And if thats not true then a flagship phone is bound to get some developers working so there are going to be options anyway!
In terms of the feature tweaks of TouchWiz (stuff like horizontal app launcher scroll, slide left/right on contacts to call/text, etc) I pretty much like everything Samsung's added/changed with TouchWiz. But in terms of pure aesthetics and graphical style, it is simply not nearly as polished as HTC's Sense or Vanilla Android.
hmm i'm considering getting this for as my first android phone but the touchwiz interface doesn't really appeal to me. I'd rather use the Sense and its widgets. Tried a htc desire and thought it was really nice
I do not appreciate TouchWiz,it looks uncomfortable and not very convenient ！！！ that is my personal experience.A plain android is OK ！and I can use the launcher application to change the UI whenever I like！！but if anyone who can develop a UI which is more beautiful，I will have a try！！！
Can't you install something like launcher pro to have an original like launcher?
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Can't you install something like launcher pro to have an original like launcher?
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Yes we can (according to users who have the phone and have tried to..)
Touchwizz
touchwizz with ics look for sgs2 port xxlph for galaxy s
It's funny how in the forums you always see people complaining about TW and yet the poll shows that it is favoured over sense.
Anyway, comparing the ICS roms and stock Samsung roms I've used, I do like many aspects of touchwiz, like the notifications controls and the custamizable app drawer.
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I really like the vanilla version of Android with nothing skinned or running on top like Sense UI or TouchWiz. Just wanted to get a sense of what prospective buyers think about it.
Edit: This might give the devs an idea of what people want on their phones, if given the choice.
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sony erricsson interface
Just wondering what people's opinions are with regards to their selected ROMS - Please Vote and state why
Sense because the user interface is so much better than non sense roms in my personal opinion. It seems to give a much better look and feel to the usage of the phone.
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Couldn't Vote.
Usability or Beauty.
Sense has things like teh beauty, the camera app, Rosie (which i never use), friend-stream, all of which are pretty great, and amazing usability.
while Android has the openness, the speed and stability, and allows you to do more things, but things can get ugly, like the borders of contact pictures, the camera app, and OJ death while it was an issue.
I find myself switching from OD to AuraxTSense and back about 3 times daily, because the camera can't take the pictures as sharp as I like, or because the sense is very bloaty and takes up half the screen on things like messages (reasons for today, tomorrow i think it's the theming for OD vs SYSRW in AuraxTSense)
The pros and cons of each are what is going to kill me. Can't wait for the new sense, and have realised I'm on a 16month plan so no instant Desire HD for me :'(
Which?
Hi
For me it's with Sense. The integration into Android is getting better since the early Windows Mobile days.
As long as Sense + the phone's operating system doesn't end up becoming so bloated that it brings about lag and problems (in an underpowered phone) then it will continue to be useful - in my eyes.
Cheers
Aussie
Non sense makes sense for me
i began with the nexus one using cyanogen and it was VERY fast. Sense however, seems to give it that certain polish giving a premium feel. Also, i have yet to see a more fluid flipping between homescreens than sense.
I'm on no sense now because many sense apps I don't use and no sense feels sharper.
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i'm staying with Sense cuz of camera and dialer app. Those 2 are the only reason. if CM got them i would gladly switch to it immediately.
I tried CM and OD and i love them both, cuz the devs and designers are using them a lot. and i want the REVOLution theme on my Sense-Desire!!! and they are on CM only~~
Sense. If I didn't want the Sense UI, why would I have purchased a HTC Desire? I could have gone for a Nexus One or... the Galaxy S
No sense for me cause it takes up extra ram and I don't like the black bubble browser menu and complexity of the UI as well as the lack of 3D effect like the launcher2 has. The simplicity of the AOSP nexus one like ROMS help work flow for me. After the new Desire HD rom is ported and provides better functionality, I may consider swapping
Again why is this in the dev section? And not general?
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Am I the only one using sence because of speed? I love launcherpro, but on every vanilla ROM I have been using, launcherpro has been extremely laggy. Even if all benchmarks tell me the phone is faster, it still feels terribly slow. MoDaCo to me feels so much quicker.
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Sense is good in a sense that it makes the whole android UI more easy to use, more manageable, and makes the whole thing more beautiful. People always tend to put different themes on their phone to make it as their own custom look and feel. So for me I like sense... either that or install launcher and download your own preferred theme right? I guess it all goes down to personal preference.
sense purly because I could not live without HTC Sense widgets
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Again why is this in the dev section? And not general?
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Ahem! The rules are, you need to vote and leave a comment please.
And this is in the Desire Q&A Section since it is a question.
Without Sense ... sense is slow
For easy klicking and social networks and so on its fine perhaps ... but i never need it ... so no need for sense. The Clock with weather is fine ... so i use Fency. For Calendar ... Purewidgets ... 3 Widgets replace the hole sense for me so enjoy the speed.
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Without Sense ... sense is slow
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I have two Desires which I regularly swap between - one is running CyanogenMod and the other MoDaCo's MCR8 Sense ROM.
I'm sure that in benchmarks CyanogendMod is "faster" but in my experience, in real world usage, there is no difference.
Actually, there is one difference - CyanogenMod is way *slower* when copying files to/from the devices in USB storage mode.
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Dave
As much as I love Sense UI, I'd rather have it optional, with a possibility to add/remove the components.
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As much as I love Sense UI, I'd rather have it optional, with a possibility to add/remove the components.
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Ditto. Thus I ditched Sense altogether. I didn't use more than half of the components of sense. most frustrating is that it doesn't completely replace the base process, just runs on top of it consuming resources.
I posted this on the CM thread but i might as well ask you guys.
A question to a sense user switching to CM/Stock rom, how do you live without htc camera and htc phone dialer?
i mean for those that bought their Desire or starting to use their phone with sense without knowing a vanilla UI exist(like me). i just felt somethings missing without the htc camera and dialer. I've flashed OD/CM a couple of times but returning back to Sense cuz of that. Otherwise i would stay on CM, it is such a good rom.
I'm buying a Cybershot Digital camera but thats not so soon so i would like to have a decent camera app before that. i mean, the resolution is not wide as htc camera when taking pictures. and if i wanted a wide one i need to lower the resolution to 4.5mp? or is there any trick to that? cuz everytime i capture a pic, i'll get this right and left bar beside the pic using the 5mp resolution.
as for dialer, dialer one doesnt feel quite right to replace the htc dialer, though i may accept it sooner or later if i got my digital camera after this.
Just wanted an opinion for a Sense starter, not from pure stock rom user cuz you know vanilla UI from the start so you dont know how i feel. but you may post your opinion as well.
last question, can someone give a thought bout the 720p video recording? is it good, or better than sense's 720p?
and does this support A2SD+,i mean in this CM6, cuz CM6 RC2 doesnt have this yet and i'm on OD cuz of this actually. i want A2SD+ cuz i cant live without it...
I'm on Modaco R8 self baked ROM btw.
Thanks!
As a developer myself, just no in the tech field, I find it helpful to know what other want so that I can produce the best. I'm sure that most of you do this because it's something that YOU personally want and or like. I deeply appreciate the work that has gone into such wonderful ROM's and I can't wait to see more.
As for me, I've tried out RR, CM, SR, Frank, Jager, ASOP, and a few other odds and ends.
It seems to me there should be a blend. A blend between Sense and well....nonsense.
Currently, I'm on the Ultimate ASOP. This ROM has been amazing because of the ability to customize. Like every ROM, there are quirks or just small things that bother me, but it's SOOOO close to greatness, IMHO. I like a lot about a lot of ROMS but if they're lacking Sense then I miss that. If they have Sense, I miss the customizing of the Non Sense. My question is, can the two be made to be CommonSense?
What I'm talking about is a ROM that combines a little bit of the HTC Sense side with the applications and setting and customization of the Non HTC Sense ROMs. For instance, the email application in the Driod root IMHO opinion is much better then the Sense one. You can easily check multiple emails and the default background is back. What if you could have Sense, but change the lock screen to something different and be able to add different themes easily? There are several instances where the two could be combined to make CommonSense. And, if you have some ideas please share!
I guess i'm just looking for ideas from others that I can take a pitch to a Chef along with a few $$$ to make a ROM that'll do just that. Is there anyone else that thinks the same or I am the only one riding the HellaNoSense boat?
check out IncDoes AOSP. but you should have posted in q/a or general for future reference
This incredible forums is in desperate need for vanailla Roms AND ASOP kernels
DESPERATE NEED
VANILLA ROMS ARE THE BEST performing and give the most memory
we have great phones and we havent taken full advantage imo from what i have seen so far
i prefer a sense based rom with virtually every sense component gutted aside from dialer and contacts (and other key vital stuff). most users use launcher pro, yet most devs seem to focus their [sense] work around modified rosie. Which doesnt seem to make a ton of sense to me. im sure the launcher pro dev would allow the use of his work cooked into roms with his permission right?
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i prefer a sense based rom with virtually every sense component gutted aside from dialer and contacts (and other key vital stuff). most users use launcher pro, yet most devs seem to focus their [sense] work around modified rosie. Which doesnt seem to make a ton of sense to me. im sure the launcher pro dev would allow the use of his work cooked into roms with his permission right?
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actually no. LP isnt open source. thats also whay CM uses ADW rather than LP
How about a JD froyo MASH-UP! That wud b hot! You know, cause a phone that won't boot gets the best battery life
Edit: I LOVED SR vanilla, but it's a little long in the tooth... at least for now. I still have issues with AOSP stability. But I haven't flashed anything new in a month so maybe I'm full of it.
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This incredible forums is in desperate need for vanailla Roms AND ASOP kernels
DESPERATE NEED
VANILLA ROMS ARE THE BEST performing and give the most memory
we have great phones and we havent taken full advantage imo from what i have seen so far
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Yeap. This.
Minimalism.
Bare bones, minimal special effects, no clutter.
Basically a tiling WM or Openbox layout with basic text menus or no menus with touch commands.
Hopefully I'll be able to get into cooking whenever I get my machine in order. I've been wanting to actually contribute to some coding/hacking projects but I've never found anything of interest that would motivate me... until now :3
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... For instance, the email application in the Driod root IMHO opinion is much better then the Sense one. You can easily check multiple emails and the default background is back......
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FYI: the new Sense lets you multi select in the mail widget...Desire HD/Z
I love sense but need a landscape homescreen! I wish rosie could do this because adw and LP drive me nuts! Currently ruining SR. 3.3.3 but will make the switch when I find something that suits my needs...the reason...I frequently use a car dock and I'm on the road for at least2 hours a day
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All I would like is someone to modify the bluetooth stack to support bluetooth keyboards (I have an old iGo keyboard).
I'm still hoping for a webOS port even though that's probably not gonna happen ever
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I'm still hoping for a webOS port even though that's probably not gonna happen ever
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Want. I just wish android took more looks from webOS. It is so beautiful!
The look & feel of the new Sense UI (The Desire Z ROM specifically), the fastest and most optimized speed possible, working camera w/ 720p video (only thing wrong with Desire Z ROM, imo), lots of free memory, clear of all the bloatware apps, aaaaaaaaaaaaand.... Ability to quickly change theme settings (transparency, selection colors, etc).
Oh, and great dev support.
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How about a JD froyo MASH-UP! That wud b hot! You know, cause a phone that won't boot gets the best battery life
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Bahahaha!!
DS36 said:
This incredible forums is in desperate need for vanailla Roms AND ASOP kernels
DESPERATE NEED
VANILLA ROMS ARE THE BEST performing and give the most memory
we have great phones and we havent taken full advantage imo from what i have seen so far
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http://www.droidforums.net/forum/lithiummod/89559-lithium-mod-returns-more-devices.html
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My perfect rom would be:
Sense based Vanilla rom
htc keyboard
htc camera
htc gallery
htc contacts
either HTC facebook or contacts syncable with market facebook.
emmc working properly
adw built in
customizations avalable in cyanogen's latest rom
power widget built in to notification pull down.
figure out how to change the answer/silence to tabs
reboot option in power menu
6 signal bars
htc battery icon with %
keep the colored sense settings menu icons.
tab or rotary music controls (hidden when not in use)
thats all i can think of.
Having tried just about every ROM out there (and a couple of them a number of times) I think the problem I run into is there are little things here and there that I like about each.
All of our tastes are different, thus we like different things. Some people like the circle battery mod, some people like the rotary lock screen, etc etc...
What would be really cool is if there were a way to easily choose the specific mods you wanted... kinda like picking out options on a new car.
Ultimately, I think the answer is a dev that is willing to build you a custom ROM to your exact specifications. Of course, this would come with a price tag, but hey, it's exactly what you wanted (and it would be worth it IMO... any takers LOL).
In the meantime, I'm trying to figure out how to get what it is that I want and experiment. It's been fun, frustrating at times, and I still don't have everything I like, but at least we have lots of options to choose from, and I'm learning something new in the process
Is it not possible to build a Rom with a bunch of on off switches that allow you to select sense or no sense , or give you the option for circle battery vs stock ....
IMO.... this would be the ULTIMATE Rom .....
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@ The OP: Maybe you should initiate a poll.
There are some things from Sense that I find myself missing. I am hoping that the masses can assist in getting my tweaking right. The reason I am really excited about it is the speed. It seems leaps and bounds faster than any Sense rom I have run.
I am currently running version v.0.12.11.1.
City ID: I assume this is what gives me the City and State info when a call comes through.
LauncherPro. I can't deal with the way MIUI does the home screens, and Launcher Pro seems to fit the bill for the most part.
Weather: I am totally in love with the weather widget in the clock on sense, how it gives you the weather effects over your home screen. Is there a way to get this without the clock? I am going for a clean home screen but would like that weather.
Facebook contacts:Whenever I tell facebook to connect with my contacts, and only with ones already in my phone book, it still adds people. I want it to import only with contacts already in my list. Is there a way to get this to work right?
The other MIUI features I guess are not a huge deal to me. The lock screen is pretty awesome, it comes with the FM radio app for my incredible which is great. I really hate not having the app drawer. Overall the speed is what got me.
Is there a fast sense rom out there I should use instead? I assume I could mod things like the dialer and lock screen if I wanted right?
Any opinions and suggestions are appreciated and welcomed. I just can't sit still on a rom!
Redemption 2.3 is a VERY nice Sense ROM
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Redemption 2.3 is a VERY nice Sense ROM
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I have used it before, but it just seems sluggish compared to something like MIUI. Could this be true?
Forgive the noobish questions, but are there different kernels you can run with a rom for more speed?
I believe MIUI is somewhat of an AOSP based ROM (someone correct me if I'm wrong) and Sense based ROMs will always feel slightly slower than those.
HeyItsLou has a few kernels that he made that work well with his ROMs try 'em out